We only have 20 years to make the greatest economic transformation in our entire history. This is what we face:>70% of goods exports are unprocessed commodities >40% of exports go to China>80% of iron ore goes to China>Chinese steel production peaked in 2020>GDP has flatlined with no non-mining engine to save it>AUD is essentially backed by the price of iron ore>105th in economic complexity, behind Uganda>Zero productivity growth for 6 straight years>70% of living standards driven by productivity alone>Predictions of less than 1.1% GDP growth p/a until 2063>China announced "CORNERSTONE": reduce dependence on our iron ore>China has set up iron ore, lithium/cobalt substitutes elsewhere >Military warned the gov decades ago NOT TO DO THISA single commodity shock event would be catastrophic. China begins extracting 120Mt/y of iron ore from Simandou 2028-2030 and our export drops to 50% price goes down in parallel to the steel production peak. If the Chinese property market collapses we are fucked. If anything accelerates the economic decline of China we are fucked. A 50% reduction of the price of iron ore translates to 20-30% reduction in AUD because we do not have any complex manufacturing. Coal production drops 50% by 2032 and by 2035 various countries developmental projections say the commodity market gets flooded.>In 20 years the 80+ peak>aged care spending 120%>healthcare spending 50%>taxable working population drops by millions>inflation expected 2-3% by 2028>fertility rate at 1.5 by 2027 (the point of no return)>current household debt at 2nd globally (113% GDP) >defence spending has to double to meet US expectations >entire southern agricultural region drying (11% of exports)>largest generational wealth difference on recordAustralian's will eat each other. We are completely fucked.
So in a sense Robert never really "acts" in the present-tense plot at all — he's already a spent force by the time the story opens. His entire narrative function is retrospective and detonative: everything he did (the rebellion, the marriage, the friendships, the neglect) is a bomb that goes off after he's already dead, which is a very Shakespearean structure — the tragic king's flaws outliving him and consuming everyone left standing (think the political aftershock of Hamlet or Macbeth's ending, where the body count from one man's failures keeps racking up after he's gone).
I'm sure if you go talk about how fucked America is in more threads, it will help.
>>540868346That's pretty dire, anon. I wish you the best in the coming societal calamity that we all have been barreling towards for decades.
Economic complexity is pointless measure.You are a shill for using it rope yourself glownigger.
>>540868613It measures what we manufacture. Which is nothing. Which is why a single commodity shock will be an instant disaster.
>>540868346After you've finished eating each other, the Abbos will throw your bones for the dingoes to gnaw on by the campfire.Back to basics.
I don't think anybody in power has the balls to do what has to be done. Even if they did it will piss so many people off that they will be voted out and the next government will reverse everything. If rental prices and housing goes down for any reason boomer retirements get wiped out and the show is over. I don't see the economic transformation as a possibility.
>>540868346only shot we got is to go all in on miningremove indigenous land rightsdrill baby drill unironicallythen do a dubai or a qatar and fund everything else with this new rock money
>>540868903China controls the refinement for90% of rare earths 70% of lithium60% of cobalt If they went all in on refinement maybe, but not more extraction. Nobody will be buying and many other countries will be selling. Commodities are going down not up.
>>540868346Im gonna start selling herbs to boost the economy
>>540869018>>540868903>>540868859>>540868683>>540868659Australia is a joke nation. Violent whites cant stop saber rattling at china so now china has to teach Timmy who is boss. Also Timmy is getting replaced by suck deep.
>>540868346>chang demoralization thread Like most Australians, you're nothing more than a castrated, self-hating ALP-voting anti-white leftist cuck who kisses the feet of boongs, spreads his cheeks for immigrants and supported the singing of Welcome to Country on Anzac Day. You suck Albo's cock on command and lick the sweat off his balls. There is no degradation to which you will not subject yourself in order to placate your communist masters in Beijing. You supported the return of the ISIS brides, and turned out in Melbourne with thousands of other Australians to welcome their return
>>540869018even if those numbers are right which i will grant for the sake of argumentthey control that amount OF what is already foundwe are mining like 5% of what there ismost of it is locked under aires rock and other abo settlements
>>540869128>standing up against racism in 2020+6i thought youngins were meant to be up to date on the trends?
>>540868346arent you faggots already dead from no gasoline ?oh, too bad, maybe soon
>>540868659Cop out.Been doing cane for generations the only way for us the go under is for fat retards like you to stop eating sugar world wide.Tobbaco the third largest industry on earth market certainty is 100% on certain crops and resources extraction and diversified holding bring more risk.Amateur economist like you stay poor their whole lives while claiming to be money experts.
>>540868346You walk alone, like a primitive manAnd they make it work, with sticks and bonesSee their hungry eyes, its a hungry home
>>540868346australians cant win
>>540869466Thanks to based Brazil replacing them.
>>540869496holy beak>that flagoh
>>540868346It's always the countries that need us the most who hate us the most.I have not met such anti-american people as aussies. Such vitriol when we are the only thing standing between them becoming absolute and total Chinese clay
>>540868346this country is 100% going down the shitter and I've already laid my plan to R E T V R N to Europe
my bet is that we burn so badly this coming summer that there's no coming backand that's a good thing fuck jeets
>>540869171Why is everyone against doing something with the ore? It's absolutely pathetic to not refine the shit here.
>>540869897The estimates suggest the gov will increase migration enormously as commodities die down moving into 2030. I'm talking 800k-1m per year.
>>540869592I have never met an australian over 50 who did not hate americans, but they hate everyone else too.
Oh fuck I got the fertility rate wrong>The 2024 total fertility rate hit 1.481We already passed the point of no return. Cooked.
>>540869541silly goy eeheh we own you! The anglosphere will fall! Our power in the media and banking and shit is unprecedented since the 1400s! Jakob Fugger look it up that's my great grandpa!!
