Contractors need to be whipped and cajoled at all times to get a good job out of them. Like squeezing the juice out of an orange, you don't give it a gentle hug, you squeeze that shit until it falls apart to extract the delicious juice. They are programmed to do the worst job you will accept. It's not about money or time, it is just their instinct to maximise the extent to which they half-ass the job. If I had my way we would strap a little bomb to every contractor and at the end of the job if the client wasn't satisfied some of them would go off at random. t. project manager
>>541043099I disagree. They should be held responsible for their behavior.
>>541043099Beaners do the shittiest work you ever saw. If you have the time and tools, you’ll do a way better job on your first try.
>>541043099YOU shouldnt have rights. >tramp/kid on the ground scrolling tiktok and you take this as example out of what you understand youre not supposed to care for children in their room pay your bills Tyrone hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>541043396have you tried hiring non-Irish contractors at least once? You would be surprised what a lack of 24/7 drunkenness can do for productivity, Micker!
>>541043737Pretty much this. Hire sober White carpenters and you’ll never see more uniform gaps and clean caulk lines anywhere else.
>>541043693>"hwite" people tape their floors when theres a stranger in their houses.alright buddy go figure out why numbers are in that particular order.
>>541043737No he's right, we hired a contractor to fix our chimney and their fucking spics were going to reuse damaged boards until we caught them in the act>t-then d-don't hire contractors using spicsGood fucking luck finding any where I live
>>541043396yeah, but then the cunt should just stay and deal with them herself.but for that, she's too cowardly. she will ask you to supervise their work, then nitpick even the tiniest shit after they are gone, and expect you to call them and raise a stink about some shit you thought was perfectly fine.by now, I just tell any woman she either deals with them herself, or she lives with whatever I approved in the end and keeps her mouth shut.that shit is just too obnoxious to deal with.
>>541043396Are you hiring random subs you don't know? Why? Is it some lowest bidder shit? I was a general contractor for 15 years, and that's basically all the job is, just knowing which subs to hire and having an in with them.
>>541043528i'm so sick of it. i hate my work. it's shoddy and temporary and looks cheap. so i save up and have 'professionals' do it but it looks just as bad and some shit actively fucking breaks a month or two later.what's the fucking point of earning and spending these useless plastic scraps we call 'currency' anymore
>>541043952in plenty of cases you're better off doing it yourself whenever possible. it's you who will be living in that place, so it's you who will be giving the most shits about it being done properly. for the contractors, it's just another monday and they'd rather be back at home.I wouldn't touch stuff like water and electricity since it's too easy to fuck that up, and you are legally on the safer side if someone else is responsible, but a lot of stuff can be done by yourself.I've done the wood ceilings in every room by myself. took quite some time and effort, but I'll live with this for a long time so it's better to have it done properly once than to take the easy route and then live with shoddy shit for that long time.
>>541043952Wtf are you working on? None of this shit is rocket science.
>>541044075electrical shit i actually find myself good at but you gotta carve holes in walls to get at it which is where i fall short.plumbing i have my father-in-law for, which is fortunate. christ i'd hate to spend the money on plumbers and electricians and risk the same shit-ass work you get from basic construction and carpentry shit
>>541044124i'm not going to the effort of listing my shortcomings so you can be dismissive and reductive about them. this isn't my first rodeo.
>>541044187If you know someone who can do it, just go for that I guess.I am 90% certain I could get it to work, but I'd rather not hit the 10%, burn down the house, and then have the insurance deny all claims because I did that work without a loicense, kekMy general experience though is that most "services" are scams. Whenever possible, you're better off just buying raw materials and doing it yourself, be it cooking, construction or whatever else.The more your service purchase is motivated by "I'm lazy and would rather not do it", the more likely you are to be presented with some shoddy, overpriced shit.
>>541043952In principle, it's not really an issueThe problem is our low trust societyThe introduction of massive amounts of niggers and non-Whites has had a depressive effect on the population. Everyone is uneasy. They've been victimized by these niggers, probably several times.When that happens for long enough, the collective standard falls.This is the erosion of society in action.
>>541044342yes there's a lot of societal decay at play in this shithole. in a better world we'd be regularly hiring people we know by name because we'd be living in far more tight-knit groups. now you're lucky if you can pronounce the name of someone working on your house.
