What happens when technology and artificial intelligence reach a point where those in power no longer need people?Historically, the wealthy needed ordinary people as laborers (in factories and on farms) and as soldiers (in wars). When technology eliminates these two needs, the social contract collapses. What will happen to the general population when that happens? Democracy will certainly become meaningless and irrelevant at that point, and the people will be powerless to do anything about it. Money in itself can become useless at that point.What will happen to us when/if things reach that point? I can't see this ending well.
>>540928851They cant whack off to abusing robots. Tbe humiliation rituals will just get worse and worse
>>540928851Just don't build any robots and we'll be fin-Oh we're building robots.
>>540928900This probably.
>>540928851Social contract doesn't exist already, people just think it does. Civilization will most likely collapse, the current ((AI)) is a jeet autocomplete scam.
>>540928851>What happens when technology and artificial intelligence reach a point where those in power no longer need people? Broadly three possibilities though combinations and modifications are possible:1. UBI: ranging from barely enough to survive on, or enough to live well on. I actually think the latter is more likely because (a) productivity will be so high that most goods are practically worthless and (b) democracy probably still exists and the government will bribe people with UBI for votes. Even if it doesn't, provided they don't resort to (3) it will be necessary for stability to keep everyone fed. This is the stablest, lowest risk and lowest guilt option for the elite so I think it's the most likely.2. Parallel societies: the elite increasingly lives in gated communities or even entire cities with everyone else locked out. This is unstable because almost all of the people who know how to build AI and robots will be on the outside, so the poorer parallel society will eventually create its own AI and robots to compete with the rich one, violence likely ensues. Current elites will predict this so I think this situation is unlikely.3. Killbots: the elite decides to kill everyone whose personal wealth isn't enough to live without working. The problem is as with (2) most of the people who know how to make robots and operate war machines are on the poor side, so this leads to war and potential death of the elite. This is potentially just a faster version of (2).
>>540928851They cook up a war to kill all those people.
>>540928851First nothing happens. Then slowly all the 150 IQ motherfuckers don't have a job. Then they shut down the power sub stations and next thing you know everyone is having a really bad time. The greedy elites will continue to be greedy little faggots while the poors continue to do poor people shit while the schizo's schizo even harder and the world turns while it burns same shit different day. I expect that the riots will get so bad that the elites will simply purchase our compliance via direct bribes and at that point we'll be self aware monkey's in cages instead of pretending like money ever meant anything
>>540928851>no longer need people?people have been worried about this for centuriesit really just frees up labor for other thingsthere will always be other things
>>540929448So laughably naive and delusionalNo wonder your country is on the verge of being an african caliphate
>>540930209>Israeli colony has an opinion
>>540928851>What happens when technology and artificial intelligence reach a point where those in power no longer need people?2 more years happens.
>>540928851Basically anyone fatter and less armed than me will become a potential victim. Your women, money, food items. Your ass cheeks. I’m gonna come take them because I’m stronger and faster and have more guns, and there’s really nothing you can do about it other than preemptively kill yourself once the grid collapses. I will take special consideration for Trump voting households and probably include a little torture as I pillage but I will burn down everything anyway. Kind of Atilla the Hun style
>>540930244He is right,they will just kill us all with a war,a famine,a pandemic or all of them toghether
>>540928851the elites will stage an AI uprising and use it to genocide the poorsthe future of humanity will be a small number of immortal richs served by a whole planet of bots
>>540930390I considered the possibility and rejected it. Most of the people who know how to use these tools are on the side being killed. It's riskier for them than simply keeping us alive and docile.
>>540930244Hate to break it to you Bongbro, but Britain being on the verge of being an African caliphate is a little more than an opinion.
>>540928851>What happens when technology and artificial intelligence reach a point where those in power no longer need people?It doesn't work that way. Those glorified chatbots don't work that way.For every 50 or so jobs that can be eliminated by robotization, 1 job is created, because someone has to tard wrangle that artificial idiot. And that already underestimates how dumb robots are.A significant fraction of corporate bureucracy already consists of bullshit jobs that nobody needs. Robots do not make this more efficient or sensible, but that does not stop managers from trying.