Despite the cost of living and obvious economic hardship coming, australians still spent the most on gambling per capita on earth.We really are a 3rd world country existing between two giants (USA/China) and the giants hate each other. Imagine if a fucking war kicked off. We just starve to death.
>>540868346Boomers trained their sons and daughters to be cafe barristas. Absolute servitute all based uppon depriving millenials of housing thus causing the mental health crisis, economic crisis and mass immigration. This country and dealing with it's inhabitants has destroyed my will for life. Only in spite of these cunts can I attempt to operate
The problem is that there are some groups who would rather remain in power of a collapsing state, then give up power and live in a thriving one.The solution is not political and political groups are entrenched by the modern liberal democratic system, judolegalism, debt kapital, the impotent fear and anger of Australia is what pays the bills of token political opposition groups.
>>540869592most anti U.S. posts come from britkikes and finnoids. and theres nothing worse than a leaf
>>540870269We have an anti innovation culture that comes from them. It really is a culture of critique but I don't get where it came from because the parents of the boomers were genuinely innovative. Is it just a deep seated envy and entitlement?>>540870317And the average australian has no idea any of this is happening. I have repeatedly heard people say 'but we have the best coal and the best iron, china needs us, we dont need china' and it just blows me out.
Alright so there is a causal link between the lack of boomer innovation and the tall poppy syndrome. Australian's more so than anyone else tested, hate seeing other Australia's become successful.We are in a giant crab bucket.
I shipped in a Quasimidi 309 for $1100 from Japan. It cost me $241 in duties for border control to let it through. UPS charged me $13 to pass on the fee when technically customs should have contacted me directly like they have in the past.Amazon pays nothing.That is all you need to know both about Australia, and the rest of the western economic junta. Because we are not the only ones.
>>540870769thats how the govt funds public jobs for women. thats how the govt pays for somalia's healthcare. by taxing everyone else
>>540870845Yes they do. DEI has been an unmitigated disaster.
>>540868346>Australian's will eat each other.Yeah, nah. The 51% of our population that's imported shitskins will eat each other before fleeing back to their shit holes because no more remittances and it's cheaper there anyway. The actual Aussies left will go through decades of absolute devastation while our politicians will jump ship to the home countries of the multinationals they actually work for as payment for fucking this country over. Mad max here we come. Not suggesting I'll be some road warrior warlord or anything, once the medical system in this cuntry shits the bed, I'll be dead within 6 months, but I'll try to square accounts as much as possible by the time that happens.
Im polling 66% of Australian's say they gave up their ambitions because other Australian's treated them like shit for having ambition.My god.
Start up genome and CSIRO found that most successful founders in this country become successful by being physically in Australia but selling the products overseas. Specifically naming Tall Poppy Syndrome as the cause. Australian's simply do not like seeing other Australian's succeed.https://startupgenome.com/ecosystems/melbourne
>>540870402It is entitlement. My grandfathers father lived in a shack with a dirt floor, they were given parcels of land after WW2 and went to work building farms, families, towns and cities. My grandfather went to work on the farm and at 14 was in his way to knowing what to do in order to surive and thrive. In his life he married a school teacher and had 6 children. Those children are the boomers, because of the family farms success the bank managers move in and offer you a heap of money, they had the cars, trucks, tractors you name it share cropping in rotation over 3 states. My mum on christmas woke up to a red ribbon which she followed to the yard and there was her new horse. Then because of this economic success and the financial system developing and changing to borrow large amounts of credit, the boomers lived in an economic illusion. The reward for hard work was no longer the farm or the family or the reawarding of the system and proccesses that created those economic times but it became a big flash house and car on credit. We have created a half half type of economy where those who were very kind of socially repressed or had no imagination or spark for life succeeded by staying put and waiting and working in their business for decades with no attempt to grow or innovate. For example a small town hardware store owner has an avenue for total economic success because the town is literally not big enough for competition to enter the scene. So the hardware store owner develops a certain ego and way of being, then this sort of low life energy invades and taints everything it touches. We created a system where not being innovative is rewarded not just innovation not being rewarded.
This tall poppy phenomenon has been described as a "national tragedy".
>>540870989That ego development makes sense. I know a lot of boomer men right now cannot find work. Nobody wants to employ them because no cunt wants to work with too many of them.
>>540869980>I'm talking 800k-1m per year.Mate, we've been getting that for years. You know there plenty of migration streams they don't class in the official figures right?
Even two of the most prestigious Australian economists are saying its the mass migration that is killing this country.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt2KYxxf7S4Their solution, stop bringing in useless eaters on family visas and import tradies instead of the typical Cert IV in UberEating. Also faster trains so people can live in satellite cities like Geelong or Gold Coast while maintaining a decent job in the capitals.
>>540871174Without watching it I am assuming the argument is that the fertility rate and general ambition of the youth is in the toilet because nobody can even acquire a home. And they would be correct. But how the fuck are we ever going to convince boomers to accept the housing market going down?
>>540871166Whatever it actually is, double it as we enter 2030 and china switches to non australian commodities
>>540870402From my perspective there is no fundimental issue, its a human problem, we know who the humans are, and if the relevent administrators reach the conclusion that its easier to sew up a definite outcome rather then endless speculation, such an operation could proceed on a keyhole basis.
>>540870969>being physically in Australia but selling the products overseas. Specifically naming Tall Poppy Syndrome as the causethat's just because the australian market is tiny, nothing to do with tall poppy syndrome
>>540871322It has been replicated and it is a distinctively Australian problem.
>>540868346You guys have an economy?
>>540871328They called it cultural cringe combined with tall poppy. Cultural cringe is another phenomenon but I know less about it. Supposedly Australians used to heavily scoff at Australian products.
>>540871259Yeah, they thought of that. Even just stalling the house prices while adding new stock would do the job. Government just needs to make the rail connections better, put new trains/transport connections, not just a single lane in and out of the estate with a bus that gets stuck in the traffic also, in those suburbs while at the same time letting areas around existing trainstations be built up a few storeys. And to do this we can keep the same immigration levels, we just ignore the CFMEU and import tradies instead of IT specialists and yoga instructors.
