DDR6 will be universally cheap everywhere on Earth except for Mutts who will be banned from affordable tech
>>540900824china has already refused to lower the chip prices
>>540900824I wish this was true.But this is one of the areas China mostly lags behind the USAIn some cases more than 5 or even 10 years behindSo unless you can post what new technological development enables thisI am skeptical
>>540900951China is still the good guy (relatively (
>>540900824I fucking knew it! Lol fucking Americans think they rule the world after they Pluck every feather and give it to our enemies.
>>540901063Anon you have no fucking clue. They have their own AI now. They have the tech. They have automated phone factories. China is way more developed than India or the USA. Like you have 1.8 billion of you and they have 1.6 billion of them. They have actual industry. You have shit eaters, juggernaut trains and melting roads
>>540900951But of course. They will mass produce cheap for themselves and perhaps Russia but their exports to the West will undercut western prices by a small margin only.
>>540900824It turns out the usual names are buying up all the Chinese chips, slapping on their brand names, and reselling to us for full price.
>>540900824Mikrochips are fake and gay.
>>540901063Why do jeets always cope? Is it because they realize they should've been able to accomplish the same feats as China but didn't because they're literal subhuman streetshitters?
>>540901085They want us at their feet, begging for goodies.
>>540900824>except for Muttsand the EUseriously the first world will become the butt of every joke because of the artificially maintained tech and resource scarcity here
>>540901304bruh wtfi bought 128 GB for that much when i built my rig in 2020...
>>540901234That is an impressive rant but I am afraid you are CLUELESSChina still cannot manufacture state of the art EUV Lithography machinesNext time go and read up on the subjectBefore you defile the halls of high quality serious /pol/ discussions
>>540901304Lexar is Temu-tier chink garbage. Never buy anything from Lexar if you don't wanna waste your money.
>>540901063>5 or even 10 yearsSo equal to what most of us including myself are running right now?
>>540901356 See >>540901442
>>540900824NUMBER 11 CRASH AND BURNCHINKS ON SUICIDE WATCHhttp://www.google.com/search?q=china+collapse
>>540901464OP mentioned DDR6.That requires EUV LithographyThe Chinese claim to have developed something new hereBut that is nothing compared to the state of the art EUV lithography machinesThat are manufactured by the main company that makes these which would be Dutch or Danish I forget which oneAnd America pressured them to restrict or even ban sales to China
>>540901395Have you been sleeping under a rock? Sam Antitrustman shat up the entire parts market last year.
>>540901377As opposed to our vampiric elites sucking every single penny of excess value out of us and our nations and slowly increasing their power over our lives.
>>540901445What about Corsair?CXMT = Chinese btw. Not sure why this image didn't make that more clear.
>>540900824There's only 1 type of man I've ever been jealous of and that's the Americans who have gone to war against Asian nations. There's literally no other place I'd rather invade and plunder. I'm going to be balls deep in tight chink pussy 3x a day. I can't fucking wait! By all means, please tap that sign!!
>>540901653Why the fuck do you care about DDR6? Let's worry about making DDR4 and DDR5 affordable first.
>>540902036Because OP mentioned DDR6?
>>540902078OP is wrong and probably a 1pbtid bot.
>>540900824god, please. i just want to play video games without taking a fucking loan out on a new PC. i'm not asking for a lot here
>>540901729It's hard to get any chips at all so I understand why some trusted brands would choose to use chink chips. Lexar used to be decent when it was owned by Micron, but they got bought by a chink company and the quality of their products became trash.
>>540901931go be a racemixer somewhere else
>>540900824They get delivered with a backdoor directly to your RAM.
>>540900824Will it arrive in two more weeks? Also apple already made a deal with them and they sure are known for customer first affordable approach
>>540902078It’s worst
>>540900824well the alternative would be a to drag both Altmann and the memory cartel to court for price fixing. Not going to happen because Lutnick is also involved.
>>540900824China can't even produce baby formula without turning it into a deadly arsenic lead mix or producing aspestos children clothing if you let them 10sec unsupervised so the best they might get is bootleg DDR6 ram with DDR1 specs that for some reason randomly blows up as always.
