This is why nationalism is stupid.
>>540893831He was an ambulance driver btw and hardly served
>>540893831>nationalism is stupidYea, let's remove all borders because Hemmingway didn't want to die for his country...
>>540893831He also made his son trooning out
>>540893939yeah, seeing all the maimed and dying soldiers surely didn't affect him at all
>>540893831if your talent is writing then you shouldn't be on the battlefield, you should be chronicling it.
Nationalism has always been bullshit. It used to be a way for the wealthy to keep peasants in check - instead of "I own this and you work and die for me" it became "We own this and you work and die for the common good of our nation". In reality though an average man did not receive much benefits from belonging to the nation, but could cope with that, imagining he shares some of the elites' glory. Now the concept of nationalism has been abandoned by the elites not because they have betrayed the peasants, but simply because they had never had any allegiance to them. Today its more profitable to import new cheaper peasants from abroad, so nationalism scam goes into the rash and they pull out the multiculturalism and tolerance card to keep the mases from infighting within their domain. Nationalism was not abandoned per se, it never existed as a real ideology shared by those promoting it. Even in Nazi Germany an average Hans was freezing to death under Stalingrad for bullshit reasons, while party elites were having affairs with mistresses and partying. It was used just to get control over the masses and did not go any further. Nationalism can never work because it is fundamentally unnatural, - race and ethnic solidarity is not a thing and thus will not convince a rich influential elite to equate himself to a commoner.
For a hyper-individualist, consumerist society with zero identity? Yeah, ofc.For a cohesive, tradition-focused nation that actually prioritizes its own people over globalist masonic interests? Not at all. Now take your manipulative, nihilist wordplay somewhere else Jew/Mason/Libtard.https://youtube.com/watch?v=EgSw8V6OLXg
>>540893831nationalism is not dying for your country, a country is now: an economic zone flooded with browns and dominated by jewish market propaganda. Nationalism is living and dying for your Family, People and Race.
>>540893831>just shut up and give your country away to pajeets, goy
>>540895323>dogshit slavgtp takeyou should kys
>>540894210Hemingway was a shitty writer anyway
>>540893831Imagine if the tribesmen all collectively decided to just share with their neighboring tribes and died when food literally ran out, as in the buffalo herds fleeing north. All nationalism is in reality is protecting your assets from others or gaining more for yourselves and if you are against that, you are welcome to become an hero to give your share away.
>>540893831> butchered dogWas Hemmingway retarded?- we don't butcher dogs- butchered animals don't get left to bleed out in mud
>>540893939So I imagine he saw plenty of men dying for nothing
>>540895323>Today its more profitable to import new cheaper peasants from abroad, so nationalism scam goes into the rash and they pull out the multiculturalism and tolerance card to keep the mases from infighting within their domain.I fully agree with this zigger.Since kings and other fat fucks stopped lead their own armies in battles, it is pointless to participate in wars for any case but money.
>>540896129>- we don't butcher dogs>- butchered animals don't get left to bleed out in mudHave you seen Chinese wet market?In times of Hemingway they were more popular around the world.
>>540893831Does this statement applicable for hohols who die for Kiev's regime?
>>540897588Ziggers participate in the special military operation for money.
>>540893939hilarious sentiment in line with your thought process, hills like white elephant is dumb as fuck because you can get an abortion as easily as a hamburger
>>540893831Mankind is meant to serve and die for a Greater Man, not for a jewish slave.
>>540893831Hey buddy, looks like you mix patriotism and nationalism.Anyway have a good day.
>>540893831the illiad as translated by fitzgerald was a fabulous read
Why are pajeets so ugly and stupid?
Nationalism isn't necessarily warlike.Hitler was just a bit of a retard.He would've gone down in history as one of the best leaders of the 20th century if he had just stuck with domestic policies instead of being a wanna-be warlord.
>>540895323>wealthyDefine wealthy
>>540893831Fake quote btw
>>540895323>Now the concept of nationalism has been abandoned by the elites not because they have betrayed the peasants, but simply because they had never had any allegiance to them. Today its more profitable to import new cheaper peasants from abroad, so nationalism scam goes into the rashYup. Of course, now abandoning nationalism and importing foreigners has destroyed social cohesion, and made us ineffective. Check what's happening in the Iran War.
