>jerking off animals and shoving your arm up their ass and vagina is okay if it's to collect their milk and use them for meatIf you aren't vegan you pay for other people to rape animals
Look man at the end of the day it's all just mass and energy. Animals are just organic molecules. You think plants want to die or be eaten? Why do you think 95% of plants have deadly toxins and anti-nutrients?
>>540861822>Animals are just organic molecules.So are you>>540861822>You think plants want to die or be eaten?Plants don't consciously want anything at all, they do not have brains or nervous systems.
>>540861763I drink milk just fine knowing all of this happens. More milk for me, vegan fag
>>540861887ok zoophile
>>540861763It's more ethical to jerk off humans, shoving your arm up their ass and vagina. And collect their milk and use them for meat.
>>540861763>how to actually milk a cowTake bucket under udders and squeeze dem teetsRetarded infographic doesnt wven understand if these cows ARENT milked, theyll fucking die from how selectively bred they are for production
>>540861853he was more so talking about plants natural pest control/self defense measures ie phytonutrients rather than the morals of eating meat or drinking milk.
>>540861763Show me a.single oat milk brand thay sells just blended oats and water. Facetious queer
>>540861928Now we're talking.
>>540861763Why do they call it oat milk? It's oat juice.
>>540861763every single second of every single day there is an animal being eaten alive, ass first by another animal.hope this helps!
>>540861853Humans are featherless bipeds: the superpredator of the food chain.The Science confirms, a feathered biped was the superpredator of the Cretaceous.
>>540861928If you put your fist up my ass you can suck on my meat all you want homie
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>>540861763>female cow>female>cowfuck off to reddit retard
>>540862755>circumcision without anesthesiacan never take vegans seriously until we ban genital mutilation
In the end every “rational ethical vegan” is a coping zoophile huhAnimals are not peopleMade to save one and kill the other you will make the right choice or be thrown in a pitPopulations fed meat are taller, smaller, and longer lived on average until its taken to corn syrup goyslop extremesLimiting meat consumption across society results in a significantly dumber and weaker lower class and even the wealthy get a slight downgrade. Veganism = animal fuckers enslaving society.
>>540861763It's ok, I make it up to them by letting dogs fuck me.
>>540861763I already don't get enough nutrients with vegetarianism.Veganism is simply not do-able unless you have tons on money to piss away on good food.
>>540861763You don't have to stick your arm inside a cow to get milk. That's not where it's kept.
>>540863136Vegtards cant into bioavailbility and “nonessential” nutrients>YOU DONT NEED THEM TO LIVE <-mentally dysfunctional, progressively weaker, at least he beats the average of mcdonalds customers adjusted for SES according to The Science tho
>>540861763Humanity has been doing this for 20,000 years, maybe longer. I'm not worried about it.
>>540861763Bro neither of those sound very radical but I need calcium for radical things like shredding so I'll take the one that isn't gay
>>540862969Vegan here, and I am literally one of the most influential intactivists actively in the movement for nearly 30 yeads. You know about the ridged band because of me, so please consider extending your compassion to our animal compatriots.
>>540863304The bioavailability of nutrients in plant foods is more than sufficient in our current circumstances, so your concern is beyond overblown.
>>540862004>Take bucket under udders and squeeze dem teetsNot how it happens in factory farms
>>540861763Fucking retards you dont understand that treating the animal well will give more productivity. Your lie of not letting baby get cow milk and all that "forcefully" nonsense is only supported by your ignorance. They have their best life under pasture-raising by humans unlike in wild where they have to suvive as an predator's threat with much stress under pasture all they do is eat fuck and sleep.
>>540863960>YOU DONT NEED MOOOORE! JUST SURVIVE SO ANIMALS FEELINGS ARENT HURT! HUMANS CANT THRIVE THEYRE EBILNotice you dont deny that its so little actual food its considered an accomplishment to be fit and vegan (and they’re still weaker, still more mental, and their females still birth nerfed offspring)Just limiting meat caused the devolution of the pajeet
>>540863983Buy milk from a farmer you like then, faggot.
>>540861763>milk>MILK> ---> MILK <--->do something to oatsfuck off
>>540863960it isn't without massive supplementation. the vegan diet is inherently unhealthy.
>>540864156Do you buy milk from a farmer or do you buy it from a supermarket usually?
>>540862952My cow is trans.
>>540861763The alternative is extinction for many animal species.How many aurochs or wild buffalo are still roaming the land?Man has been living with and from animals literally since the beginning of mankind. Why is it ok to keep a dog or cat imprisoned and collared as a pet, but not to milk a cow or take a hen's eggs?
