In philosophy there are two groups.1) those who believe that consciousness arises from physical things2) those who believe that physical things arise from consciousnessRacism only makes sense if you believe that consciousness and the soul live in the DNA molecule or are generated by the DNA molecule. If certain genes are wiped out then a certain percentage of the totality of souls are wiped out. Somehow the soul split up over time too into fragments, and basically all souls today came from the soul in picrel. Just trying to make sense of it all.
>>541036352>consciousness arises from physical thingscorrect
>>541036352Pakicetus was smart enough to realize it would have to deal with woke globohomo shit millions of years later so it noped back into the water
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>>541036352But what about physical things that arise apparently not from consciousness?Does a widget exist because we believe that it exists, or because some consciousness within the widget makes it exist, or does the existence of the widget in part grant us consciousness? And all of this seems to ignore the supernatural which I think is inappropriate to exclude from philosophy.
>>541036352 consciousness is mushroom magic
>>541037330What's your point? ALL physical things apparently don't arise from consciousness. Also, to say that physical things arise from consciousness is not the same thing as saying it exists because you believe it exists or you created it etc.
>>541037746So you reject the idea that physical things arise from consciousness, or assert that otherwise they do in some undetectable or supernatural way.How then do you think most apparently unconscious widgets exist, like for example the computer you're using? Did the components pop into existence because we conscious beings believed in them? Or maybe they exist independently and we believe in them anyway?
>>541036352Ontology cannot produce God but it can provide his office quite easily. Hume was so obsessed with is ought, that he didn’t stop to think ought is.Kant realizes you can’t evaluate reality from outside of reality so derivative systems can never be ultimate, and this is confirmed pretty much everywhere as a general anti-recursion principle. Godel’s theorem shows it in an abstract sense. Recursion might as well be the mechanical psychological form of pride. Newton’s observations weren’t total. Einstein came along. So since when does man having the capability of evil establish it as a legitimate moral ontology. Entropy pretty much shows everything has contingent dependencies. You have a causal intelligible order. God of the gaps isn’t the right phrase. Deriving the only explanation being God without producing him is more so the point classical theism has been going for.
>>541038028>So you reject the idea that physical things arise from consciousnessDidn't say that. The mind is obviously greater than the consciousness of the individual. This is evident from how memories can be triggered by smells or sounds, or from how you know that you know a word deep "in the back of your mind" but you can't get it up, you try unsuccessfully for an hour, then several hours later it pops up. When someone teaches you something, then an idea has moved from outside of your mind and into your mind, it wasn't in your mind at first. etc The OP said "physical things arise from consciousness", it didn't say "everything physical arises from YOUR consciousness", or "you are God".https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/5827/pg5827-images.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley
my soul could only exist in my bodyexterminating all shitskins means they get reincarnated as whites after their souls are purified in the afterlife
>>541036352This is a fallacy of biased framing. The second "group" is hardly a group at all. There exist hardly any idealists in academic philosophy today, it's a position held by a handful of crackpot outsiders
>>541038876I said nothing about "academic philosophy today".
>>541036352>Racism only makes sense if you believe that consciousness and the soul live in the DNA molecule or are generated by the DNA molecule.not necessarily. it also could be that nigger bodies are just bad receivers for human souls.
>>541036352Both are incorrect. Consciousness doesn't exist in this dimension. Consciousness exists in a higher dimension and the body serves as an avatar to which the consciousness is attached temporarily until death.
>>541036352>Racism only makes sense if you believe that consciousness and the soul live in the DNA moleculeIt's 2026 no one cares about racism anymore.Also racism is entirely rational, and only aggressive racism should be addressed.Now, quit being a pseudo-intellectual gay nigger on MY Internet.
