The universe runs on fixed law with no confirmed exception, ever, under controlled observation. No miracle has survived rigorous scrutiny. That's not a philosophical stance, that's the entire track record of experimental science.Now take the god that actually matters to a person praying, hoping, looking for a sign — not an abstract first-cause, but one who listens and responds. That kind of god makes a testable claim: intervention should be detectable. It's been tested. The largest randomized study ever done on intercessory prayer — over 1,800 cancer patients, double-blind, controlled — found zero effect. Patients who were prayed for did no better than patients who weren't. In the one group that knew they were being prayed for, outcomes were slightly worse.That's not silence. That's a direct measurement, at scale, of the exact claim — does appeal to God change outcomes — and the answer came back no. Combine that with a universe that has never once produced a confirmed deviation from physical law in favor of anyone, and the responsive, listening, plan-having god doesn't survive contact with the evidence. Not unknown. Tested, and failed.God isn't there. Whether this is an experiment or a failed, unwatched system is another question, but more likely we are the result of a scientific and mathematic process that has occurred over eons. We have emerged by chance and are living in a 'kill or kills' world ruled by starvation, terror, and evil. If there is something there, you should be very afraid of it because it is no friend of the living.
the ai is not in heaven
>>541072116"god" is imaginary. real? yeah, but only in imaginationreligion is pure delusional cope pretty much all the time, especially the abrahamic ones
>>541072116>and mathematic processmath is not the reality, math is a derivative of reality.they are not the same thing.>We have emerged by chanceactually its inevitable because of thermodynamics.
>>541072116https://youtu.be/0M6x8vV0cV8?is=iHeWwoU1qWKm56vo
>1pbtid gAy.I. faggot OPcool
>>541072116What you claim is unknowable and you are trying to convince others of your beliefs just like religious people do.
>>541072116>"red pill" doesn't believe in the Monad
>>541072116>Why God isn't realbut he is, I assure you
>>541072116What if AI finds the actual God you can talk to?
>>541072116But anon, we have to trick people with a lie about a benevolent god to keep them hopeful! Not me of course, I can be aware that it's all a fraud, but these dumb hylics who aren't me obviously need it!
>>541072636>source: trust me bro
>>541072116If you don't put any time in writing an argument and just have AI generate it, don't expect anyone to treat it seriously.Anyway, nothing your AI wrote invalidates a God. Christianity and miraculous personal gods aren't the authority on God. Science can only describe empirical phenomena within our system not validate something outside our system.
>lol
>>541072116>hear a man was crucified and resurrected>run science.exe>crucify millions of men>observe>none of them resurrect >case closedWhy are atheists so stupid? You realize the basic qualifier of a “miracle”, like the bare minimum, is defying the laws of physics?It is such a fractally retarded argument. It is perfectly reasonable to doubt miracles, but in your post-hoc rationalization as to why why you doubt, you expose yourself as a brainlet pseud.Let me give you a biiiiig hint as to why your brain doesn’t work properly:>you aren’t actually engaging rationally, you are unironically just angry at your own, personal imaginary friend.That’s the secret. You created a retarded clownshow tulpa that you sardonically named “god”. He lives rent free in your head and fucks with your ability to think clearly, including your claim that you don’t believe he exists.I believe I can actually prove that claim, if you are interested: you believe in a tulpa of your own creation, which you have named “god”; and it has muddled your rational capacity to the degree you are unable to differentiate between it and other concepts of the same label.
If god isn't real, why not kill all the niggers?
>OH MY HECKIN SCIENCE!Go back, fedora-tipper.
>>541072116Boltzmann's Paradox requires a prime mover, although it doesn't require the prime mover to do anything after the prime movement.
>god isn't realOk, we kill the niggers and spics, and give everyone a virgin wife. Why not?
>>541073150This is such a dumb low iq thought experiment. Why can the universe itself not be the first uncaused cause?
>>541073273Because the universe is causal, anon. In order to be uncaused, something must be from outside the universe.
>>541072116There is a flaw in your argument. God is not an unthinking force of nature. He can choose not conform to your randomized study. Why would you think god would allow himself to be tested this way?
>>541073405Why can the universe not be uncausal? You're doing this game of special pleading where "The universe has to be causal cause I Said so but god, no god is special he doesn't need any cause at all!"It's purely fucking retarded.
God is real. Guys such crazy shit happened in my life it is unbelievable, like working with the last people of an indigenous tribe or dating a hot girl whose dad was a young Francoist in Spain. Super crazy shit. I know there is a God and he watches over me.