>>540861763yes factory farms suck but we’re not going to let you pretend that’s the only way farms provide meat you bug eating Chuds
Isn't it interesting how everyone basically defaults to the argument of "veganism is bad because it's really unhealthy", and yet they almost never concede that the moral rationale behind it is logical? In other words, it's almost never "dietary veganism is too unhealthy to work -- but you're right that we need to seriously reform how we treat animals." Rather, it's almost always "hahahaha fuck vegan faggots saying we should respect animals. Fuck off, they're just on this planet to serve us in any way we desire. Their feelings don't matter....oh yeah, and a vegan diet is unhealthy, too."Tells me everything I need to know about where you niggers stand.
>>540864400The farmer is cheaper and provides higher quality milk. Take a guess.
>>540864800>Rather, it's almost always "hahahaha fuck vegan faggots saying we should respect animals. Fuck off, they're just on this planet to serve us in any way we desire. Their feelings don't matter....oh yeah, and a vegan diet is unhealthy, too."This is why I actually don't feel bad about how the elite treat most people even if they treat me badly along with them. Humans by and large deserve their treatment
>>540864800The moral rationale is founded on absurdity. Animals do not have significant moral value by default. They are lesser things of lesser consequence. Their individual lives are worth little. The only reason we have some regulations is because certain acts with animals correlate strongly with mental illness and future crime. The actual moral position is actually that factory farms are bad for everyone involved. They breed diseases and the people who work in them develop degrees of mental instability and criminality that farmers and hunters do not. Pigs and cows may not be as valuable as dogs, but there is still enough value in them that torturing them and killing them sloppily and quickly all day erodes the soul no less than the casual abuse and killing of a friendly dog or cat. Our relationship with our prey is meant to be a respectful one. We thrive when we can take meat peacefully and without torturing the animal. And we thrive when we limit out diet to just a few animals, mostly incredibly stupid ones that display little will to escape death. Or in chickens case, they will actually try to eat the chicken you just killed (and eat each other alive if one is wounded, even in free range conditions) so who really gives a shit about eating chicken?Like, eating dog displays and reinforces lower moral character while eating something dumb and pitiable does not, but I’d understand if it were a notoriously shitty pitbull.
>>540864959We know. Vegans are fundamentally anti-human. All of your morals are based on assuming humans have the same moral value - possibly less - than things like “all animal suffering” and “a beetle thats a different color”. I find your morals themselves to be ontologically evil. The very purpose of morality centers on human well being. Every vegan I ask agrees that it can be moral to kill a human being to save at least a large number of animals (ie: 1000)
>>540865105>Their individual lives are worth little.A the life of an unborn baby has literally zero consequence on anyone's life whatsoever besides its mothers', why is it immoral to kill it?
>>540865229>I find your morals themselves to be ontologically evil.That's cool. I think you're ontologically evil too. I guess that means we'll have to fight.
>>540861763Anything that requires modern society is by definition extreme. When the lights go out, and the supply chain collapses, if you're vegan, you die. Likely by getting eaten by someone like me. Seeing as how you eat what food eats.
>>540865105So their lives mean very little but we shouldn't torture them? Do you think they have rights or not?And who's to say that they're so much less than you? So is a retarded baby. Should we take on the same attitude toward it that that you currently have toward animals?
>>540865317>Likely by getting eaten by someone like me. Seeing as how you eat what food eats.I would have no problem eating a person I killed who was tryring to kill me desu. I have a problem eating farm animals because they are defenseless which is what makes it immoral
>>540865229How is it evil to not want to kill or hurt animals?And yes, animal lives are absolutely worth much more than some human lives. You know what I mean. You've met these humans.
>>540865481>How is it evil to not want to kill or hurt animals?Are you a retard?
>>540865262Are the real world consequences of killing a human at 3 months, 3 years, and 9 years any different? If the consequences are always the sameAnd in each case, you are ending a childs lifeHow can any of them be right?If you dont believe in the soul, there is no reason to oppose the abortion of an actual clump of cells or weird fish thing fetus. If you believe ecclesiastes says that personhood begins when there are bones for the spirit to enter, then more power to you. I may find these againstmy believes but i cant prove you wrong without aggressively rejecting yours and making your belief system itself wrong - a crime. And yet you should still consider the consequences if you’re wrong, life really did begin at conception, and the perceivable universe really was a smaller part of something much larger, within which we can find the answer to the hard problem of consciousness and most likely, a mind greater than the universe. In short, God. If you do not accept the gravity of the fact that this IS a possibility, ask yourself what could be important enough to take the chanceEncouraging people to sleep around?Maybe just to save a mothers life, its a trolley problem, but “heccin womyns bodies” just doesnt trump God for me.
