China ditches Microsofthttps://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-removes-microsoft-windows-at-state-users-ahead-of-planChina is pulling the plug on an older version of Microsoft Corp’s Windows 10, tailored for government agencies, taking another step toward rooting out the world’s most popular PC software in a broader effort to reduce its dependence on foreign technology.Why it matters? Because China has not taken a more recent Windows version into use. This mean there will be no windows in China.China has largely moved to Linux by now. But it is Chinese Linux developed in China.Chinese Ministry of State Security recently told some state-linked entities to uninstall customised Windows 10 software from their machines, people familiar with the matter said.That moves up the schedule to discontinue the operating system by several months, they added, underscoring Beijing’s increasing discomfort with using a key US technology.CMIT, a joint venture between Microsoft and state-owned China Electronics Technology Group Corp, was founded in 2016 to help ensure Windows 10 is compliant with Beijing’s security requirements. Windows 10 was released in 2015 in USA.
>>541031532SAAAAARS no!!! You can't do that, this is the Hinduphobia racism! We will get Trump and JeetDad Vance to nuke China for this!!!! You hurt Microsoft's income, you destroy the American dream of millions of Indians madarchode!!!
I’m surprised they still use windows given how many cia backdoors are in it.
>>541031736Trump gang told me we need millions of legal permanent indians... why is this happening?????
>>541031532Windows bros... it's over.
>>541031797they dont, by january 2027 there will be nonebut it is surprising they used it for 10 years
>>541031797Supposedly, they put restrictions on what microslop can do with wangblows for chinese government comps. No telemetry, no bloat, no ai, etc.
>>541031532Based
Chinese boomers finally comprehend how easy it is to hide and obfuscate malicious code inside an entire OS.
>>541031532Is there an export version of the Chinese Linux? I'd be interested in some system that is written competently by autist engineers, not jeeted bloatware like microslop.
>>541033163no the only version that exist is in Chinese languageyes, you can install it in Europe (from .ISO image) but you still need to be able to read and write Chinese to use it
>>541031532>Why it matters? Because China has not taken a more recent Windows version into use. This mean there will be no windows in China.>China has largely moved to Linux by now. But it is Chinese Linux developed in China.This is very massive news.We are now looking at multiple countries jumping on the Linux train, and high tech nations at that.China and Russia being the biggest, but we also see (partially) France, Germany, Italy etc phasing out windows on desktop.This may actually be the start of the Linux desktop era with probably hardened kernels under Russian or Chinese custodianship if you don't want the SE-Linux with NSA code and tranny takeover.At worst we may see a kernel split into an Eastux and Linux where Linux is the backdoored western version and Eastux is the possibly backdoored eastern Linux.I guess outsourcing more to India and leaning more heavily into AI slop everywhere will save the Microslop desktop this time. Raveendra is convinced and so am I.
>>541034294I am beginning to think USA foresaw that Windows will lose its touch and began to infiltrate trannies into Linux circles in 2015 in the hopes they can hijack all of Linux to be a surveillance mechanism just like Microsoft products were
>>541034369I’m still amazed at how fast the NSA got systemd shoved into everything
>>541031532I mean I don’t blame them. It’s gotten.., bad
>>541031532China can’t stop winning. It really is the zeitgeist of our time. Like Victorian Britain or turn of the century USA. The heavenly spirits congregate above where the see the most genuine activity, creating a feedback loop that lasts for decades. It really is Chinas turn, the divine right of kings, the mandate from heaven… all of it is real. And all of it has gone to Beijing
>>541031532>BSOD from forced updates>bricked entire enterprise use cases from bad pushkek winblows is fucking donezo, its wild that we will now look back in nostalgia to the Billy days, now that its been turned into nothing but an aislop poojeet hotshit mess>https://www.wired.com/story/crowdstrike-windows-outage-airport-travel-delays/Gee whiz why would China not want such an amazing product on their hardware?
>>541034369>I am beginning to think USA foresaw that Windows will lose its touch and began to infiltrate trannies into Linux circles in 2015 in the hopes they can hijack all of Linux to be a surveillance mechanism just like Microsoft products wereNot impossible, but I think that the trooning was inevitable with or without NSA involvement.And the NSA has enough people working on SE-Linux that they would be able to get code through regardless.But most surveillance of common people don't even have to be zero day kernel exploits or backdoors, you just embed code in normal apps.Why not target android/iOS and other simple vectors?Mass surveillance comes more easily from stuff like Candy Crush and reddit.
>>541031532>Because China has not taken a more recent Windows version into use. This mean there will be no windows in China.Fucking finally, when will whatever they're using become available in the west so I don't have to use this pajeet shit?
>>541031532Smart. We should be doing the same thing with Chinese products but we’re too retarded for that
>>541034294Chinese or Russian Linux.. ahm ahm LMAO LMAOYou do understand that both Ubuntu and SUSE are European ?
