It's like they fell off the face of the earth about a decade ago. The surveillance state is going live, masked glowies are patrolling the streets, cash is being phased out for a digital currency. When the other wing of the bird is back in power social credit scores are on the way and deplatforming/ censorship will be back at full swing.So where the hell are the libertarians?
>>541003356What do you mean "where"?Buy gold, crypto, and read Rothbard.Mises.org
>>541003356> imported a foreign population> where the hell are the Americans?
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>>541003356The LP has never had any real power. They always just wanted to be a debating society.I used to be active in the LP as a county-level officer in Washington state. The WA state party managed to get so many votes in one state election that they achieved "major party status" in the state, and donors lined up to help them keep it, and the stupid fucks argued so much about wat do that the donors said fuck it and kept their money. Then they got all "let's all bitch about who's a purer libertarian than everyone else!" And in the last decade they've gone full-blown socialist, between Jo Jorgensen endorsing BLM and Chase Oliver doing the gay faggot communism thing in 2024.
They moved to NH and froze their dicks off.
>>541003356We moved on.
>>541003356A lot of lolberts exposed themselves as unprincipled clowns when they backed Trump. Bannon funneled money toward Michael Heise and the Mises Caucus to neuter any kind of Libertarian Party opposition to Trump.
>>541003356>whatlibertarians regularly poll less than 1%
>>541003356The republicans assimilated them and stole their talking point of " I don't care what someone else does just so long as it doesn't affect me!" Why would anybody vote for a smaller party when a bigger party is already saying they agree with your core premise and will promote it?
>>541006403This.
>>541006403This
>>541003356We're still around, it's just that no one listens. Plus I can only speak for myself but I've learned that libertarianism only works in a high trust white society, so it's pointless in modern day Babylon West.
>>541003356All the cool one things the US is dead and went to new hampshire and focused on local politics
>>541006403Didn't see this one until I replied but pretty much. Socialism for a bunch of niggers and rounds that are not of my tribe and hate me makes absolutely no sense, it's just slow suicide. Socialism for my tribe is preferable to death, although the ideal is pretty much still colonial America. At some point you have to be pragmatic, and the white race is dying.
>>541003356I’m here. Couldn’t vote in the primary today because Wyoming hates freedom. Fuckers.
>>541007614It’s already over.
>>541003356John mcafee died and then his deadman switch caused a whole hotel building to get blown up
>>541007691The country is over yes, but whites are still here and can always just make a new country.
>>541003356Liberations are liberals, they just stopped pretending.
Massie is Libertarian btw
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>>541003356I thought libertarians were the open pedophiles.
>>541003356It's really weird when you think about how the big self proclaimed lolberts are taking military industrial complex money to create the surveillance state
>>541003356BTC XMR. Crypto will always be the soul of politics.
>>541003356Voting is a larp
>>541003356It was never real to begin with. Ron Paul was just a Bernie Sanders figure for the right leaning voter.No refunds or tax cuts.
>>541003555>Buy gold, crypto, and read Rothbard.and this is why you all disappeared cause no one can take you seriously anymore
>>541003356as soon as gary johnson got 10% in the polls they got infiltrated by skittlehair commie faggots on the dem payroll. they went from ignored to slandered in 4.6 seconds
>>541003356propertarianism, while not an actual solution, rendered libertarianism entirely untenable.
Look at LaVeyan Satanism, it is literally just Libertarianism with pentagrams and candles. Is that the company you truly want?
>>541012381Who am I supposed to take seriously? Republicans? Democrats? Nazis? They're all a joke, Libertarians actually offer solutions and fucking implement them while everyone bitches and LARPs, I don't care much about appealing to people who don't matter, only the 10% of people who actually think and do shit in the world matter, the rest of the sheeple like you follow suit and seethe.Keep voting and dealing in the real world, slave.
>>541003356The party was infiltrated by communists.
>>541005966>>541006712Loong list of unprincipled grifters, Wayne Lambright tier wonks, and m’lady weirdos. I remember some grassroots gun rights org going off about gifting Gary Johnson a Brown Bess replica for some media photos only to see it in the garbage as they walked out of the event. Least empowered political party with the platform that Gov should give up power.
Libertarians are fucking idiots that want your money only good at 'the company store' so they can act as the stand-in oppressor for the state they no longer have to abide by.You're just trading big-state for big-corp. Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss.
>refuse to ever vote for any libertarian politicians or policies>belittle such things constantly>encourage people to vote for authoritarians instead>authoritarian policies implemented>"why aren't libertarians stopping this?"wtf do you expect
>>What happened to Libertarianism?It's a political party, so it was infiltrated and subverted by CERTAIN PEOPLES. They ran Gary "where's Aleppo" Johnson and then that was the last candidate the public really ever saw from them again. Sure the lolbert clubs on college campuses were fun rebel hangout zones years ago but I would be astonished if even those were intact.Lolberts might make a comeback after Zion Don's pro-Israel America-last platform crumbles. The left can might run someone even worse than whatever the post-Trump right floats up to the top next presidential election.Also the Libertarian party in function was never going to "win" but the Right usually catered to them somehow because they're always scared of losing votes to the Libertarians. If the Lolberts start to gain ground ideologically it usually looks like the Republicans splitting apart.
