Seethe, libtards. Solar is physically impossible.I'm actually a PhD scientist with my degree in thermo dynamics. I used to believe in solar panels until I remember one thing:They're impossible.Let me explain, you need energy to manufacture them. That energy comes from fossile fuels. Let's say you use X energy units to manufacture it, the energy you get out of it will always be less than X. You LOSE energy with every solar panel you make.Basically, you start with the energy of the fuel, you lose some of it, so you might as well be burning the oil.Unless someone can tell me where all the excess energy the solar panel 'makes' is coming from? Hint: you cant.I will donate $1,000 to any charity of your choice if you can answer this simple question.
>>540906862>Solar is physically impossible.Yet my a/c 24/7 is powered by the impossible, the future is bright Lambright 2028.
>>540907002That's only because you're still running on the energy that was put into it. Unless there's some magic source of energy, you are getting less than if you burned the tank of gas is my point.
>>540906862Nuclear, coal and petroleum are the future and in that order. Coal is an amazing material. The people who seek to destroy America and suffocate its dynamism hate coal because we have so much of it and it's so useful. It's very easy to filter its exhaust smoke. There's nothing at all wrong with CO2. It's oxygen for plants.
>>540906862AI made pepes look like shit
>>540907137>Unless there's some magic source of energythat's the sun
>>540907625dude is genuinely retarded, lol.
>>540906862>where all the excess energy the solar panel 'makes' is coming from?the sunit transforms the sun's energy into electrictyenergy cannot be made or destroyed, only transformedthat's exactly what the panel doesa "PhD scientist" with a degree in "thermo (sic) dynamics" would know that
>>540906862Leftists are only pro-energy until that becomes feasible they they hate it. They used to shill for nuclear power and hydro dams now you can't build either. If windmills and solar actually worked they'd be against them too
>>540906862Energy units have different prices in different markets.Chinese energy units are currently cheaper than US energy units. That'd because Chinese are less valuable than Americans and other Westerners. Their value is lower, so their energy costs less.As long as solar panels are produced by cheap (low value) Chinese people, and then used by higher value people (Westerners, whites) then the cost of production is offset by their usage in higher energy value countries.>but energy should cost the same everywhereYes it should. Bitcoin fixes this. As it's value moves from speculation to align more closely with the raw energy costs to mine and validate the blockchain, the value of Chinese increases
>>540906862>be me>be man>eat food grown by the sun>assemble solar cell from chemical+electrical process>don't bother with fancy coatings, mountings, or anything>takes a week to make 6sq ft>even my pathetic low efficiency oxide shit tier solar panel gets 5-10% of solar energy for like a few months. >That's 10-25 watts a meter squared on most of earth. >assume 4 hours of sunlight a day>600-1500 watt hours over two monthsHmmm, so if I can make a square meter of solar power that doesn't corrode away for less than 600 watt hours it wouldn't be a scam, but you are saying it's impossible? Perhaps this is more efficient than just burning wood on my steam turbine? >t. Does not own an oil well.
>>540906862The energy payback time for solar panels is 1 to 2 years of operation (where the energy they've generated equals the energy used to manufacture them, from raw material extraction to installation), and they live for 30 years, so 95% of their life cycle is extra energy. Your point is just wrong.
>>540907719After consulting with my colleges you do raise some interesting points that were not in Michael Moore's movie. Though I will have to read the literature first.Name your charity.
>>540906862generally when someone talks about solar power plants they aren't talking about photovoltaics lol
>>540906862>tell me where all the excess energy the solar panel 'makes' is coming from?It's called "the sun".
>>540908556>After consulting with my collegesyou know damn well there's no colleges, you made the whole thing up asshole
>>540906862than you must be the most retarded physician after einstein
>>540906862it's like saying you lose energy to mine radioactive elements and pouring conrete to build a nuclear energy plant
>>540906862Oil is the same>Use energy from oil to make an oil rig>Extract oil>Back where you started
>>540907137>still running on the energy that was put into it.so you're alleging there's small engines in the solar panels, and that the engines turn off when the sunlight gets too weak to maintain the illusion?
>>540906862>degree in thermo dynamics.no such degree exists, also thermodynamics is one word. oil is not fossil fuel. oil is found way underneath the fossil record. Only those who push concepts like peak oil would say "fossil fuel."oil isnt about energy as much as it is about currency backing, so you are wrong across the board with your naive argument. keep your thousand dollars, dumbass
>>540907137>That's only because you're still running on the energy that was put into it. Unless there's some magic source of energy, you are getting less than if you burned the tank of gas is my point.I get it. In life, we mine or grow it. It has to come from someplace. who fucken cares?
>>540908991I got my degree from the Creation Institute. My job is using Thermodynamics to disprove evolution.