>>541036352N I G G E RIGGER
>>541036352youre scientifically illiterate; first of all regardless of "soul' a cat will always behave as a cat it has a cat motor cortex it has cat visual cortex it has a cat body you utter retard. What we call personality is bound inherently by the default network prefrontal cortex etc. We know this because cutting away parts of this removes/alters the personality. Evolutuonairy speaking if birds in the darwin islands can develop indiviual beaks only 40km apart from one another then such behaviour must also occur in humans whom evolve in utterly different environments. You have zero proof consciousness arises first as there is no medium for it without the body; super basic hard problem of consciousnessyou can only be utterly retarded, also soul isnt scientific at all and noone claims consciousness arises from DNA alone its an EMERGENT property of complex systems of nerve endings
>>541040048>racism only makes senseeffeminate retarded reasoning racism exists because we needed pattern recoqnition to see and survive; we also have innate ingroup preference because it also again makes survival more likely. theres a clear logical reason humans are racist and will be racist forever.Not to mention today because of Psychology chads like myself we have statistics to back up and prove most stereotypes. Like asians with higher IQ, Blacks better at art and physicality, Whites better at innovation out of box thinking. If you simply observe the areas these different races live at that all makes total sense. Could it be nurture? yes it could but not júst nurture because nurture can only exist within the groundrules of nature the body the temperament the brain.
>>541039825By racism I mean the idea that it's important to preserve and propagate your race through physical means. To prevent mixing with other races through breeding. To prevent your race from dying out through lower fertility rate etc. You believe your soul was the same soul that your grandparents had and that your children have. If you don't have children your soul dies with your body, but if you have children your soul lives on as their soul. But someone of another race is another soul. A child has genes from both parents but only the dominant genes generate the soul apparently. Or whatever. There are never any actual arguments behind it.
>>541040289noone believes this crackpot nonsense, you dont need a soul for any of this just better genes higher IQ for example
>>541036352>1) those who believe that consciousness arises from physical things>2) those who believe that physical things arise from consciousnessBoth are true
>>541036352if the uncaring universe in which conscious beings devour itself can perpetuate live without the need of recycling souls its more likely you dont reincarnatr then do. ofcourse no one can know for sure but to assert its true or even likely is nonsense. Why bother reincarnating me in some Indian when you can just as easily generate the indian independently. There is no reason for the one who looks through your eyes to be transferred to another body, even if so if its an animal body you can only take the base temperament with you and nit the human personality
>>541036413fpbp.And that's why I'm racist.Also, that's why our current path won't ever give us true AI.
>>541036352YOU can only ever exist at the exact time location culture society and parents and genes that you spawn with. If my "soul" where to spawn in africa i cannot nor ever will be me, i would have different body parents ethics laws society etc. different genes different neuron and brain expression. Different volumes of neurochemicals (ex. if I were a woman id have more seretonin if a male more dopamine)
>>541040289>By racism I mean the idea that it's important to preserve and propagate your race through physical means.Maybe it is, Have you seen spics? Brazillians?
>>541036352The nihilist is no more than a Talmudic goylem who is incapable of reasoning. To be divorced from God is to be divorced from Reason itself.That's why there's no point in talking to self-pitying nihilists who are simply hungry for attention that they've never received.
>>541036352>>541036352>those who believe that physical things arise from consciousnessHow can someone genuinely mental gymnastic himself into believing in such illogical nonsense?
>>541040628Nihilism is indeed retarded absurdism and selfactualisation is based though. You dont need a godhead to not be a nihilist faggot, you can simply understand the reason for life is so subjective beings experience the objective; which in turn makes the objective have reason to exist. My ego doesnt need to cope with a godhead or heaven to not be nihilist. I have the privilige of experiencing life and the only ticket i have to pay for it is suffering. How is that not beautiful that im allowed to do this; this life. If i were to live forever it be so meaningless. If i were any smaller or bigger it be so meaningless. But here under these exact conditions all my brain can process;simply because that is what processing is; i can observe and experience meaning.
>>541040802>you can simply understand the reason for life is so subjective beings experience the objectiveHow do you know that this is the reason for life? What makes you so sure?Subjective beings (humans are finite & fallen) can only produce subjective outputs (limited & imperfect). God is the only objective being in all of existence, thus the goal of the Christian is to realign with Him, realign with the objectivity which allows us to live fuller, more wholesome lives.Romans 8:29 - 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.Romans 12:2 -2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
>>541041431everything your senses process is from the objective (walls doors etc)your body is objective matter with emergent cells living within said matter to create the subjective experiencer. Survival wise everything we do is to keep experiencing. An empty dead universe is utterly useless and can only exist on the objective dimension like an empty minecraft server its just code just waves. only when we enter the server does the objective get elevated. Its still just a theory yes but it comes closer to a solution then jewish fairytales
>>541036352how would physical things arise from consciousness? please be specific.