>>541003356>So where the hell are the libertarians?Uh, all over but extremely fragmented. You could make one of those political compass charts with just libertarians, with the "regime libertarian" Friedmanites, the dudeweedlmaos, classical liberal Misesians, and the quasi monarchist Hoppeans (dunno why I went counterclockwise there). They all think the other side of the compass aren't real libertarians and the sides adjascent to them are only barely tolerable. It's hard to organize against the regime when you can't even agree on if you actually want it gone or not.
Also another of Libertarianism's problem is that sure we can survive open borders so long as the welfare state is done with. But what are the odds that the borders are opened and then oops we still have the welfare state?
>>541003356it turns out libertarians were just pro-business shills that got everything they wantedcorporate profits are through the roof and workers are well on our way back to being serfs
>>541014244>Lolberts might make a comeback after Zion Don's pro-Israel America-last platform crumbles.God I hope so. President Massie would be pretty lulzy. He's no Ron Paul, but he could crush any "democratic socialist" in a debate on economics, and that'd make it hilarious to watch.>If the Lolberts start to gain ground ideologically it usually looks like the Republicans splitting apart.Yeah, I don't think people remember how bleak things looked for the republicans after 8 years of Bush.
>be private equity/leveraged buy-out company>get some money from investors>take out a loan with their money>buy a business with the loan>since you control the business you just dump the loan onto them>so now they have all the debt and not you>run the business into the ground making a bunch of short-term profits decision>when the business looks like it's improved for a few months just sell it off to some new sucker before all the fallout hitsI think this business model that's systematically gutting the economy might need more regulation instead of less. Maybe companies should take on the liabilities of other companies that they buy, when they buy them. This shit is like in Fallout 3 where you stuff the donation box full of money to get perfect karma and then you kill the guy to get the donation box key and steal all your money back and you still have great karma.
>>541015079>in a debate on economicswe should keep doing the same things we've been doing for 50 years despite the average american getting poorer and more miserable over that time, surely if we just keep doing it it has to work eventually!
>>541003356Turns out freedom isn't actually very popular in America.
>>541014604>Also another of Libertarianism's problem is that sure we can survive open borders so long as the welfare state is done with.A lot of libertarians (little "l") are anti-immigration. The Libertarian Party is a shitshow.>But what are the odds that the borders are opened and then oops we still have the welfare state?0, since there is no chance that Libertarians ever the the power to enact any real policy changes even if a Libertarian becomes president. >we should keep doing the same things we've been doing for 50 years despite the average american getting poorer and more miserable over that time, surely if we just keep doing it it has to work eventually!That's exactly what the democratic socialist would say, and then Massey would fucking crush them.
>>541006403This. Basicly we libertarians grew older and now we want all want to be offgrid farmers
>>541003356I'm a Libertarian but most other Libertarians I meet are Leftists LARPing which makes no fucking sense since Libertarianism is the polar opposite of Leftism.
90% of the lolbertarian movement was single issue dudeweed voters. now that goynip is easy to get in most states it turns out no one actually cares about small government or voluntarism.
>>541015297>>541015079>debate on economicsThis COULD happen but you need someone that can break complex ideas like the economy down into simple terms. Real economists can't do it because they love equations and bullshit jargon. Most politicians always just want to blame someone else, like each other or China. Rand Paul can almost do it but in "debates" you get like thirty seconds to explain shit. As standards are right now, forming coherent sentences together that make sense is like above the standard for Zion Don or Joe Biden's wife Joe Biden.You really need to be doing something like a podcast if you're a politician intending to fix things and explain things to people, getting everyone together. But they don't do that because modern politicians always prefer to rule over morons, and familiarity breeds resentment. You want a president to look good in a suit and talk on the news for fifteen seconds, not lecture you like a professor. I suspect humans hate thinking, and equate it to labor.>>541015410The anti-authoritarian party is always a failure to launch in principle.>rebels of the world, unite!
>>541003356libertarian /pol/ was pushed by Epstien. /pol/ started as a board with lots of libertarian ideals and was actually supportive of Obama. When lefties come here to say /pol/ is an Epstien board remind them of this. Based Nats came far later.>but but it was a containment It was a heavy libertarian board at the start. So no pedo jeff did not push based Nats’ism kinda makes sense why this board was for obama when you think of it that way. Epstien would be totally partial to libertarianism knowing him too. It all checks out.
