this board likes to make shit up like saying austrians are slavic, but the balkaners here are not, because they are pre indo europeanthey call Hungarians white even though they are asians and Romanians non whites, even though they themselves say they areis there any source for all this shit or are schizos making shit up based on who they dont like due to their ancient ethnic grievances
AUSTRIANS ARE UGLY WITH THEIR DARK SKIN AND EYES !!!!!!
>>541060013Austrian is fake. You are east bavarian. The shittier kind.
DARK HAIR, NO BLONDES IN AUSTRIA!!!!!
The Austrian-Hungarian empire was a based-as-fuck multicultural white heaven. You never realize how good things are until you lose them.It also makes you recognize how evil the gays are, like in Ukraine
>>541060013Austria is genetically closer to Hungary than Germany on average. Pic semi related I don’t have the one for Austria saved, but Hungarians are no different from their Northwestern Neighbors and are not genetically related to the old Magyars.
>>541060013Austrians are celtoids
>>541060013MARCH OF THE TITANS
>>541060013we are mixed people in a transit zone.conquered and changed many times.meds, nordics, slavs and celts features are all common here.
>>541060013>this board likes to make shit up like saying austrians are slavicA significant part is.Carantanian slavs used to occupy modern Styria and Carinthia (Steiermark und Kärnten), and they got slowly germanized over time.Austria also was home to the cradle of Celtic civilization with Hallstatt going back to humans that have been in the area for 7000 years. Hallstatt is considered the first culture that can be called "Celtic".Of course, you also had massive Roman influence and later the Germans, including the HRE.Human activity in Austria with its central position goes a long way back, so it shouldn't be a surprise that there's even some Slav DNA in the mix. People have been living here since at least the neolithic, after all.
>>541060812part 2
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>>541060013>austrians are slavic, Austrians indeed are part Slavic and have considerable admixture, especially in the east. They are not purely Slavic, probably not majority Slavic and they don't speak a Slavic language. But they also have placenames that are Slavic as well and have assimilated them.>but the balkaners here are not, because they are pre indo europeanAll Euros have pre IE DNA, this is a meme response due to the prevalence of haplogroup I2, which belongs to the only truly indigenously European haplogroup family, it's also common but less common in East Slavs.>they call Hungarians white even though they are asians Memeposts claiming the original Magyars were Asian when in fact they were basically a type of Baltic/Finnic like people>and Romanians non whites, even though they themselves say they areRomanians are white but they can be annoyingTl;dr: the quality of /pol/ has gone downhill due to an influx of browns, We find ourselves in a telephone game of increasingly degraded information. Browns will make everything like India in some form or another, abstractly speaking. None of them are White yet they will claim they are Brown lighter skin mudshit or Hindu Aryan bramins and they are based because they will produce more Browns and that's just heckin based and tradpilled. I want off this ride.
>>541060100shut upyou are west austrian, chud>>541060358>>541060633>>541060859>>541060997>>541061365i see>>541060812>>541061099>>541061212i aint reading all that chief
>>541061931WHITE POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>541060013austrians are germans living in the mountains
>>541062226nothing against you brotha but i just wanted some redpills, i am not into scientific racism due to my flag
>>541062304>austrians are germansNOPE!even germans aren't germans
>>541060358Hungarians are closer to Austrians than to Germans. Doesn't imply distance between Austrians and Germans. I don't know how transitive these measures are. I also doubt the veracity of this image since it has been posted 163 times already, mostly by Serbians and Romanians. I welcome sourced links to genetic studies.
its the second one OP, this board is full of schizos
Austrians are a mix out of celtic west slavic germanic and early european neolitic farmers. The happlogroup G2 (rubust hair, dark har strong features, thick eyebrows) is in the genetic mix because those people got driven out by migration but ramained in the mountains of switzerland and austria. So basicly most of austrian genetics is very different to thw german one. And yes cultural we are mostly bavarian but not entirely true. Its a mix of cultures. Never forget austria in its shape today exist since 1945 before it was much different shaped and before that it was splitted into many small countries/districts. It is a very complex topic i have taken whole university classes about this. But basicly austria hungary slovenian tschechian are geneticly very close. And a mix out of west slavic, keltic, germanic and early european settler tribes.
I don't care as long as I get the Mindestsicherung
>>541060013Hungarians aren't Asians lmao they're European whites who speak an Asian language. Their genetic makeup is white European.