>>540870969I think that's political lobbying rather then any kind of science, and the CSIRO devolved into a defacto lobby group around 2000. Any research group not directly tied to a stakeholder group is essentially a lobby group by definition, and long term cooperation between Australian lobby/achedemic groups and China, Washington, is an open secret.They claim tobe achedemics because they can't say who's paying them, because they're paid by a foreign government.
>>540871303Yeah, pretty much mate. Shits fucking fucked mate.
>>540871390>Supposedly Australians used to heavily scoff at Australian productsI don't think so but maybe, aussies love vegemiteLook at our population, it's always been tiny compared to a lot of other places in the worldThere simply isn't enough customers here to make it big selling products here
>>540869592That's because our capital was built specifically to be a capital, so only the bureaucrats moved there to do bureaucrat things, and the whole city is the largest fart-huffing echochamber in the world. "200 square kilometres surrounded by a sea of reality"The people who run the media also live there, so all of our media is similarly delusional, and most people just dgaf and listen to it.
>>540871434Give me 10 fucking minutes I will link 3 primary sources for tall poppy and cultural cringe inside australia.
>>540869592Yanks are rare in Australia. You'd only see them in Sydney. The one's I have encountered here are down to earth and interesting, big personalities. The Brits and Irish here on the other hand.. (Scots excluded, they're also bro-tier)
TALL POPPY SYNDROME IN AUSTRALIAGriffith Research Online>it is "a well-established part of Australia's DNA", "hardwired into the Australian mind", "embedded in the local culture." https://research-repository.griffith.edu.au/server/api/core/bitstreams/e54feadb-e20b-563f-89af-c9e8c64468b4/contentMacquarie University>"it is bad if someone thinks 'I am someone very good, I am not like other people'" a norm enforced by public wrathhttps://researchers.mq.edu.au/en/publications/thou-shalt-not-be-a-tall-poppy-describing-an-australian-communica/Parliament of Australia - Hugo Report>"a minority also expressed a 'push' factor in their decision to leave Australia. This was expressed as an aversion to the so-called 'tall poppy syndrome' in Australiahttps://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/wopapub/senate/committee/legcon_ctte/completed_inquiries/2004_07/expats03/rel_links/hugo_report_pdf.ashxParliament of Australia - Griffith>"tall poppy syndrome is a modern version of older public anxieties about knowledge"https://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/house_of_representatives_committees?url=ee/bullying/subs/sub89.pdf&utm_University of the Sunshine Coast>Twelve female high-performance Australian school-age athletes; every single one had been bullied by peers for standing out. https://research.usc.edu.au/esploro/outputs/abstract/Tall-poppies-bullying-behaviours-faced-by-Australian-high-performance-school-age-athletes/99450106302621?utm_Australian Financial Review>A survey of Australia's fastest-growing companies: 74% said Australia has tall poppy syndrome, 30% said they had personally suffered from it, 34% said it was getting worse. https://www.afr.com/companies/jealousys-a-curse-20051013-kab6z?utm_The Conversation AU>"Australia and New Zealand are plagued by tall poppy syndrome" Australian-university-fundedhttps://theconversation.com/australia-and-new-zealand-are-plagued-by-tall-poppy-syndrome-but-would-a-cure-be-worse-than-the-disease-245355?utm_
>>540871340I disagree, Australia shares a course with the 200 other post colonial states, and we are stuck in limbo between foreign colonial oligarchs who "own" primary industry and primary resources as if the British East India company still existed, which is the bans of most leftists, and the disconnected global urban kapitol market, an endless subdivision of stateless tertiary workers, the bans of the right. And due to that binary political tug of war, Australia half baked federation, failed to industrialise, failed to implement a national programme which we should have done in 1984, as a direct and explicit condition of joining the allies in the second world war.
>>540871616>>540871578>>540871526>>540871446>>540871434Australians are such violent psychopaths they cant stop saber rattling (flying their jets and sailing their destroyers right up to the border of china and then running drills with their bombs and guns) at their best customer (China) because reasons. LOL
The Australian Parliament - through the Hugo Report - has formally acknowledged that high achievers leave Australia, or want to leave, because Australia does not know how to "acknowledge and reward high achievement" in science and innovation, only in sport. That is a Senate document. I cant link the fucking document. Google "The Australian Parliament - through the Hugo Report tall poppy" first link.
>>540871862>>540871879Australians are such violent psychopaths they cant stop saber rattling at their best customer (China) because…why exactly?
>>540871616I have little time for the leftist tendency to attribute material issues to social constructs. I want to use names, talk about individual human beings, direct action. If you can't translate your abstract view into practical, actionable terms you don't get a seat at the war table
So yeah. The government themselves have recognised that Australian high achievers leave the country because everyone is a cunt. That's real nice.
>>540869980i'm saying that i think (or maybe hope is a better word) that we'll be too fucked after this fire season for the cunts to even want to come here anymore
>>540871883shut the fuck up you fat circumcised retarded jew cum guzzling CUNTUNT
>>540871921Right here. >>540871911As I stated. There is a causal link supported by the Australian government and by economists that the reason our economy is fucked is because the smart people leave, or they have their ambition crushed. Is that clear enough for you?
>>540868346Why do you think I left? Worst economy on the planet. Worse than Japan. At least Japan makes shit in factories all over still. There are more factories in a city of 300k population vs the entirely of Australia. Lol. Never going back. Fucking useless cunts.
>>540871174>>540871416Why import traides let alone anyone?Beter to expell non-whites and the whites who support them. country fixed, future secure not matter what happens
>>540872001Yer but how is it working in a japanese factory as a wyperson?
>>540868346Don't worry. A billion Indians will save us.
