It is kinda dumb that communists want seize ALL private propety. Some property should still be obtainable to motivate people to work.
>>541100446>to motivate people to work.And thats why communism doesnt work
>>541100498Faggot Nazi is right.
>>541100446Do you think the soviet union for all its misgivings didn't allow people to own cars, clothes or small homes? Fucking hell it was literally your backyard and you still haven't got a clue
>>541100629How else would you interpret "imagine no possessions"?
>>541100446During comunism my grandfather owned:A houseA carA small businessMeanwhile you cant even have one of these things in the mighty capitalism.Sad
>>541100767Ok but this doesn't address the original claim that "You will own nothing" or offer an argument as to why private property isn't necessary
>>541100746A song by a british faggot is defining communism? Are you indian or just stupid?
>>541100446>communists want seizeSAAR
>>541100829It is an answer to the comunists who in fact did allow people to own things.What the OP is referring to is current corporationism in which large corporations own things and rent it to people who are reduced to a consomer/human recourse.The corporations know that people need things like homes and cars but renting these things makes much more profit, a stable and predictable cashflows over time and blocks anyone from building any actual capital.Moreover it makes you obedient, any action against the elite and boom your lease agreement is terminated, your car rental is off, you are homeless and have nothing.You will own nothing is not a plan of commies it is a plan of super rich people who own the corporations to make you their e-pesant.
>>541100446Everyone should own at least 1 Jewish scalp.
>>541100498>And that's why communism doesn't work for everybodyFTFY
If you ask me, the real problem with socialism is assuming that whatever you earn according to an agreement between yourself and your employer presumptively belongs to the state, who may allow you to keep some of it. Taxation at least in concept acknowledges that despite your debts, what you earned is yours. And socialism taken to its extreme presumes that even "your" body doesn't belong to you.
>>541100446>Some property should still be obtainable to motivate people to work.Those aren't the the type of people communism needs.
>>541101121So is there some law in your country preventing you from owning things? That must suck.
>>541101211Yes you are, the communism dosent ban all private possesion, only the means of production.You can own:>A car>A house>small businesses like family business>ElectronicsEtc.What you cannot own is:>large business>stocks>machinery >large farmlandsSo in conclusion, you can own a small shop or be a specialist like carpenter or tailor, even a lawyer.You cant be a big barron of industry owning a factory, mine, hospital or a bank.
>>541100498This. Instead we get crony capitalism that insures you'll never be wealthy enough to buy a home unless you trick oher goy into wage slaving for you.
>>541100746You're retarded, mate.I'm not a commie but the distinction between private property and personal property is like the most basic thing you learn about it. You don't have to share your toothbrush in communism.
>>541100446How much of it is obtainable to you?
>>541100498Blah blah blah lol
>>541101261>agreementthere is no "agreement" when there is no real bargaining power. work for Mr. Shekelberg or live on the street is no more of an "agreement" than give me your wallet or I slit your throat. you could always "choose" throat slitting.
Basic motivation of commies is:>society has X problem>I have Y solution>let me have total control of society so I can implement Y solution>if you don't give me total control then you are causing X problem
>>541100746this dude thought lennon was lenin
>>541101121Commies really gotta let Nazis be the propagandandists because you guys only have numbers because of how many poor people there are. You can't just threaten people you are going to take everything away from them and then backpedal like this.
>>541101448No, the capitalist system is more nuanced.They just block you from owning the real estate by inflating the prices so 90% of people wont be able to afford their own place and will be forced to rent.Sorry but a common person will not be able to compete on the market with multibillion dollar fund.When it comes to car the new ones are also out of reach and the old ones are sistematically made hard to use. I cannot drive mi 15year old disel car to large city due to the clean transportaion zones that exclude mu car for being not enviormentally friendly. When you want to buy new car the first two offers are: lease it or rent it, and those are pushed on the customer, and once again common people are priced out of the market.
>>541100446>>541100498Step 1: Seize the memes of productionStep 2: ??? Step 3: GULAG!
>>541100767>During socialism my grandfather owned:>A house>A car>A small businessCorrected , it was a Socialism.>Meanwhile you cant even have one of these things in the mighty capitalism. SadYep. Oligarchs want a slavery system, they need to push some BS
>>541100446protip: they are only talking to goys when they say this
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>>541101955Gulag closed in 1960-ies. There were less people in gulag than right now imprisoned in mighty capitalist USA. >2 mln people in prisons in USA>kikes who counterfeited products and food in SU were jailed >kikes who couterfeit product and food in USA aren't jailed >kikes are crying: GULAG!!