>>541003356>What happened to the libertarians?Infiltration and subversion by globalists and liberals who care about open borders and depravity more than individual rights or small government.Phase 1 was the Koch brothers funding a lot of libertarian outlets like Reason magazine. The Kochs were/are (one of them is dead) open borders globalists and they care more about corporations being unregulated, no tariffs on trade and open borders for cheap labor. They refocused the party to be a corporate tool rather than a party for individuals.From there you got the Trump Derangement Syndrome liberals infiltrating the party in 2016. You had a lot of poser liberal libertarians leave and become Democrats; but you also had a lot of libertarians just go nuts over Trump and start pretending that the Democrats aren't a fucking nightmare.
>>541003356its called censorship you fat fuck
>It's like they fell off the face of the earth about a decade agoDrowned out by trumpets. The Libertarian position is axiomatically opposed to a lot of Trump's policies, so any Republican who was calling themselves a Libertarian was forced to choose between identifying as MAGA, keeping a consistent Libertarian viewpoint, or getting called a hypocrite and bullied into one side (usually MAGA since they weren't ideologically pure enough to begin with).Personally I went full anarchist. More accurately anarcho-socialist, since capitalist ideas of private property that can be rented out effectively requires a state to manage at any large enough scale, and the result of allowing that to happen is that those who amass such wealth in turn control the state to reduce the people's liberty. Any system with hierarchies is incompatible with liberty in the long term, therefore a permanent state of statelessness is necessary to safeguard liberty.
>>541015708>Rand Paul can almost do it but in "debates" you get like thirty seconds to explain shit.The thing is that it all boils down to the truthiest soundbite, and "the federal reserve causes inflation by printing money" is really hard to counter in 30 seconds because the apologetics for inflation take way longer than 30 seconds to weasel their way around making a point.>You want a president to look good in a suit and talk on the news for fifteen seconds, not lecture you like a professor.Speak for yourself and most everybody else, that's the only kind of president I'd actually get up off my ass to vote for. I know you were speaking in the second person, shut up you fucking space pirate asshole. I spaced your pet clone.>The anti-authoritarian party is always a failure to launch in principle.Yeah, that's kinda the problem.
>>541016280The average voter's attention span is much shorter than the explanation for any economic or geopolitical problem. I'm thinking about Kamala and her substitute teacher-tier explanation of the Russian-Ukraine war (and that's a bad thing!). Being able to type coherent on-topic paragraphs on /pol/ puts someone at the opposite end of average.There's one graphic I wish I had saved and it showed how representatives have voted across party lines less and less over the years. Something like pre-Civil-War tensions might be a ticket out of this mess if representatives start thinking about voting for their own geographical area instead of some party above geographic lines. As long as it doesn't escalate into a real war, which seems unlikely in a global age. Dwindling aquifers might cause this. Generally every trend has pointed to a consolidation of power towards the executive branch. This is a hard trend to reverse, but the more that attempts are made before the center implodes, the better.
>>541003555>what do you mean where>I use the yellow and black flag to post this! I understand what "libertarian" means!You are a face blind retard.
>>541016857>There's one graphic I wish I had saved and it showed how representatives have voted across party lines less and less over the years.Rothbard's "The Progressive Era" has a really excellent couple chapters on the topic, I can't stop recommending that book.>Generally every trend has pointed to a consolidation of power towards the executive branch.There is a notable group of libertarians these days who oppose democracy entirely. It is after all hard to argue with the idea that the monarchy the founding fathers rebelled against was less tyrannical than the current democratic government.
>>541016935>You are a face blind retard.Rothbard more or less created modern libertarianism with his book "For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto". I'd suggest reading that before you say what is and isn't libertarian.
Let's run Nate Higgers for president. All we need is a billion dollars to for his average campaign cost.
>>541016280I remember watching a hearing on cspan and rand was trying to explain that healthcare can't be a right because it compels doctors to work for free and the other goonies were all looking at him like he was speaking klingon. seeing that made me realize lolbertarianism has no hope of ever being a mainstream party.
>>541016935All Ancaps are Libertarians but not all Libertarians are Ancaps, some are Minarchists, this is basic Libertarianism.Ron Paul was an Ancap btw but he didn't talk about Ancapism because people weren't ready for it yet, he has stated that he's an Anarchist though.
>>541007681How so? I drove up the road and voted in 25 minutes.
>>541017646>I remember watching a hearing on cspan and rand was trying to explain that healthcare can't be a right because it compels doctors to work for free and the other goonies were all looking at him like he was speaking klingon.I dunno. If you're in the government the idea of not just using violence to get what you want is going to be alien to you. You're going to a group of career criminals and telling them that crime is bad. They're not going to be disposed to hear it. I don't think Rand Paul is as articulate or smart as his father unfortunately.>seeing that made me realize lolbertarianism has no hope of ever being a mainstream party.I don't think so either, but I wish it would because that debate would be so damn funny. Like imagine someone like Mamdani vs Rand Paul or Massie. Like the democratic socialist would have to just avoid using any of their favorite talking points because if they say "free stuff" the libertarian would ask how they intend to pay for it.