>>540868346Heres a solution, kill all boomers and kill all browns. Import nothing make everything in australia for domestic sale onlyMake 200 nukes
>>540872088No idea. I sell solar panels to boomers and ploomers then own the panels after they die since it's a lease, then sell the juice back to the grid lole
>>540869274>TobaccoBro we stopped growing tobacco decades ago, we produce 0. There are literally no licenses issued for it anymore.
>>540872165I've been to Japan so I know how nice and friendly that place is, just yer dunno about how it would be to live/work there. People say its shit like you're worked till you die and quitting a job is really hard to do .
>>540871979Reducing a national, tangible, macroeconomic problem to neologisms and claiming abstract data as proof is the lobby group special, and no matter how many lobby groups you cite, you'll fool nobody, not in any uncensored forum
>>540869592>I have not met such anti-american people as aussies.Aussies have always felt envious, cucked and butthurt by America's power and greatness. Many Aussies have felt that we were destined for great things, to be one of the best countries in the world, but we couldn't get there. Meanwhile we sit and watch America dominate pop-culture, save us in WW2, shape history, rule the world economically and produce era defining technology. Australia is a nobody on the world stage while America is the star. This eats away at many Aussies and so they notpik Americans and point out every fault with America they can find. The butthurt really started 118 years ago when America's Great White Fleet visited Australia.
I saw this dumb cunt radio host talking about >whats wrong with our kidsSaying when we were young we only cared about chain smoking and hooking upYeah, lying to the public that everything is A ok will surely helpThe future is bleak bros
>>540872446Yeah ok bro you must be a NEET if you haven't observed the phenomenon yourself.
>>540872076Most "trade" workers in Australia are actually domestic service workers, tertiary workers. And that's a bitter pill for the left, they are not workers because they produce nothing, their manual labour is akin to working in a massage parlour. >>540872134Well that is the classic right wing beef, and it's true, but what if instead of identifying those people ethnically you identified them as tertiary workers?Uber, Melbourne uni, a two dollar store, yes they are all non white and a total burden on Australia, but if the Irish, Russians, American migrants came here and did those things we would have exactly the same problem. >>540872160That's a lot of people to kill, and though it's possible, there is I think a more elegant solution. >>540872165Solar in Australia is a total joke, it's just another subdivision bubble that lets rich old parasites charge young productive workers rent.
I wonder what it would take to get a peasant type uprising in Australia. I dont think we are anywhere near that yet. But the 80+ age group peaks around 2036 and that is when our economic problems will viciously compound.
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>>540869104Fuck off chink
Shut up, vaxxies.Australians, wow...What does it mean when random women in Australia (usually drunk or near my own age) call me a cunt? Like yeah he's a cunt...What does it mean?Anyways Australia is full of pretty hot women who ignore men and they don't have any real problems just a bunch of smug little thumbsuckers is all aussies are desu real boring bunch. Lots of blondes too but the Indians will sort them out I suppose. Saw a huge rack fat blonde in a tube top last night huddling in a safe space outside a bar yes they have designated safe spaces in their bar areas lmaoooo
>>540868445Kiwi here we are even more fucked
>>540868346There's no economic future without free speech. Look at the UK, as soon as they went tyrannical they turned into the USSR and are collapsing. You need freedom to build a business. America is the most free country which is why it's the most successful. Australia is a nanny state shithole and the government won't even let us view tits online now. This country is finished. Nobody wants to invest in a nanny state shithole where you can go to jail for saying the wrong thing.
>>540872955Your economy is at least more robust than ours with good diversity of items. But how did they screw the housing up so badly?
>>540871390>>540871526Are you guys foreigners? Cultural Cringe is because Australian stuff is usually fucking lame.
>>540872993No I'm just too young to have heard of it before. Apparently Keating was yelling about it in parliament at one point.
Every woman on the street looks really good but they are all feminists and don't really make eye contact or have a baby with a Maori looking guy or some roidmonster boyfriend. Lots of prettyboys and unreasonably tall chads walking around too so never, Ever, pity an Australian or take anything they say seriously. They aren't cool outback people in kangaroo hats, they are coddled nitwits. It's like 90 percent fit white good looking people here.
>>540872464Nobody gives a fuck. That's the real truth. We are fine being fucking nothing.
>>540873018I'm probably your age but it was my dad that told me
>>540872723The only "skilled" migrants are the now tiny amount of White immigrants, the rest are all the uniparty's foreign legion against Australians.
Can't wait to leave this overpriced shithole it's so boring no wonder most of you get laid through incest but the women really know how to dress indecently wow
>>540870317>judolegalismkek
>>540872673Well you've cited a dozen foreign backed lobbyists, arguing in abstract, social terms that individual achedemics who i would firmly describe as "defectors" rather then tall poppies, should be put in charge of national industry. And proof? Of defection, of Australia's largest tertiary sector producing nothing of material value but thousands of defectors to China and the US, a trillion dollars of foreign kapitol exchange, and 300,000 tertiary squatters per year.
>>540873018I'd love to know what Paul Keating thinks about mass migration.
>>540873056I only remember everyone pushing to buy Australian made but it was clearly just another problem of the boomers. >>540873088We have free tafe but it's only ever women doing the courses.
>>540873139I think he was an open borders guy.
From the Guardian>Keating views Australia fundamentally as an immigrant nation and champions diverse, open borders that build national strength
Ahh Australia, the best shithole in the world.Many would kill to live in our shithole you know? But it is still a shithole.
>>540873304>>540873230>>540873139>>540873121>>540873105>be Australia> repeatedly violate your largest trading partner’s sovereignty for shit and giggles> China requests you stop>chimp out because “Australia stronk” we won’t cower to “Ching Chong bing bong”>China cuts off imports>economic catastrophe ensues>citizens starve to deathWho could have foreseen this?!