>>541044342You can think of it this way, when you hire a guy to build a fence:a.) In a high trust society, he internally fears that there are others out there that can easily do a better job than him, so he wont get any more work, so he better do a good jobb.) In a low trust society - Everyone around this guy is doing shit work and getting away with it because there's no alternative. Internally this guy thinks "If I spend too much time or money on this, then it's totally inefficient and uncompetitive for me" or he's a nigger and didn't care to begin with
>>541043396The best thing you can do is talk to them, gives you an excuse to supervise and watch over them so they dont fuck everything up.
>>541044220People should be dismissive of this type of attitude. >I can't do itI've seen Mexicans who can barely read do it. I could teach a dumb monkey to build a house. There are only two reasons you can't do it: 1) you have the IQ of someone with downs syndrome, or 2) you just don't want to.
>>541043737What he's describing also applies to contractors here
>>541043396200 years ago, people who weren’t smart enough to be tradesmen were tenant farmers. They didn’t own land, they just tended the land, got drunk constantly, and had a dozen kids they didn’t bother raising. This is the lower half of humanity.People who were smarter and more capable ended up placing their own male children into an apprenticeship at 14 (which ran for 7 years). That kid would be an expert tradesman by 21. This system retained smart people into one class and poor retards in another. And it worked pretty well with regards to skilled trades.After the Industrial Revolution, there was less and less of a need for manual farm labor. Those retard farmers all moved to cities and started taking items from conveyor belts and placing them into boxes. “Factory work,” as it was called. Again, they were perfectly apt and content with this. It required the same brain power as cutting down corn, and their retard children would take the same kinds of jobs.Throughout the 1980’s to today, those jobs have disappeared. They’ve either been offshored or automated. So what does the lineage of those 19th century tenant farmers do? What options do they have?They become truckers and shitty tradesmen. Trucking is fine. Even Indians can sometimes drive trucks without killing people.But most people in skilled trades aren’t smart enough to do the job. It’s not their fault. They’re just genetically not fit for it, and it’s the j oook boy option they had.
>Call for a quote on a roof>White guy in a new Ram glances at it and says no problem, spends the rest of the time talking about my motorcycle and how much we hate northerners moving down here>Mexican guy in a beat up old f150 shows up later, quotes me over $2000 more than the white guywtf?
>>541044592Not worth the time, money, or opportunity cost to DIY, retard. Unless it's a hobby.
>>541043099The fuck does that mean, his gf is particular to what?
>>541044982Feast or famine as a default way of life. >if I land this one big contract I’m safe from having to work for a few weeksVs>if my prices are a little better I’ll always be employedThese are only tangentially related to the quality of work you can expect. The former is high time preference and retarded. The latter is forward-thinking and able to plan for the future and at least of average intelligence.
>>541044805The trades have, to some degree, been dumbed down over the years. The "skilled" tradesmen aren't really needed for basic home shit today. Framers aren't cutting birds mouths for rafters, they have trusses. They aren't cutting mortise and tenon joints, they're slapping some cheap ass spruce pre cut studs together with a pneumatic hammer. They aren't straightening crooked beams with hand planes, they have manufactured beams, and if those are not straight, they just nail that shit up anyway. I doubt you could find anyone on a modern home construction site that even knows how to use a hand plane. Even things like plumbing are dumbed down. They don't measure, cut, and sweat copper together, no now they just roll out some pex, cut it at whatever length, and slap a clamp around it. The only thing that has gotten harder is the technical stuff, but the actual craftsmanship of it is basically gone. We got rid of that so we could teach dumb monkeys to do it. Who gives a shit if it falls apart in 10 years, the construction warranty was only for 1 year.>>541045260>mentioning opportunity cost while shitposting on a bootleg Japanese cartoon porn forum Lol
>>541044474affects pretty much every aspect of life, too.women use that as a dating strategy for example>what does it matter if men don't like sluts - I can fuck around as much as I want because every other women does the same, men won't have options
>>541043396you can fix that if you pay hourly, a 50% ass job takes 1 hours, 2 hours for 90% and 4 for perfection 100%then the client can choose how much they want to spend
>>541043099Looks like she picked out the pattern and realized she didn't like the knots in the pattern. What a stupid bitch and her husband has to work even harder to fix this for her dumb decision
>>541043396I have a contractor who helped me build my store and he did a stellar jobIf what you’re saying is true then I guess I got lucky. He’s actually a good friend of mine too lol so that might be a factor His family and I are cool with each other
>>541046017Yes, the competency crisis is real. We see it in home construction because it was hit first and hardest zRemember the Colonial Oil Pipeline ransomeware attack in 2021? The people running it were dragged before congress to give answers as to why there wasn’t a many backup control in case of emergencies like this (as a pipeline is critical infrastructure). The Colonial representative said straight up “all of the people who know how to do that are either dead or retired.”A solid chunk of the economy is being held up by a few thousand highly paid boomers who refused to train anyone under them. Or HR didn’t bother to hire a replacement because they couldn’t find anyone to fill a starting position for $14/hr that requires a masters degree and 6 years of experience.
