Should you really consider yourself a nationalist if you haven't documented your lineage or learned about your ancestors?
What the fuck nationalism has to do with ancestors?
>>540859297What do you think a nation is?
>>540859339I'll explain to you. Pay attention: a nation is like an organ in a body, and the world is the body.
>>540859419And what would be analagous to the cells of an organ? A nation is made of a people with a shared heritage and culture.
>>540859176Fixation on one's heritage is retarded. Once you go back a few generations you're talking about people who have basically nothing to do with you. Nationalism should focus on the qualities of the system your people have developed and the broad characteristics of your people which have allowed for that system's development. Your own, personal, family tree is irrelevant to the discussion.
>>540859419Here, allow me.Words mean things. When your metaphor is a dumpster fire, you are using words wrong.The map is not the territory.
>>540859676>huh, why does this thing keep looping back on itself interspersed with random niggers...
>>540859551You are the cell.Many nations have various cultures and heritages.
>>540859793>many nations are notFTFY.
>>540859743>metaphorYou have a long way ahead of you. Be ready.
>>540859771I don't think this statement applies to my statement in the way you think it does.
I AM NOT A NATIONALIST AND I DON'T LIKE NATIONALISTS. I AM A JEWISH SUPREMACIST, THE AL QAEDA OF JEWS. I BELIEVE IN RACIAL PRESERVATIONISM.I DO NOT LIKE NATIONALISTS
>>540859176This is 'Murica. Just compare your ass to a sheet of printer paper. That's all the "ancestry" you need here.
>>540859176My great grandfather was born in America, and i am his great grandsonSimple as.
>>540859848I don't think you understand what an insult is.I also don't think you are capable of grasping what my sentence actually meant.
>>540859890My point was your insult is invalid because it does not apply to anything I said.
>>540859676To the contrary, genealogy often leads to learning more about history and fosters understanding about your role and place within it. When you realize that your own ancestors made sacrifices and took part in the events that shaped your nation it will naturally foster a sense of patriotism. One that is grounded in real truth and perspective rather than just slogans and theory. Doing genealogy correctly also teaches you about how to use historical evidence, both primary and secondary, to document facts. You aren't correctly nationalist, or even conservative, without a proper understanding of history.
>>540859973Your point was that you didn't catch on that I called you a fucking jew for the obvious reason that your statement had fuck all to do with reality.Have fun rotting on that tree, bad apple. Most of us fall a short distance.
>>540859853No, that's just ignorant and lazy.
>>540859176Lineage tracing is pure cope. Each generation of men has about 30% chance of getting cucked. Go back far enough and those individual men that you think are your ancestors, are not related to you at all. This is probably why Jews only trace the female line as they can actually guarantee that the children are related to their mothers.
>>540859297>>540859419every memeflag is a jeet
>>540859852okay…go post in /ptg/ then, no one was talking to you. God fucking jews, so much narcism….
>>540859339A nation is a legal entity, not an ethnic group, buddy.
>>540860147*narcissism
>>540860096Allow me to translate, Australia Is Not A Memeflag.There is a reason Jews are matrilineal.
>>540859176Us euros don't need to do that. We already knowKekking at amerimutts rightnow
>>540860096>Each generation of men has about 30% chance of getting cucked.This is perhaps true for you Abos but not for white people. Also, through dna matches I can prove my documentation correct.
>>540860169>I don't know what the dictionary says on this topic and I sure as fuck am not going to learn
>>540860261You know in theory but not always in reality. There has been migration internally within Europe all throughout history. For instance, England had people coming from the low countries, France, and Germany during the early modern era. Not even to mention the fuck ton of Irish that came during the industrial revolution.
>>540859676Civic nationalist garbage, what a surprise.
>>540860433>people moved across the British channel so I should be allowed to fuck niggers
>>540860569If that's what you took away from my post then you have a disordered mind.
My lineage? Bunch of foreigners. Why would I care about them.
>>540859176My father and mother were both orphans. My father ran off when I was 6 months grown in her belly.How am I supposed to do this, anon?
>>540860618>how dare you correctly read my merchant scrawlYou are not, and never will be, incognito.