>>540864800Most vegans aren't looking for a discussion about factory farming - they want to moralfag and troll others but are salty when they are trolled back.We can have this discussion, but what will come out of it, if your "moral" position is already maximalist? The best outcome for the other side in such a discussion would be a constant salami tactic (because the ideal will always be veganism), not a durable compromise. So why even engage in a serious discussion?Also there is an asymmetry in relationships with vegans: when a vegan comes to your house, he will absolutely expect to be fed vegan food, while he will never serve you meat or even cheese when you come to visit him.
>>540865600>Are the real world consequences of killing a human at 3 months, 3 years, and 9 years any different?Honestly no they aren't. Certainly no more than a farm animal has.
>>540865401>I would have no problem eating a person I killedLol! LMAO!!! Yeah sure bud. You ain't eating nobody, and not because you're vegan...well it IS because you're vegan, but that's a separate issue as to why you're not eating anyone.Post your wrists with a timestamp. That's why you ain't eating no one.Cows don't eat lions.
>>540865600>If you dont believe in the soulI do actually>>540865600>but “heccin womyns bodies” just doesnt trump God for me.If you're talking about the god in the Bible he killed babies all the time
>>540865282>I guess that means we'll have to fight.You'll lose.
>>540861763>getting sucked at a constant pressure by a machine is painfulCalves get fucking kicked, faggot.
>>540865380Yes, they have very little value. They are nonsentient, generic, interchangeable. A bunch of drones having the exact same experience barely thinking about it. You have no idea how fucking stupid livestock are. They can be present for slaughter as long as you can do it gracefully. We shouldnt torture them because that is practicing torture, becoming better at it, more habituated to it, and it affects how we treat each other. basically every animal has screaming, thrashing, and terror hard wired to negative emotions and we’re no different. But we can kill them peacefully, because the world loses so little.If the bible is to be believed god has always treated us even worse than a moral farmer would.
>>540865713>>540865689You realize people fight with guns now right? I was assuming you would shoot me if you were going to eat me.
>>540865663You've already got vegan food at your house. He doesn't have meat. There's at least one big difference.You'll have to elaborate more on your other points.
>>540865663>Most vegans aren't looking for a discussion about factory farmingYeah, they are. Most vegan posts I see are about exactly that. You are a blind idiot or a malicious liar and I am leaning toward the second option
>>540865779You must have daddy issues if you believe the bible God treats us badly. Or you are disappointed by the heretics(anything other than Eastern Orthodox). Vegans are even more retarded tho.
>>540865779They're non-sentient but they feel pain? They're stupid so we should just slaughter them all?And most humans seem like generic, interchangeable drones if you ask me. Dogs too. Would you not agree? And the point is, I don't care how stupid and seemingly worthless a sentient entity is; we should do our best to never give it anything it doesn't deserve. Because we're Aryans.....aren't we?
>>540865707And on what basis can your worldview account for the existence of souls and morals? Bloody vegan cattle can never think 2 step forward.
>>540865686They are the same. One day there is a child there, then there is not, and its your fault. Maybe dont flippantly produce children if you want to kill them?And consider the gravity of the situation if you’re wrong and life did begin at conception, and everyone had told you, yet you had sex just to kill babies anyways
>>540866123>I don't care how stupid and seemingly worthless a sentient entity is; we should do our best to never give it anything it doesn't deserve. Because we're Aryans.....aren't we?trvkeThe reason why jews are so evil is because they believe everything beneath them doesn't deserve the simplest respect or kindness
>>540866172>And on what basis can your worldview account for the existence of souls and morals?Because I know I am a soul. I have innate understanding that death is not the end and there is a greater reality.
>>540861822>plant toxins>anti-nutrients>don't want to be eatenfruit is literally offered by the plant to animals to help spread it's seed.it's bright red / orange, juicy and sweet, retard.the plants we grow for crops have bred most of the toxins out.much of what's left is destroyed by cooking, and many plants are perfectly safe to eat raw.
Personally I buy organic human breast milk straight from the tit, its the only way i can guarantee consent for my food
>>540861763Just on point 1, do they propose we not allow bulls to impregnate cows? That would genocide the species.
