>trillion dollar military industrial complex>60 missiles per year
So about $3m per missile. That's a pretty good price.
>>541042652They're really good missiles.
>>541042652Anything for Satan
>>541042652Isn’t MIC war production stuff supposed to bolster the economy? George W did it and it worked great for a couple years
>>541042652Tomahawk missiles are specifically launched from ships at strategic targets. You only really use them if you attack a country which still has radar air defenses, otherwise like in Iraq and Afghanistan they just send in aircraft to bomb them, much cheaper. And of course you also need your fleet parked nearby.60 a year was enough before attacking Iran. A few hundred tomahawk was always enough to take out most of the defenses before an invasion.Same deal with Patriots. The US never had a war before where they had to defend against thousands of missiles coming at them.
>>541042652Why not Tomahawk steak?
>>541042705$3m for a non-stealthy subsonic cruise missile? That is not a good price. A Chinese DF-17 is $2m according to the well-known military Weibo blogger Ayihttps://weibo.com/6285204404/RaCKyh0Pu
>>541042705how the fuck do they still cost that muchthey know how to make all the parts and put the thing togetheronce you have all the programs to make the parts you just shit them out at like 3 cents per part
>>541043002>You only really use them if you attack a country which still has radar air defenses, otherwise like in Iraq and Afghanistan they just send in aircraft to bomb them, much cheaper.Ok but what do you do if the enemy has passive infrared tracking which they wheel out sporadically?
>>541043166Military/aerospace grade components are expensive, so is R&D and the margins from subcontractors and Raytheon are probably alot higher due to the low numbers
America is a sham
>>541043251Infrared has limited range. Typically fighter jets can overfly them at a high enough altitude.
I'm sure a world of progress requires more missiles and AI surveillance. yeah.
>>541043370yankees keep getting hit by itAlthough most of the time it's drones
>>541043166These things run on computer chips and fuel.
>>541043293>Military grade componentsare shit. The problem here is there is only one supplier and one factory and they set whatever price they want.
>military industrial complexyou mean upper middle class ZOG obedience reward system?
>>541043571>go for a security clearance>expects you to not have the 5th amendment and expects you to admit to crimes>if you don't admit to crimes, then it's illegal for lying to uswow what a great system built to genocide people in the middle east
>>541043166https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/is-us-defense-industrial-base-building-enough-tomahawk-missiles-hk-031526>As a result, producing a Tomahawk missile is a slow and complex process. From the moment the US places an order, a missile usually takes 18 to 24 months to complete—a sprawling timeline that reflects the complexity of the system, which requires thousands of precision components. The total cost of each missile ranges from $2 million to $4 million, depending on variant.>Specifically, the Tomahawk includes:>A solid rocket booster for launch and the Williams International F107 turbofan engine for sustained flight>Various guidance systems, relying on multiple different means of navigation for redundancy>Composite materials for the airframe and structural components>Internal fuel tanks>Specialized launch hardware>High-reliability electronics>Shielding systems that protect onboard computers from electromagnetic interference>All of these thousands of components must meet strict military specifications and be rigorously tested under a variety of conditions, resulting in a missile that is extremely reliable and accurate but slow to build.
>>541043647the thirdie is angered and confused by Quality Control
>plannedyeah I'm sure that'll happen, it's not like trump would lie or make shit up
>>541043445Drones don't fly high enough. They use laser guided weapons, which generally have a low range. They also can't afford to carry a large and high powered targeting pod, so their laser target designator also has a practical limit.The Reaper drone technically has a service ceiling of 50k feet (while flying unloaded), but it usually flies between 15k-25k feet, just outside MANPADS range but well within larger vehicle-launcher IR SAM range.
>lol
>>541042778They were. New ones are built by jeets and programmed by retards with ai
>>541043319Damn what a disgusting photo.
>>541043844>Quality Control>Trump>QualityC'mon anon
>>541043166Pea brain take, they ain’t making burgers you fat fuck
>>541044650literally no more complicated than a consumer car
>>541043647thats all fucking nonsensedo you know how easy it is these days to manufacture components to these sorts of tolerances?its piss easy the average coffee maker has components that are on the same level of precision because it's just that easy these daysthese missiles are 43 years oldsure theres stuff that is newer in them, but the vast majority of components are designed 4 decades agoyou say "thousands of components" like that means anythinga dirt bike has thousands of components a fucking bicycle on aliexpress for 300 dollars is made of high precision carbon fiber layup/mold/construction shit is such a fucking joke
>>541043166It's called economy of scale.