>>541101853kek
>>541101853come on dude, let it be
>>541101878No one is threatned, its just the fact that people should not own large means of production.You should not live off interests of the invested money. Everyone should work for their stuff, sorry no freeloading allowed.
>>541100629The people complaining about muh communism do not understand what communism really looks like, and the same goes for the faggots who support communism. There are millions upon millions of people alive today who lived under various communist governments who can give a picture of what "real communism" is, but this lived experience is ignored in favor of political theory.
>>541102671>No one is threatnedI am certain that most people took it as a threat when it was being said by Schwab. A lot of people are dying of stress because of this type of mismanagment. Words matter and communists do have a bad track record when it comes to literacy in general.
>>541101029>no that wasn't REAL communism! >REAL communism is the very specific fantasy in my head of what communism is that also will never work but I at least deserve a shot as dictator to try it>trust me bro just a few more mass graves starvations until this communism thing reallt kicks off!
>>541100446It's just a cohensidence that "you will own nothing and be happy" directly mirrors the protocols and the new "public/private partnerships" being implemented across the world.
Only good commie is a dead commieEncourage all socialists to commit suicide, thats the most socialist act you can take in your lifeGive over your posessions and kill yourself so nature can have your body back as food
>>541103021Commies use antisemitism as a psyop, a weapon>Its not us, its the ji0o0o0o0l0l0l0oooos
>>541102825>Schwab>communistThat guy is a turbo corporationist elitist.He dosent denounce private ownership for billionaires.What was in that WEF presantation from which the you will own nothing picture comes from is that the calitalism is driving towards lease/rental model insted of people owning their own staff.Rich people will still own corporations its the common folk that will not own anything and will be left to rent for their whole lifes.Schwab believes in the supremacy of billionaires over everyone else, a new feudalism.
>>541103135You are Polish, anything you say is invalid, specially on that subject lol
>>541100446Why assume these are normal commies? They want you to own nothing. Subscribe to everything. Live in a pod in a 15 minute city. Be watched 24/7 by the AI surveillance dragnet. Yes, they will put a camera in your home eventually. Not allow you to own a vehicle, you'll share with the "community". And if you're naughty you go to time out. Does this sound like Marx?
>>541103199Ok ladyboy.
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>>541103388And who was it that accepted money from groups like Actblue to post shit like this everywhere? Right wingers or left wingers? Genuine question, what is the angle here or is it just top down bullshit with these people?
>>541100446>Some property should still be obtainable to motivate people to work.Congrats. You aren't a communist. Now move on with your life
>>541103668>Congrats. You aren't a communist. Now move on with your life
>>541100446>motivate people to workZat iz vot ze brain chips are forNot like they have trouble controlling people through access to property already
>>541103135>>Schwab>>communist>That guy is a turbo corporationist elitist.He is a Marxist, lol
>>541100446>It is kinda dumb that communists want seize ALL private propety. Some property should still be obtainable to motivate people to work.dont worry it still will bethose taking the properties from you will still have propertiesthose telling you that you can only drive electric cars in the city are rich enough to buy electric carsdont worry about them, anon
>>541103388Well exactly this.You will not own a house but rather rent is from mr Goldbergs real estate fund that owns half of your city.You will not own a car but rent it from mr Nosestein lease company.Oh the car will be remotly blocked if you do an antisemitism.Less meat- you will only eat goyslop.I hate corporate feudalism to its core.
>>541100446pookie this is not how private property works you dumb motherfucker are you like 13 and just learned what communism is in school or what wtf
>>541100629>>541100767That's socialism, not communism. Communism is supposed to come after. No nation had ever reached that point because it's impossible, absurd and completely contrary to human nature.
>>541104238NWO is a hegelian synthesis
>>541100446>(((Carol Roth)))yeah
>>541100446The vast majority of people have no private property. A house and all the stuff inside it is personal property.
>>541100446>2026 and anons are still talking about commies when "you will own nothing" is about WEF messaging>years of stories leading up to the removal of physical media and everything going to a lease and subscription base to the point of nothing being owned and it's still commiesWEF clearly represents private interests. They pay the occasional lip service to do some greenwashing, but ultimately they represent oil interests too. It's why "eat the bugs" is pushed; it puts the onus on consumers while discouraging policy action that hurts their profits. How is this communism?
>>541100446What kind of last name is Roth?
>>541104531eh i've actually lived my entire life like thisi can tell its not sustainable because the wage cannot cover the cost meaning sooner or later its just going to be a ghost townempty and desolated
>>541100446why are you even engaging with commies at all? the past century and hundred million people dead and countless millions living miserable lives even to this day should have already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt what an awful system communism is and what evil people communists are. do not argue with communists. there is nothing left to say to evil people. if they keep pushing it to get their revolution then rejoice at the opportunity to extinguish evil.
