The anti data center thing is clearly an op being pushed by America's adversaries (with the willing help of domestic useful idiots.). What better way to kneecap development than this? Reminds me of USSR funding degrowth and green parties during the Cold War.https://x.com/captive_dreamer/status/2068130960240226550
>>541106466if you are worried so much about China and Russia getting an edge on your countrywhy did you move all your manufacturing over there?why did you began shutting down nuclear palnts?why are you hiring foreingers to program national surveliance tech?
>>541106723because Israel was going to sell us out to china until they realized the chinese plan on wiping them off creation
>>541106466Nobody here is falling for your palantir psyop bullshit.
>>541106466Always do the opposite of whatever Larry Loomer says
>>541106466"pushed by american enemies">t. all jewish AI fags
>>541106466>captive dreamer
>>541106466nobody wants to live under constant surveillance 1pbtid memeflag
>>541106466>The anti data center thing is clearly an op being pushed by America's adversariesNowhere near as clearly as your kike pilpul, you filthy memeflag faggot.
>>541106466He's right
Thank you Palantir employee. 1000 Palantir points have been deposited.
Correct
>>541106466Look we dont fucking want AI. Its not a psyop. However, they also dont want us to have it bc of the AI race.No one should fucking have it. But here we are.
>>541106466Why are the people shilling for data centres the same people shilling for Israel and the Iran war?
The Anti AI data center and anti flock movement are clearly CCP psyops. You're unironically retarded if you think otherwise
>>541106723Go be a ruschink cocksucker somewhere else
>>541108654Yeah because mass AI surveillance is based and redpilled amirite?
>>541106466This image scares the unemployed NEET...
>>541106466Im going to roundhouse kick a data center into a synagogue
>>541108703Go be a chink elsewhere
>>541108791Exactly the type of argument I'd expect from someone trying to shill AI surveillance on /pol/ lmaogood luck champ, it's an uphill battle
>>541108703Mad that the cams catch you huffing petrol and sleeping in the road abo?
>>541108872Theoretically how many Jews can you drown in a toilet bowl before all the water is out of it
>>541108866Shoo chinky
>>541108872>the old "if you don't want to be surveilled then you must be doing something wrong!" argumentYeah I'm sure that will work this time bud
>"Why are data centers good?">"They aren't bad.">"Yeah but why do we need them?">"China.">"What do the data centers do?">"AI.">"What does that mean exactly?">"Doing AI. We have to do AI so China can't.">"What does it mean to 'do AI'?">"Coding assistants.">"So this is about coding?">"No, it's about AI. We have to do AI because China. Buddy, your questions are starting to make my 'domestic terrorist' senses tingle. Are you a communist? We need 10x the electricity of cities to do AI, and that's that."
I hate data centers because they made RAM and GPU much more expensive.
>>541109024Grow up faggot, stop playing video games like a low t chink
>>541106466Clearly.
>>541106466>My proposal is for the data centers to replace mosques I fucking hate this woman so much.
>>541106466>we need data centers everywhere or China wins!why? what do they do and how/what does China win?>t...th...they just do ok! we NEED them!we need data centers is the new diversity is our strength, won't say why but it just is ok.
>>541108990bro couldn't even make it past one post shilling for his AI surveillance before devolving into pointless ad-hom How are you ever gunna convince the masses like this?
>>541106723He’s correct
>>541106466>twitter threadokay, what do I get if I "win" the AI war with chiname, personally, not this gay collectivist nouveaux-american zeitgeist thing that they're pushing where I should be content to just watch extremely rich people go on vacation and tell me I'm winningbecause it seems like all AI has done is make shit more expensive and fill the internet with low-effort slop
>>541106466WIn what exactly?
>>541109090Just imagine. You can scream USAi
>>541106466Fuck AI fr fr
>>541108654>The Anti AI data center and anti flock movement are clearly CCP psyops. You're unironically retarded if you think otherwise>doesn't provide evidence, just says "it is" where is the evidence that they're CCP psyopsbecause that's what that bald faggot Kevin O'Leary said, and he had to come out and publicly apologize because he said the same thing and it turned out he was just slandering americans
>>541109052yeah as if talking shit on 4chan is a better hobby than gamingstop telling me what to do with my life you fucking communist
>>541109002One anon put it eloquently in another thread:>Just because you have nothing to hide doesn't mean you have something to share.