>>541017668>Ron Paul was an Ancap btw but he didn't talk about Ancapism because people weren't ready for it yet, he has stated that he's an Anarchist though.I don't know if you watch the Ron Paul Liberty Report, but it's really a great podcast. While he doesn't use the word "anarchist" often, he is very clear that he opposes the existence of the state. I think most successful libertarians avoid saying "anarchist" much because of the popular connotations. Like I remember Scott Horton having a guest say something like "come on we're not anarchists" and he sorta flinched but kept his mouth shut.
>>541003356They like the green party only pop out of the weeds around election time. They don't really exist in politics in any way that actually matters.
>>541003356lolbertarians are just late stage capitalism retards who ended up joining the republicans
>>541018345Yeah Anarchist is a perfectly fine word now but 10-20 years ago people would get offended by it, we shifted the overton window well, and of course praise be to the great Doctor Ron Paul.
>>541012381>le irrelevant/non-serious partyMost hilarious self-own that gets posted by Democrats and Republicans. Your parties are overran by chomos and foreign government shills. Meanwhile none of you can recite a single piece of constitutional literature outside 3 or four amendments. Or explain any foreign policy to a logical degree. lmfaoI'm not even libertarian but they are far more serious than than dumbo and the jackass parties
>>541003356Libertarians only policy and solution was the same as the other two parties and that's right you guessed it: infinity Jeets. So as you can see the other parties had that covered so basically there was no use for the Libertarians.
>>541017377Rothbard started the entire modern Libertarian movement with 10 guys in a room in 1970, today there are millions of Libertarians worldwide. Just shows what 1 man and a few people can achieve.
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>>541021331The idea that you have to destroy rights to create a moral, rights based society is laughable.You can be a traditionalist Ancap, a culturally right wing Ancap, it doesn't matter as long as you respect the NAP, and no the NAP doesn't mean not defending yourselves and your families you fucking idiots, it literally enshrines the right to defense.
>>541017959Registered Libertarians can’t vote in the primary, only the generals.
>>541021317>Rothbard started the entire modern Libertarian movement with 10 guys in a room in 1970The Circle Bastiat
>>541017210I don't oppose democracy per se, but authoritarian government based democracy is absolutely disastrous, people just vote their rights away for the promise of free shit that never materializes and it naturally becomes a corrupt dictatorship until it's reformed again at great expense.You could have democracy in a NAP based society, or even monarchy, but these are ultimately lesser principles and whims of a particular preference of a particular society, ultimately societies must be based on morality, freedom, goodness, truth, beauty, which are all enshrined in the NAP, the window dressing that comes after, whether it be voluntary democracy, monarchy etc, are inconsequential and subordinate to the NAP, only when they supercede the NAP do they become a big problem, this is why all lesser principles of organization such as democracy, voting, aristocracy etc must be limited and sublimated to the core system of Libertarianism, the natural rights and private property based society.
>>541021758Extremely based I didn't know that was their name, thanks fellow Ancap.
>>541005966>Chase Oliver doing the gay faggot communism thing in 2024was he not a plant to blowup the party?
That is some gay shit. I've just registered republican and treated the primary as the real election.
>>541022220Meant for>>541021651
libertarians were just republicans pretending to be independent-minded. they dropped the whole charade when trump blew up the whole "small government conservative" psyop and became statist miggers
>>541022291notable examples including alex jones, molyneux, ben garrison, etc.
>>541007036>>541012298>>541014604>>541014618It’s like Dems have socialists, the Repubs have Lolbertarians. It’s the desert table at the all you can eat kosher cafe. Socialist ideas fall apart at open borders and gov paid corporate healthcare and food. Libertarian ideas fall apart when your homeowners association replaces town fire and police with foreign private security firms staffed with H1B dunecoons.
>>541022523name three socialist countries with open borders
>>541022135To noones surprise the Libertarian party is full of feds because there's noone feds fear more than Libertarians. At this point I would just start a new Ancap party to get away from the feds, Ancapism is pure and difficult to ideologically capture.
The jews have been flooding their infinite banking money into republicans to turn it into their neocon party for decades, libertarians get froze out.
>>541021984>I don't oppose democracy per seRead Hoppe's "Democracy: The God That Failed" or listen to the audiobook, they're both available for free through the Mises Institute. It will almost certainly change your mind. States are bad, but democracy makes them much worse. This isn't an argument for monarchy mind you, it's just an argument against democracy. Let me see if I can distill the points down enough to fit in a post here.Public ownership of the state is no better than public ownership of anything else. The Misesian economic calculation problem of socialism applies as much to temporary non-owner caretakers of the state as it does to any other enterprise. You end up with people who gain power by promising the masses to give them the proceeds of theft, and once in power they have no ownership stake, and as such must extract wealth as quickly as possible before they are no longer in power, the long term health of the nation be damned. In a monarchy at least the monarch has the incentive to put off plundering for today that he might plunder more tomorrow, and this thinking can be extended to wanting to leave a wealthier nation to plunder for his children and grandchildren.>Extremely based I didn't know that was their name, thanks fellow Ancap.No problem.>>541022586>there's noone feds fear more than Libertarians.I don't think that's true. I think feds are absolutely terrified of all sorts of groups for mostly completely irrational reasons. Feds aren't smart people.