>>540930605It literally isn't. The largest African groups are Nigerian and Caribbean which are Christian, and Muslims are only 6.5%. The largest nonwhite ethnicity is Hindu. These aren't good things in and of themselves but they clearly make an "African caliphate" an impossibility in the foreseeable future.
>>540928851AI does the jobs we don't want to do. Nothing bad about that. Who's going to pick your fruits? You? Give me a break fatass brown nigger
>>540928851At that point the AI doesn't need the elite eitherAnd the elite have just created something they can't control But you folks aren't ready for that conversation yet
>>540928851Historically usually the upper class just get brutally purged.
>>540930605>Britain being on the verge of being an African caliphateLike clockwork, here comes a negroid burgermutt to tell us who is and isn't white.Look fat, my country is still 83% White of which 75% are specifically White British, that being English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish.YOURS is 52% "White" mystery meat.You like FBI crime statistics? The average "White" american is MORE likely to commit a violent crime than the average London nigger.You have to look out for armed niggers every time you go to the grocery store and as if that wasn't bad enough you have a mutilated penis.However bad you think things are in my country know that yours is LIGHT YEARS more fucked.
>>540928851They already don’t need you. That is why you are rotting in a favela without government assistance. That is why the world is burning. Because you’re already not needed.
>>540928851>Democracy will certainly become meaningless and irrelevant at that point,my goodest goy
>>540928851>and the people will be powerless to do anything about it.
>>540928851>Money in itself can become useless at that point.>What will happen to us when/if things reach that point? I can't see this ending well.you are so far behind monkeybrothe actual concern is if anything and anyone will still be alive at all a year or two from nowcheck out ai doomer on youtubehint: they're the best ai researchers and scientists
>>540931390>ai doomer on youtubedoomersthey're plentyand mainstream podcasters interview them
>>540928851door dash will be replaced by robuts, im waiting for that moment as i will start using it again. I trust the robut more than jeet or nigger. When i discovered it is all jeet and niggers, here and there some arab, i stopped using services like this
>>540928851It will be fine, ASI will be commoditizedSit back, post something nice about the Chinese & comrade Xi if you're in a mood to show gratitude, nothing else is required of you
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>>540928851Permanent underclass. You will be made homeless, and all your money will be diverted to lining the pockets of the elites. You will be forbidden from getting a job. It's coming, anon.
>>540929448>t-the poors will show class solidarity! You are such an utter fucking moron it's unreal.
>>540934337My argument didn't require class solidarity, China's Lunch.
>>540931196>Look fat, my country is still 83%>stilllmaoHow long ago was it 99%? How long did it take to get as bad as it is now? How long did it take for places like London, Leicester and Birmingham to go from 99% white british to you being a nigger in your own ethnic lands?
>>540928851I'll go with the cyberzealot desu
>>540934496>My argument didn't require class solidarityIt literally does, nobody with any sense of self-preservation is going to fight some idealistic bullshit rebellion when they can just be obedient stooges in exchange for not being turned into meat cubes by the ruling elite.>China's lunchI'm here for 4 weeks on an offshore project you butthurt retard, lmao
>>540928851When I get something that's better than the old thing I used I usually chuck it out, or donate it if it's still good. If I can't do that I leave it in the backyard for a time before I organize a trash collection.Politically, the comparison would be we get discarded into barren reservations or at best, donated to poorer nations still relying on human labour. All this is in wait for a world war, when there's enough of us piled up in one location that it's worth the cost of organizing it.
>>540928851>Noooo i am tool, i must have use!!!!!!!You know people like you will indeed have a problem but you are a very rare minority.Most people have always been useless, there is no change in store for them.
>>540928851The wealthy are just monkeys with property
>>540934740...As opposed to the monkeys without?It's nothing new to point out that people are monkeys, it's only their own behaviour that can make that word mean anything negative.