>>541106466Jews shilling for datacenters and flock are all I need to know I should be against datacenters and flock.
>>541109234Kys, that's what you should do. Get MAID
>>541109250Nice, I might use that
>>541109234>stop telling me what to do with my life you fucking communistit'll never not be funny to me that the main argument is that if you don't like AI, you're a communistwhen 99% of the AI funding comes from the state creating monopsonies and monopolies in the tech giants, literally what happened under the centrally planned USSR with mikoyan and sukhoi and all of the other "state corporations"
>>541109203Fuck off chinky, you won't convince anyone that this is organic
>>541109361>Fuck off chinky, you won't convince anyone that this is organicthe burden of proof is on you, faggotprove to me with evidence why I should be pro-datacenter and people who are anti-datacenter are CCP agitatorsyou don't get to just tell me what to believe, I have a gun and don't have to do what people tell me
>>541106466Look faggots there is no "winning" the AI race to super intelligence. It's an existential disaster. That will lead to the end of humanity. We need to have a regulatory board on AI research and not leave this to free market https://youtu.be/wDBy2bUICQY?is=oqL3Kya9xS5UJygt
>>541106466>ai race
>>541109343wow good job not understanding the context>>541109310you're a spic, go back to mexico
this data center shit wouldnt even be a problem if tech companies were like 1% less greedy and offered people some boring simple jobs>yeah we gonna need to hire eee 100 people who will work 1 day a week checking if lights are off each for 100k a year per data center and we need them to be close by so we'll hire everyone who lives next to oneboom 10 000 000$ a year and now everyone will want data center build next to them10 mil is nothing to themeveryone except for me is fucking retarded
>>541106466The way this works is that Russia and China sees favorably smoke and then pour gasoline there. People hate AI and data centers for real but there's also people signal boosting that for ulterior motives.
>>541108686Go home, Akshit
>>541106466Mass surveillance is bad.Police states are bad.Palantir is bad.
>>541107189>obvious truth is a psyopI would pay to see you die on a bodycam
>>541109013>>541109024>>541109002>>541108703>>541108768>>541109460>>but why do we need them?"Because the internet exists.You use the internet so all of the software and files you rely on (other than local files) exists as physical memory stored in data centers. Each year the internet requires a massive amount more physical storage. That stuff has to go somewhere. If you don't agree with that then stop using the internet because right now your posts ITT are adding to datacenters...Data centers are not a new thing, they've been around for decades.Do you not find it suspicious that this outrage about datacenters sprung up basically overnight early this year?
>>541108654Go home, Akshit
>>541109521>wow good job not understanding the contexti was agreeing with you retard>>541109617>this data center shit wouldnt even be a problem if tech companies were like 1% less greedy and offered people some boring simple jobsthe money is all fakewe do this thing in america where we waste ungodly amounts of money on shit to pump itAI is an example of thatthat value doesn't stick around and someone will be left holding the bag, most likely peoples' pensions and 401ksconsider the fact that multiple billions to trillions have been spent on this buildout, yet no one has mentioned that most of the GPUs used for these tools burn out in 3-4 years, so it's not like a "buy once" thing.
>>541109700>brown hands typed thisSorry you can't just fade into the shadows Jamal
>>541106466idk half of you must be newfags if you didnt see how inorganic the data center hate is. i worked in data centers long before any gpt or whatever existed on the market. we did nothing to you. just asked for a little bit of power. there was never something to hate about data centers in a world that has a million things worth hating morehowever that doesnt mean i support giant projects that change the landscape that shit is too much. if your data center has the footprint of some airport thats just too much. once you go broke how are we supposed to recycle these giant halls? it all goes to waste.
>>541109521He understood the context and was agreeing with you.
>>541109724>Meme flagYou could argue the sky is blue and I would not believe you.