>>540902191Shut the fuck up, tramp. You had your chance.
>>540902168Don't apologize for the price fixing cartel.
>>540900824>Global Timeskek even if China could produce reliable DDR4 RAM at scale, which they can't, and people would be stupid enough to buy Chinese RAM, meaning you risk compounding data corruption, that would still put them nowhere near DDR5 or DDR6 production capability for the foreseeable future and certainly not in any position to compete with SK, US or Japanese memory manufacturers even remotelyDDR6 that is MIC is ETA ~10 years out in the most wildly optimistic case, of course CGTN cope is predictably deceptive
>>540900824>except for Mutts*and their vassals
>>540900824we NEED to make owning a pc too expensive for the goyim. everything they need can be provided for by subscription services
>>540903231>even if China could produce reliable DDR4 RAM at scale, which they can't,DRAM is very simple in structure, reverse engineering is easy.The hard part is to constantly research for better ways to increase the % of functional chips.By 2027 they will have made the initial batch of 25 DUV machines for research and calibration and feedback to the production of DUV.By 2030 the production will scale up, Dutchfags will no longer have monopoly on DUV, that's your bread and butter income going up in smoke.
>>540903312>cope cope cope>moar copeWhat are you Aussies even known for besides Crocodile Dundee, Steve Erwin, and widespread degeneracy? Seethe moar.
>>540903468That is an elaborate prophecyBut better to wait and watch until it actually comes true
>>540900824Why should they crash prices to save obese American consumers when they can undercut the 700% inflated price by 10% and profitmaxxx.
>>540900824Everyone knows that once the chinks start production they do not stop until they corner the market, they will find the way to expand their fabs and mass produce ram, they are now selling at the same price as the American companies do to capitalize on the profits but once they expand the market will be flooded with cheap ram and SSDs, Korean zoomers will be throwing themselves from the roofs once their Fabs cannot compete.
>>540903639>Why should they crash prices to save obese American consumers when they can undercut the 700% inflated price by 10% and profitmaxxx.see>>540903677>Everyone knows that once the chinks start production they do not stop
>>540900824except that they want in on the profit lmao
>>540901664I'm sorry to hear that you failed in life.You are mistaken if you think that you would have had more success under totalitarian Chinese rule.
>>540901442You're the one who's clueless given you have no understanding of the trajectory China's semiconductor industry and research has been over the past two decades.
>>540903622>prophecyThat's just good old roadmapping.5 units has been produced, they are expanding gradually and they improve the machine builds. The 2027 version is a more final version that can be used for calibrating test wafers and lay down the exact process optimisations.EUV is not relevant for China right now, this is a parallel development done by 3 other independent teams, so even if you manage to sabotage one of them, the others will continue on.The Dutch knows DUV is is their main income.The Chinese knows DUV is the Dutchs' main income.The Chinese will grab this for themselves first.
Why should I believe that the AI arms race isn't a bubble that is soon going to burst?All of these companies are billions of dollars in debt, have no meaningful revenues, have made no meaningful progress in their R&D, are all indebted and in deal with one another, and are sitting on a shit ton of depreciating, potentially soon to be obsolete capital?I'm watching like a hawk and will sell and take my profit when this shit collapses. What a huge gamble they all made, either they are prolonging the inevitable or they know something internally that we the public don't and it's inspired them to take this gigantic risk in the first place.
>>540901063>5 or 10 years behindRAM from 5 or 10 years ago is still perfectly usable and valuable today. It’s just that it costs way more now. The same exact RAM kits that cost $150 in 2020 cost like $600 today.
>>540902036How is picrel not affordable for anyone who has a job?
>>540903868China lags behind the west in DUV lithography as wellChinese DUV machines also currently are not state of the art as compared to the Dutch machines
>>540903982I got 128GB for the same price when I built my computer in 2021. You’re paying the same amount for 1/4 as much
>>540903937Please see >>540902078
>>540903937This. There are higher end units from 10 years ago that outperform the mid-range units of today in some scenarios.