>>541034930the troon-a-ning in coding i chock up to 3 reasons. 1. coding requires sitting on a computer all day. Theres lots of times where you need to distract yourself from the work (to allow the subconscious to solve the problem) and you might open a social media. Being always online means you are more likely to fall further and further down algo rabbit holes and more likely to land in a grooming social circle. 2. troons are tribal like jews and jeets. Once theres one, they will move heaven and eartth to increase their numbers. We have all seen this in friend groups, at work, in clubs or activities.3. coders are by nature fucking nerds on average. yes the chad confident coder is out there, but they are few in number. fucking nerds want to fit in at any cost. trooning out allows them to demand acceptance. its like a philosopher's stone for the socially needy having said that. alphabet agencies being involved would surprise me, even if just to push the normie but uncomprimising, or the screech autist type, out of these sectors. They did this with women in business, then gays, now this. Push out the people that have the balls to say "no, thats not moral" and you can do anything you want with the organization and noone will say "no I will not"
>>541033163chinks cant build systems for shit, anything they touch is either a complete disaster or a 1:1 copy of a western product but with a billion times more bloat, bullshit and spywarethey will just use some upstream distro with minor tweaks, probably something dumb and stable like debianif you want something built by autists, for autists, you should try a bsd
>>541031532Total w*ndows death>>541031736>JeetDad Vancekek
>>541035275wechat and bytedance work well. but yes they are copies of western software motivated by spying>for autists, by autistsI prefer software thats for idiots by autists. Because then the advanced functionality is all embedded within it, but you don't need to drop to 20 hours to learn how to do step 1. very rare.
>>541035275>you should try an os for cucksno thanks
>>541035407>I prefer software thats for idiots by autists.thats literally just apple
>>541035465wrong, apple is for faggots
A handful of corporations pull out on Microsoft recently. Just goes to show they knew ahead of time and clearly shows which country they align with. Plenty of companies support communists
>>541035193>You do understand that both Ubuntu and SUSE are European ?I thought Ubuntu was South African, and nobody uses SUSE.Not sure what distro I will jump on next.I did like Zorin, but for work I needed to reinstall everything on the PC and I haven't gotten around to try linux again.By sheer coincidence, Zorin happens to be Russian.But the argument is more about the fact that we have 1.5 billion users in very technically advanced societies pouring time and talent into the Linux desktop and actually using it on the consumer side.These governments also have a vested interest in not allowing NSA backdoors into their kernel.So depending on how Linus manages this, we may se a split where Russia and China have their parallell kernel development to the western one.
>>541035465i gochu senpai
>>541035465if I didn't enjoy vidya, i'd be on mac. yes. If iPhones played nice with my pc, I'd still have one. It was better than android. I understand the allure of infinite customization. Theres something very nice about it (playing with a riced up arch-install on an old laptop). But I hate things like blender, its all there, but you need to basically get a degree in it to even just make a bouncing ball. where something like flash a retard could bounce a ball in 2 minutes.
>>541034294>This is very massive news.It is because both Windows and Office were massive moats raking in huge amount of cash. What's more important is that we will likely see phase out in industrial systems catch on more quickly now.>>541034369Doubtful that they thought Windows will lose popularity especially with push for onedrive and cloud accounts.
>>541035614android phones will always be for poor peoplewindows will always just be a boot loader for video gamesthats just how it is, i was genuinely surprised at how little work you could actually get done on windows and with microsoft products
>>541031532saars....how do we stop these bloody benchods?
>>541035786I have not had more friction on windows or office than others, more just that it just continually tries to reinstall bullshit all the time. That being said, I've been on libreoffice since the whole always online onedrive thing. If your OS actually effects your work output....thats a you problem.
>>541035889Windows is slow as shit lmao
If linux wasn't infested by mentally ill troons and idiots we could already have a functional OS that puts microsoft out of business.Linux is so sabotaged it has to be intentional. The muh kernels suck so fucking bad. They make it bad on purpose and force you to do everything through the terminal. Have to write sudo apt in the system prompt followed by code you got from google search for every fucking action. All so the user feels like some hacker genius.I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese just took linux and made it usable only adding features that the OS needs.
>>541035889thats easy to say when you havent actually been to greener pasturesmicrosoft office and libreoffice are about equally garbage software, if youve tried iwork for even a week youd realise that easilyand the same applies to the entire operating systemwindows is horrible, and anything other than vanilla linux with busybox is an equally messy disaster
>>541035758>It is because both Windows and Office were massive moats raking in huge amount of cash. What's more important is that we will likely see phase out in industrial systems catch on more quickly now.Yeah, that I think was in the works for some time already.Just the fact you can avoid bricking your device from forced updates is already massive.But you also have the option of setting up company internal repos with vetted software.And the alternatives are now about as good as MS Office (I remember early OpenOffice which was the best alternative and could take two minutes to open a document, and then it shat itself as soon as it got a large dataset to work with.)For industry I see virtually no reason why they shouldn't swap unless we are talking about designers or people requiring specific CAD software etc that is Miscroslop or MacOS dependent.But we are no longer in a time when, for instance, accounting is done on local clients.It's all web based, occasionally with an Electron wrapper which is cross platform.The hurdle has for a long time been familiarity, program compatibility and gaming.With China forcing Linux everywhere while also sitting on several game studios and being forced to make, or improve, the Office suite alternatives we are looking at a serious threat to Microslop.
