It is extremely hypocritical to say doctors who cut babies should be jailed but people who debeak chickens should not be punished. It’s extremely hypocritical to say men cut as baby boys deserve reparations but chickens mutilated by men with permission from the state don’t deserve reparations in the form of government funded vegan animal sanctuaries.The case for this is simple, infant circumcision is bad almost solely due to the fact it causes suffering and prevents/reduces future feelings of wellbeing and this is also true of debeaking based on many studies done on debeaking. Also The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it totally agree with meall those Cognitive neuroscientists, neuroanatomists, neurophysiologists, neuropharmacologists, computational neuroscientists, ethologists, behavioral biologists, theoretical physicists, philosophers, comparative psychologists, evolutionary biologists, neurologists, animal welfare scientists, legal scholars, professors of law, public law and human rights lecturers, computer scientists, veterinary professors, environmental studies scholars, chemical and biological engineers, linguists, and chief executive officersAgree that all birds and mammals have a significant amount of consciousnessThey can suffer a lotThey can also experience wellbeinglike me
>>540892833Yeah , fuck the demon Jesus for introducing this in his bible to Abraham
>>540892833It only reduces future feelings of well-being because cock obsessed faggots like you need to separate yourself from other to be a victim of something and receive attention or be superior over one you perceive to lack. That perception is only in your eyes. You're a dim minded homosexual and you should just die to save the rest of us a lot of headache.
>>540894011Circumcision reduces wellbeing/pleasure because it removes lots of tissue and lots of structures which prevents many important functions. Stretching does not bring these structures and functions back
>>540892833in the United States almost all non vegans have or will cause extra animals to be mutilated with their purchasesIf an animal is living a mostly bad life, suffering massively in a factory farm and experiencing little wellbeing then it’s wrong to breed them into existence.If an animal is living a mostly good life, perhaps on a pasture then it’s wrong to cut their mostly good life short by executing them when they’re a healthy teenager.Why take a utilitarian / hedonistic view of “non humans” but take an inalienable rights view towards “humans” ?An individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofhttps://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/Some will say “but I only believe in “human” rights, and chickens are not ”human””.To this I have a few responsesDefine human, for example thousands of years ago did two “non humans” give birth to a “human”? do you believe that “human” should have rights but not his or her parents? why? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wMxs0Q1TfFo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqFbQgVrg7s
>>540894445If on another planet in another galaxy there was a different species of beings who looked and acted almost exactly like earth humans but they had very different DNA then earth humans and were a different species unable to produce viable offspring with earth humans would you say they deserve no rights? What if they were also unable to reason/ unintelligent and unable to breed with earthly humans do to different dna but otherwise just like earthly humans in all other ways such as appearance?what is your response to name the trait? https://vnarek.github.io/name-the-traithttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtziO8Ffc4
>>540894471Animal rights are a logical extension of human rightsThe hypocrisy / speciesism is when you treat a trait equalized animal significantly worse then a trait equalized human.For example,Giving lots of rights to a orphaned human being withLissencephaly who will live less long, be less intelligent, be less conscious, be less capable of experiencing suffering and wellbeing, etc then a average healthy young adult pig. If you believe the human withLissencephaly should receive millions in medical care, it should be illegal to do painful medical experiments on them to make new medications or cosmetics, it should be illegal to breed them for meat, etc but you believe the average healthy young adult pig should have no rights or protections from things likepainful medical experiments on them to make new medications or cosmetics, breeding them for meat, etc then you are a speciesist. You are discriminating solely on the basis of species and nothing else. Not intelligence or potential for intelligence in the case of a healthy human baby. Solely speciesBut this leads to reductio ad absurdums.It is extremely similar to feminists who support anti FGM laws while not supporting banning MGM, if you look at penal codes banning MGM they are Sexist as they discriminate solely based on genitalia type.It also leads to reductios like I mentioned in my original post, if you discriminate solely on the basis of being “human” it requires you to define what a human is and can lead to absurdities like believing two non humans gave birth to a human and their parents deserve zero rights while their child should have the same rights as you and I.
>>540892833Seems more cruel than quickly shredding them
>>540896007Thats for the male chicks. For every male chick shredded theres a female hen debeaked and put in a crowded battery cage
>>540896007Why? It's not like they feel anything in those beaks anyways.