>>540895323too smart for this shitholeonly a matter of time before some inbred hillbilly starts calling you a commie
>>540893831Look if you give up on nationalism, you give up on the basis of civilization. The entire point of people investing in a civilization is so that we have a common basis to organize our defense. If you say you don't care about any of that, then you are a parasite and anyone who cares about civilization should kill you and or send you away. The end state of your nihilism is a river of blood as everything is taken by one warlord after another who gives your treasures to his soldiers
>>540893831Ernest probably wrote that because his anarchy commie buddies got smoked in Spain and they enjoyed many years of a pseudo fascism until the old guard died out in the 60s. They just forgot to train the youth to take the torch.
>>540893939Nothing better than driving a war ambulance to see the absurdism of war.
>>540895323High IQ post.
>>540897969Yeaah ... He should have stopped when Poland said no, but the deal with the Soviets was probably too tempting to pass up, it would be stupid to ignore that opportunity, which eventually became a lifeline for the Jews and Masons (kinda like Pearl Harbor and US). Although I believe the Anglos would have found a way to declare war on the Germans eventually, likely alongside the Soviets, due to immense pressure from the Jews.
>>540893831dying for your country is cringekilling for your country is basedsimple as.
>>540896037>All nationalism is in reality is protecting your assets from others or gaining more for yourselvesThis is not "nationalism". This is basic human behavior.
>>540898222Thrre is nothing smart in what he said, gross generalities.You are a inbred shitskin, you can't fathom what is intelligent or not.
>>540898228why keep up the facade if you know it's all bullshit at the end of the day?let it all burn i say
>>540898592You would say that. I say I want to be the one doing the burning
>>540893831Everyone saying this would shit and piss themselves if there were declared traitors by their own nation, stripped of property, citizenship, passport and other documents and exiled forever. If it wasn't for your nation you would be living in the jungle like Tarzan.
>>540898528>KILLING FOR UR COUNTRY IS BASED SIMPLE AS!!Go kill some foreign schoolgirls for some of your fellow tranny niggermutts then
>>540898645Oh,and ideally they should be mindwiped before getting exiled, since their education came from their people and institutions, which are part of the nation.
>>540898645> exiled forever where
>>540898982International waters or in space.
>>540893831what centuries of living over the shoulders of other people does to a mf
>nah bro it's not worth it,just open borders and chillSounds like what an efeminate anti-white Jew snake would say.
>>540899155The north or south poles are also options.
>>540893831Countries in the modern form are corrupted. Obviously one should not die for lines on a map. Real nationalism is about your people.
>>540893831The noble lie is needed for goyciety to function. Nothin personell>>540895323Multicellular life has always been bullshit. It used to be a way for one group of cells to keep other groups of cells in check by telling them "you work and die for the common good of our body". In reality though an average cell did not receive much benefits from belonging to the body.
>>540893831not nothing, a brand new lada. $145,000 for your family
>>540895323>In reality though an average man did not receive much benefits from belonging to the nation, but could cope with that, imagining he shares some of the elites' glory. Now the concept of nationalism has been abandoned by the elites not because they have betrayed the peasants, but simply because they had never had any allegiance to them. Today its more profitable to import new cheaper peasants from abroadalright then fagot, erase your borders with india
>>540893831>T. Dying for your country is a patriotic fairy tail, in reality you will [insert physical description of an instance of death in warfare], for no reason I, a huge faggot will personally accept, so I'll just call it nothing.
>>540895323Race and ethnic solidarity is all there is.
>>540893831You don't just die for your country, you die for your nation and the people that are a part of it, specially your family. The people who stormed the beaches of Normandy did it not because they saw some zoomer edits on TikTok and became fervent nationalists, but because they saw a threat that was coming their way. The idea that nationalism makes you want to fight and die in a war, or just support any war for no reason, is dumb.
>>540893831A country is not a nation, as you well know, kikel.https://youtu.be/aNfM7xnUaOc
>>540893939you're a son of a faggot
>>540900482yes until the same people who you "share" the same "race" with start to disagree with you and you have enough power to "make them go away"
>>540900918people infight even within the same family, fathers against sons, brothers against brothers, you name it, if it's dumb chimping for stupid reasons, this species got you covered, so what then? should we seek to live like hermits isolated in the mountains(ngl that's kinda admirable)
>>540900918>race existing doesn't make the world a utopia where nothing bad happens.>ergo, race doesn't exist.That's an insane approach.
>>540893939>He only saw how the sausage was made he was never a sausage himself
>>540893831WHITE POWERRRRRRRRRRR
>>540897736So it's ok.There is no other point to fight in modern wars. Especially to defend interests of people that would willingly replace you with Pajeets.
