would you be in favor of removing voting rights yearly from anyone with negative net fiscal impact in the preceding year?
>>540872776I'd just make some key questions like>did hasan abi shock his dog or>who won the 2020 electionsor>did elon musk throw up a heil hitler because he's an autistic spergor>should we arm Ukraineif you can't answer these correctly you can't vote.
>>540872921>>who won the 2020 electionsthis would eliminate all trump supporters from voting
>>540872776Negative? Sure.
No. Everyone should get a vote. But I might be in favor of a higher bar for some changes to be made.Like, and this is just an example, if you needed 2 thirds of the states to agree before raising federal income taxes.Basically, whatever it is that you're worried that poor people will vote for could be protected against with the same higher bar that protects human rights. So they still get to vote but it takes more than 51% of them to eat the rich or whatever
>>540872921Fuck off retard,this world would have been far better if you didn’t exist
>>540873278>higher bar for certain changesthat doesn't change the fundamental issue of a ever growing number of people with entitlements making a ever growing list of demands, it delays it at best.look at pensioners for example.with the net negative fiscal impact bar, you'd ensure that parasitic tendencies of most kinds will result in proportional loss of political control.also the default "everyone should get a vote" is a premise without grounds. It's not even consistent unless you have a world government that lets kids and retards vote as well.theres no reason why the vote should require more qualification than just citizenship and age.
>>540873656there no reason why the vote should not require*
>>540873656If the number of people with entitlements reaches a high enough number then they should have their demands met
Dependents should not get a vote, because they will always vote to continue to be a dependent. Its like having kids and weighing their opinion equally on how much allowance they deserve and how much desert they should get.No.
>>540873940should they? look at pensioners, look at the leeches on social welfare. they weigh on the back of productive people so many leave, many stop producing, either way the entitled class grows. money doesn't grow on trees.
>>540872776You could let them get a vote for existing and distribute more votes to net contributors. Like a proportional system, 1 vote for every 1000 (currency) in tax paid.
No.I would however be in facor them continuing to think their vote matters, but, with idiots in charge being mostly curled and AI making decisions base don Simplified law. Fair.
I fucking hate kirk.
>>540872776No all of these type of solutions for democracy don't make any sense. What you need is a solid basis to assess 1. stakeholder interest in the nation's success2. reasonable degree of knowledge of politics and the country situation. Some lotto ticket voting rights is retarded; you are just allowing kikes to control who votes by delivering fiscal impacts to people they don't like
I'm in favor of removing all jeets from Western countries. That before anything else.
>>540874134What you need is a solid basis to assess1. stakeholder interest in the nation's success2. reasonable degree of knowledge of politics and the country situation. What you pay in taxes is a reasonable proxy for both.
>>540873989But they're still a class of people. If they don't have representation then they could be abused. Government would do better to address the problem by creating more opportunities and incentives for them to become productive members.And pensioners are not a great example. Most of them spent their lives contributing, it isn't fair to strip them of representation just because they're too old and fucked up to work. It isn't even their choice!
>>540874207No it's not. Not in the US anyway. Foreigner groups have much higher average wage than natives since it is cheaper to employ themThey are not at all invested in the wellbeing of the country, but are actually just scab mercenaries that are loyal to their home countries
>>540872949>blurmffffLeftist shit is even worse, retard
>>540874069simply looking at tax paid isn't enough, cuz you can have individuals who pay a lot in taxes but receive even more in transfers (corporate welfare). looking at net fiscal impact eliminates this issue.also, the proportional thing, there's be a few issues: firstly you'd need to make the proportional brackets wide enough since net fiscal impact can be quite imprecise, so have 10 votes for each 100k additional fiscal impact. also this would mean that a very small number of people could end up having a loot of power. more than 41% of voting power would be in the 1% and though I'd personally love that, it's politically even harder to sell than the milder minimum 0 net fiscal impact to vote. you could maybe do a milder version, e.g. over 200k of net fiscal impact you get 2 votes instead of 1 and that's it.>>540874134the thing with doign it with yearly net fiscal impact is that the system is self adjusting: if one group increases their entitlement and/or decreases their contributions they lose a proportional amount of political power, which could mitigate leeches like perpetually unemployed, pensioners, useless academics, and neets from voting themselves more benefits at the expense of everyone else.>>540874299>they could be abusedif their welfare is cut off or their state provided economic benefits are removed they gain political power. if their taxes on them are increased, they gain political power.>creating more opportunitiesgovernment can't do that. it can only create illusions. the unseen always outweigh the immediate effects.>most pensioners spent their lives workingthey're responsible for propping up a pension scheme which burdens the younger generation which they betrayed multiple times. if they want representation, they can stop leeching.
>>540874519>the thing with doign it with yearly net fiscal impact is that the system is self adjusting: if one group increases their entitlement and/or decreases their contributions they lose a proportional amount of political power, which could mitigate leeches like perpetually unemployed, pensioners, useless academics, and neets from voting themselves more benefits at the expense of everyone else.no it's totally backwards. If one group gets control of the government, they pass money to INDUSTRIES they control, then those industries hire the voters and pay them big salaries. Salaries are bullshit when your industry is getting flooded with state money
>>540874519Pensioners aren't really leeching. They paid in.And as for the others, I would hesitate to think of votes as a gift or a privilege that can be revoked without extremely good reason. Frankly, if you take away someone's vote then they have moral high ground to advocate violent revolution (and kill you).It's better to let them cast a vote every four years. It's not like it does much anyway.
>>540874661the fiscal impact of those hired workers would be negative if money from the state is being used to pay for their salaries.I'm talking about net fiscal impact, not amount of taxes paid vs direct benefits.>>540874849>they paid inthey paid in for their old people which were a much smaller percentage of the total population. the younger generation never agreed to this retarded scheme>vote is not a privilegeit is. it is the power to decide what others should be compelled to do. why should everyone have that power? you already ask for some qualification by not granting voting rights for Swiss policies to Somali citizens, so already you ask that there's at least some skin in the game. I can guarantee you, that the 18 million people in Somalia would love to have a voice in deciding how Swiss money is spent.
>>540875550Somalians should get a vote too (in Somalia). But that's for them to sort out. It feels like you are crossing into troll territory, if you weren't already.>why should everyone have that power?Because the power is held over everyone. If some people have it and others don't then the ones that don't have a right to be upset. And since they've been stripped of their representation their options are limited. The majority tends to get their way one way or another. Democracy just makes it so they don't have to roll out the guillotine every time.
>>540876071>Somalians should get a voteok, why shouldn't they get to vote on how Swiss money is used?>everyone should have the power because so everyone would have the powerbrilliant. you should get your IQ checked. there are people who can help you.
>>540873989in canada pensioners pay into a system that reinvests their money and our pension system does well. why do swiss with all their finance knowledge not have the smarts to set up a functioning pension system? are you niggers retarded?americans also for all their "world power" dont know how to set up a pension system people pay into that reinvests and grows contributions over decades. why is that?
>>540876348Random green text.How did you manage to fail so spectacularly? You could just read it the way I wrote it instead of changing it and then complaining that it doesn't make sense.Everyone should have that power because the power is held over everyone.You are increasingly not worth talking to.
