Now that we know that his religiosity and celibacy are just hilarious jokes, how do you guys think he satisifies his sexual needs as a flamboyant, gay man? Do they have a secret circle of famous closeted homosexuals or something like that?
>>540866194Robert Baratheon is one of the more quietly tragic figures in the series precisely because his tragedy is retrospective — he's introduced already spent, a legend rotting in real time.
>>540866252What's more tragic, the rotting king or the honor suicidal warden?
Who would Nick be in GOT? He has that sand dornish niggerishness about him but he seems super gay. Lys, Myr pleasure boy turned radical? I'm just spitballing ideas guys, I'm new
>>540866306In the sense that a tragedy is a character that knows they are doomed and yet, due to personal make-up quite beyond their control, are condemned to carrying out their predetermined fate, I would say the rotting Robert Baratgeon (v Ned)?Though it's an interesting question. Ned in the dungeon seems to realize his fate.
>>540866363Spoiled White kid without restraint or morals, hmm, gee I wonder lol
Tropes he embodiesThe Warrior-King Who Can't Rule — glory-won crown, hollow reign. Same shape as real figures like Henry V's less-competent counterparts, or mythologically, someone like Theseus post-Minotaur — the adventure was the point, the aftermath is unbearable.Deconstruction of the "rightful king" fantasy trope — in typical fantasy, winning the war is the happy ending. Robert is Martin showing you the sequel nobody asks for.The man who peaked at one moment and never recovered — his entire identity is anchored to killing Rhaegar at the Trident. Everything after is denouement, and he knows it, which fuels the self-destruction.Grief calcified into obsession — his love for Lyanna curdles into a justification for checking out of his marriage, his kingdom, his fatherhood. He's less mourning her than using her memory as an excuse.The absent/negligent father figure, both literally (his bastards) and politically (leaving the realm to Jon Arryn, then Ned)..
>>540866252The core ironyRobert is a warrior-king in a story that has no more use for warriors. He won his crown through martial prowess and personal charisma, but kingship is an administrative, political job, and he's constitutionally incapable of doing it. Martin sets him up as the answer to "what happens to Aragorn after the coronation, when there's no more Sauron to fight and just budgets, marriages, and succession law to manage?" The answer is: he drinks, whores, jousts, and lets other people run the kingdom into debt.
>>540866194Flamboyant Zesty Simulacrum Such a Fake and Gay Glowie
What makes him work as a characterMartin gives him real warmth — his friendship with Ned, his rough humor, flashes of genuine grief and self-awareness ("I was never meant to be king... I have grown ugly, and fat") — so his failure lands as sad rather than contemptible. He's not a tyrant. He's worse, in a way: a fundamentally decent, likable man who is catastrophically unsuited to the position history handed him, and too self-aware to be spared the knowledge of it. (Tragedy!)
gay guys have an honor code to stay on the downlow, out of the hundreds of guys who nutted inside obama only one guy came forward for money blackmail. he has a secret grindr account where he just poses body shots, he is a power bottom and enjoys threesomes.>t. friend of a friend who he hooked up with during his italy visit
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>>540866194i like NJF. his personality annoys me now and again, but i think he's mostly correct about a lot of stuff. he's also one of the few political actors on the right wing thats totally untethered from the establishment.not sure why he gets so much hate from other non-jewish dissidents
>>540867267Its just because of how much he got spammed here. And the obnoxious way that they went about it.Just goes to show you that in order to be a public figure, your hype guys really do matter. If you get the wrong kind of branding out there because you hired a big group of retards to do your advertising, you as the front man will have to pay the price for it.
Robert is structurally the lynchpin of the entire series in a way that's almost mechanical once you look at it:His marriage to Cersei is the original sin. A loveless political match contracted to cement Robert's Rebellion creates the powder keg: Cersei's hatred of him, her affair with Jaime, and the birth of Joffrey/Myrcella/Tommen — none of whom are his. Every succession crisis in the series traces back to this one marriage he never wanted and never invested in.His negligence as king creates the debt crisis that Ned discovers (the Crown owes the Lannisters an enormous sum), which is a huge part of why the Lannisters have leverage and motive throughout the war.His friendship with Ned is the mechanism that drags Ned to King's Landing, which is the direct cause of Ned's death, which is the direct cause of the War of the Five Kings.His death is the actual trigger event. Everything — Joffrey's ascension, Ned's discovery and execution, Robb's rebellion, Stannis and Renly's rival claims, the whole War of the Five Kings — flows from the moment the boar guts him. Martin structures the entire first book as a long fuse leading to that one death.Thematically, he's the personification of "the previous era's solution doesn't work in the new problem's terms." His rebellion solved a Targaryen problem with an army and a sword. He cannot solve a Lannister-debt-and-succession problem the same way, and his failure to adapt is what breaks the kingdom he supposedly won.
So in a sense Robert never really "acts" in the present-tense plot at all — he's already a spent force by the time the story opens. His entire narrative function is retrospective and detonative: everything he did (the rebellion, the marriage, the friendships, the neglect) is a bomb that goes off after he's already dead, which is a very Shakespearean structure — the tragic king's flaws outliving him and consuming everyone left standing (think the political aftershock of Hamlet or Macbeth's ending, where the body count from one man's failures keeps racking up after he's gone)..
>>540866977We already have the answer to "what happens to Aragorn after the coronation, when there's no more Sauron to fight and just budgets, marriages, and succession law to manage?" The answer is that he engaged in infrastructure building, that he appointed skilled administrators to his government and made political reforms to improve the structure of Gondor's administration, he strengthened diplomatic ties and alliances with Rohan, he engaged in a variety of military campaigns against Gondor's remaining hostile neighbours (e.g. Umbar), and he established formal sovereignty over the Hobbits' lands as an autonomous protectorate rather than as unaligned territory only informally patrolled by the rangers. In other words he was a good king who governed his country well, and gurm is a talentless hack whose soul is poisoned by jewish bile.
>>540868466Tolkien doesn't actually describe administrative reform in any granular way; there's no bureaucratic detail to point to. This reads like plausible extrapolation presented as established fact.The bigger issue: treating this as "the answer" overstates how much resolution the text actually provides. Appendix A gives a compressed, chronicle-style summary — deliberately elegiac and sparse rather than a governance account — precisely because Tolkien wasn't interested in that question. So the honest framing isn't "here's what happened to administer Gondor's budgets and succession law," it's "here are the handful of sentences Tolkien spent on it, some genuinely on-point, others being filled in by inference that sounds more systematic than the source material actually is."Plus, muh black white characters and deus ex machina ring = HACKVILLEHACKVILLE INCARNATEASOIAF = SHAKESPEAREAN.LOTR = FAIRY TALES FOR CHILDREN
>>540869335Victory!!! GRRM WINS AGAIN
>>540869729<<----Tolkien fans
>>540866194keep seething shitniggersNick is Always Right