How many of you fools will burn in hell for eternity rather than disagree with a robutt?
>>541073595Better to burn in hell with friends than to go to heaven with a bunch of Christian strangers.
>>541073273>Why can the universe itself not be the first uncaused cause?Here kang, you dropped your holy book.
Christcucks are the reason we aren't exterminating the niggers right now
>>541073583You are welcome to argue the universe is acausal in your quest to flee from truth, but I think you’ll quickly find that position impossible to defend.
>>541073650Yeah but your magic skywizard and his infinite regression make so much sense.
>>541072116>The universe runs on fixed law with no confirmed exception, ever, under controlled observation.this is actually not true but i am not here to teach you quantum physics
>>541073649>burn in hell with friendsYou won't.You will be absolutely alone, cut off from God and all comfort for eternity, because you chose it.
THERE IS A GOD AND IT'S THE JEWISH GOD. JUDAISM IS THE CORRECT RELIGION. FUCK ALL OF YOU
>>541073716>Yeah
Any of you guys who believes in JC or other idolatry will burn in hell
>>541073705So, you're not actually attacking any argument I have made you're just personally attacking me here. What created god and if god doesn't need a creator then why does the universe? It's special pleading.
>>541073764>Magic books are evidence though7
>>541073092you'll get arrested
>>541073761>JUDAISM IS THE CORRECT RELIGION
>>541072116“God” is just a word nothing more.
>>541073802Far more reliable than magic Photoshop.
>>541073854Holy fuck you might legitimately be the dumbest person on earth.
>>541073940Not while you are still around.
>>541073979You should McNutt yourself retarded faggot.
>>541073788I feel like I literally just explained this, but I can simplify for you.The universe is causal. (Feel free to argue against this)Uncaused things would need to be external to it, because of its inherent causality.I’m curious if you realize you are actually doing the special pleading, not me. I can explain, if you need me to.
>>541074175You should stop being so proud of how intelligent you are.
>>541074216I feel like I just gave you my retort, but, just saying "IT'S CAUSAL IT'S CAUSUAL" over and over again doesn't make it true.
>1 post by this opyou are a shillso i didn't readthread discardedin the trash it goes
>>541072116I'm not going to claim there's any positive evidence for the existence of a god.But how do you design an experiment to test for a being that is:>vastly more intelligent than humans>possibly all powerful>may not want to reveal itself?
>>541072116>no confirmed exceptionliterally miracles you faggot/thread
>>541072116in bulgaria, the gnostics were known as bogomilsthey were expelled, because they mocked the god of the physical world, by having gay sexin france they were known as the cathars, and were crusaded againstin england, they were the origin of the term buggery / sodomy, in reference to their bulgarian roots trinity in the Old Testament - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvE5E9BImE4- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp92-3aBL-A- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CBh8lmgecs
>>541072116>god isn't real
>>541072116>No miracle has survived rigorous scrutiny>"A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed."- Matthew 16:4what evidence would you accept?if jesus appeared in front of you right now, you could say: "i'm hallucinating, i've gone insane, this is a trick from advanced alien technology"humans are not all knowing>"For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees"- Romans 8:24the atheist worldview is based on the faith in their senses (eyes, ears, etc) to tell them what's around them
>>541072116>over 1,800 cancer patientsto test us
>>541074356You realize we can state that unicorns are real based on this logic too right?
>>541074326Okay, feel free to make your argument for how the universe is acausal. I have offered this several times and you have failed to do so, becoming silly instead.My belief for why that is remains the same as here: >>541073705> you’ll quickly find that position impossible to defend.But, if you want to claim “IT’S ACAUSAL BECAUSE IT’S ACAUSAL” I guess we can try to discuss that, but I don’t think we will get very far.
>>541074326Allow me to butt in, but what hes suggesting is that the "prime mover" must be outside the universe, and so need not be governed by our universe's apparent law of causality itself.
>>541073761trinity in the Old Testament- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvE5E9BImE4- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp92-3aBL-A- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CBh8lmgecs
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>>541074547But we can literally just say that about the universe itself though. Casuality only exists with in the framework of the universe we exist in. A point before expansion the laws of the universe broke down and didn't behave the same way as they do today. Not to mention causality is a human concept.
>>541074786Most humans can only really answer infinite regress with a magic law-defying deity because it's an excuse not to have to think.
>>541074946Good thing you are so thoughtful, you can share the answer to infinite regress.
>>541075081Here's the answer *spoiler*God isn't real*spoiler*
>>541075155I guess it’s easier to pretend to be smart than to show it.