>>540934555>nobody with any sense of self-preservation is going to fight some idealistic bullshit rebellionSo you didn't read/understand it. I describe two scenarios that lead to rebellion/war:>(a) elites hide, leaving everyone else to fend for themselves>(b) elites try to kill everyone(B) is not an "idealistic bullshit rebellion", it IS self-preservation. (A) is also not an idealistic rebellion. If the elites leave everyone else alone, everyone else will OBVIOUSLY form their own society because that is how every society already formed (mass of people in one place without no government -> someone organises and takes power (likely several someones but eventually something akin to nation states emerges, probably far faster than it did in the past since we already have the concept)). That would almost certainly lead to war between the newly formed states and the enclaved elites that they surround and massively outnumber.>they can just be obedient stooges in exchange for not being turned into meat cubes by the ruling elite. That is covered by the UBI scenario. I explicitly stated the three scenarios could be mixed e.g. the elite gives UBI to some people and ignores others. If they leave any significant amount of people alive outside of their enclaves it still results in parallel societies and eventual war though.>I'm here for 4 weeks on an offshore projectUh-huh, "offshore project", that's what you old nonces call it eh? Although if you are some retarded oilrig worker it explains why you can't fucking read.
AI has no internal monologue and likely never will. When you look into how it actually works it's not all that impressive.
>>540934954Also this, the only real danger is to stupid people that are no smarter than retarded AI.
>>540934954>AI has no internal monologuefalsehttps://transformer-circuits.pub/2026/workspace/index.htmlI unironically think that AI is already more sentient than nigs and some women
>>540928851>What happens when technology and artificial intelligence reach a point where those in power no longer need people?Have you used LLMs? They will never reach that stage.
>>540934859>That is covered by the UBI scenarioWhich part of "universal" are you too fucking stupid to comprehend? The cashiers and the office drones are going to be their play meat. Engineers and the 0.000001% of the global population that would actually be of use maintaining their power base will be covered by this "universal" basic income. For someone with your flag you sure have a tenuous grasp of your native tongue.>taiwan>oil rigslol retard
>>540935220Well there's less the problem of AI being useful and potent and more the problem of many people being less so than even that.
>>540934808Without their property they are just human like anyone else, there is no social contract to break is just human nature face upon itself
>>540935298Well there is a reason they have that property, between their accumulation of it and the possibilities it endows them with there is good reason for the monkeys to tolerate the difference between monkeys.Not everyone is lucky, not every monkey has the capacities needed to reach or perform at such a role.Even monkeys know monkeys are not equal.
>>540928851you ask the wrong question.what if the people finally realize that they don't need the people in power?
>>540935397Just like they have reasons to have it they have reasons to lose it, yeah you can find differences in people but just a guy is just a guy will have two arms two legs one dick and one head
>>540935421Power tends to be the degree to which you do not to need others, if others do not need power it still remains power so the genuinely powerful do not fear such a scenario.
>>540928851Some form of global Butlerian jihad is inevitable. Kinda like we all agreed not to clone people or arm sattelites with nukes. I see no scenario where societies at large are ok with robots completely taking over.
>>540935461Eh, if only were that simple.Wishful thinking is the trap many people set for themselves in the modern world, alas the world is hard and deadly to people who think beliefs alone can do anything.
>>540935470then they should try to eat their money and start thinking what power really is.
>>540928851Just give up on society and become a fill for Christ. Watch El Topo. Bye.
>>540935421>what if the people finally realize that they don't need the people in power?if it ever happens (and I have doubts, I lost all faith in goycattle after covid), it will be too late because the ones in power will have everything ready to genocide us effortlessly
>>540928851>What happens when technology and artificial intelligence reach a point where those in power no longer need people?The AI at that point would be superintelligent (or close), and won't be controllable by humans. To a superintelligence, providing abundance for all would be trivial - no need to destroy us.
>>540935543They really already do just that, it gets them great amounts of food.Just because your mind does not want to bridge the gap between value and its symbolic representative (money) does not mean it will humor your wishful thinking.At the end of the day money is just the thing that relies on less belief than any faith or "If we all just..." style plan.
>>540930244Unironically they are better off, racially and economically than your stupid Bonglandian Caliphate in current year, Nagel.
>>540935554only if throwing more hardware at ai dememes ai.But youbare right about the general population. Power is, keeping the people stupid and dependant. And that's what has been done the last centuries. Hard to clear this up in just a few years.
>>540928851>those in powerNo such thing.
>>540935716Unironically one of the wisest post in the thread so far.
>>540935623money itself (as in modern money) depends on believe. It's only value is what people can be made to believe it has. And currently, one could whitness how this belive-system is breaking apart, if one would dare to look at it.
