When a thief steals something, he takes something from other people without their permission and uses it to pursue better living conditions for himself and his family. The state does the same thing through its welfare policies. It forcefully takes $100 from the most productive members of society and gives $50 to corrupt politicians and bureaucrats, and spends the rest on the least productive members of society. It is nothing but theft. The state was supposed to stop theft, not commit it itself.
>>541040632You could try caring about others
>>541040632What state?Every state in the world has been about chieftains, lords, kings and emperors redistributing resources. At least modern social democracies do it in the most benevolent way possible.Nightwatchman states are an ancap fantasy that will never work.
>>541040777Of course, I do care about others. But when the government forces me to do it, it's not charity anymore. The government can't create fraternity without resorting to theft. Just because I don't want the government to force me doesn't mean that I don't care about others.
>>541040914If that's the case then you just have to accept there's a level of sacrifice required to have a stable society and not everyone would pay their share if they weren't forced. Can't always have everything we want. Sometimes we have to make do.
>>541040632>>541040914how much do you make a year?
>>541040977Americans sacrifice rises every yeah with situation regressing every yeah.Something here aren't right.
>>541041172>>541041226>Anger and rageYou're not worth talking to. You'll never see past your own malaise. If you could, you would. But you can't so you don't. Good day.
>>541040977The job of a legitimate government is to secure the natural rights of man. If it does this simple job properly, society will automatically become more stable. It can't do anything beyond this without resorting to theft. I don't know why you people treat the government as some sort of god that can solve every problem on Earth. It has very limited capabilities.Also, it's funny how you said I can't always have everything I want, but for some reason, you expect others to have everything they want using the very money earned by me
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>>541040777Mill your own fucking flower kike, unless youre physically unable. In which case iay do it for you if you have no family to do so. Im not here for you just remember that. Im here for me.
>>541040914>I don't want to be forced to charity>And for sure I never ever forced my workers to be productiveHeh...
>>541043067Workers can leave their jobs if they think the work is too burdensome; nobody is forcing them to do it. There are many other options, and they are free to pursue whatever they want.
>>541040632You cannot have a safe first world country without welfare, welfare effectively exists for 3 reasons. The first is to stop starvation and horrible things happening to people aroundSecondly to stop common pilfering, for instance in India they can't even tarmac a road because hundreds of people will dig it up to sell it so they can eat.Thirdly to stop people rising up and causing mass riots, theft and murder. Right now criminals cause all the problems, who are a fairly small number of people. If you add on the poor it will balloon and become uncontrollable.The cost of welfare is less than the cost of militarizing all living areas so you can own a nice car and not get killed when you get out of it.Welfare exists for your benefit, as a tax payer who likes to own nice things and freely roam around while using them.
>>541041442>I don't know why you people treat the government as some sort of god that can solve every problem on EarthGovernment isn't god, but it's the next best thing. Trying to solve problems for everyone is what gives government legitimacy among the masses. Enforcing the "right" of rich people not to share does not by itself give government legitimacy, except among rich people and those who believe themselves to be a temporarily embarrassed rich people.
>>541040632the dumbest, cheapest kike propaganda.redistributing is what the state does. And war/force, laws, money/economy and culture, if he's smart.A state without some socialism is not a state. Lolbertarians are dumber than commies because their fantasies at least partially existed. HH!
>>541040632Silence, migger.