>>540903861>trajectoryI wish I had magic and a crystal ball
>>540904031You can keep coping and hoping, but it won't do you any good.Getting their hands on existing tech and refining it to a better version is China's specialty.
>>540904056If China floods the market with cheap DDR5 then it will exert downward pressure on the price of DDR6. You’ve also provided no reason to think that chinks are that behind because it seems as though they’ve been closing the gap and this “China is 10 years behind” is a relic of a talking point from the 20th century
>>540903982Because pic related is normal pricing. I don't even think RAM is the biggest issue; storage is. Without affordable hard drives we can no longer archive.
>>540900824Which will in turn crush the AI boondoggle. When you pare everything away and just evaluate the financial flows, it's clear that the entire basis of revenue generation is based on wildly inflated memory costs. That's literally it. It's a circular flow that feeds into the vortex of inflated memory chips. Once that's gone, there will be nothing to anchor these AI scams.
>>540904127Looks like you have severe reading comprehension problemsI mentioned 5 t0 10 years lag in the context of EUV Lithography machines.Try and understand discussion context before rambling off tangent
>>540904277>10 years lag in EUVThat's still enough to ruin your lunch eventually, they will get there.But first they will destroy your DUV income.
>>540901653It's Dutch ASML.Anyhow, the Chinese do have some older models of their EUV machines and are working on their own designs.It will take them a decade or so to compete at the bleeding edge but that's fine because not everyone needs the bleeding edge stuff.
>>540904120
>>540901304>ban all white men capable of building such things, force taiwan to use black helpers>fail spectacularly>apple, how do we magically make ram sticks appear out of thin air? It is a sad state of affairs
nobody cares about DDR6
>>540903982> 200 Yuro Bucks for just 32 GBLOL!
>>540900824Yeah...you are used to shooting your both legs...with submachine gun.
>>540900824I wish Coward Nutlick would choke on an egg-shaped penis
>>540904120bing bong neehaw
>>540901276it's not how they work.
>>540900824The Western elite dreamed of building a technofeudalism where they would control all technology and keep it in the cloud, forbidding others from creating it, just as feudal lords forbade peasants from building mills, forcing them to use only their own. China is putting an end to these plans.The plan was, in fact, pathetic and naive from the very beginning, inevitably causing a huge amount of discontent. But the Westerners, again, thought that the great US fleet would simply suppress all discontent, and that some kind of Ukrainian sarduchars would help deal with threats on the ground.
>>540904112you also wish China wasn't about to catch up to euv
>>540903468>By 2027 they will have made the initial batch of 25 DUV machines for research and calibration and feedback to the production of DUVSo, what you're saying then, is two more we- years. Which is presumably on the same timescale as Huawei promising to mass produce Ascend 910C "nVidia killers" by the end of>checks notes2025..Mmm-mhuh, yep, definitely going to happen!
>>540902340No one wants to see your ugly ass hapa kids.
>>540905082>two2030 is three and a half years away, Dutchfaggot.>Ascend 910CTheir electricity is cheaper than yours, they can run more of these in parallel at less cost than you.
>>540901063China comes up with a slightly cheaper way to mass produce something another country is paying them to make and they claim to have breakthroughs that put them on the cutting edge.
>>540901085Only a fool or a wumao would say something so blatantly wrong.
>>540905193>Their electricity is cheaper than yours, they can run more of these in parallel at less cost than you.A pity then, that their power issues are so bad that they cannot reliably reproduce even 0.5 of the performance of superior Western chips when factoring in actual real world performance and yields.Also, your electricity is about to get a whole lot more expensive, Chang.
>>540900824>DDR6 will be universally cheap everywhere on Earth except for MuttsI voted for this!Mazel Tov!
>>540905369>their power issues are so badlol, you can tell when the eurotard is seething extra.>your electricity is about to get a whole lot more expensiveNo, that's you.