>>540860018Using genealogy as a means to learn about history is valid. But then the actual goal is learning about history. The genealogy is just one means to such an end. Attaching yourself specifically to the accomplishments and hardships of someone 5 generations ago was the practice I was criticizing. Assuming no inbreeding, your relation to any given ancestor is 1/(2^n) where n is the number of generations back you go. So at 5 generations, that's a 1/32 or ~3% relationship. It's irrelevant.>>540860087I think you are low IQ and incapable of understanding the point I was actually making no matter how clearly I spelled it out to you.>>540860556This is not civic nationalism. I am making the distinction between racial solidarity and obsession over one's specific heritage.
>>540859176>muh ancestorsthis DNA bullshit is a huge grift to get your money. there are hundreds of people you're related to that you'll never know about. we all are related somewhere down the tree.
>>540860663>I thinkNo you fucking don't. Stop lying, script reader.
>>540860742Some of us aren't. I'll give you zero guesses to figure it out.Bonus points if you can't because you're not being paid to tell the truth.(The grift is so they can lie to you, retard. The money is secondary.)
>>540860755What "script" do you think I'm reading from, retard?
>>540860433>For instance, England had people coming from the low countries, France, and Germany during the early modern era. Not even to mention the fuck ton of Irish that came during the industrial revolutionI've never stepped foot on England. I'm Irish. 100% Gaelic phenotype (slight bit of porridgewog, like 7% and 4% norse but that's irrelevant). I am a son of Niall of the Nine, the Irish Genghis Khan. Be quiet, yankoid
>>540860096>>540860271>Each generation of men has about 30% chance of getting cucked.Probably not 30% but still pretty high, especially for firstborn children.The penalties for being an unwed slut were pretty steep in the past. A lot of cock carousel maidens found themselves hastily marrying that beta who had been asking for the last year when they realized they were pregnant, by (already married) chad.7 1/2 months later their "first child" is born.Women have always been whores. They were just better at hiding it in the past.
>>540860820all modern humans only have a .01% DNA difference between us. there is nothing special about any of us and anything that we think is special is purely bias. this is the grift - to lure low IQ retards like you!
>>540860950>0.1% accounts for appalling variances in capability and appearance, such that speciation has obviously occurredHave you tried not larping as human? Fuck off back to india.
>>540860644My grandfather was also given up for adoption as a child and didn't even remember his birth parents' names. I managed to figure out who they were though. If you were so inclined to take a dna test with ancestry you're likely to have relatives on there and can use their documentation to figure it out. >>540860657I'm disputing the idea that only the United States has had different people come there in modern history. It's ahistorical. >>540860663Yes I agree, there is a proper perspective. As far as learning history in general, you don't know what you don't know. For instance, I am from Michigan. Previously I never really stopped to wonder how and why. I learned that I am the result of a coalescence of New England and New York yankee colonists, French Habitants, Anglo canadian descendants of loyalists, people from the upper south who came to work in the auto industry, etc, etc. It definitely deepened my understanding of who I am and increased my appreciation of what it means to be an American.
>>540860862>I'm Irish.No wonder you're an idiot. Speaking of genealogy, I was quite thrilled to learn that many of my ancestors made a pit stop on your squalid little island to lord over you potato monkies before they made their way over here :^)
>>540861293>I'm using known things to insist that a majority can't possibly exist and drive the underlying geneticsYou are either female or on estrogen. Which would you prefer to be known as, tranny?
>>540861387Today, on delusional gloating, "My ancestors kidnapped your women and forced them to breed with niggers."
>>540861387Fuck aff, sasanach pict-aninny
>>540861531>14pbtidAre you actually schizophrenic or a bot?
>>540861791>why are you responding in a specific manner to posts made in a specific manner?Are you aware that schizophrenia is a "disease" your people suffer from? There are always more possibilities, but apparently it causes you pain to find out an actual human knows you to be full of shit.
>>540859176I don't really care. The only reason to look up ones family tree is once the ethnostate is established when we are deciding who is to be sterilized. Everyone who is white passing but impure will be offered the choice of deportation of sterilization.
>>540861906That "specific manner" with which you're responding involves emotionally driven counters to claims that were outright hallucinated and accusations that the people you're responding to are part of an enemy class. Your capacity to parse out communicated ideas from plain English is stunted. Your replies indicate a dogmatic impression formed by faulty heuristic. Your internally crafted narrative of events is conspiratorial. You are simultaneously suffering delusions of grandeur and persecution while also being resistant to correction. Please have yourself committed.