>>541046366Women don't care. I once saw a woman throw a fucking fit wanting $250,000 worth of glass to be replaced, because she didn't like the tint. Even though she was the one who picked the tint out.
>>541043396Fucking based. I can't stand these motherfuckers. I should have learned house shit instead of car shit, but then I'd be complaining about mechanics.
>>541043932Joe schmoe can only get so much out of reviews. No to mention sub contracting bullshit, nothing better than hiring x only to get y company show up, even had a guy use subs in his uniform which were probably just 711 spics.
>>541043396>hire illiterate spics and nogs>the work they do is shit>how could anyone have foreseen this kys
I don't even want to own a house because I know at some point mexicans worked on it and also any contractor employs dirty spicsWould rather live in a tent than allow browns into or around my home
>>541043396contractor here, we think project managers are uppity fags, kys
>>541043433Then you have to treat femoids like children. Take away their agency and watch them throw an infantile tantrum every time they dont get their own way
>>541044075Electricity is stupid simple 240v and below and one of the physically easiest trades to do.
>>541043099I don't get it
>>541048643You can't hold children responsible for their behavior. The parent is responsible for them. Women are adults and they need to get jobs and they voted for it.
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>>541048641>we thinking project managers uppity and proudy and not respecting us saarThat's because you're subhumans who don't deserve respect. Do a good job consistently and you might, but we both know that's not happening.
>>541049577>You can't hold children responsible for their behavior>Just let children and women walk all over yougolly you failed even before you started. I suppose you were never corrected as a child and become a stupid pos to live out your life in solitude.
>>541043396based af.I've hired so many contractors from Craigslist to premium high end, they all do the same shit job. Have fired many.Hired a friend of a friend GC. His crews fucked him. His contractors also ficked him - but it wasn't my problem. to chase down anymore, like the painter spraying all over the new bathroom hardware, tube, etc, didn't even lut paper and tape uo to stop overstay just went in there probably drunk or high and went blasting.I hate construction workers with a passion. pieces of shit.
>>541048643What a retarded thing to say.
>>541049951Do you think children should be allowed to make medical choices for themselves?
>>541043869replace non-irish with non-spic and you've just made the same argument you're trying to argue against you fat retarded cunt
>>541043396lol I just got back to my office from a site visit and the retarded spics forgot to install an entire psl column in place on the first floor (among other retardation, there are buckling LVLs too).
>>541049663kek, I had retarded conversations like that before where women convinced themselves that their failures were only because men set them up for failure
>>541050416>I've hired so many contractors from Craigslist to premium high end, they all do the same shit job. Have fired many.you are a fucking dumbass nigger dude. you deserve everything you put yourself through.
>>541043396You are 100% correct.
>>541050466Absolutely not.And women voted for it because they're easily impressionable automatons. Logic is not a female trait. It's genetic but so be it. And women are responsible for most of Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome. They literally over administer drugs to their own ofsfpring. It's a mental illness and child torture so I wouldn't trust women with any medicated responsibilities past over the counter meds. Just look at the huge increase in the cosmetic surgery industry for proof of that.
>>541043396I'm a contractor and I apologize. I can only work up the prideful motivation to do a good job in one out of ten jobs. :(
>>541043693Go back to sharty, retard