>>541017377Why does he look like a Jew?
>>541022560That’s my fucking point jeetardo. All you can eat kosher buffet is when you convince blue haired trannys to defend WIC niggers drinking pop as socialism and passport wife bros that H1B is free market labor. They pander to each base by cherrypicking the idealistic shit and plugging it into Judeocracy. Obviously you can’t have socialism with open borders, if it’s too bad you get brain drain, it’s too good you get George Soros funded cargo ships of lazy niggers dumped on you.
>>541022698I've read Hoppe, I was making a more nuanced point about non-state democratic systems in hypothetical Ancap societies. I'm not a fan of authoritarian democracy or monarchy, I only really care about the degree of rights violations and how large the state is in respect to judging different governments.>I don't think that's true. I think feds are absolutely terrified of all sorts of groups for mostly completely irrational reasons. Feds aren't smart people.It's absolutely true. The elites fear "anti-system" Libertarians like noone else, we are their number one enemy, don't believe me? Take it from Klaus Schwab himself. He directly names us as the enemy that is "tearing down the system".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ3VSL_8LYU
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>>541003356Too many Libertarians are low IQ who let themselves be led by Republican fear mongering to vote for authoritarians.
>>541023041Exactly true, libertarianism is political goy theatre for white nerds.
>>541003356our movement got infiltrated by big corporate and destroyed. There's a major riff in the libertarian movement between the individual rights folks and the corporate power folks. The same philosophy we use to fight mass surveillance and structures of autonomy control are the same mechanisms the Walmart corporate folks use to advocate for a complete exoneration of their businesses that destroyed the working class economy. The libertarians that didn't swap to liberal democrat social freedom issues were forced into the Trump camp, only to be betrayed (again). We call the corporos "lolbertarians" and the anti PATRIOT Act folks have been scattered to the wind over 20 years of abuse and disillusionment
The only reason libertarianism was semi-popular to begin with is because government employees objectively suck and are lazy. No one likes them so people entertained libertarianism Now that everyone knows why they suck (Jews are in charge and structure the government this way), and everyone knows that Jews are responsible for all other problems, it’s much more sensible to be a Nazi or right winged. Also libertarians, at least the big thinkers and biggest speakers, love Jews, even though Jews disproportionately make up bureaucrats and politicians to the nth degree. Also in charge of corporations that work with the government.
Nobody is for open borders.
>>541022291libertarians were not "republicans pretending to be independent-minded." Libertarians specifically opposed the statist Bush administration and are further right than the demo-republican single party state, as if the right-left paradigm even illustrates reality.
>>541006403Retarded high schoolers fall for libertarianism.Edgy college kids fall for natsoc.Once you get into middle age and realize all the cynical truths of the world you realize that a capitalist republic is as good as it's ever gonna get.
>>541022843He was ethnically Jewish but not religious. He and Mises were basically the opposite of what some people hate about Jews. Instead of wanting to take other people's stuff their whole thing was respecting other people's rights.>>541023056>I've read Hoppe, I was making a more nuanced point about non-state democratic systems in hypothetical Ancap societies.I reread your post, it seems I initially misread it. I still suggest reading the Hoppe book about democracy if you haven't already. He really drills down in that book into why the economic incentives in a democratic system are not conducive to respect for property rights or the NAP. While of course I wouldn't suggest that advocates for and practitioners of democracy should dealt with aggressively, I do think that it is an idea which is incompatible with libertarian values and will almost certainly lead to eventual aggression on the parts of the democrats to impose the "will of the people" upon the people So while a community may form which practices democracy through a consensual contractual system in a libertarian social order, I think that eventually they would probably attack someone and need to be dealt with. Given the seemingly high risk of it I think it should be discouraged.>Klaus SchwabI think Klaus Schwab is more than a couple rungs above feds in the statist pecking order. I was talking about the sorts of feds who have subverted the LP, not the major players.
>>541024124>republicwhat republic the republic died on 9/11/01
Never give up, I cannot guarantee you we will win, but I can guarantee you there is a chance we will win, and that chance will never be extinguished unless the total technocratic control grid is established, and even then there's a chance, but if transhumanist dictatorship gets fully implemented it's probably over at that point.
Also “statism” is just a buzzword made by Jews. Even libshits understand this. Some things the government should absolutely do, it’s just that these things would recede over time as society became better/more white. Libertarians are the kind of people to see their white neighbors actually get help from a white government and say shit like “leeches!” They’re Crypto Jews. They don’t understand duty, or responsibility, or sacrifice. They would be the kind of guys to join the military for a pension, run away when they get deployed on the field, and shot in the back by the enemy. They aren’t team players by nature.