Leftists>nationalism is stupid Also leftists>FREE PALESTINE
>>540901261I pray I ran into one of those clowns I'm going to have all the arsenal ready(Palestinians are fascist, there's no such thing as true Palestinian, land belongs to everyone, Palestinians are already a mix of X, Y, Z.... everyone can be a Palestinian, people have always died in wars get over it)
>>540901081Race literally doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things and is more or less a made up thing. People point to German race or Anglo race or whatever but these things aren't real and no one but haplo-schizos care about exact genetic groupings.
>>540895884Everything he ever wrote sounds dreadfully boring anyway desu
>>540901494Incorrect. Race is real, and is one of the only real things you can build a civilization around. This knowledge is ancient, and denying it has been a known vector for tyranny and the destruction of civilization. It has happened again, and again, and again through history.
>>540895323You’re Russian (basically some mongol/euro mutt creature.) You wouldn’t get it. You “people” have never been a pure race or nation, just a cum receptacle for durkas, kikes, steppe niggers, vikings and Mongols. This post is a perfect example of why Hitler (rightfully) didn’t see you as Aryan.
>>540893831Hemingway shot himself and couldn't maintain a stable relationship
>>540901666It's ironically your mindset that leads to corruption. The need to dominate some other is a sickness in your soul.
>>540901893Not really counter examples...lots of becaje more multicukti and collapsed or run by ethnoreligios cohort using everyone else as cannon fodder then collapsed in that list...
>>540901494>Race literally doesn't matterFuck you're stupid.
>>540893831The right used to understand this. What happened?
>>540893831nhemingway was a miserable alcoholic wife beater that blew his brains out with a shotgun
>>540901893>The Ottoman EmpireU dont know wha ure talking about mutt
>>540902214What does that prove? Society is still hung up on victorian era sensibilities?
>>540902546Different races have different impulse controls which create different societies. Again, fuck you're stupid.
>>540901893>Yugoslaviawtf was this a typo or are you so brown/retarded you added possibly the best counterargument to your babble?>Roman Empire>Greeceah yes nearly identical Italics and Hellenes building those civilizations is just like sparkling indians and niggers everywhere because in Ionia they said xeinos while in Attica they said xenos wow you sold me man>Chinayeah man such diversity, literally the same exact group of yellow river farmers is just like air dropping africans in the middle of helsinki
>>540902126Culture matters more than race. Multiculturalism is only okay if the cultures involved are super liberal about tolerating others.
>>540902655Retard
>>540902828Thanks for proving you have zero understanding of how different races actually operate. Again, holy fuck you're stupid.
>>540899762That is one way to completely miss the point. "Erasing borders with India" is exactly what numerous countries are doing right now to various degrees, along with a bunch of other ones in the Global South for the whole sake of extracting new cheaper peasants from there to exploit. A British prime minister, despite sharing both religion and race with the people he was elected to lead will import hoards of foreigners, knowing full well his fellow countrymen will be the ones suffering from his actions. Because this is profitable. A rich American businessman, despite being white, like many of his fellow Americans, will actively promote H-1B visas because to him an Indian worker is cheaper than an American citizen. A French monarch of the past would send hundreds of thousands of French soldiers to their deaths just because he wanted to expand his personal domain a bit or stroke his ego with glorious conquests. Sure, you may have some short-lived solidarity with a fellow commoner of the same race, but all of this is thrown out the window the moment any conflict of interest emerges between the two of you. This is exactly why nationalism is complete bullshit - it is being paraded as some kind of unifying factor that is supposed to completely eclipse all other differences within a race/ethnicity, but in practice it gets abandoned the moment one party gets the opportunity to exploit another for a marginal benefit.
>>540902921Retard I bet your skull is retard shaped
It’s only a fairytale in modernity. In the old days warriors died on the battlefield reaching for glory, honor, and material success. Only in the modern nation state is the warrior sent to die anonymously and ignobly and then discarded. In all just societies, the people who fight form the de facto aristocracy.
>>540894196nationalism has nothing to do with borders. nationalism is when people put the state above themselves, which is retarded because the state is the enemy.
>Dying for nothing Sounds like the opinion of a nihilistic loser. Washington and his men fought a war for independence. They died for their country. They created a country that lasted 250 years on the principles they established. I am sure tons of men died like dogs in the mud, but they knew the risk and died for something more than them. There are wars worth fighting in spite of what the cowards will tell you.