>>540862307>emotionally driven>direct insults leveled directly at individuals parroting known "commie" disinfo talking pointsYour inability to grasp that the statements you make hold more meaning than you intend is not a defense. Stop whining about your incompetence.
>>540859176I have a family tree detailing my ancestors back to when they arrived in 1623.
>>540862493>the statements you make hold more meaning than you intendIf you are not replying to the intended meaning of a statement, then you are not replying to the statement at all. You are hallucinating claims that were not made. The "known commie talking points" you're responding to were never even uttered in the first place.
>>540862611Translation for the retard that doesn't understand the words it says:>go back far enough and you have nothing in commonmeans "You have nothing in common with your ancestors."Meanwhile, actual humans look at pictures of their ancestors and find themselves looking at a suspiciously(not at all, this word is here to mock you) familiar looking face.So. We have two possibilities. You actually are the retarded shill, or you're a horrific mutt taking out its anger at its mother by seethe posting on 4chan.Don't project. It's not good for you.
>>540862872>go back far enough and you have nothing in common means "You have nothing in common with your ancestors."If you go back far enough*. Which doesn't take that much. Sure, you're pretty closely related to your grandparents (1/4 each) but only half as related to the generation before that. The similarity shrinks exponentially. That's basic fucking math. You're about as closely related to your great-great-great grandfather as you are to some other random dude who happens to share your ethnic background. Hense why ethnic background is more relevant than specific geneology.
>>540862499Based.
Genealogy is fun with enough documentation to comb through. It does suck when information dries up fairly early upstream and you're left with a giant open branch.
My ancestors were Spanish peasants from the 1500s who saw an opportunity to go to the Americas and get rich; after that, my ancestors were genocidal conquistadors; then came Mexican entrepreneurs, and from there... well, my grandparents and parents are failures, so I’m really not a nationalist about anything, I hate my existence and this reality.
>>540863183Dna inheritance is random. You will likely share significant dna with some of your 3rd, 4th, or 5th great grandparents and none with others.
>>540863612That's true as well. I glossed over it for simplicity's sake and am justified in doing so as it strengthens my argument if taken into account anyway.
>>540863395From what I know, the Netherlands is one of the better places in the world for documentation for sure. I've seen a lot of Dutch, Brits, and Germans that were into genealogy. The French seem to not give a shit though for whatever reason haha.
>>540863749>this reinforces my argumentWhat it actually says is "you cleave more strongly to one branch of your family tree than the other." It is a negation of your faggotry.
I come from a long line of village idiotsand I've done a reasonably good job of keeping the tradition
>>540863767Jews.
>>540859176I'm related to president Monroe. I swear to god.
>>540859419If you are looking at the world, it is more like naturally fermented food. When there is an abundance of good bacteria, they create conditions that inhibit bad bacteria, preserve the food, and make it more nutritious. When there is an abundance of bad bacteria, the food rots. So it is with the world. Knowing this, please end yourself.
>>540859339A nation is it's citizens
>>540863872You still share exactly 1/2 from each parent. It's at the grandparent level and beyond that genetic recombination starts to give rise to asymmetric inheritance. So while it's incorrect to say you cleave more heavily on your maternal or paternal line, it might be accurate to say you inherited more from your maternal grandfather than your maternal grandmother.More to the point: it means it's impossible to know for certain whether you actually inherited that 3% expected value from Billy Badass from 5 generations ago or if you actually took more from Steve the shit shoveler.
>>540864128>it's impossible to knowYeah. Strange how pictures work. Might be time to stop asserting ignorance as a fundamental component of your "logic."
>>540864316Your subjective impression that someone kinda looks like you is evidence of nothing. Genetic inheritance involves a lot more than aesthetics as I'm sure you're well aware.It's every bit as likely that this ancestor's facial features were better preserved than his behavioral and cognitive ones. It's not as simple as "you inherited more from this guy." What specific features you inherited from who is in question as well.