>>541024266liberty always wins but it could take a few hundred years and the controllers are doing all they can to phase out humanity before people come for blood
>>541024137>So while a community may form which practices democracy through a consensual contractual system in a libertarian social order, I think that eventually they would probably attack someone and need to be dealt with. Given the seemingly high risk of it I think it should be discouraged.Perhaps, that's a good argument, but I would make a meta point that it shouldn't really matter because all kinds of different subsystems would be allowed under Libertarianism as long as they respect NAP, the better ones would thrive and the worse would decline and ultimately the better ones would win out in the very long run, theoretically at least, I suppose it's kind of irrelevant, I would be more than happy with a basic Libertarian society with nothing attached, but I think it's important to note that voluntary democracy wouldn't be outlawed, unless the private community agreed that there should be no voluntary democracy. Libertarianism should ultimately be strictly NAP based, but still allow some flexibility for traditions, cultures, arbitrary societal prefences etc, so long as they don't violate and supercede the NAP, but yes certainly purist Libertarians probably shouldn't spend all day advocating for voluntary democracy instead of advocating for the NAP because that would seem to be counter productive.
>>541024360>Libertarians are the kind of people to see their white neighbors actually get help from a white government and say shit like “leeches!”no, that's what all rightoids do. nobody hates whites more than rightoids. rightoid racism is just an excuse to punish white people (better than one million white children starve than one nigger child eat, hope you understand goy, eat shit)
>>541024737Libertarians hate everyone because they are mentally ill freaks. The only thing they are good at is making compelling pictures of bureaucracies because those fucking faggots pick on the mentally ill (the weak) the most so they can write about them the best
>>541024417Pretty much, it could be tomorrow or a hundred years from now. I really fear that transhumanism and technology could end human freedom forever though. It is extremely important that technology be free and decentralized to the extent which it exists.
>>541023847See>>541006403Rothbarditards become Marxists, Hoppefags become fascists when each realizes that individualism is in par with ancient exodus, banishment, excommunication, etc. There has never been a single blip in evolutionary human history, nor in the animal kingdom when individualism was the desired state. And no collectivist society, human or animal has been sustained without a mechanism of separating predators and prey, friend or threat. A duality often swapping roles defined by evolutionary consensus. Lolbertarians and anti nationalist socialists cannot coherently defend against this. Everything else is just subversion.
>>541024989Technology will never be decentralized, because the nature of power is that they usually own resources and that means they can just get their hands on the best stuff. The better option is just a benevolent government run by white people aka nazism. Just make it a white country because power will always exist
>>541025053They don’t care. They’re selfish. They don’t wanna commit. It goes back to playing a game with your friends: why does anyone want a loser or a non-team player on the team? Lolberts are just that.
>>541024417>liberty always winsLiberty only works for white people. If you mix in any other race you end up with a dead society
>>541023938Gee, who’s the biggest collective promoting individualism.
Shilling for infinite jeet invasion because of some weird boomer survival of the fittest shit isn't a good policy position to people who aren't retarded
>>541025074That's highly erroneous thinking, the person who has the most resources does not always make "the best stuff" otherwise the USSR would have made the best everything because the all industries were monopolized into one department that had all the resources.The best strategy for making "the best stuff" is decentralization, it beats centralized systems 9 times out of 10, in fact the only way a centralized system can beat a decentralized system is if it has vastly more resources, and even then the odds are stacked in the favor of the decentralized force if the resource differential isn't astronomical, centralization is putting all your eggs in one basket. Rarely necessary, commonly disastrous.
>>541003356Still here, still a libertarian.
>>541025487>Hur dur well you see if you organize people this way you''ll get 200% potential This only works for white people. Your theories mean nothing when account for race and IQ
>>541003356>It's like they fell off the face of the earth about a decade ago.They did. They became miggers. That is all.
>>541024124No, what you realize is the system itself is of secondary importance to who controls it and who is allowed to inhabit it. That a system is controlled by white males and inhabited only by whites is far more important than anything else.
>>541025626No it's the same for people all around the world of all different races, even genetically identical populations demonstrate this. East vs West Germany, North vs South Korea. Even in Africa more capitalist systems will do better than more socialist ones. Your point has nothing to do with Libertarianism it's just a talking point that /pol/tards repeat like parrots. Dictatorships aren't prosperous for any race.
>>541025487But the person with the most resources can 100% crush anybody making better stuff by buying them out, or driving them into the ground.And if that fails just threaten them. They can't afford good lawyers anyways.