>>541060013Austrians aren't often included in genetic studies due to the presence of closeby people that can easily act as proxy, you obviously have some Slavic ancestry, even south(east) and east Germany has it
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332196273_Y-chromosome_haplogroups_from_Hun_Avar_and_conquering_Hungarian_period_nomadic_people_of_the_Carpathian_Basin
This is what your average austrian looked like in the 2000s now we have a lot of migration. But if anyone wants to tell me they arent white i have to call him retarded
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35617951/>The Magyars originated in the Southern Urals and were related to modern Khanty and Mansi people of western Siberia. They were a numerically small elite caste that died out and left no genetic trace in the modern Hungarian population which is of Pannonian Slavic origin and genetically almost identical to neighboring Slovaks and Austrians. The only thing Hungarians inherited from the Magyars is their language.
>>541065175It's a shame they left out Czechs and Austrians because they are quite close Hungary.
>>541064648how come they all speak german?
Why are you retards still treating Y-DNA similarity like gospel when it's literally 1% of your total genetics. Haplogroups are meaningless for determining anything other than the fact that one male ancestor thousands of years ago was genetically related to some other male ancestor. An R1a German has nothing in common genetically with a Ukrainian R1a.
>>541067021>R1a German has nothing in common genetically with a Ukrainian R1a.ajde ne seri, golube beli
>>541067307>let's take an ancient Corded Ware haplogroup and call it Slavic All of those ancestry tests are modern astrology.
>>541065790is celtic and germanic two different things?
>>541067696nearly all that has been posted ITT is autosomal DNA analysis not Y-DNA
>>541060013https://youtu.be/aNfM7xnUaOc
>>541067799genetically you are dealing with relatively close groups but still yeah, close but different enough that you can tell if you look closely
>>541068116i seeand what are the white parts like italia spain and greece?
>>541067893>autosomal DNA analysis not Y-DNAQRD?
>>541067799They're all meaningless marketing monickers because those genes are older than any modern ethnolinguistic group. Ancestry tests are a scam because they're telling you about your "ancestry" by matching your markers to populations they themselves attach names to. Basically, the company supplying the test is deciding which genetic group falls under which ethnic umbrella. So then you get bullshit like >>541067307 where an ethnic German is somehow "Slavic" because they're a match for some genetic population the manufacturer decided to label as "Slavic". But it's all bullshit. You're not actually learning anything, you're just finding out that your genetic cluster bears resemblance to another genetic cluster, and that the manufacturer decided to label that cluster as belonging to a specific ethnic group.>>541067893It's the same marketing gimmick. There is no "Germanic" or "Irish" or "Polish" gene. They're attaching labels to genetic clusters based on location. In case of Prussians/East German, they might render as "Polish" because the manufacturer decided that this specific genetic cluster endemic to a specific region is "Polish" because it is currently within borders of Poland. It is true that East Germans have genetic proximity to West Polish, but that doesn't mean they're Polish because the label is attached based on vibes. If the modern border looked different, you would probably see West Poles labeled as East Germans.
>>541060013austria is an irrelevant rump state since 1918 propped up by USA and German money.
>>541068284Y-DNA is a specific patrilineal marker, representing only 2% of you total DNA. But because it's passed down patrilineally, it's incredibly useful for tracking ancient human migrations, population movements and assimilation events. It's not foolproof, there are caveats and nuances to it (like founder effects, unequal gender birthrates, social effects and such) but it's generally useful. It's more accurate to look at autosomal DNA, which is your non MT or Y DNA and represents the vast majority of your DNA. Sometimes you see a mismatch, over-representation of a certain haplogroup among the population, but very little of the group which contributed the Y-DNA's total DNA in the population, like India. So you can have like 40 or 50% a certain halopgroup frequency in a population but everyone is only around 5% of their total ancestry belonging to said group.