>>540901893>roman empireExpanded when it was roman. Famously fell due to multiculti (i.e. ignoring race)>united statesLiterally founded for white people. Decayed after multiculti (i.e. ignoring race)>ChinaCurrently racially dominated. Has fallen before where the conquering race destroyed the ruling race (i.e. multiculti)>USSROverthrown by racial supremacists (jews), and only settled into a stable state post expulsion when they dialed back on multiculti.>yugoslaviaThe modern cautionary tale for multiculti.Were you trying to argue my point for me?
>>540902743Culture is downstream of race. If you erased everyone living in japan and replaced them with indians you'd have india, not japan.
>>540903213No it isn't. Culture is created by people in close proximity race does not matter in that case.
>>540902986>dark triad psychopaths are in rule and used explicitly anti-nationalist rhetoric to perform divide and conquer and thus make their rule more solid>this is somehow a fault of nationalismplease never stop avatarfagging with cartoons so people after losing enough braincells stop reading altogether
>>540893831the point is not to die for your country, but to make the other guy die for his
>>540903045Well we all know yours is since you don't understand racial differences.
>>540903338>Didn't get itUh huh
>>540903283Little Tokyo completely debunks this. Fuck you're stupid.
>>540893831>>540895323nationalism is fine, the problem is when the ruling class sees themselves as a separate "nation" or they actually are. thats when you get planned depop wars and mass foreigner importation
>>540903090They died for jews. Nationalism well understoud can't happen in USA. You refuse to admit that, it cause you more troubles than anything.White, Catholic Americans should move back to Europe, it's pretty clear now.
>>540893831It's not because whites die for israel, so it's worth it
>>540902412Correct. He was a loser. After his divorce the ex wife had a penny embedded in a glass brick at the end of her swimming pool so she could show her guests, "I took his last cent!" God bless her.
Labor not to be rich-Bible
>>540903421It really doesn't. The existence of places like that are partially due to certain material incentives and historical segregation. Other than that those people are culturally still American. You misunderstand culture a unchanging object frozen in time and space but culture is organic because it comes from people and it changes form and meshes with others over time.
>>540895323Imagine building something sacred in this hell of a realm.Imagine the group of people that build this Good all share some flag, language, symbols, and, most importantly, genetics.That is what a good nation is, and it is worth dying for. Nationalism for such a nation is entirely justified. The problem with current nations is that they are actively exploiting the nationalistic inclinations of their citizens for goals that do not benefit the nation.In short, you are a midwit retard.
>>540893831hemingway was a jew or spiritually jewish
>>540903682>they don't speak English>they don't follow any American traditions or norms>they still follow their hundred year old Japanese traditions and norms>but they're still culturally AmericanFuck you're stupid.
>>540902986Why do you keep posting pics like that? Are you trans or a girl? Genuinely asking, not trying to attack you or anything like that
>>540903908I don't think you know what you are talking about or have ever been to one of these places.
>>540903077Natioalism is the state? Or is it the culture and nation you were born? And why is that leftists politics are any better? like you say Nationalism is not good but your ideology is perfect? At least have the decency to tell what is your ideology, but if you hide it just proves you love to live in a world of lies.
>>540893831SEND ME
>>540893831I prefer to die in the mud than live among foreigners and troons.
>>540895323>you gotta hate your country and it shouldnt mean nothing to you>we should all share equal wealth despite being less or more important factors in society>gay fucking animated loli tier reaction imageCommie, pedo, jew tranny
>>540904018Yeah, Im proving to a retard that races are indeed real and you have zero fucking clue what youre talking about. It's quite clear you're a moron.
>>540893831>quoting a communist homosexual coward
>>540904366Nationalism is stupid though but for entirely different reasons. If you are a nationalist you are also a communist/homosexual.
Would my country die for me? No? Thought so. My dog would, by the way.
>>540904280Race is real I never said it wasn't. But your pseudoscience around race is not real.
>>540897969All sucessfull natinalisms were expansionists, at first offten to unify various states (Germany, Italy) then to conquer more (previously mentioned + England and others). In practice every system and its elite want to expand and multiculturalism and universalism proved cheaper and easier in this regard. Small nation nationalism was allways just proxi for big powers play (if sucessful) the organic movements at most ended up in chimpouts that were put down.
>>540893831Patriotism != nationalism. Dying for your country != dying for your people.
>>540893831He is right for WWI and WWII but not necessarily for every war ever. Hemimgway should have read John Keegan's books
>>540904460Would you die for your dog?
>>540893939>the guy that saw the dead people and tried to take them to safety knows nothing on thisbig aussie L
>>540903077>nationalism>stateYou are really retarded, I'm not even trolling
>>540904601No, and I wouldn't ask or want him to do that either. I just know that he would.