>>540905277America is like an insane paranoid schizo country that wants to cover all their windows in tariff tinfoil and thinks the entire world is secretly in a shadow war with them. China builds a bridge and America sees it as an act of aggression. China builds a seaport and America labels it as a military asset in disguise. Just completely insane. China doesn't need to use any underhanded germ warfare on you, you guys destroy your markets on your own and aren't even seen as a competitor to Chinese manufacturers.
>>540900951Because they're at capacity already with Chinese firms. I guarantee you Huawei isn't paying the prices CXMT quoted to western companies. They'll exploit the prices to massively expand production, then the crash comes and China holds the majority of production. Unlike the South Korean and American faggots, it is in China's interest to make westerners use desktops, consoles, and phones with Chinese memory. So the prices WILL come down, but even at China's pace it will take a pair of years before they're ready to really flood the market.>>540901063Shut the fuck up jeet
>>540905605It's just boomers. They made a million fortunes by sending all of our manufacturing to China and now they're all over Fox News painting China as the bad guy because they have all the manufacturing. What's the word for this? Gaslighting?
>>540900824They already let us buy everything else from China. I don’t see why this would be the red straw. But I suppose it already started with evs
>>540905556>Huawei allegedly smuggled 2.9 million TSMC dies through an intermediary>Huawei Technologies Co.’s Ascend 910C processors, considered China’s most competitive alternative to Nvidia’s AI hardware, contain advanced components from major Asian chipmakers.>Research firms, including TechInsights conducted teardowns that revealed the Shenzhen-based company relied on advanced parts from Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC), Samsung Electronics Co., and SK Hynix Inc. to build its third-generation Ascend accelerators.>Huawei relies on stockpiled memory chips for its Ascend 910C>Huawei began shipping the Ascend 910C earlier this year, giving the market a competitive alternative to Nvidia Corp’s advanced AI processors. While the chips are fully designed in China, investigations conducted by Techinsight revealed that the dies powering the Ascend 910C originated from TSMC’s 7-nanometer process technology, contradicting the assumption that domestic foundry Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. had been responsible for fabricating the latest generation.Good luck with your feeble attempts at cognitive warfare, Chang, you're really going to need it.
>>540905605The US is the cradle of old money, which thrives on investments, aka shareholders and landlords, plus government subsidies from tax collections also flow to them. If American companies cease to be monopolies, their stock prices will fall, which means they'll have to lay off people, which means they'll pay less rent, which means fewer taxes and subsidies, and then they'll have to pay interest on a $50 trillion debt in a couple of years. And they've become so fat that I doubt the world will be able to support them even if Trump's plan for global domination through tariffs and school bombing actually succeeds.
>>540900824>Source Global Times (Chinese)CXMT DRAM is Tofu Dreg shit.
>>540901234China has no tech, their AI was closed off ChatGPT, their DDR5 is using stolen IP from Samsung. OLED and folding screens also stolen from Samsung. You chinks are just thieves.
>>540906152>allegedly>experts sayThese 3 words are the backbone of your civilisation. You can't win.
>>540901653They use DUV machines and use a special technique called multi-patterning.
>>540906152I don't care about any of that. Look, if Western and Korean companies are going to maintain their price fixing cartel and continue FUCKING CONSUMERS IN THE ASS with these prices then fuck them all. Let China or Africa or whoever else have the ability to make chips. Who's side are you on, the 0.01% corporate shareholders or the 99.99% consumers?
>>540906231If their DDR5 performed like DDR4 and they sold it for normal DDR4 prices it would be a massive benefit to consumers worldwide.
i need a good pc should i wait longer or buy before shit goes even higher
>>540907105Buy used.
>>540901063This idea that China is way behind is a boomer cope already
>>540906540Yeah. They ignore IP. The chinese advance in technology in a way that your people can only morally excuse themselves to when at war. And you hold yourselves back because of IP law. Wow. I'm sure that's their fault and not some insane Jewish bullshit on your part.
>>540907404Five crickets have been deposited to your snack menu credit score.