>>541042652We have over 10,000 Tomahawks. We don't need more. If we had twice as many, you'd be complaining that the government is taking farmland to build missile storage facilities to store 200 missiles per state. We're not even firing them off, we're just selling them.>>541043144>according to bloggersI guess we might as well get PC Gamer's opinion on this too since we're reaching really fucking low for information at this point.Considering other nations have fired hundreds of Chinese rockets at US assets and still haven't actually fucking hit anything, it's not the price I would be discussing. Take my word for it because I also have a blog. Give me 5 minutes and I can write this post there for you if it really sells it to you.
>>541044985>have over 10,000I mean have produced over 10,000. We don't need more to begin with. These are commercial military products. These are going to NATO and the EU and the European taxpayer will pay us for them.
>>541042652To go from 60 to 1000 missiles/yr will take considerable upgrading and increase in infrastructure which will takes years.
>>541042981At this point I would expect the missiles to be made by indians and mexicans, not anyone white
>>541042652>>trillion dollar military industrial complexGuess what the largest expenditure of that budget is.
>>541042652these have hardened electronics which are made in the USA by probably Honeywell and then they have the Williams F107 engine, it's designed for one flight and it needs to be reliable enough to take right off after sitting still and doing nothing for 10 years on a warship while some sailor jerks off nearby.
>>541042652We literally can't do it. Same with all those new ship contracts. There aren't enough of us who know how to build things. And they don't pay enough nor have the facilities to actually meet these new giant contracts. And they can't build a goddamn thing because every available private sector dollar is going exclusively to data centers and yachts and private jets.
>>541043647all this to kill school children in fucking desert!
>>541043166Because only one company gets contract for it, you won't buy another counterfeit Tomahawk from Amazon or Aliexpress. With rocket technology there is so many laws that even Space X is basically property of USA and can't start making rockets anywhere else.
>>541042778>>541043998I think Tomahawks are the best deep strike missiles. Which one are supposed to be better? The EU does not even have anything land-based with that range.
>>541043370>Overfly them>Subject to radar AA>Fly too low>Get tracked by small thermal ISR platforms that are used to place IR missiles wherever they wantNATO intellectuals
>>541042652the US is a paper tiger that is used to fighting tiny 3rd world countries and can't sustain conflict for longer than a few months, the corruption and logistics are far worse than what exists in Russia, at least Russia manages to trudge along
>>541044985He's considered pretty reliable and with access to inside info due to posts he's made in the past. I guess if you don't follow the Chinese milblogosphere then it doesn't mean much. Perhaps you're familiar with the Russian milblogger Fighterbomber, who is a Russian analogue.>other nations have fired hundreds of Chinese rockets at US assetsWhen did this happen? In case you meant Iran, China hasn't sold arms to Iran since the 1990s. In case you mean FN-6s exported across the world, well, it's a budget product.
>>541046712And if you mean Type 63, well, these are from the 60s as the name implies
No rare earth, the US isn't building shit for awhile. They are scrapping old bass Amps that had neodymium magnets from Carvin. That's how desperate they are.
>>541042652Worried.jpg
>>541046461they're subsonic, without any stealth, basically just an upgraded V-1 really>>541046461France and Britain both have comparable systems and the only reason your country doesn't is because it had to sign a bunch of stupid treaties after WW2
>>541042652I bought Raytheon and Lockheed stock to hedge when Trump went full retard.Looks like my bets will pay off.
>>541047325France has a ship-based system. Other than that there is nothing.
>After signaling that the United States might transfer Tomahawk cruise missiles to help Ukraine defend against the full-scale Russian invasion, President Donald Trump reversed course, indicating that the Pentagon could not spare its limited stocks of the medium-range weapons.No more excuses then.
>>541043002miga cope
>>541043844the israeli loyalist is confused by contractors with zero loyalty to the country not getting 50% profit margins on every step
>>541046653At least getting illuminated by radar always gives you a warning and plenty of reaction time. IR missiles are passive and your missile launch warning system may or may not pick them up, and even then you only have seconds to react and your flares may or may not work. This is why flying high is greatly preferred.The general tactic is hitting long and medium range radar SAM with Tomahawks, drones and cruise missiles, and then spamming anti-radiation missiles like HARM against the remaining short range radar SAM as soon as they turn on their emitters.Flying low is always a massive risk because it's impossible to detect MANPADS before they fire.