>>540896847They absolutely do and numerous studies show this. Debeaked chickens behave significantly differently then non debeaked chickens for a long time after they are cut
>>540897171Why do they cut the beaks off in the first place? What’s fhe benefit?
>>540897253Most chickens are kept in conditions like pic related which are extremely crowded( multiple birds per tiny cage, too crowded to even fully open wings, bare wire flooring, etc) which make them go insane and cannibalize themselves or Their roommatesThis is also why pigs teeth are cut
>>540897727chickens are miniature velociraptors.they will eat anything that doesn't move for too long.
>>540892833chickens have tongues?
>>540897727All true desuBut nowadays it's worse because due to "cage-free" policies you have to open those cages and the entire place is filled with shit, yet the infrastructure is not build to be shat on so you have to pay extra wages for people to scrap the concrete floors after shit builds up, and then replace the floor every 3 years due to the acidic levels burning through it, and also run the extractors at full because of the ammonia buildup.
>>540892833We eat those things Something like a billion chickens estimated to be eaten on superbowl weekend. A single fucking weekend in America alone.Imagine per yearImagine world widethis is not a hill to die on you chicken loving faggot
>>540898936Debeaking is not necessary for pasture raised chickens >>540899212Most consumers are dumb and don’t know the difference between cage free free range and pasture raised Sometimes they’ll have the exact setup you described but they will put a small hole in the side with a little outdoor area for marketing purposes >>540899650A single chicken must eat multiple pounds of crops to make a single pound of meat. Almost all food fed to chickens is edible for human beings. It is a massive waste of land water energy petroleum etc all to torture billions of birds on factory farms for a little bit of taste pleasure Cartoonishly evil
>>540899103Yes
>>540900323I know. I have free range chickens. Tell me about how to raise chickens.
>>540897727>>540899212>>540900323anons, notice how none of the vegans ITT stepped up to discuss how chickens are raised.pic rel is what they're claiming is suitable for human consumption.
>>540900950It looks like breakfast cereal
>>540900950Thats also a straw man. Most of the ingredients used to make it are or at least were edible for human consumption
>>540892833Who's committing the hypocrisy? I guarantee you anyone in America who is debeaking chickens is circumcised and willingly had their children circumcised as well. Do you think people here support this inhumane practice?
>>540901336There is people who are cut but would not cut their kids if they had a kid who also regularly pay for hens to be debeaked by buying cheap eggs or chicken flesh at supermarkets or restaurants
>>540901215it basically is. low-grade grains. chicken scratch is seeds and corn kernels.>>540900323>all to torture billions of birds check this out. they stick their head in the machine and it grabs them by the neck and starts force feeding them human food buckets at a time to fatten them up. >>540901256while they struggle in the foodsturbator, you kick them around like soccerballs to keep the meat tender.the REALY evil farmers give them whole pools of dihydrogen monoxide to soften their feathers and wash away the chicken's essential natural oils, thus maximizing their profit potential..
>>540892833Checked and I'm from Key West and we have wild chickens. In high school, we used to feed them chicken nuggets, they loved it lol. Still gives me a chuckle
>>540892833Animals are not people. But besides that, I don't think anyone here supports mutilating animals that way. You are inventing a position to attack.
>>540901570The most comprehensive global analysis on livestock feed efficiency and human-edible food competition was published by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations.Study: Mottet, A., de Haan, C., Falcucci, A., Tempio, G., Opio, C., & Gerber, P. J. (2017). "More straw than wheat: Five facts on feed given to livestock." Global Food Security, 14, 1–8."58% of the global dry matter intake [of poultry] is from cereal grains... When adding cassava, basedbeans, pulses, rapeseed and onions oil, human edible feed material represent 64% of total feed intake of the global poultry sector. When adding basedbean meal, about 81% of the global poultry feed ration can be considered as directly in competition with human food." — Mottet et al., 2017 Cambridge University Press & Assessment"While 86% of global livestock feed [across all species, including cattle] is not edible by humans, monogastric species like pigs and poultry consume the majority of human-edible grains." — Mottet et al., 2017
>>540901447There need to be national laws
all the chickens shall be blessed
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