>>541035948iduno is it that hard to type update and then press enter
Eastern Orthodox Linux or Western Cuctholic Microshit
>>541035909does a 2 ms vs 50ms keystroke latency really matter? I'll grant you that its bloated as all hell. And becomes less and less snappy with each new version. File explorer sucks, and will huge files will bog you down. Try File Pilot. I picked up a license when I was fucking around more with video files. Haven't reinstalled as it just doesn't matter. "The work" is so rarely affected by speed. It makes "the work" more annoying, sure. but so what.>>541036007I've used apples office stuff. Again, the hard part is writing the documents, not navigating to the document app. The reliance on tooling is a crutch, notepad, notepad++, vim, emacs, visual studio vscode....none of these options should impact output. The hard part is the thinking before typing, not the typing or the program you type into. Have a preference, sure, fine, I no problem with that. but feeling handicapped? crazy talk.
Windows for me has been dead since XP left. Skipped vista and barely used 7. 10 was a bloated mess of spyware and anti user garbage and im not touching 11.XP was the last time I cared about Windows.Been using bazzite on my god pocket 4 and steam OS on my gabecube. Before that linux mint
>>541036101>For industry I see virtually no reason why they shouldn't swap unless we are talking about designers or people requiring specific CAD software etc that is Miscroslop or MacOS dependent.That's what I meant, stuff like siemens digsi or sirius software that's used for power relays and such. You need those for a setup ,and those require Win10-11-servers. And every facility needs those components which means you need that software, that requires windows license.China moving away from Microsoft means their products will be built either with cross platform support that support both legacy windows stack and whatever they come up with at first, and later complete phaseout. And with their manufacturing it will spread fast.
>>541036158if "writing documents" is the only thing you do all you need is wordperfect from 1979hell, you can even make do with that ibm typewriter that sucks the letters back onto the tape if you press backspacebut for everything else that requires even a little graphical work, pages has almost completely replaced indesign but for fine control over printersmeanwhile anything graphical is so frustrating in either microsoft office or libreoffice that the only real way to get any work done is to quit and use something competentperformance is horrible too, both of them take MINUTES to load up, from an SSD
>>541031912I'm pretty sure they use a very customised version of Windows.In 2003, Microsoft signed a pact to share Windows source code with Beijing officials to ease security concerns.
>>541035948Why are normies so scared of command line? "sudo apt install [program]" oh my Science that's so hard I'm having a meltdown! You can just use a graphical package manager if the terminal scares you so much.
>>541031532> China has largely moved to Linux by now. But it is Chinese Linux developed in China.In the West you will be very familiar with Chinese Linux: most phishing and smsishing infrastructure runs on a Linux family called Pagoda Linux downloadable at bt.cn . Use at own risk and you will need to be able to read simplified Chinese.Huawei also have a family of OS called Harmony that runs on everything from Android to PCs. It’s listed at Huawei.com
>>541036684>minutes to loaddon't turn off the program, easy fix. >graphical workthe OS really doesn't matter other than walled garden stuff, and yeah adobe has gone down the shitter. Premiere fucking blows. But that program blowing, never affected my output meaningfully. Its more frustrating than it not blowing, fine sure 100%. And if at that level of annoyance means you can't do any work....then you have problems. Even in Design work, the hard part, is the thinking before you click a key or placing a stroke. Just saw a great interview with Rostov, the dude who did the disco elysuim artwork. Was impressive how fluidly he switched between programs and trad and digital media. The program didn't matter to him at all. HeavyPaint looked like him. Photoshop looked like him. Arcylics look like him. Reliance on tooling is a crutch or a delusion. A preference is natural. But it ultimately doesn't matter. >wordstar for the win
Great! Hopefully this will help develop desktop Linux a better experience.The Chinese might come to reverse the decision. Millions of users are just so used to the windows environment, systems have been integrated with windows and many best tools run, are maintained and supported only on windows.
>>541035440>Intel Management EngineThanks for bringing that up, it's scary shit.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine
>>541037500i dont have adhd, i close applications when im not using themthis is like not flushing the loo in between shits because it saves on water
Windows is spyware. Of course they shouldn't use it.
>>541038524>I won't eat if my steak is touching my friesyeah that would ocd, not add. completely agree. If thats what you require to operate. Yeah maybe tooling is very important for you. I'm very glad I don't get hung up on that. But a "work product" is not the product. The end user doesn't care how you get to the pixels on screen. I've worked with people that were helpless outside their preferred environment/tool chain/workflow and its always sucked to collaborate with them. If you abandon reliance on the nitty gritty of the "how" and solely focus on the "what" you want at the end, it goes so much better. I view it very much in the same vein as "higher level languages". By abandoning the machine, you get to concept and isolate what you actually want. Not the source code, but the actual output.
>>541040699youre arguing with yourself
>>541031532based. windows is so gay now it has login buttons in fucking notepad and paint and start menu looks like shit
>>541031532It's funny how that Linux hype not too long ago came to a screeching halt when everyone who fell for it and installed it realised they either a) couldn't run anything that they wanted to or b) couldn't figure out how to install anything. And then just went back to windows lol