You're gonna rent that cheeseburger asshole!Spit it out!
I started a new job today and my employer gave me a computer within typing the categories of porn came up and it made me so uncomfortable shortly after he kept grabbing my shoulders touching me, his wife works there and they’re both elderly around 60 years old.I felt so uncomfortable I finally gave in and asked the wife to shut the door when I was alone with her and told her about the porn and how I would not continue working hereThe porn was daily during working hours 9-5 it’s hard to think my boss spends his time jacking off touching himself while the female employees are working . I’m sure he hired me just in aesthetics anyways can I report this to indeed or linkln I don’t want any woman to go through the touches or the weird behavior and porn during working hours I would be terrified even more to be alone with him while his wife is out of office im trying to figure out what to do because they refuse to pay me my hours work and i have proof of the porn during work hours. I’m traumatized sorry everything was confusing in one paragraph . I started a new job. I was given a computer. I went on as they told me to and saw a ton of porn by cache when i started typing keywords the porn phrases came up. I then went to history to see if maybe this was an accident and he left personal info on there… and then I confirmed he was doing it m-f during WORK business hours 8-5. The offices didn’t have doors and the desk and computer i was at was dirty. So i started putting the pieces together everyday every hour he views porn m-f 8-5. The computer was in his account. I felt so uncomfortable i told the wife and walked out. She didn’t apologize nor did she offer to pay me for my 3 hours worked that morning. I told her this wouldn’t work out for me if he’s jacking off during work hours and exposing me to porn, that’s no different than a sex offender down the line especially bc he kept touching my shoulders within the first hour of my training
>>541105240I can tell you're a woman because you're fucking stupid and can't organize your thoughts. Eat shit food!
>>541105389I feel like you watch porn and JO almost every day right
>>541100446Why communism still has supporters only makes sense when you understand that every single commie thinks they're going to land a position as a high ranking offical of some sort. That's why you can point to as many examples of communism being a disaster and all the hardship and suffering it causes and have commies not even blink. It's because every single one of them thinks they're going to be the minister of bull preperation or whatever and all that misery will be somebody else's problem. When they say "not real communism" they don't mean that there's some magic formula they'll totally get right this time, they mean they weren't Stalin so it doesn't count.
>>541105033bro your misconception is that its a different systemthe reality is that capitalism is the evolution of communism which comes from socialism in turn the root of all that is the monarchyall in all things really haven't changed at all have theytribalism while crude was the pure experience of life in its most primal essence what we have now is a pale imitation of the true path of human path as an honored being amongst the songs of angels
>>541105033>>541106151These replies are showing people aren't seeing the issue clearly. The armchair psychology falls flat on its face when you're looking at capitalist rent seeking in its purest form from a group of big money private industry interests and then conclude it's actually communism. It's actually hard to tell if this was the goal of WEF or some happy accident. The Joe Rogans of the world took to seeing "you will own nothing" WEF messaging as commie and never thought for a second about Right to Repair or basic profit motive.
It's really hilarious how wealth inequality in the US is worse than it was during the Gilded Age, with 1 man owning more than the bottom 50% of all people, and the moment anyone suggests "Hey maybe we should start making moves to correct some of this gross inequality" a fucking ARMY of bootlicking shills comes out and screams, "OH, so you want to outlaw private property, fucking COMMIE?!?!" and every time, more retards fall for it.Jesus fucking Christ, people are so god damn stupid.
>>541106823And that's why there isn't really hope of "real" communism. Even Marx in his perfect "you get to fish and hunt after work" model for the work day had time slotted for everyone taking time to educate and engage with policy. It requires workers to be educated and keep being educated and engaged. You can see how that would be a requirement and how easy it is for most to collectively fail that in contemporary times.
>>541106823>It's really hilarious how wealth inequality in the US is worse than it was during the Gilded Age, with 1 man owning more than the bottom 50% of all people, and the moment anyone suggests "Hey maybe we should start making moves to correct some of this gross inequality"You do realize you can still fight wealth inequality without becoming full-on "imagine no possessions" communist?
>>541100446>implying that's communists onlyCapitalist endgame is also like that: you won't own anything, but rent everything.
>>541107340Commies are about collective ownership of the means of production. They believe in other forms of property ownership. Meanwhile "you will own nothing and you will be happy" is about capitalism moving people away from ownership and towards renting, subscribing, and leasing.
>>541100446lol who gives a fuck about property if half your population is gone anywayswhich almost always happens either through starvation, purges, sometimes both
>>541101587anon...you live in one of the most centrally planned and globalized economies of all-time
>>541100446Its better that private equity seize all private property.That way it ia done LEGALLY
>>541100446If you let people have anything then your econimic system is fascism. Fascism is a totalitarian system where people still own property but how they use it is controlled by the state via high taxes and intrusive regulation.