>>540864488>kindaReally? That's how you read it?So now you're a faceblind retard too. Wait, we already established that. Or at least, everyone else did. Were you unaware?Have fun being stuck on eye colour I guess.
>>540864538Try actually responding to the argument made. I have no idea what you look like nor what these pictures you're referencing look like. And it does not affect the argument being made either way.Now read my previous post, nice and slow, until you understand what the salient point of my argument was.
>>540864704>I have no idea what the phrase 'suspiciously familiar" meansDude. Just shut up.
>>540864735Work on your reading comprehension.
>>540864128Well you can actually have a bit of an idea with dna testing these days. I can factually see that I have inherited dna from certain ancestors because I have dna matches through them from other modern descendants. Ancestry has a tool called Thrulines that groups dna matches based on ancestor. It only goes back to 5th great grandparents but within my matches list I've even found distant relatives through 6th and 7th great grandparents.
>>540864768The worst part is that I perfectly understand the things you say. It's just that you're wrong. So wrong, in fact, that it is more interesting to treat you like a buffoon than to engage with your retardation.The exception will forever prove the rule.
>>540859419natio = of the same breedYou ignorant poo
>>540859176Regretfully not so much. Where should I start? My name is Baldwin
>>540865669Ancestry is the best site for it if you're willing to spend a little money. If you want to go the free route then familysearch is ok too but don't necessarily trust other people's work on either one lol. There are a lot of dumb people out there who just attach sources incorrectly without understanding what they are doing or just straight up make shit up.
>>540865523ThruLines is notably weak for establishing relations. They even tell you themselves that it's necessary to verify via hard documentation before coming to any firm conclusions. Not to mention its conclusions are largely based on existing family tree data uploaded by others who sent in their DNA. DNA alone is extremely muddy and the fact that they need to rely on all that external context is a testament to that.>>540865524The fact that you thought "how much this guy looks like me" was even remotely relevant to the argument demonstrates you either don't understand what the argument is or you're doing that typical schizo thing where you shut out any information that contradicts your delusional narrative.
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>>540859176Depends on how deeply you dig. Not everyone can trace their lineage for over a millennium. In general yeah you should know. A huge factor of our own development and personalities is genetic. Once you do some digging, you'll be amazed at the similarities you'll start noticing from your ancestors even if they're long dead and you never met them.>>540860096>>540860898The historic average was 20%. Also depends on whose ancestors were doing the cucking. Some lineages got a cuckolded a LOT higher than average(where do you think cuck fetism came from?) and then some women specifically targeted certain types of men.>>540863395Sometimes you get lucky and it turns out other people/kingdom were documenting your lineage for you for various reasons. In my case, my ancestors were such a pain in the ass for the Romans; they specifically kept records on them. I got really fucking lucky meeting a Latin Professor who just happened to have read and remembered those old preserved roman records who told me about it. The odds aren't good but it can happen from some very unexpected directions. In my case, it was Roman border, military, and spy reports/paperwork specifically.>>540864128Atavism and DNA testing exists you fucking retard. Not to mention all the miserable failures of studies that try to prove environmental factors over genetic factors with upbringing.
>>540865910Well hey every tool has the potential to be rendered useless in the hands of a retard. Personally I've used dna successfully to confirm certain suspicions where the hard documentation was there but not concrete. It also helps prove or disprove the possibility of non paternal events within your documented lineage. I haven't found any obvious examples in mine but I have found instances where some of my closeish ancestors apparently cucked someone else.
>>540866383>AtavismNot relevant. The question is a matter of proportion.>failures of studies that try to prove environmental factors over genetic factors with upbringing.I'm not even sure why you thought this was relevant. My whole point is you can't know whether you actually inherited any behavioral or cognitive traits from any particular ancestor through geneology alone. My argument literally presupposes a genetic link to behavior and intelligence so you reasserting is not relevant.>DNA testingGood luck getting a DNA sample from someone who died 5 generations ago. If you're talking about things like Ancestry's ThruLines, I addressed that here >>540865910>>540866481What it's essentially doing is saying "this particular genetic cluster is present in most of the people who say they're related to this guy" and making educated inferences from there. I'm not saying it's useless by any means. But it won't tell you how much you actually inherited from that guy, which is the whole point. It will only tell you that you share a sequence with others who are also related to him.