>>541109013Clearly you are a Chinese agent. Go somewhere else, Ching. But before you do, please let us operate more factories there and send us about 10,000 more students to research at our universities.
>>541109724>ailollmao even
>>541109686>>541109726>>541109858Go be a seething chink elsewhere
>>541106466I don't give a fuck about your portfolio. Your hare brained investments are not my concern. Next time put your money into something that isn't impossibly evil and wildly unpopular.
>>541109724>You use the internet so all of the software and files you rely on (other than local files) exists as physical memory stored in data centerswrong. so terribly wronguntil the AWS and Internet 3.0 era, people were running their own on-site servers. There was (and still is) always the ability to self-host all of your shit. Almost nothing is stored in datacenters for most people, unless you're an absolute retard doing VDI shit, or you're a pro who uses something like digitalocean for developer stuff>If you don't agree with that then stop using the internet because right now your posts ITT are adding to datacentersdifferent type of datacenterAI datacenters use multiple tens of times the power and water of a storage/hosting server farm>Do you not find it suspicious that this outrage about datacenters sprung up basically overnight early this year?because it's a different type of datacenter. None of these datacenters are the kind that existed at, say, MAE-E for 30 years not bothering anyoneThis has nothing to do with the internet, retard. The internet is a completely different type of both theoretical and physical architecture than AI datacenters
>>541106466> The housing market alarmists are commie agents psyoping usThis was said unironically by many pundits in 2007
>>541106466I want us to bomb China, not pretend they're some sort of healthy competition. That said, data centers are irrelevant because our public doesn't need access to AI, social media and a 24/7 news cycle are already counter-productive. Why do you want stupid people doing stupid things, even faster?
>>541110038>That said, data centers are irrelevant because our public doesn't need access to AI, social media and a 24/7 news cycle are already counter-productiveliterally the only benefit to AI is that any time I make an argument, I immediately search up a counterargument on the gemini google ai summary thing, it makes lazy retards arguing in bad faith extremely easy to detect because they'll regurgitate whatever incorrect missing-the-point thing gemini vomits up for them on the google homepage
>>541109706>obvious truthWith no supporting evidence. Even if they were funding it, that doesn't mean that the 97% of people who organically oppose this dystopian bullshit are paid shills. Kill yourself, please.
Whoever akshually invests more in AI will lose. No idea what Gyna is doing but America has gone pretty deep into a worthless tech. >Thiel joking that protests mean his tech is not vaporwareNot a very bullish signal desu. Everyone who pays attention knows that the biggest test failed with perfect conditions (surprise attack too.)
>>541110230You get maybe 3 years max for >muh roboticsTo not show up or to show up and not akshually use any of the AI that was built-out.That's pretty much the last line of defense on the finance side at least.
>>541109361>Oceania has always been pro- invasive mass surveillanceChoke on a dick and die, you antihuman cunt
>>541106466https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/fox-news-delivers-on-air-apology-over-kevin-olearys-unsubstantiated-claims-linking-opponents-of-his-data-center-project-to-china/
>>541110317Kys chink
>>541110421This must also be a CCP psyop
>>541110478You first, Eglin glownigger
>>541110549>MUH eglinYep it's a ccpchink alright
>>541109988>wrongIt isn't wrong. The majority of the data isn't locally stored anymore. >There was (and still is) always the ability to self-host all of your shit. >Almost nothing is stored in datacenters for most people, Unless you're mostly using niche websites the majority of it is in data centers. Amazon's AWS, Azure and google's cloud services make up 65% of all cloud services. If a site isn't using that it's either a privately run small scale operation like some random person's blog or it's hosted from a university.>AI datacenters use multiple tens of times the power and water of a storage/hosting server farmYeah because they're huge. In context they use hundreds of times less water than farmers growing basedbeans for export or corn syrup do. Anyone talking about water shortages from data centers is usually saying it because there was one article about one data center using up a lot of water in Chile and it was based on a miscalculation that inflated the amount by 1000 times and was later corrected.>This has nothing to do with the internet, retard>the kind that existed at, say, MAE-E for 30 yearsYes it does. The internet today uses a massive amount more data than it did even 10 years ago. Think of how a smartphone is today vs 2016, and it is only increasing exponentially. AI is a part of the reason for datacenters but even without ai you need lots more storage, there is no way around that.And AI isn't going away, people complaining about it are luddites trying to talk about how the combine harvester is a passing fad at this point. Every single technological breakthrough has faced similar resistance so there's no point pretending this is different.