>>540872990Lived in aus all my life til this year and moved in with the Mrs Its honestly the same fucking indians and modis fta
>>540873105Kek. The habeas corpus, bodyslam of law.
>>540873570Pajeets going global anon.
>>540873088Well that's closer to the truth, these educated migrants are no more productive then uneducated ones. And this applies to their children, children's children. But i would argue that despite being objectively non white, the functional issue is that they aren't productive.
>>540873841How can anyone be productive here anyway with how high everything is taxed?
>>540873841Non-Whites are a waste of space and resources, a net loss. They're also just ugly and it's repulsive to have them merely exist. They have their whole lives given to them in tandem with well paying do-nothing jobs. There actually is more profit in enslaving them and trading them like genuine economic units.
Let’s make an analogy to Australia-China situation.>be Bruce> have store >best customers are the lee family. They purchase 80% of your inventory every week.> Bruce family decides to have wild parties at 2 am right in front of the lee household every night because “muh right” to assemble outside your house. If you don’t like it you can shove it up you ass “chink”.> lee family requests you stop> Bruce family chimps out and starts having concerts outside lee family house and threatening lee family members as they leave to to work>lee family stops shopping at Bruce store>bruce family is ruined>bruce family no longer has free time to harass lee family because they’re all working at Safeway now for minimum wage and their car and speakers were repossessed>bruce family cries out claiming how unfair this isWhy are Australians so retarded? Have they never heard the expression “know how your bread is buttered” or “don’t bite the hand that feeds”?
>>540873728My girl must be part Indian she does huge poopies>>540873880Impossible anywhere these days I'm afraid
>>540873524>>540874021>be american>spam an aussie thread with retarded bullshitkill yourself your retarded cunt
>>540874103You haven’t refuted one point I made. Australians are violent psychopaths that actively threaten their best customer. A retarded baby wouldn’t be this idiotic. A nigger dropped on their head repeatedly knows better than you.
>>540874178Australians are cunts, even the white ones are cunts. Infact this whole albo housing bullshit is tall poppy syndroem gone mad. Now an avenue for wealth for an average normie has been closed for good.
>>540869104>sensible chuckle
>>540869950Lack of ambition.
In 40 years our manufacturing went from 22% of economy to 6%.
>>540874364Kek and I work in manufacturing but I bet the joint I wage slave at won't last that long since trumps bullshit is happen. Work in a plastic factory making fire fighting tanks and diesel tanks. the Resin comes from chink land, so if the chinks cant make it due to fuel shortages then we cant make shit.
>>540874490Happening*
>>540874490That is something I was thinking about. We really only assemble here. I haven't had a good look but I wonder how much of our automotive industry was assembly.
>>540874597Every bit of manufacturing is using imported parts to put something together anon.
More than I thought >Local Design and Full Manufacturing: Major players like Holden, Ford Australia, and Toyota Australia operated massive vertically integrated footprints. They featured stamping shops, engine plants, and testing facilities that created unique vehicle architectures tailored for local conditionsDid it become more expensive here or did it get cheaper elsewhere
>>540873880Materially productive. Like a lemon tree produces lemons. The poorest workers and indeed individual cows produce more in a year then the entire university sector
>>540868346Time to become the white Thailand for BAC Bruce.
>>540873945I would just express that in economic terms, I have an economic world view, call it an aesthetic choice.
Why doesn't Australian government just steal the entire privately owned natural gas industry, hire everyone as subcontractors, establish a paper export board?We should capture 150% of all natural gas exports, instead of 20%. What do we actually gain from selling mining liscence to multinationals, who then turn around and charge us more for our own gas then they sell it to the Japanese for?It's not like auspost, the state doesn't need to run the industry like it's a government department they just need to own it, subcontract it. So the current owners would have no choice who Australia's gas was sold to.
Australia is pathetic. It is.And the specific tragedy of it is that it's not even a grand or interesting failure. We are not a country that tried something bold and lost. We had every possible advantage, resources, education, stable institutions, geographic safety, an entire continent, and we used them to build the developed world's most comfortable version of doing nothing. The pity is in how easy it would have been to be great, and how thoroughly the culture chose not to. The part that makes it more than sad is that the choice keeps being made, even today, any politician that suggests structural changes gets demolished by the media, the same media that laments about a lack of structural change. We cannot build a top three economy out of people who were in many cases taught by their own parents that trying is embarrassing. I feel genuine grief for what this country could have been.
>>540875363Maybe don't export any of it. Same goes for food.
>>540875363Doesn't the federal government technically own all gas reserves? And set out the rules on how much is to be exported and used domestically? I know the Victorian state government was denied being able to use it's own gas reserves for it's own people because technically they did not own it.
>anon shocked that china took commonwealth(including my own) countries hostage as the US tries to position to take chinas economy hostage
>>540875514They did not take us hostage. We put the cuffs on and walked into the Chinese cell. The military warned the government decades ago. The government wanted the easy money. We bent over in that cell.
>>540875555>We put the cuffs onno they used a variety of ways including propaganda and literal agents to slowly subvert the economies of a lot of nations. it's why these sorts of threads could be made by any of the commonwealth countries and be true
>>540875599I wish I could be this naive it would feel better.
>>540873524China imports one Firth of it's produce from Australia.They have a lot more to lose than we do.>>540872206My point was market certainty tobacco and iron both have 100% market certainty meaning they always have a market just like sugar and wheat.
540875555DigitsI can break these cuffs
>>540868659Commodity shock isn't going to kill us. It's going to be our largest trading partner flipping us the bird and leaving us like used sex doll.Do make a lot of things, but most of it is small stuff and domestic parts. We don't secretly control 25% of agricultural exports like the sheep shaggers.
>>540875655"we" isn't you and me, you use "we" to mean jews forcing it on our countries, and they do it at the behest of chinks whenever chinks want to.
>>540875680Hahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahjajajhahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahahha
>>540875803My concern is that quite a few of these things are going to happen at the same time.