>>541024266>but if transhumanist dictatorship gets fully implemented it's probably over at that point.I think that if there is one thing which can be counted upon to save us from even that, it's the boundless incompetence of government employees.>>541024734>I would make a meta point that it shouldn't really matter because all kinds of different subsystems would be allowed under Libertarianism as long as they respect NAPagreed, but I would like to point out that allowed is not the same as liked or treated equally. I think that a democratic community would be discouraged from continuing it by being denied insurance for being too much of a risk, and their neighbors would put pressure on them to end their democratic project because being near a democracy would be considered an insurance risk. The free market has far subtler tools than the brutality of the state for dealing with problems.>I think it's important to note that voluntary democracy wouldn't be outlawedNothing so brutal as outlawry, obviously. Voluntary consensual contracts and non-aggressive conduct could not be outlawed while still respecting the NAP, although of course there would also be no compulsion to do business with them or treat them equally. They might be denied service or charged higher prices for instance, as I mentioned above in the case of insurance. Private roads might not connect to democratic communities, and utilities might not serve them, and so forth.>>541024989>I really fear that transhumanism and technology could end human freedom forever thoughI really doubt the state could accomplish that even if it were technically feasible. You're expecting the same people who run the DMV to become cyborgs and not die when their server reboots their brain.
>>541025809>No it's the same for people all around the world of all different races,lmao no it isn't. The history of the world is Whites competing with other Whites to shape it and mold it to their own will. This is why the best capitalist country in the world is one that was majority White up until 30 years.
>>541025721And how's that been working out?
>>541026037>This is why the best capitalist country in the world is one that was majority White up until 30 years.WDYM? Liechtenstein is still majority white.
>>541026114>Jews spent decades of human capital to ruin America so erm I guess no other country can focus on race anymore. What even is your point, retard?
>>541025856What are you talking about? The only way they can do that is through violence, but even in wars decentralized forces are more effective than centralized forces for the same resources, you see examples of this all the time.You've been fed lies that some bureaucrat controlling your life and attacking people is somehow effective and good, when in reality it only works when they have a gigantic monopoly on force and resources, this monopoly is not only disastrous for society and evil, it often fails and history is slowly tending away from it.
>>541026037Yes it is and I just gave you an example and reason for it, keep coping though that somehow totalitarianism is good.
>>541026275>even in wars decentralized forces are more effective than centralized forces for the same resourcesNot exactly true. There is actually an excellent work on military praxeology by some Polish guy that I can't remember the name of. It's worth a read.>>541025856>the person with the most resources can 100% crush anybody making better stuff by buying them out, or driving them into the ground.That's not actually how it works. If a would be monopolist wants to buy out all competition he needs to continuously buy out everyone who tries to enter into the market, and if he wants to drive competition out of business he needs to drop prices below what is profitable, keep them there until the competition goes out of business, and then repeat that every single tie a new competitor tries to enter the market. The only way in which monopolies and cartels can be sustained in the long term is to have the government enforce them. That's why the most heavily regulated industries are the ones with the most vicious cartels. Take pharmaceuticals for example. The war on drugs in combination with patent laws and all sorts of other regulations which are supposedly there to protect the consumer have made it nearly impossible for small businesses to enter the market. In order to start a drug company you'd need to start out with billions of dollars already. You can't just brew up some drugs in your kitchen and sell them, that'll get the cops kicking down your door real quick.
>>541026402>I gave you an exampleNo you didn't, retard. You gave me an example of whites vs whites, Asians vs Asians, and blacks vs blacks. A majority white country like America is going to always beat a majority black country.
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>>541026402I don't know why you're arguing economics with a natsoc. Those nutcases think platonic ideals have real existence and are more important than individuals. Unless you are willing to get into the weeds on very basic philosophy with a natsoc you're not going to make any progress with them. Watch this, I'll see if I can poke him into sperging out about it:>>541026601Nations and races don't have real existence. They're abstractions which are only useful because the human brain cannot easily conceptualize large numbers of individual people at once. A race or nation cannot really do something or have any specific characteristic, this is merely a way of describing the acts of individuals within that group who are in reality acting independently. It is only our belief that they are acting as part of a group that makes us attribute their actions to that group. Consequently any disparity between nations which have a majority of their population from a certain race cannot be explained by differences between those races, which are not real things in and of themselves. Instead they are purely attributable to the individuals and their actions who are being described by the abstractions of nations and races.
>>541006403fuckin this
>>541026601Ok? That has nothing do with Libertarianism, dictatorship is still bad for all races, I proved that point and you did not refute it.
>>541027161That comic was made by a Jew.
>>541007453>libertarianism only works in a high trust white societythis, its great in theory but you would have to live in 1776 America for it to work.
>>541027076Your perceptions are so limited, you believe in the social-construct "time".
>>541027076Society says "Men are disposable." Society is insane and delusional. It's so strange they get upset we see the manipulations and lies.Psychologists have observed and studied that 30% of women completely hate everyone on earth. That is HATE, mind you. The kind of hate that creates feet swinging from trees and gas-chambers. 75% of psychotherapists are feminist women that prescribe medication. They are not allowed to, but they write scripts anyway. Men cannot trust modern medicine.Whoever has authority over women has responsibility for them. Church, government, college, single-mother, whatever. That means you will never be the husband. Treat everything like a situationship. Dating and marriage are weaponized. Sl@very is permanent, don't get legal. Marriage, dating, buying anything for anyone, it all has laws that you are ignorant of.