>>540866234>Just on point 1, do they propose we not allow bulls to impregnate cows?They don't allow the bulls to impregnate the cows. They jerk off the bulls into an artificial vagina and then shove their arm up the cows vagina and syringe the bull semen into it.
>>540861763Oat has highest concentration of glyphosate out of all commonly eaten plant in the U.S. and Canada.
>>540866233>Personally I buy organic human breast milk straight from the titWhere? Can you really buy that?
>>540864800Vegan is unhealthy and a retarded virtue signaling. You image your moral judgements by arbituary feelings which will aways be wrong.
>>540861763Yeah, enslaving another species for our nutritional needs is absolutely barbaric.We need to industrialize human milk production instead.
>>540866204So your subjective perception. Got it faggot. So we should listen you because you just know better?
>>540866282You gotta make friends with freaky pregnant bitches. The kikes tell you its not for adults but its a super food like natural steroids
>>540866416there should be companies where women voluntarily pump their breast milk and sell it. I would pay $50 for a gallon of healthy human breast milk, maybe more
>>540866283If it's virtue signalling then what isn't? Is opposing the Chinese slaughter of dogs also virtue signalling? If not, why not?And what are these "arbitrary feelings" that you speak of? Appeal to emotion, you mean? In that case, opposing child rape is also an appeal to emotion, and thus such a position is fundamentally wrong.
>>540866463Maybe try onlyfans
>>540866090To be fair, the bible god only really destroyed canaanites and jews. He never really bothered the rest of us besides demanding the destruction of primitive polytheistic religions and very basic moral standards. >>540866123Yes. They operate entirely on vibes and have no real unique identity. They can be present for slaughter and not care. There’s really no mind in there but they still exhibit the behavior of feeling pain. Pain signals are older than the mind itself, and we don’t get a choice but to naturally dislike it because inherently disliking it is older than the mind itself.Still what is lost in destroying them is worth the prosperity of mankind. Its like breaking a porcelain bowl to lift a child out of poverty. We as a species, not just rich do nothings with non-jobs like social media engagement equity supervisor, simply do significantly better eating a non-negligible amount of meat and it enables producing food without arable land and only agricultural waste and cover crops for feed. Factory farms are the problem. Any rational person agrees. Stop inverting morality and putting man below the lowliest beasts.
>>540866123Inverted morality. Aryan behavior? Our ancestors domesticated cattle. Recognizing that not all species have the same worth is fundamental to domesticating an animal for food.
>>540861763Oatmilk is said to be very unhealthy.
>>540861763Only jews do this. Whites dont torture & exploit animals
>>540866702Bananamilk is superior. particularly Mooala's bananamilk
>>540866761Most white people eat animals that were tortured and exploited because they buy their meat and dairy from supermarkets
>>540866535False equivalence. Not all species have the same value.A dog, having been bred specifically to elicit the human empathy response, and being a social carnivore like man, does have more moral value than pathetic, brainless sheep, cattle, and chickens. Its simply something that looks and acts more like our selves. Dogs are notoriously used as practice humans. Unsurprisingly eating pork is wrong if you think this way. They are disgusting, AND they exhibit ensouled behavior like dogs
>>540866629So you agree that animals do indeed feel pain and we should do what we can to minimize it as much as practical or possible? Still, at the risk of sounding like an antinatalist misanthropic fedora-tipper, I must say that I'm not convinced that our lives are worth so much more than others. Remember that if humanity went extinct the planet would only greatly benefit.
>>540866847chickens are not brainlesst. have had chickens for 10+ years
>>540866887Why do you reframe agreeing with me as asking me to agree with you, you psychopathic misanthrope piece of shit?
>>540866847>pathetic, brainlessOkay, I get it now. Done.
>>540861853>they do not have brains or nervous systems.they have awareness, they can cooperate, they can learn. Look at the bean stalking finding experiments and the drop leaf closing ones. Plants are clearly sentient but not conscious. They scream when they are harvested to warn their cousins to preemptively produce stress hormones. Plants that is, Tomato plants do that in ultrasonics. Expand your worldview misanthrope. Eat a steak.
>>540866938They are. You can project onto them if you choose to buy they are retarded, purely instinct driven and cannibalistic. They’re basically still the reptiles they evolved from.t. also has chickens, and frogs. both demonstrate the same cognitive skills
>>540866969Yes, not all species have the same worth. An iota of human well being is not worth as much as any number of sheep. It is like destroying an ant colony to save your house.