>>540875680>China imports a very small fraction of its total agricultural produce and food supply from Australia. While Australia is a major supplier of specific items like beef, wool, and grains, food imports from Australia make up less than 1% of China's total domestic food consumption and overall agricultural needs.Not sure if you’re intentionally lying or delusional as some kind of retarded coping mechanism
>>540868346Have you considered importing 20 million Indians?
>>540875446We have a floating balance with Japan because half the lng is used for seasonal heating and industrial refrigeration and it's basically not worth storing surplus for half a year. No the honk part is that we're paying a foreign company to pay us to sell gas to ourselves. So they profit three times from our use of a resource we control.And then the power from gas, we again pay a foreign company to sell back to us, to produce the aluminium we have to buy back. So if the oligarchs were a little bit more afraid of the ADF and refusing to sell resources that came from Australia to the ADF, that wouldn't be such a bad thing you know.
>>540875990I am sure they have.
>>540868346occam's razor:>OMG why do they roll in mud like swine?>why do they snort like swine?>why do they eat shit like swine?answer: because they are, in fact, swine.and if you expect them to be anything but swine, you're going to be disappointed. you need to be cynical with australians because there's no other way to deal with them.
>>540868346>Military warned the gov decades ago NOT TO DO THISJoin the fucking club bro. Mic glowie here, we’ve been screaming about China and the hollowing out of our industrial base since the ‘95
>>540875458Honestly I am suggesting the Australian army sieze it at gunpoint, offer the workers either private subcontract on the same terms, an APS salary, or a bullet, and the government establishing a private tender just for domestic retail sales, and a state monopoly export, mostly for reciprocal trade with Asian states who also produce gas. And that locks Australia into maritime defence over what would effectively be joint owned marine gas exploration in Asia we'd never get state liscence for and which China would boycot us for.
>>540875776U can't break those cuffs
>>540876187Nobody would ever want to trade with us again. It isn't unreasonable to think that such actions are either existing as a clause in other contracts we hold internationally, or that there is an international standard on it. If you are going to seize one thing, the ramifications are so dire you may aswell seize it all because we will get embargoed.
And if anyone needed any more reason to hate Pauline Hanson>https://www.nine.com.au/australia-news/pauline-hanson-questions-compulsory-super-20260816-p60orj.htmlShe wants to let boomers withdraw their pensions tax free, so they can quadruple dip on the mining boom by claiming the poor pension. Nothing could make inflation worse then kapitol stimulus. Frydenberg increasing monetary supply, banks over lending to the property bubble, failing to foreclose insolvent business is how we got into this recession, so let's let the pensioners spend even more money, then let them claim cenno. Surely a fifth money printing operation will fix the first four.
>>540876311Checked and I'm actually wondering how much LNG albo exported to our neighbors considering various asian nations couldn't get it from the middle east due to the straight being closed. We have all this fuel that is offshore at the moment because the ships cannot dock due to nowhere to store the fuel, which we got probably by trading a shit ton of LNG since we have a lot of it. Another thing I have been thinking of is I noticed that fuel prices right now seem to be somewhat stable but I'm thinking that as soon as all that fuel albo made deals for to get runs dry, we don't really have another backup? I dunno tho.
>>540876397Well that will get her elected.
>>540868346
>>540876397>>540876433She said she wants to allow people using their super to purchase a property but only in certain circumstances. It's a clickbait article.
>>540876021Australians get zero out of Australian resources now other than the handful of jobs involved with extracting them. I'm saying that it's better to close shop entirely and only supply Australia itself. There won't be any financial loss because there isn't one to begin with, and the few jobs involved can be setup elsewhere doing related tasks exclusive to this country.Let Asia go cold and hungry while getting rid of the asians after seizing the assets here.
>>540876498>>540876487>>540876482>>540876433>>540876431White peoples are inherently psychopathic.. the way they are antagonizing their largest trading partner to the point of destroying their own economy is proof
>>540876311That's what we are told. But it suits certain people to tell us that. Japan for example, would greatly value direct, non USD, gas for gas exchange. Australian supermarkets would really like to run gas/solar refrigeration instead of coal power. And other counties would be very, very keen to follow that model particularly if Australia was willing to trade commodities directly with the national industries of say... Brazil, the Brazilian wheat board. NZ national dairy. Dare I say it, Chinese national industry.I mean look, practically it would be a liscence buy-back by a state export board like a water allocation buy-back. Knowing that we intended to steal it, and having no interest in being minority shareholders in a state company, their share holders would revolt and there would be a fire sale of mining stocks. Then the government would buy them, and the entire national gas output, at spot for six months until the supplier base rebounded. It would be a corporate takeover
>>540876222Checked and kek’dHuuurrrrraaaaaagggggggghhhhhhhh!
>>540876397Super is bullshit. I was full access to my money at all times tax free.Sovereign wealth / sovereign equity fund via decentralised citizen accounts with an inalienability lock. Foreign individuals or collectives cannot purchase or hold citizens' shares.Citizens can sell their shares at their own discretion, but only to other citizens or the state automated liquidation pool.If a citizen liquidates, their share is permanently retired by the pool, increasing the dividend value for all remaining citizens who hold.If a citizen who formerly liquidated their position decides to later acquire a new position in the pool, they can still do so via the national marketplace.When the state mints a new batch of national equity units to distribute to the populace, every single living citizen receives an equal amount of the new issuance.Maybe even tether it to gold and silver.