>>541049717>turn and burn survivalVictory for the defender
>>541042652what are we fighting against? an interstellar civilization? why do we need so much weapons?
>>541043293>Military/aerospace grade components are expensiveBUT WHY??
>>541042652Yeah? They weren't using anywhere close to 60 a year before the hormussy.
>>541046653No one mentioned sporadic IR tracking AND radar, you retarded nigger. Obviously things change if the circumstances do, you retarded tranny.
>>541042652every other country is spending money on drones. and we're still building 1970s cruise missiles.
>>541043002Or you could just not attack other countries, ever think about that Schlomo?
>>541042652>1000 units per yearTry 130 in 3 years luckily.
>>541043571Only Jews get the best jobs in the military industrial complex. They still hire lots of Jeets and even use prison labor to make their parts.
>>541053629This is a Jeet farm currently recruiting for Northrop Grumman and Lockheeb-Martin. Yes, these are actual Jeets who can barely speak English, who get your resume from job sites and cold-call you for job opportunities. "American" companies who lobby to murder Americans, hiring Jeets instead of the many unemployed Americans. Think about that for a bit. They're complicit in the genocide of Americans.
>>541053743This Jeet farm is currently recruiting for General Atomics, which is hiring now because all those drones are being destroyed in Iran. Again, these are Jeets who were brought into America and are recruiting for GA now.
>>541052157Isn't it funny how all these new "war unicorn" startups are always run by Jews with ties to Israeli intelligence? This trustworthy guy for example. He seems really trustworthy to me. Would you trust his overpriced garbage long enough for him to flee to Israel when the torches and pitchforks come out?
>>541042652Americans are the most corrupt people to ever exist.
>>541042652I still don't comprehend how tomahawks can fly with just the lift provided by those tiny winglets.And neither do you:https://youtu.be/QuLo3tWRSu0
>>541042705No it isn't. Tomahawks were $500k a pop 20 years ago. They should be less if they're producing more.
>>541043166It's called price tag and a private sector living from the public treasurylmao
>>541053958You will slurp honey out of their assholes if they’d let you.
>>541042652>Planned to be increasedYou don't have the raw materials, the infrastructure and the know how to scale up production.
>>541054844How do you know Americans let people slurp honey out of their asshole?
>>541045337what? disability?
>>541054607> $500k> 20 years agoAccounted for inflation already?And for the current scarcity of rare metals?
>>541042652Too bad they aren't complete due to the lack of a rare earth source.They are all empty tubes
>>541045645This is the point of course.
>>541042705half the cost is the paint job
>>541053629>>541053743>>541053814>>541053916Good posts.
>>541042705That they use on a one way 10k drone.https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1787159526539098.mp4
>>541042652So about 3.3billion per year for missiles. We spend about 1+ billion in welfare per year in the city of vienna
>>541043166every company involved is getting their peice of the pie at the expense of the American taxpayer
>>541055265He said YOU would IF we let you. ESL. Learn to reading comprehend.
>>541042652Peak production during the cold war with our massive industrial base was a mere 500 per year. Why the heck does anyone believe that with our atrophied industrial base that we can double that peak???
>>541042652Empire of Evil $ hissss
>>541055891Would you let me slurp honey out of your asshole?
>>541042652Remember when Soviet / Russia was known for the rampant corruption and money laundering ? We're well past what Soviets/Russia was/are doing.
>>541049812The more bloodshed Yahweh gets to see from above the fish bowl the harder he cooms. That's what it comes down to.
Russia makes more than that of one type in a month and 7 million artillery rounds a year.
>>541053629So basically a gulag within the land of the free. Impressive. They forgot to plaster stars and rainbows over this one.
>>541042652(((Raytheon))) ... another manufacturing giant taken over by Jews during the so-called (((Cold War)))
>>541043166economies of scale does help but you can't get them pennies cheap, because these devices require precision, which i guess slows stuff downSee computer chips which are very expensive despite being made in the thousandsI assume they could make tomahawks $100k tho
>>541042652>$22.9 billion>1000 missiles>price will balloon to 67.9 billion>will get maybe 70 missileslollmao
>>541042652https://www.rtx.com/raytheon/refunds
>>541042705Imagine how many schools the Navy can smoke!