I completely agree this is their tactic but in the meantime, HOW ARE REPUBLICANS GOING TO KEEP OHIO?!
>>541106723This is correct 110% >>541108686You’re coping all jobs and manufacturing are no longer in the US. It’s clear the US doesn’t give a FUCK about it’s citizens so why give a FUCK about them
>>541110577The CCP is a steaming pile of dogshit-- I am one of the world's last huwhite men left in New England. Lower your tone when talking to me, you Puerto Rican muttoid
>>541110917>>541110933Chink alert
>>541106723MASSIVE FPBP trvkejews lost
>>541106466JEWS: We can't let china win the AI tyranny race.Hey Laura, how did the mosque builders get into my country in the first place.
>>541110589>Amazon's AWS, Azure and google's cloud services make up 65% of all cloud services. If a site isn't using that it's either a privately run small scale operation like some random person's blog or it's hosted from a university.*The exception to this is outside of the giants like AWS is edge networks which rely on relatively smaller datacenters all over the place (Some are still big).
>>541110175Your problem is that you, like others, are too reliant on instant information and feel pressured to have response ready against another's claims. Your so-called "benefit" is nothing more than a basic psychological condition, something like RSD and you don't notice it because advancement keeps pushing to satiate your need to respond faster and remain on top of things. You aren't competing with one retarded argument, you're one guy against millions and aren't winning even with AI's help. Why? Because the retards can use the AI too and you inadvertently give them new ways to overrule objective truth.
>>541106723fippity bippity
>>541110995Great argument, now I believe the US government is good and cares about its citizens despite all evidence directly contradicting this.
>>541111111
>>541111202Stinky chinky
>>541110995Badjacketing traitor
>>541106466Americas wconomy is mostly based on ai. they put all their eggs in a basket becuase we cant manufacture for shit.We pay faggots waaaay to much for products that are shittier than china. laura loomer reports on what her investor want her to report on.also china already won the ai race
>>541111357You should really mix it up by calling me brown, russian, tranny, or "woke right". Using different words improves your writing, and increases audience engagement.
>>541110589>The majority of the data isn't locally stored anymore.What you said is:>all of the software and files you rely on (other than local files) exists as physical memory stored in data centerswhich is patently untrue unless whatever you're using is virtualized, which is not the case for 99% of non-business users>Unless you're mostly using niche websites the majority of it is in data centers.Again, not the same kind of datacenterIt is entirely possible to run something like 4chan or reddit from a residential garage and 80U of rackspace>The internet today uses a massive amount more data than it did even 10 years agofor advertising and tracking, non-critical shit that zero people care about>Think of how a smartphone is today vs 2016not that different. They use more data and more power because they're constantly sending telemetry home to build your advertising ID and harvest you for data>AI is a part of the reason for datacenters but even without ai you need lots more storage, there is no way around that.AI is the entire reason. You don't need more storage. JPEGs are not bigger today than they were a decade ago. A clean install of ubuntu is still 8gb.>Yeah because they're huge.explain to me why these need to always be built either in a desert that's hot as fuck, or in a residential development where land value is high and it pisses off everyone living there. Why not some empty tundra in north dakota?>are luddites trying to talk about how the combine harvester is a passing fad at this pointanother total misattributionthe government is prompting trillions in circular spending to float all of this, it is not organic growth driven by consumer preference and liquidityit is more equivalent to the CCP telling all of the chinese farmers to melt down their hand tools into potmetal and kill all the birds in their fields, causing a 60 million death famine
>>541111444>>541111485>>541111492Go back to china, stinky chinky
>>541111497Because they are pursuing frontier intelligence. Novel reasoning ability appears to scale with both model size and training compute in ways that are different from knowledge acquisition. Compute limitations therefore meaningfully affect reasoning benchmarks disproportionately.