Based.Thanks for reminding me to read my Hemingway books.
>>540900918>projectionOver in Europe we invented various institutions and traditions to deal with disputes.I appreciate in Morocco you would just kill and eat each other, I'm sure that works very well for you.
>>540904702If you wouldn't die for your dog, but he would die for you, is the situation so different from your country not dying for you, but you dying for your country?
>>540903283That's incorrect. Otherwise you wouldn't have ethnic gettos.
>>540904849In China they eat dogs. I think it's more like that
>>540893939You're a fucking moron
>>540904753>Over in Europe we invented various institutions and traditions to deal with disputes.You mean like this? Or when you fire bombed your own place of origin in Germany? Or like the famine you induced on the Irish by selling their food abroad and letting them buy or keep none?And that's just in Europe
>>540902018>can't read>associates solidarity between whites as a nascent threat of dominationbasketball american
>>540905134>solidarityLol
>>540902828No, he is correct. Civilization and, in homogenous civilizations, culture is downstream of race. Different civilizations have operated on different expectations and rules as a result of the creating race. Ignoring this is like saying the earth is flat.I take that back- if Dr James Watson, Co discoverer of DNA and Nobel prize winner, had said the earth is flat he'd still be an accepted academic and not had his Nobel prize literally taken away from him. He'd be seen as a bit eccentric. What he did lose his Nobel for and be shunned by academia was comment on racial differences. He only discovered the base pairs / code that constitute and govern all living creatures.
>>540900918Let me guess, you are a casawi mystery meat nigger?
>>540905119If Europe is just as full of conflict as the various nations of the global south and still left you in the dust, there must be something peculiar about Europe nations that creates success. :)
>>540904849Yes, it's different because I would never force him to die for me.
>>540903286He did use examples of batinalistic rhetoric used in the past. The problem with natinalists (or any other ideologues) is they believe in some ruler that would care about interests of their people (if its even possible, as even people from same nation have differdnt interests), instead of realising all elites are or become dark triad psyhopats. Thus their rhetoric doesnt matter, as they change it in accordanxe with current interests (as seen now, we have humanist rhetoric toward migration, but bationalistic toward Russia). As a pleb, the one thing to realize is that for any elite you are just a pawn, cattle, goy etc. and no elite is your friend and ideology is just a tool of elite.
>>540905841Muh "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared (((Diamond))) explain all of this! The person you were replying to must be very smart. Naturally were all wrong about race and civilization because (insert any argument from the book about why europeans conquered the world and not the other way around)!When I first read that book I thought it made sense. Then on a second read I realized it was masturbation fodder for polite society, and catnip to other races and retards.The Japanese are essentially the British of the Pacific, and yet his theories, completely ignoring IQ for the most part, are that when re-introduced to the world and their isolationism ended they rapidly advanced in technology. Africa and much of the "global south" were given trillions of dollars and advanced technology and they can't maintain what was given to them let alone build anything new.To be certain his book is right on in a few aspects in that environmental pressures are what created success and resultant civilizations; e.g. whites, Japanese etc had to work together and plan into the future to feed themselves because of the climate. This indeed led to higher IQ selection by nature. However this doesn't explain why then sub Saharan Africans (niggers) never invented the wheel, and did not bother to dig and utilize the incredible amount of natural wealth under their very feet. They had it all there.End of rant
better to die for something greater than yourself than to live without opportunity
>>540906393Everyone else knows this, more or less. The hordes of the global south are 100% race-realists, that's why they're constantly killing each other.The racial egalitarianism sophistry is only applied to Euros because, ironically, we are so un-racist we actually give it the time of day.
>>540893831This sounds like one of those dumb things that leftists say to try and sound smart.
>>540893831This same drunken cocksucker wrote Red Army propaganda. Fuck him.
>>540893831Written by a faggot that killed himself lmfao. Fuck off op and an hero yourself like your hero.
>>540893831i dont think he had flooding civilized societies with endless browns & abandoning all borders on his mind when he wrote this—
>>540893831>dont ever fight for you country because dying suckswow, what a philosopher
>>540893831bars
>>540893831If you have a nice, homogenous country, why wouldn’t you? Obviously for the modern west there’s no point unless it’s civil war.
>>540895323>Nationalism has always been bullshitWe used to be clans i.e. big families. You wouldn’t fight for your family, faggot? You’d let some cunts just roll over you?
Hemingway was a fucking leftard faggot.Fuck him.
>>540893831Everyone dies like a dog eventually.
If your country has nukes and would rather send you to die then yea you should not fight