Ok if we seize the gas violently this is what we violate:>Constitutionally void without full market-value compensation to every affected owner (s51(xxxi))>Requires overriding six or seven State Agreement Acts with a Commonwealth override that has never been tested on these facts and would trigger the largest Commonwealth-State constitutional fight since the Franklin dam>Breaches take-or-pay contracts covering roughly 60+ mtpa of long-term LNG deliveries running into the 2040s>Triggers ISDS filings from Japanese, Korean, US, Chinese, UK, Canadian and EU investors under KAFTA, ChAFTA, CPTPP, AANZFTA and multiple BITs, with realistic aggregate exposure north of AUD 200 billion>Destroys the alliance architecture with Japan and Korea specifically, who are the actual counterparties, not China>Permanently reprices Australian sovereign risk — the Future Fund becomes attachable and AUD sovereign yields rise a couple hundred basis points forever>Delivers roughly zero of the strategic gain the proposal imagines, because the geopolitical framing has China backwards.Ok so basically. Speculation could cause the AUD to instantly collapse Zimbabwe style because the AUD is backed by the assumption of the rule of law.
>>540876576Lol
>>540876433Tertiary business is just screeching for more kapitol. Give people who produce nothing a billion dollars so they can buy shit from my $2 shop. Most of the covid stimulus went to supermarkets and liquor stores. That's how we ended up in this recession.
>>540869214It was a few hundred "protestors" who are part of a student union of marxists, not even making this up, they're all mindless retards who have no idea what they're even protesting
>>540869104We have the lowest ratio of star ranked officers to general personnel in the world at one star rank for every 250 regular. Our military is a joke.
>>540869104>>540876800Forgot the most absurd bit. 30% of our active military are commissioned officers.
>>540876487Yea so do the one thing which will further inflate debt markets, get centrelink to pay off boomer landlords hereditary rentals because with no jobs they can't service the interest. The quadruple dip>buy with 1% finance in 1970, defensive assets in the 70's which caused the recession then>put it in capitol super funds tax free, creating a circular debt between banks and pension funds>negatively gear your appreciating asset, siphon it off in remortgage, claim you're in net debt and refuse to pay capitol gains>dump pension into bank, tell centrelink you have zero incomeFuck just smoother them in their sleep, any of them. Why must we put up with this.
>>540876597Just stop using AUD altogeher and convert everything over to USD. Australia used the British Pound before this shitty AUD.
I once thought about how you could seize private assets such as these natural resources and not end the country. The conclusion I am to at the time, after much pondering, is that the AUD would either collapse or get funky, to counter that you must secretly buy a hard asset and create a secret currency backed by it, without anyone knowing, until you have as much of it in value as every single Australian person and legal entities (companies). Then you max our AUD debt until on the default line, turn the AUD into something real... then you seize absolutely everything including the banks. And you need to very quickly create a new bank and copy paste every single person's account then deposit your new currency.This is the only way it is worth seizing anything. Now goodluck getting the military to agree to that.
>>540876892The USA will instantly freeze it. You cannot use any other currency you need to make a new one.It's impossible anon. If you seize anything you need to do a complete currency flip into a new currency, and nobody can know about it until it happens, and you need to fix every single back account up or the people riot and the society instantly collapses. This is not simple.
>>540876498If you knew how much it would cost to build on shore storage for the gas, or how inefficient it would be extracting it as-needed, or how fucked our budget would be if we stopped selling it.My plan is realistic. State export board, corporate takeover on gunpoint terms, goods for goods exchange with the quad, half being circular trade with Japan. If we aren't getting jewed on our own gas we don't need to jew the Japanese either, so every year we'll get tons of at-cost whale meat, or whatever Japan produces. Honestly it'll probably be something dumb like whale meat, origami, wasabi.
Reminder: all Australians had to do to have a successful economy and happy life for the foreseeable future was not antagonize China but that was too much to ask of them. Australians deserve whatever misery they reap.
>>540876934This would get us bombed so fucking fast too. Which I already thought of previously.We would need to make bioweapons. And our leader gets on stage and says 'touch us and we end the world' yeah look jts not worth it. Nobody will ever trade with us again. SWIFT banking locks as many assets as we are not able to get out in time. Etc etc.
>>540876984Your plan isn't realistic.
The military themselves would just tell the government to fuck off and then report it directly to NATO.
>>540876588Well i would ask you, how much a year do you currently pay, as a taxpayer, for the medical and welfare of old people who have no super. Every cent they withdraw, becomes a cent we have to pay in welfare, plus inflation. Think of super as aged care pension paid in advance to people who work, not money withheld from wages. And as super isn't voluntary, changes to payouts would be like a nuclear bomb in kapitol markets. Workers would simply refuse outright to accept legal wages and would demand cash, pension funds wouldn't be able to invest because there would be a bank run from elderly creditors, it's beyond retarded. Pauline can barely read or write, has no minister of finance, she's taking what an individual shop keeper tells her as a national policy. It's not even a vote at the bus stop it's whichever retard yells out first.
Reminder that the gov passed legislation that gives any homeless 55+ year old the ability to go straight into aged care without an assessment.
>>540877149Those boomers are rare. Most own homes outright. Case by case makes sense.
>>540876970You make a deal with the US prior. They need a place to overshore excess liquidity anyway. >and you need to fix every single back account up or the people riotToo easy. Even better, set up a state bank with accounts for Whites only all ready to go.Excuses excuses.
>>540877547We cannot even fix the hundreds of problems with the economy but we are going to somehow pull this off. It's a fun thought experiment and that's why I previously pondered it, but it is never happening and our government would fuck it up so badly a civil war would occur and millions would die. Then we get annexed.
>>540876597Chat gpt had lied to you.Australia soverign resources can't be legally claimed by anyone, not even Australian companies, which is why on paper we sell extraction licences not the un-mined resources.Trade deals are purely diplomatic and if we violate them, we get diplomatic action from other governments. A foreign corporate can't make a diplomatic protest at all. And if instead of cutting off all our reciprocal trade partners, sitting on the gas, we offered to split the savings, instead of paying a Japanese billionaire we would be giving the Japanese government a 200 million dollars windfall.Just like our tilt at american tobacco, all these other counties would if anything, join this program to get cheap LNG from Australia and avoid us both paying corporate loss on the same gas which we ship backwards and forwards.