>>541111793>Because they are pursuing frontier intelligence>Novel reasoning ability appears to scale with both model size and training compute in ways that are different from knowledge acquisition>Compute limitations therefore meaningfully affect reasoning benchmarks disproportionately.i work in corporate and have the ability to see through jargonI've also used actual AI for two decades now because i'm in bioinformatics, it's really not some mysterious key that unlocks everything when you spend some magical number of dollars on it, if you have no idea what to do, you're just wasting moneythey know this. They have a reason to build it and know exactly what they'll do with it. Unfortunately if you were to tell everyone "we're building a national surveillance and behavior modification/control network" they will probably get pissed and not let you do it.
Captive Dreamer (the OP in this photo) is clearly some kind of Bush Era Republican twitter account. He's very sus.
WTF now I like paying to be replaced so billionaires can make more money
>>541106466if you don't want pushbacks don't use single open loop cooling you squalid fucksno one wants to live next to a water draining power sucking ambient air heating polluting shitbox whose products are substandard rack hosting and mineral damaged e wastenobody gives a shit about the backbone mega hubs, what you think that's cause of good pr lol it's because they are actually good data centersthese 'ai' techbro proposals are jeet grade
>>541106723>SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
>>541108572'guerilla advertising' firmstheir set ups are retarded lol, bunch of retard tablets rigged up to a laptopcourse that's just the full time versionplenty of jeets and ect doing it microjob stylelurk long enough it's like that matrix shit, don't even have to properly read to see fed, social media tourist, paid shill
>>541106466Fuck off pussy. Data centers are for 3rd world countries to be set up in. Retards think its patriotic to fuck our own country
>>541107590i want to bury jews and rightoids in the same mass graves
>>541106723Uh oh these kind of questions get you a spot in the Palantir database for antisemitism.
>>541112870Explain how a building fucks up the country
>>541113076He can't, he's just another CCP agent trying to cause the ai "bubble" to pop to try and hurt us economically.
>>541106723Fucking this
>>541108654>Pricing you out of personal computers and pumping inflation for a retarded chatbot is GOOD for youlol, lmao
>>541113187Get a job faggot
>>541113236Oh now I'm convinced, AI is great. Nah just kidding, I hope they don't pay you for this shit.
>>541108768Yeah bitch!
Why do right wingers always take the most ghoulish evil position on every issue? It’s without fail why are they like this?
>>541108925They're in the sewers
>>541106466Privacy and personal freedom are threats to our democracy!
>>541113076>just pay more for your utilities, goy. You're not a communist are you?>just watch what you say about jews online, goy, or we'll take everything from you and kill youYeah, TKD, go fuck off, Vile Schlomo
>>541113127It's going to pop one way or another, unless you're retarded enough to believe that all of this shit is somehow going to become profitable enough to pay for trillions and trillions of investment and cover for all the incestuous circular funding arrangements.
Having a strong AI not linked to China means Chinese tech workers will be out of a job. they were counting on the tech industry to replace all their manufacturing workers so China can shift their manufacturing to Africa.it was part of their belt and road initiative. AI completely destroys it
>>541113849>Having a strong AI not linked to China means Chinese tech workers will be out of a jobah yes the "import 500 million indians" gambit
>>541111497>, which is not the case for 99% of non-business usersvirtualization is how almost all modern internet services operate as the way cloud providers and the services built on them exis>>541111497>It is entirely possible to run something like 4chan or reddit from a residential garage and 80U of rackspaceTheoretically possible yes but in reality not possible because the amount of bandwith needed means you need terabytes per second which you can't get in your house. Plus you need hundreds of petabytes added every day for reddit, your garage wouldn't be big enough. You could get away with running a very low traffic 4chan board from your garage but something like /pol/ would be impossible.>non-critical shit that zero people care aboutStreaming is something everyone cares about nowadays, increasingly so.>AI is the entire reasonIt's a big part of it but not the only one, there's an increasing population on top of everything else.>Why not some empty tundra in north dakota?There's not enough infrastructure built there to handle it and if it's too far away from everything then latency increases. If it's in a harsh climate you run the risk of the lines getting damaged from weather.I agree they shouldn't be putting them in places that fuck everything up for the people living there. I also think they should be building small nuclear reactors for datacenters like we do for submarines to eliminate all the complaining about energy costs. I would suggest building some of them underground.