>>541043166>how the fuck do they still cost that muchIt has a jet engine.I think that's the bulk of the cost.It's basically a one-use jet plane.That Ukrainian "Flamingo" costs less than half but they use old 2nd hand Soviet era jet engines nobody else wants anymore.A smart find but once they run out and have to make brand new jet engines it will probably cost almost as much as a Tomahawk.
>>541058671I think it's 7000 missiles: 7 years, 1000 missiles per year.
>>541043251you take some losses now and then, but generally turn that country into rubble at your leisure.
>>541043392Or the boot dropping
>>541058979such niggerlicious nonsense from America since the geran 4 and 5 also use a jet engine and there is no way those things cost more than $100K equivalent.
russia significantly reduced kh-101 production due to the high interception rates. cruise missiles are too slow, easy to track, easy to shoot down even with planes. and the kh-101 is superior to the tomahawk in virtually everything except accuracy. they shifted to using ballistic missiles like iskander-m and hypersonic cruise missiles such as the zircon. they recently introduced a new ultra-low cost cruise missile alternative for the kh101 called the S8000 banderol. a much smaller and cheaper cruise missile that can be built in vast quantities and while it's still easy to shoot down, they can be launched in much greater numbers to exhaust air defenses.the US is still way behind in their thinking. all this expensive crap has got to go. industrial warfare means you need cheap but effective weapons that can be made in vast quantities. bring back the sherman tank mentality. 3 million dollar tomahawks that will be shot down by 50k dollar interceptors is no way to win a war.
>>541042705>$3m per missilehow the fuck is that a good idea when it's about as useful as the Ukrainian shit being used to blow up refineries?
>>541059651>the US is still way behind in their thinkingNo they aren't lolWhat politicians are thinking is:>"I'm 70 years old and need money. Raytheon is going to give me several hundred mil to start a war. I will start a war."Nothing more to it. These people don't give a shit about winning, losing, deaths, the future, etc. None of that even registers in their brain for even a microsecond.They know exactly what they are doing they just don't care about the results. Because why would they? Most of the current politicians will not be alive during the bulk of this war.
>>541043166all US manufacturing is a fucking joke. that's why. that's the brutal TRUTH NUKE that people don't want to address. Bonus that no one wants to deal with milshit clearance + part manufacturing is overregulated slop.a lot of these aerojoke companies could learn a lot if they'd just look at what car companies have been doing for decades.>b-but car parts aren't the sameya, no shit.
>>541042652a very expensive dildo
>>541042705Not when cheap drones do a better job for a fraction of the price. American military toys are built to win the cold war that never happened, and they have been vulnerable to guerilla tactics, improvised weapons, and low cost munitions nonstop since the Vietnam war.
>>541045645An Alibaba tomahawk would be kino.
>>541042981Except for that whole great recession thing, that permanently crippled America and sealed it's fate as a collapsing empire.
>>541049967the materials are exotic and hard to machine. keep in mind most this shit is just used as a slushfund to fund commercial operations, which require the most advanced (lower fuel and maint cost) + highest safety (don't want 300 people dying in one oopsie).the milshit is just a means to an end. for raytheon specifically? they merged with UTC for a reason, to get more commercial exposure.
>>541043319>when your cheap foreign labor replacement watches you sleep on the street America deserves to collapse.
>>541043844>the thirdie is angered and confused by Quality ControlLmao
>>541043844most of it is just overspec'd bullshit though, not QA. Reminder this is a one-way suicide machine.
>>541044985>from the current 60 a yearyouve been secretly building tomahawk missiles for hundreds of years?
>>541059604Tomahawk flies twice as far and twice as fast while carrying a 50% bigger war head.It's still far more expensive pound-for-pound but the differences are much smaller per capability.Thing about Tomahawk is it's only designed to take out important hard to get targets deep inside enemy territory like command center bunkers and long range air defense systems but Hagseth being an idiot with zero military experience used it for pretty much anything so he ran out.
>>541043293Just like pharmaSomeones got to pay for the R&DGod Bless the USA and President Trump
>>541047620>there is nothingyou can't be this retardedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Shadow
>>541042652I need more shekels goy!
>>541042705You could build 60 shahed/geran drones for this price.