>>540906862>Be superior lefty consumer>Muh environment>I buy a new car every 10 years or less to save the planet>That's how science worksCar could run 50 years. Crush it. Buy new electric (so good) car. Crush that in 10 years. Buy another. I pay so little in fuel each year! That means it's working.I fucking love science.
>>540906862>They're impossible.It's possible to use solar to create more solar if you just store the solar energy into a battery until it has enough power to make more solar panels
>>540906862based smart nigga
>>540906862this image reminded me that i gotta refill the blinker fluid in my car.
>>540906862>Let me explain, you need energy to manufacture them.> That energy comes from fossile fuels.Incorrect. Let's expand the game. Fossil fuels is an unproven meme , created by Rockefellers . Nobody can prove it.In reality , Oil is a HydroCarbon , a combination of molecules H (Hydrogen) and C (Carbon)/ You can use many different energy sources to generate energy to create solar panels - from burning coal, to hydro , to wind, to nuclear. >. You LOSE energy with every solar panel you make. So, you don't , because energy is literally everywhere and in everything . Even Planet itself makes HydroCarbons as we speak right now, in MASSIVE quantities. >Unless someone can tell me where all the excess energy the solar panel 'makes' is coming from? Answered above. You can donate $1000 to me, I need it more than charity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocarbon
>>540907137>Unless there's some magic source of energy, you are getting less than if you burned the tank of gas is my point.That's fake jewish "physics". Only works magically for "Closed systems only". As soon as the system is OPEN , you have no limitations.
>>540906862that's bullshitthe energy used to make a solar panel is part of the cost that's forwarded to the end consumer.a 600W solar panel costs me around $100 dollars and easily pays for itself after 3 months
>>540911610>is part of the costThat's not the issue. If that was the only issue, FED bank and Euro central bank would have generated billions of digits in a computer, and then magically everybody would have energy .That's not how it works, you need to get actual energy somewhere.
>>540911701whoever made the solar panel in China had to buy the energy from somewhere
>>540911762Correct. they have a huge number of nuclear power plants, hydro plants etc. So , an outside energy source (river, uranium) was used to generate electricity , that was later used by a factory to make panels.
>>540911701there's also this from google but I think it's overestimating quite a bitProducing a standard 400-watt silicon solar panel requires roughly 1,200 to 1,700 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of primary energy input, driven heavily by silicon purification and ingot manufacturing. This manufacturing investment is paid back by the panel's clean electricity generation within 1 to 4 years of operation
>>540906862Solar is only good for memes like homestead and prepping, that's about it.
>>540911976Exactly . Also if you have an unlimited source, like a river and a river dam. Your energy is abundant and easily available. We are currently working on a full circle in nuclear power plants, right now you got some radioactive waste. Theoretically pretty soon we are going to have a tech where uranium is going full circle, then you can also call this a nearly unlimited source .
>>540906862>Basically, you start with the energy of the fuel, you lose some of it, so you might as well be burning the oil.>Unless someone can tell me where all the excess energy the solar panel 'makes' is coming from? Hint: you cant.… the sun?
>>540912244>… the sun?Yeah, he lost the plot there, it's not a closed system , it's an OPEN system.
>>540907137>Unless there's some magic source of energy, From the sun that us free. Flattie.
>>540906862I'm in favour of a flexible energy policy like what the Chinks currently have. They've incorporated oil and gas but also coal, wind, and solar plus other NGLs. They have the scale to mass produce solar and they're giving some to Cuba outa the goodness of their heart. It made China the honey badger of energy importers. Hormuz hasn't bothered them at all, they were able to scale back and switch to other sources than oil and gas without much dipping into their reserves.
>>540912452China is increasing its energy independence and decreasing its reliance on oil while the west continues to cuck itself
>>540912194I can't use the power of the river in China directly though. This is a good alternative and definitely much better than oil or grid electricity for homes.
>>540912904You can. You need a river , big river or a significant drop for hydro power. and you can stick panels on a roof practically anywhere. Applicable in different locations. All good hydro power spots are taken , they are currently experimenting at pumping water uphill when they have excess power et.c
>>540913362 >>540912904>All good hydro power spots are taken , There are small startups who are currently experimenting with tiny hydro turbines of various kinds for power generation. You can even 3d print a turbine . If you can pump water on a 2nd floor, and drop it down 1-2 floors, you can even experiment with tiny hydro turbines yourself. There will probably be a progress here shortly. If that's the case, they you could use small rivers that never have been targets for hydro in the past as power sources.