>>540906231>>540906540>2035>everyone can afford what would have been considered a great car thanks to Chinese EVs>cheap and plentiful Chinese hardware means personal computing is affordable>except for the US>the US is a locked down 1984 shithole>cars from outside of the US are banned>everyone is forced to buy American cars that are 30 years behind, built like a favela, and command a premium on top of that >hardware from China is banned>personal computing does not exist, you pay your technofeudal overlord of choice a subscription to use a trickle of compute from their data centersCan't wait.
>>540901234>They have their own AI now.Lol, lmao even. I love when people says retarded things with such confidence.
Even if the Dutch are ahead of the Chinese now, I feel like the Chinese should be able to get ahead just due to their numbers, especially if they try aren't confined to one single location.
>>540906588>denying infamous TSMC rebadges debacle>denying poor yields and power issues of Ascend chips>so prohibitive they're basically useless and literally stop working>denying China is going through all this trouble to maintain and gain some access to nVidia's chips to use even for the PLA>pretending anyone believes any of the shit Beijing pulls after all this>still won't show flagSorry Chang, it won't be so easy you can cheat, lie and steal your way out of this one unlike your hs and uni exams.
>>540907573cope chink
>its another "China with alien tech will cargo cult all the thirdies out of their poverty and oppressive American global rule" threadyes who even falls for this bullshit for real? i'm pretty sure 90% of the people in these threads are bots pretending to nod their yellow heads in agreement. yes China is just going to "not sell to their richest and biggest consumer market". they are just going to give it away to impoverish turdies lmfao.
>>540907170im afraid to buy some scuffed ex-mining rig because im not /g/ood enough to know what im getting and used prices are just as bad as new..
>>540900824>>540907411It's because China has hegemony on the artificial diamond trade. Diamonds are being used for semiconductors and handle heat dissipation better. By your logic we would just have access to this. Lets keep pretending its 2005 though and China hasn't raced ahead and America hasn't reached nigger dumpster fire. Innovation is dead in America, there is nothing to steal. Only thing America has going for it is nuclear tech research but that won't last long.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i45DMGjNci0
>>540907411>jewishlol, you fucking shameless chinks having to resort to cope. You really think you wouldn't shit your pants if someone stole chink tech? Considering how you fucking chinks keep posting shit like this thread boasting like you're some savior and innovator in tech but the truth is you're just lying, cheating, thieves. And when that gets out it just hurts the feelings of the chinese people, huh?You chinks claim IP laws are bullshit but then when it comes to your economy and your countries IP, all of a sudden it matters. Why? Because it always mattered and you chinks have no choice but to steal to keep up because you're over rated braindead rats so when you're caught stealing from superior peoples, you have to resort to such cope.Absolute hypocrites.
>>540903757I WOULD HAVE BEEN THE NEXT XI OF AMERICA BUT JEWS RUINED EVERYTHING
>>540908062Mining hasn't been a thing for years. Just buy on Marketplace and remember the prices listed are quite a bit higher than what sellers are actually willing to take. The best deals are from friends(lol)/family/coworkers.
>>540906231>>540906540>>540907946>>540908145Who's side are you on, the 0.01% corporate shareholders or the 99.99% consumers?
>>540907573Kek it's already there with our auto industry. We don't get affordable options so the average new car sells for over $50K.
Late last year, Trump announced that Washington would loosen controls on chip exports to China, permitting Nvidia to sell its H200 AI chip to approved Chinese firms. Winning!
>>540900824So, why is it still expensive?
>>540906231Overclocking memory is kind of useless, benefits from it are minuscule but you introduce potential stability issues.
>>540908497I'm not chinks not being fucking vermin who only steal lie and cheat. fucking dumb ass chinksect subhuman low iq cunts
>>540908744no you stupid low iq moron. its sucks at its rated speed and you can't fix it with over current which is used to stabilize poor yields because chink ram is already pushed to the max. Its a sign of shit production quality. Thats why reviewers say its wildly inconsistent from stick to stick. Shit quality control, more like the lack there of.moron chink
>>540907801Jewspaper propaganda won't save you from reality.
>>540908981>American company discovers cure to cancer>Decides there is more profit in treatment>Hides cure from the world using IP law>China steals cancer cure and brings it to marketIn this scenario who do you side with?