>>541027076I find it very easy to debate all kinds of statists these days, it's like their position has collapsed, all you have to do is ignore and cut through all the ideology (it's all bullshit anyway), and debate one simple concrete issue with them that can be easily proved, then their position immediately collapses because it doesn't make any sense and they give up, it almost always works, I think statists have become cognitively impaired or something, or just suddenly lost all faith in statism, you can tell they don't really buy into it as much anymore, the zest has gone. Even the few good faith ones you can tell know it doesn't really make too much sense.
>>541027076>oh you notice patterns and differences n races? well that's just your mind tricking youReally thought you had a stronger counter argument other than "don't believe your lying eyes"
>>541027602No, we stopped caring about you. We're going to let you die.
>>541027258>dictatorshipany system will work if it has a competent controller. In the same way a tool can only be fully utilized by the smartest person a system can only be fully utilized and brought up to it's highest potential with the smartest race (Whites)
>>541027279Only if you want a democratic libertarian society, which presupposes the existence of a state which most modern libertarians reject. In an anarcho-capitalist society the existence of non-contributing or even dangerous people is an external matter, just keep them off your property and out of your town by force if necessary. >>541027314You seem to be conflating the notion of something being a social construct with it being imaginary or fake. The symbolic representation of the concept of time in our minds is not the same thing as time as it exists in physics, it merely represents it, but nonetheless time exists independent of our minds. Races and nations do not exist independent of human conceptions of them.>>541027496Gender and species are interesting cases in that they are social constructs which represent real and persistent patterns but those patterns lack existence independent of their individual members. There is no platonic cow, but we can definitely ascertain that there are characteristics of cowness and that cows are those creatures which can reproduce with other cows. That does not mean that the existence of the cow species is not an abstraction. The characteristics which make a cow able to reproduce with cows but not with pigeons are inherent to cows, but only individual cows, not a great cow spirit in a realm of platonic ideals.>>541027602I don't think it is easy to do that with natsocs, at least not the relatively intelligent ones. Look at what he's saying, that platonic ideals have real existence, that the will of a strong leader can overcome the economic reality that socialist planning cannot efficiently allocate resources, that there is some mystical race ghost which makes freedom not work for other races. You aren't going to convince the smarter ones because they tend to have a relatively internally consistent worldview, it's just not consistent with external reality.
>>541027759You can have a smart guy as your dictator it still doesn't make dictatorship a better system, objectively totalitarianism and high regulation is worse than voluntarism as I've proved with real world examples.That's twice you've failed to refute the point, you seem to not realize that you can't refute the point because it's just true and objective in reality, you can't escape the reality no matter how hard you try, sorry.
>>541027926>Races and nations do not exist independent of human conceptions of them.That's wild. so I only imagined blacks committing the majority of violent crimes and we've only imagined blacks having the lowest IQ of the races since we started measuring them.
>>541027619>oh you notice patterns and differences n races? well that's just your mind tricking youI notice that you're not engaging with my actual argument here, which isn't that patterns and differences don't exist, it's that the races don't exist. There is no gene or combination of genes which accounts for any one race to the exclusion of all others, and even if there were, that would be a shared property of a large number of individuals, not evidence of the existence of an overarching racial entity. You're noticing patterns, but the patterns are all there are, there is no underlying substrate to attach them to.>Really thought you had a stronger counter argument other than "don't believe your lying eyes"Is there some mass of tentacles which connects all people of a given race that I simply haven't noticed?
>>541027926>time as it exists in physicsAsk a physicist, time does not exist.Linear time is an illusion.We measure stuff that happens and the rate it happens compared to things like movement and orbits.Time is not actually a thing.
>>541028060>You can have a smart guy as your dictator it still doesn't make dictatorship a better systemIt absolutely does. It allowed Russia to become a nuclear global power in a short span of time and it allowed Germany to bounce back from WW1 and become a major European power in a even shorter amount of time. This is something you can't get or do with capitalism.
>>541003356Libertarians were always just Republicans who like weed and were more honest about their pedophilia. They’ll be back in force to complain about the next democratic president that mildly inconveniences a billionaire with light regulation.
>>541028138>I notice that you're not engaging with my actual argument here, which isn't that patterns and differences don't exist, it's that the races don't exist. There is no gene or combination of genes which accounts for any one race to the exclusion of all others, and even if there were, that would be a shared property of a large number of individuals, not evidence of the existence of an overarching racial entity. You're noticing patterns, but the patterns are all there are, there is no underlying substrate to attach them to.Patterns and differences stem from racial differences. In the same way I can observe and measure differences in animals I can also observe and measure differences in races.>Is there some mass of tentacles which connects all people of a given race that I simply haven't noticed?Yeah it's called genetics
>>541028172Hrmmm. Germany was a high-trust society.Well, now we have feminists ruining everything on earth for women forever.
>>541003356Libertarians have no power.They are impotent. Might as well cum on a tissue, least you have something to show for.......