>>541072116why can't you just admit that you are mystified?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds&pp=0gcJCRMMAYcqIYzv&ra=m
>>541075224>He keeps frantically trying to find an answer he likes personally to infinite regress because it upsets his pre-existing sensibilities.>You're dumb not me.
>>541075341What an odd thing to say.
>>541072116Ffs, god isn't real because IT'S A FUCKING BOOK!!!People wrote it! Do you think Alice in wonderland is real too?
>>541072116I'm real, I just don't do shit because I want to see what people like you will do.
>>541075081Well you said it yourself, something "outside" the system doesn't necessarily have to follow the rules of causality. It could easily just be a brute fact or feature/structure that doesn't require a causal explanation for its existence, it just is. You're smuggling your own personal god view because it validates you and gives you meaning. Furthermore, the concept of infinity already exists and is perfectly valid (you can't put some quantity in a determinate total), so strictly speaking there is no reason for a "prime mover" to ever exist.
>>541075398>IAMFINE.JPEG
The Demiurge is real, but God isn't. There is no creator of the universe. The universe just is. Gods are powerful spirits that come and go, and the Demiurge is just one of them. He doesn't know it though. He thinks he created the universe, but in reality the universe created him.
>>541075555Is your position such that you define everything within the universe, except the universe, as causal?
O hate christcucks for worshipping jews and niggers, but you are full of shit. You pray for the soul of people, so they can have an easier time going to heaven. It's clearly stated that you can't get material goods or health by praying.
God hates us all.
>>541075639God might have created the universe but "man" did not work out like he envisioned, i.e, original sin and then on, so maybe God created a second universe and abandoned this one because its a clustercuss.
>>541072116yes exactly. I don't see any demons pouring out from the warp that's exactly proof that god is real
>>541072116>Em dashesFuck off to /x/ with this off-topic AI-written skitzoslop lol
>>541075645My position is that the universe appears as causal to us, but strictly speaking there is no requirement for causality to continue beyond the system. Furthermore, you can have a handful of explanations without requiring a first mover personal god with some lame Aquinas tier explanation of necessity (smuggling in human preferential beliefs).
>>541076216> beyond the system. By this do you mean “outside the universe”?
God may or may not exist, but it is pure narcissistic delusion to think he cares about humans.If he is real, we are ants to him. And not even ants in your garden that you might take a cursory interest in - ants in some random anthill way out in the forest that nobody knows about.Someday he might decide to level the forest and build an amusement park there or something. And we'd be gone in a flash, without God even thinking about it.
>>541072116>there are no exceptions>wait, stop pointing out exceptions!"Neutrinos" are sub-photon electromagnetic radiation that must constructively interfere in order to interact with electrons."Photons" are defined by electron interactions, not their own characteristics.Does this help, retard?
>>541072116>No miracle has survived rigorous scrutiny.The age of miracles and magic ended when Jesus died. God no longer meddles in the affairs of humanity. Think about it like this if the Pharaoh of Egypt wouldnt let the Hebrews go even though it was raining frogs and the water was blood? Humanity literally watched Jesus perform miracles all his life and we still argue whether or not they were real. If a miracle existed today you'd find a way to discredit it.
>>541072116>under controlled observationLMAOOOOOAnyways bud, there is no jewish god that's for sure.
>>541072116a fucking gpt post reddit spaced and with a phone imagefucking kill yourself you net loss for human kind
>>541072116>The universe runs on fixed law with no confirmed exception>We have emerged by chanceThese two premises directly contradict each other. I don't believe there's any way you're enough of a brainlet not to have noticed that, so it's more reasonable to assume you're posting in bad faith.
>>541077135Except he is omnipresent.Which means he has a perfect understanding of everything down to the last atom and is conscious of them.In other words, at any given time, he understands what every human feels.We are not ants to him, we are part of him.
>>541074526>You realize we can state that unicorns are real based on this logic too right?Sort of. It's a bit different in that unicorns aren't possessed of qualities that would make them uniquely able to avoid detection at the level of a god.An theoretical inability to detect something is not compelling evidence that that something must exist. And in the absence of positive evidence it's complete understandable if someone chooses not to believe in or even investigate something.But you can't definitively conclude that thr something does not exist. Our science was developed to study unthinking physical phenomenon, inferior animals, or equally intelligent creatures under conditions we can generally control for. It may not work on intelligences that operate beyond our level.
>>541077614So you are retarded then.
God is real, and he told us to exterminate the niggers