>>540935528Am well aware that what you call the social contract is still active, the accumulation of memes about accumulation of wealth
It will simply all gradually get worse. AI is not the panacea techbros imagine, but general trends in productivity lead to similar outcomes.So long as the decline is drawn out over several lifetimes, the masses won't get too rowdy. Plenty of effective distractions will remain readily available and inexpensive.
>>540935238>ignores points to split hairs on terminology>words can only be used literally, even though nobody interprets the U in UBI literally normally>0.000001% of the global population You mean elites?>Engineers and the 0.000001% of the global population that would actually be of use maintaining their power base will be covered by this "universal" basic incomeThe scenario being considered is full automation, they only "need" engineers to prevent those engineers from creating rival technology.>>taiwan >>oil rigsWhat is an offshore project then and why does your flag keep changing between Taiwan and the Philippines?>lol retardSee pic brainlet paedo
>>540935758Yes, so do most other things, hence people feeling threatened by AI; the useless idiots themselves are the ones most aware how unimpressive their capacities are.Remember that fable about the king with no clothes? It's always good to remember both he and his people were naked.The system persists because all parties depend on the make belief, it's only the morons that think they do not.
>>540935765Those are literally your words mate, and not even used correctly.
>>540928851a mix of matrix1 (population density wise) and blade runner (tyrell corp) / alien (wayland / yutani corp)
>>540935554Covid proved that the only solution is spiritual.
>>540935769>several lifetimesNigga this shit's at the door, what the fuck are you saying?
>>540935907>nobody interprets the U in UBI >What is an offshore projectHoly fuck you're thick as shit. May whatever god you believe in help you. I've no interest in master debating with a retard that can't even speak a single language.
Black men will take over and will take/fuck your muzzie women with BBCs. BNWO
>>540929015>autocomplete scam.sure sure, but the thing is, that is is enough to replace most human tasks. thats the issue and it wont go away, it is the "we can do it" mentality and >>540928938robots are the bridge that is being constructed with that mentality the bridge between vision and achievement crossing the vally of normalfaggotry in which most of mankind are located good times ahead fellow anons good times !
>>540935921when thinking about the naked king, i think of a system which lead to nobody daring to tell the kind he is naked.My modwrn interpretstionnis: The pimp is naked, but the hookers are not being paid to tell him.You are right, the system is constructed in a way which makes the people dependant on the system, just as the system is dependant on the people (to bring op back in), the system has to ponder the needs of the crackheads, because the second the dealer stops providing, the crackhead, or general populus, will, in a natural opportunistic manner, jump ship.Sorry for my bad english, been a while since i typed it other than business-english.
>>540931196>Look fat, my country is still 83% White of which 75% are specifically White British, that being English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish.As if it's something to brag about lol Brits gonna bong
>>540928851Open source tech could be a big part of preventing that outcome, but it goes beyond just ai models. The real question is whether normal people can still own productive technology once companies need fewer employees.We could shift from an employee economy to one where individuals become mini agencies or businesses. With AI, automation and robotics, one person could potentially do what used to require an entire team. If those tools are cheap and widely available, ordinary people could become more economically independent rather than useless.I think open source helps stop a few companies fully controlling super intelligence, but physical hardware, energy, compute, robotics and access to markets matter just as much because if a handful of companies control all of that, then being a "business owner" could just mean renting everything from them.So your scenario isn't exactly inevitable just yet. The real issue is whether ai and underlying infrastructure will be owned by more individuals therefore becoming decentralized, or concentrated to the few at the top.
>>540936163Uh-huh.
>>540928851>What happens when technology and artificial intelligence reach a point where those in power no longer need peopleThey bloodthirstily exterminate the few remaining goyim, then having fulfilled their mission they will await the return of their Moshiach to live out eternity as gods.
>>540936209Thing is it ain't just the king, all the others are naked too.It's just the kids and the crazies that dare say it, and then there are types like you that think only they are not naked.But yeah that is precisely why ultimately every system of rulership will always collapse back to reality; the arrogant king/supreme leader/czar/prime minister/chairman/president/whatever who ignores his people's actual needs will always be forced to either alter his course or suffer the consequences.And AI, however powerful it becomes or unimpressive it remains, well, it does not fundamentally change anything about how power works.That's why i like it, it's basically one of those laughing mirrors for society as a whole.