>small hydro turbines https://duckduckgo.com/?q=small+hydro+turbines&t=brave&ia=images&iax=images
>>540906862you are looking at this the wrong way. You use X amount of fuel in China. You gain x-y amount of clean energy in the USAalternative energy is all about shifting the dirty cost to third world shitholes for our benefit.
gas is $6 lol
>>540913717We should be taking maximum advantage of how cutthroat the business is in China and even offer them a BEST BID offer lolWe could cover New Mexico in solar panels for like 20 billion and power all of the country with that shit.
>>540913661This. Fuck fish. Stupid retard fish.
>>540910585>I got my degree from the Creation Institute. My job is using Thermodynamics to disprove evolution.yeah I could tellyou can tell an Arday from a real professor by the way they write.
>>540906862The sun
>>540908500>1100 to 1900 kWh per panel>Have 7.6 kWp panels, make about 1000-2000 kWh a year>Never actually bothered counting them but it's a 7x2 array or so>14 year payback timeNot good, not bad.
>>540907002Wow Wayne I remember telling you to upgrade your solar array like 2 or 3 years ago. I'm glad you kept working at it and are doing better. Just so you know my solar is doing well too. I don't run AC with mine for many reasons but I have enough to play as much PS4 as I want. I'm working through RDR2 for the first time, late I know but that's my style. Anyway I'm on 100% solar power at my off grid homestead and I just crossed over ONE MEGAWATT of power made with my small array. I currently only have about 1000 watts of panels out but I'm always working on making it more efficient. For the record OP is a lying faggot, and likely has AIDS from being penetrated by niggers, many such cases. >Payback Period: Under average sunlight conditions, a solar panel generates enough clean electricity to "pay back" the energy used during its production in about 1 to 2 years.>Over a 30-year lifespan, a single 100-watt solar panel will generate 4,590 kWh of clean electricity, completely wiping out its initial manufacturing footprint within the first 2 years of operation.This creates a highly positive Energy Return on Investment (EROI), meaning the panel ultimately produces roughly 18 times more energy than it took to build.
>>540906862By that metric the energy gained from burning fuel should always be less than the energy used to extract and process the fuel. The sun provides the energy you retard, the energy used to create the PV Cell could come from anywhere and the cell can provide excess energy relative to the energy used to create it. ICE engines work despite requiring energy to create.The real answer is nuclear, you're being retarded on purpose same as green energy fags.
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>>540910585>My job is using Thermodynamics to disprove evolution.Creation is self-evident, to anyone who actually studied this even from a distance. Radio Halos can't be explained any other way, except instant creation followed by a micro second later of polonium decay leaving the electron shell trapped inside of solid rock. You can count the electron shells and determine the original element which is now gone. The Bible is true. Praise GOD.
>>540906862>You LOSE energy with every solar panel you make. Initially, yes. However, overtime the panels produced far more energy than what was used to make them.>I have a Ph.DIn being a retard?The real issue with solar panels is the same as with wind. They do break eventually, and can't really be recycled.
>>540913743Gas is $6A single solar panel is $100,000The choice is easy.
>>540906862400W panel:> lasts 25-30 years> will produce about 20,400 kWh of energy during its lifeso you're telling me to manufacture a single 400W panel you would need more than 20,400 kWh?American education everyone
>>540907137But you can only burn the tank of gas once
>>540910585Excellent. Do they award degrees in Algebra or, perhaps, Handwriting, as well?Thermodynamics is not, in itself, a discipline. It is a single topic. A subject. One applies thermodynamics to begin testing hypothses.
Napkin math says you're wrong. Energy payback is a year ish. Otherwise post your numbers.Manufacturing stepApprox. energyPurifying silicon200–350 kWhIngot + wafer production100–180 kWhSolar cell processing60–120 kWhGlass + aluminum frame80–150 kWhModule assembly/other30–70 kWhTotal~500–900 kWh
>>540906862Have you Gone Full Retard??? Solar panels from 2012 are still offsetting 1,000s of kWh per home.. 120% offset installed is still producing 111% of electricity needed currently… a $500 electric bill (which was $150 in 2012) is still being Zeroed out you fuckin knob smoker.
>>540917534Even if your solar panel lasts 20 years that's still only using it once. And then there's the problem fo throwing it away. Absolute biohazard.
>>540917810> throwing away biohazardThats what 3rd world countries are for
>>540907536Some of the very first ones are kinda based.
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>>540906862EROEI. The peak oil fags would discuss this non stop in the early 2000s. I still think the worst is ethanol.
>>540907137The magic source is the sun you collosal. retard.
>>540916508Creation being true does not imply it is the work of the Semitic donkey god Yahweh or his Jewish vampire son. That is fantastically retarded.
solar panels are so expensive because theyre fake. the manufacturer doesnt know how they work, its all obfuscation "silicon" and other nonsense. you could make them yourself if you knew the truth.