>>541068221it gets more complicated because you have, even putting aside Germanic contributions(usually not significant), both different sources of "northern" ancestry as well as "southern" ancestry, basically the more you go west, the more you have northern/steppe ancestry from bell beaker culture peoples as well as ancient DNA from the first farmers, whereas the more you go east the more you have Slavic ancestry in Greece and eastern mediterranean DNA in Italy and Greece>>541068284you have 23 pairs of chromosomes, 22 are called autosomes and are present in both males and females and recombine i.e roughly 50% of yours are from your dad, rest from your mother, they are what essentially makes you what you are, but because there's recombination they are harder to analyze; the other two are X and Y chomosome, X similarly recombines, Y is cool though because although very small and not containing a lot of information, it mostly doesn't recombine, you inherit it from your dad identical or with some mutation which happen slowly enough that it works a bit like a genetic surname, so it's easier to track and you can build kind of global genealogies, though it doesn't really contribute much if anything to how you are i.e phenotype
>>541068385it's pretty clear you aren't informed because you are mixing up modern DNA from ancestry companies like 23&me which indeed determines their clusters based on the places they get their samples from, and indeed their utility is finding your relatives or broadly where you are from in the last 500 years, whereas what is being posted is based on ancient DNA from academia recovered from specific cultures archaeologically related to given groups and that can be seen to expand together with the aforementioned groups, like the detection of the Slavic expansion in >>541065135
>>541068385>It's the same marketing gimmick. There is no "Germanic" or "Irish" or "Polish" geneThis is not true because haplogroups mutate and you have population specific subclades, it has to do with how much you generalize and interpret. Haplogroups themselves are dated, when we talk about R1a like you mentioned in an earlier post, R1a is a very large clade. There are lots of subclades. It's true that Germany and Scandinvaia have R1a that is a different subclade than East Europe, that's because there was a population of Ancient Indo-Europeans that spread across Europe. Some settled in east Europe and became Slavs, the rest continued west and north and became Scandinavians. But also Germany indeed has large presence of Slavic R1a too. Germany assimilated groups of Slavs, we know this just form the historical record because it was not that long ago.
>>541063951>chinkopakoid gypsyWhy do you think your opinion matters?
>>541060013Genes can be jewish and sue you for your shekels.
>>541066645Since nobody answered yet: Bavarians. They brought German when they moved into Austria after the fall of the Roman Empire. Every bigger institution (nobility, church, etc.) maintained German as the preferred language until the Habsburgs pretty much sealed the deal with compulsory schooling and their efforts to Germanize everyone they conquered (of course they famously failed with that with Hungary).
>>541068773>>541068833I work with ancestry-based citizenship claims and let me tell you that I'm just losing my mind from all the people coming in with 23&Me tests. In regards to Poles with significant German ancestry, they are confused because they have ancestors who spoke German, ancestors who never had any ties to Polish culture going back centuries (documented lineages with German names going back centuries), and yet the ancestry reports either trace or zero German ancestry. And then I have to carefully explain to them that those ancestry tests attach national labels to anational genetic clusters based on regions and where those regions fall within modern borders.There's a reason no serious country accepts 23&Me results in citizenship applications and this isn't because "ethnicity" is some abstract concept or because "race isn't real", but because those testing companies intentionally mislabel certain genetic populations, either for simplicity or for other reasons. And that's how you end up with retards on 4chan arguing that East Germans are secretly Slavs because a genetic test says so. And then I always ask, "okay, who's doing the labelling? Because this is just raw genetic data and you're attaching meaning to it based on vibes".
>>541069580that these tests are sketchy at border countries is to be expected to be fair, distinguishing "Polish-Polish" ancestry so to speak from some generic ancient Slavic ancestry in Germany is hard, they'd need lots and lots of data and high resolution, while these kinds of errors would be lower if, say, someone has Irish and Italian ancestors
I consider Austria to be a Yugoslav Balkanic gypsy country.Turko-Slavic like Bulgaria and Hungary.Hitler also agreed with me.So its settled.
>>541069799>generic ancient Slavic ancestry in Germany is hardAnd at this point I'm asking "is it actually ancient Slavic ancestry or is it just labeled as such by whoever is doing the testing". This applies to more academic research too because the labeling problem is exactly the same. It's not something you fix by being more thorough because at the end of the day you're trying to attach ethnic meaning to genetic data.And the reason I'm pushing back against it because it inevitably leads to Panslavist retardation and claims that East Germany or Austria are actually Slavic even though they're obviously not. And I've seen it repeated way too many times to a point where it actively vexes me.I do believe that phenotypes and phrenology are a much better indicator, but we've abandoned and discredited that whole area of science in favor of genetic testing and abstract labels after 1945 for obvious reasons.
>>541069580It's not decoding the genome that's the challenge, it's assigning certain genes to a certain group. You could say a Slavic gene is indeed a German one based on it's presence in Germans and wow would you look at that! These Slavs are Germans! Stuff like I think happens a lot. But you're disregarding the facts that East Germany is indeed part Slavic. Toponyms are Slavic and Slavs lived there. They still do, Germany has Slavic minority groups still extant like the Sorbs. So how did they get there?Countries giving citizenship is just unrelated because you're dealing with a political state who bases it on other things, like you mention.