>>541100446>(((roth)))
>>541107892It varies in degrees and you can have systems of accountability. It's like even if it's a violent revolution state built on despising the unqualified nepo system of a decadent elite, matching that description even as a state official puts you in a more awkward position. The opposite being what Trump is doing now where when you see it, there's a collective shrug since that's really within the spirit of capitalism.
>>541107340>>541108133Why'd you delete the post?
>>541109330>>>541107892the thread started to die out, when I posted it, so I saw it as a bad omen and deleted it
>>541110224That's weird. You replied to three people with an interesting perspective. I don't agree with it, but it still seeded further conversation. Why not reply to my other replies?
>>541100446Communists are, at heart, jealous of success.That being said, there should absolutely be a tax on people who hoard cash above a certain dollar value, let's call it one billion. They also should not be allowed to hide it behind stocks. A capital gains tax only them would be a way to force liquidity. Which is to say, you can't hold all the money and do fucking nothing with it.It'd be better to let the billionares have their money and force them to spend it rather than try to tax it away entirely to give it to the undeserving.
>>541100446Private property is owning land and a business. Personal property is car and posessions. It's kind of dumb you guys are arguing against something you don't understand and you spend like a negative amount of effort to understand it out of spite.Soviet gave people benefits for important work. But it was a clunky and stiff system with lots of corruption so often people wouldn't bother rising through the ranks normally but would work black. The quota system as an example famously made it so if you were good at your job you were just assigned more stuff to do which motivated people to work less and find other means to improve their lives.So yeah, communists have a lot of stupid ideas but they wouldn't try to seize your personal property.
>>541110424There's also the aspect of having that extra profit, extra capital, means having more political power, more influence to get what you want over others.Reducing commie gripes to just jealousy doesn't make sense. People want to be able to afford housing and health care while being able to afford higher education if they want it and, at the very least, retire at a decent age. Reducing what people see as a fair exchange for their time as workers or even what they should get back as people who pay into insurance isn't a jealousy issue.
>>541100446>motivate people to work.people need to eat
>>541110329> Why not reply to my other replies?Sure>WEF clearly represents private interests. They pay the occasional lip service to do some greenwashing, but ultimately they represent oil interests too. It's why "eat the bugs" is pushed; it puts the onus on consumers while discouraging policy action that hurts their profits. How is this communism?"Eating the bugs" concept WEF promotes is definitely, not oldschool Marxism. I think all the climate alarmism Klaus Schwab promotes is caused by boomers attaching green politics to the workers' right left in the 60s. Klaus Schwab is technically too old to be a boomer, but he definitely have pandered to them specifically. I don't think I've missed 100% there, since a lot of self-proclaimed Marxists nowadays are climate alarmists that believe eatinh bugs will help save the planet. I don't think Klaus Schwab represents oil interests to be honest. He wants people to abandon fossil fuels afaik>Commies are about collective ownership of the means of production. They believe in other forms of property ownership. Meanwhile "you will own nothing and you will be happy" is about capitalism moving people away from ownership and towards renting, subscribing, and leasing.A lot of capitalists pander to Marxist teens that are also anxious about climate change. They make more money renting and Marxist teens feel like they are more inline with their simple living virtues. So these capitalists might call themselves communists or progressives, but they are really opportunists that have learned to use the principles of Marxism against the proletarat.
>>541100446You can’t stop what’s coming. May as well just neck yourself Fatty.
>>541100446>communism is bad because you can't own anything!>so anyway, thanks to capitalism we get to live in the future where you will own nothing and be happy!at what point do you retards understand that all the hand wringing and pearl-clutching about COMMUNISM is pure projection from the capitalists?
>>541101878>only have numbers because of how many poor people there are.wouldn't capitalism try to reduce the number of poor people then, if the only reason people support communism/oppose capitalism is that they're poor?instead everything gets more expensive while wages stagnate to generate more profit for the capitalists
>>541112766https://www.weforum.org/communities/oil-and-gas/WEF represents oil and gas interests. They are a large portion of their membership and donor base. Eating bugs is free advertising for alternative food industries they invest in and a way to put climate change on the consumer rather than even talk regulatory policy for the oil and gas industry.These capitalists are calling themselves communists, you and the Joe Rogan types misunderstood what "you will own nothing and you will be happy" means. And rent seeking is more than just renting an apartment; it ties into Right to Repair and those same WEF types working to make it so you are unable to repair your own John Deer tractors without going through John Deer itself, meaning they profit off you even more and can set prices higher without competition.