>>540877149The few old people who depend on it are few and far between. Just pay them out with a one-time lump sump of x amount, give them a property to live in, and leave them be.
>>540877582Australia is already annexed. It would enable the expulsion of the invasive populations.
>>540876934The AUD is actually backed by primary commodities, the more the government has for sale, the more the AUD is worth. To someone in Japan an Australian dollar is worth exactly what they can import for it. So the cheaper our LNG, the more sought after the currency needed to buy it. In fact, point of order, the US dollar is called the petrodollar because the US navy seized half the world's crude oil supply, the value of the USD being based on what you can buy with it, and crude oil is literally 3/10ths of what you can buy with a US dollar. And this is also where the Mexican economic miracle came from, the state seizure of oil fields, and Saddam built the economy of Iraq doing it. The real risk is that America bombs us, rather then an economic crash. But as the US generally relies on our military support, using Australia as a military base, they couldn't really bomb themselves. So Australia is in a unique position, just like Mexico, of getting away with this.
>>540877658It's perplexity pro-max enterprise grade not chatgpt, it is never wrong, and you are wrong on every single point.>Sovereign resources can't be legally claimed.True for the gas in the ground. Irrelevant. The petroleum title, the licence itself, is legal property, and the High Court has said so twice. WMC Resources, HCA 8 and Newcrest Mining, HCA 38 both hold that Commonwealth legislation extinguishing or shrinking a petroleum/mining title is an acquisition of property triggering s51(xxxi) just terms (HCA WMC). You compensate for the licence, the plant, the pipelines, the contracts, full market value. Roughly AUD 300bn+.>Foreign corporates can't make diplomatic protest.Correct and completely beside the point. They don't need to. Under ISDS in KAFTA, ChAFTA, CPTPP and multiple BITs, foreign investors sue Australia directly at ICSID or UNCITRAL. No government intermediary required. DFAT confirms: "A foreign investor in Australia... can use ISDS to seek compensation" (DFAT). 1,300+ known cases globally; twelve largest awards total USD 148bn>Just like our tilt at American tobacco. Philip Morris lost because Australia didn't take property, plain packaging left the trademarks intact and just regulated their display. The tribunal threw it out on jurisdiction, and PM was ordered to pay Australia's costs (ABC; Conversation). Seizing plants and cancelling contracts is textbook expropriation, the exact opposite fact pattern. Even winning cost Australia ~AUD 39m in legal fees.>Split the savings, Japan gets a windfall. Japan isn't the counterparty being paid, Inpex, Mitsui, Mitsubishi, JERA, Tokyo Gas etc. are. They own equity in Ichthys, NWS, Gorgon. Japanese government can't pocket compensation owed to Japanese private firms; that's theft under Japanese law. And METI treats Australian LNG as national energy security, a seizure is an attack on Japan, not a business deal.
>>540877658>Other countries would join for cheap LNG.No developed state will touch stolen cargoes. Sanctions, secondary sanctions, USD clearing cut-off. The buyers are Japan, Korea, Taiwan, US treaty allies who'd sanction alongside Washington. Only takers: Russia, Iran, Venezuela tier.
>>540872990Allowed foreign buyers for far too long, no capitol gains tax, and having two houses in two different area allows you to make votes in each election for the representatives of those areas so it's politically skewed toward people who own multiple homes.
>>540877114Well it's what we did with telstra, which was originally a paper company set up to nationalise our telecom. And it's how Russia formed Gazprom their state gas company. The problems only occurred decades later when these were sold off by boomers as private monopolies to corrupt oligarchs. Google it, nationalisation occurs all the time, mostly in bail outs of companies like QANTAS, instead of paying millionaire quantas investors for crashing their own company, it should also have been nationalised. Victoria in particular spent trillions on dead end infrastructure as a kind of stimulus, when there was a clear case for them to nationalise their coal plants instead. With NSW their rail system is fucked and not even standardised, instead of the NBN we should have nationalised the 5G
>>540877986>having two houses in two different area allows you to make votes in each election for the representatives ofWhat the fuck
>>540877406Doubt. 35% of homes are mortgaged or remorgaged, then count pension funds which buy rental properties and the boomers technically rents, because they're in aged care, but their fund owns 2 houses tax free. The quadruple dip is theoretical maximum generational landlording, but triple, double dip all counts by degree to a situation where the boomers jewed Australia over, and over, and over through deficit inflation.
>>540878001You've gotta be high.
>>540878124True. I know some of them right now are waiting to sell investment properties until they retire because it reduces or removes some tax.
>>540877683Actually 60% of pensioners recive a full or part cenno pension. If we let them withdraw when they already don't have enough to live on, you see how that will become closer to 90%.And Australians reaching retirement age in the next 5 years have HALF what the previous generation did. We're now looking at the boomers having stolen the pensions of not one, but two entire generations under them through rent, debt tax, tax evasion, negative gearing.
>>540878104We're a fuckin dumb nation bro, 4% of our entire population left the country last year and most of the people left are either retarded, drug addicts, stubborn, or indian.
>>540869592>It's always the countries that need us the most who hate us the most.>I have not met such anti-american people as aussies. Such vitriol America literally sabotaged our elections in 1975 and stole our national vote from us.>when we are the only thing standing between them becoming absolute and total Chinese clayWe have no say as to whether we want to make that pivot or not. Maybe we'd want to pivot Chinese, or maybe not. But that isn't our call. We have no say in it, as far as America is concerned.If any nation is going to invade us, it'll be America. As a deterrent to make clear that they really own this place. We're not Anti-American, you're Anti-Australian. And when you're pressed on it you do a 180 and start to gloat about it.
>>540878386Kek nothing like that would happen anon. China won't invde us and America won't even take us over because they're a falling and dying empire right now. The iran situation has been one big humiliation for them.
>>540878435They're not giving up this landmass to China just like that. If it comes to it, you'll see.