>>541113790>It's going to pop one way or another,It will potentially be the way the dot com bubble popped where a lot of businesses that emerged in the early days of the internet go bust. It doesn't mean ai is going to go anywhere though.The people I see going on about the ai bubble 'popping' are all these seething leftists on reddit who are fundamentally just upset that their crappy digital art won't make them a hypothetical millionaire like they believe it should do and they blame that on ai being better at it.
>>541114463>It doesn't mean ai is going to go anywhere though.That's true, but it will end up only being purposed where there's a quantifiable ROI instead of the stupidity that we have now. If we go by the predictions and reality of the dotcom bubble, it'll take another 15 years or so to actually start to fulfill it's promises.
>>541106466You’re a dumb retard who listens to the literal dumbest fucking people in the admin. Kys faggot. Everyone hates AI because most people don’t want to be cucks to the billionaires like your faggy little ass does.
>>541113896AI also means less reason to import Indians or export work to Indians
remember when that bogged bitch apologized to india for making fun of jeets?why would i ever give a shit what a rightoid thinks?the left will decide on data centers. the left will decide on flock cameras. your input is not needed.
The idea that russia and china are doing anything except sitting back and watching the west succumb to the jewish parasite and multiculturalism is pretty dumb
>>541110203>With no supporting evidencethe interior secretary said there was foreign money behind some of itthat's evidencegood thing I happened to find it randomly
ITT tech bro scum gtying too pass their bags onto anons. do you feel the cold steel on your neck yet or are you still dealing with post nut clarity after larry loomer let you smash for israel?
>>541106466Even if this was true, why should I care? These same ghouls have made it crystal clear that they consider the United States an economic zone with replaceable production units instead of a nation with citizens. So what does it matter to me if Economic Zone 5-C wins some imaginary race over Economic Zone 3-A?
>>541115148>ITT tech bro scum gtying too pass their bags onto anons.>do you feel the cold steel on your neck yet or are you still dealing with post nut clarity after larry loomer let you smash for israel?chinks have all the subtlety of a hot pink bulldozer as usual
>>541115076It's a good job that politicians can be trusted not to lie to further the interests of their donors.
>>541115385you've basically placed yourself beyond the reach of all evidence rendering discourse pointless.meanwhile, government officials in a position to know are saying that china is behind some of the anti-tech astroturfing.this is something I would expect china to do based on decades of USSR and then china doing exactly that. the low quality chink shilling in all of these threads is further proof.
>>541106466>WE NEED A PALANTIR DATABASE!!!!!>-Laura Loomer
>>541115459If you've actually been paying attention to any of this, China's entire strategy has been to push open weights models and to compete on price so that your AI industry won't ever be in a position to pay back the ridiculous amounts of money that it's foolishly over invested.Also, a significant number of the components used in those data centres are going to have been at least partially manufactured in China too.
>>541115076He's well-poisoning, there's "dark (laundered) money" both foreign and domestic in every group. It's placed to facilitate self-destruction in those groups as necessary, they get used and destroyed on a whim. Wouldn't surprise me if it was his own money laundered through China to appear "foreign".
why does no right winger ever ask what “DATA” will be in these data centers?oh thats rightbecause it’s biometric and mass surveillance data.
>>541115609>China's entire strategyis posting deindustrialization bait on 4chan and reddit because they're too scared to go kinetic>>541115725this is something I would expect china to do based on decades of USSR and then china doing exactly that.how can you explain your surprise and doubt over something that they are obviously doing and have every reason to do? do you think they're fucking retards who don't post deindustrialization psyops because they don't know how to get on the internet, or they just like us and want us to succeed? this is a stupid fucking argument and you're just drawing attention to the fact that they not only do it, but pay shills to deny it and get angry when people see through it all. I don't know how the chinks keep their organs inside with such thin skins.