>>540867009If you were forced to throw one lamb into a bonfire or throw ten carrots into a bonfire, which would you choose? By your reasoning only the psychopath would throw in the carrots.
>>540867032>t. also has chickens, and frogsI guarantee you did not spend as much time with or love your chickens as much as I do
>>540863983No shit, hence my latter sentenceThese cows are bred for milk production, dont be milking they be dyin simple as
>>540864714>Why is it ok to keep a dog or cat imprisoned and collared as a petThe PeTA crowd says it isn't. They've stolen (and then immediately gassed) people's pets just because. Then they claim "oh it was out running around loose, too bad."https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-downGotta love Snopes' hilariously badly done weasel wording:https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/>True:>PETA associates have been involved in some incidents involving the alleged theft and/or euthanization of family pets.>False:>PETA workers do not routinely lure pets away from families for the sole purpose of euthanizing the animals.So in other words it's false that PeTA doesn't ROUTINELY do it, therefore it's true that PeTA routinely does it.
>>540866123>Because we're AryansYou're from Persia?
>>540867104>I’m a zoophile and think my food conditioned reptile really loves meSorry but these things are literally reptiles. They are all copies of the same computer program tier mind. People like you could fall in love with a chatbot. Chickens will eat each other if you kill them in the pasture. And not fear you. No, they see the axe and follow you around. You don’t understand, not all species have the same value.
with jews you lose
>>540864800>Tells me everything I need to know about where you niggers stand.ROFL. You just don't count the billions of mice, insects, rabbits, voles, rats, groundhogs, prairie dogs, and other animals that get bulldozed, poisoned, rototilled, squashed, and otherwise exterminated to grow your low-nutritional-value crops. Not even getting into habitat destruction and loss of biodiversity.
>>540867184Tasty. Would eat.
>>540867184>i could fall in love with a chatbot if it had a cute anime girl avatar-tier morality
>>540861763This is fucking retarded. I grew up on a dairy farm. Cows enjoy being milked. Lots of places use automated milking machines now. Cows literally just walk up to them and get their cow juice sucked out without a human doing anything. I've seen lines of cows unprompted waiting to be milked. Also, dairy cows and beef cattle are two different things. Your burger wasn't a dairy cow.
>>540867083Animals are worth much more than some humans are. Again, you've met some of these humans. You know what I mean.And I never agreed with you; I was ASKING if you agreed with me, to an extent. And, for reasons unknown, you took offense to this.Again, the fact that your basic position seems to be "these animals are stupid and 'pathetic,' so we can and should do with them what we want to" tells me everything I need to know. And a dog is pretty damned brainless compered to me, so would you hurt and kill several just to save my life?I don't know why I'm bothering with any of this.
>>540866123>Because we're Aryans.....aren't we?Dunno about you, you talk like a kike.>>540867167Si señor. Death to the mullahs.
>>540867183>calling me a zoophileYou're the one who's okay with jerking off animals and fisting the females vaginas
>>540867184When you know it’s time, you know. I went pescatarian during a recent reinvention and resurrection of myself. I had my nervous system destroyed last year. There has been escalating improvements in my moral compass (came prior, but this was a byproduct is my point.) — somethings changed.
>>540865663This guy gets it. If even multiple trips to hostipals, multiple doctors sayign "just eat an egg bro", having their children taken from them for "failure to thrive", their teeth failing out....they won't change their minds. >he will absolutely expect to be fed vegan food, while he will never serve you meat or even cheese when you come to visit him.don't give an inch. >>540865860house guest touchs every m&m and only eats the red ones.... Yeah no thank you. >>540865987They literally want to put bears and other predetors in JAIL man. They are fucking deranged, its a dangerous anti-human ideology that can cause permeant brain damage from neural fraying, birth defects and worse. There is a reason no traditional culture on earth has ever been vegan. Ever. not even one. Thats not an accident, its a biological imperative.
>>540865987And it's exactly the same the other way round - the dumb ones are always louder.Also arguing from a moral position leaves little room for the other side.And I can say this without calling you an idiot.
>>540867237>Your burger wasn't a dairy cow.You've never eaten at Outhouse Steakback, have you.
>>540867311Fuck that's hot.
>>540867216Billions, you say? And are you asserting that accidentally killing animals is morally the same as intentionally killing them? No, it is not.
>>540865860Yes, I have vegan food at my house and eat it regularly, but I prefer a well-rounded meal. So why wouldn't a vegan cater to my preferences, when he expects me to respect his.
