NATO started the war in Ukraine.
>>541109377Tongue my anus, FSB nigger.NATO is to keep you from looting your neighbors. And you are livid about it.
>>541109377Chabad did
>>541109377>Global timesJesus Christ how many brown people are on this board?
>>541110079Whining about china is jeet coded
>>541109377>NATO started the war in Ukraine.NO, CIA Started the war.
>attackers are victims>war is peace>freedom is slavery>ignorance is strengthnever change, russniggers
>>541110185This
>>541109377when they plan to show up?
>>541109377Jews want to buy up cheap land and kill white people and extract wealth across the world from tax payers to make billions off of their military industrial complex. War is the harvest of the Jews
>>541109377Nato caused the russian army to invade Ukraine?
>>541110654Yes faggotNATO gave Zelensky the green light to start shelling Donbas again on Feb 19th of 2022 so Russia invaded 5 days later.
>>541109495 usa is ON RECORDdoing exactly what you blame russia for kys
>>541109377I did believe that because of Russian propaganda.But:1 Russia is not entitled to have buffer zone countries around it, whatever the US promissed in 1990s was not the US to give.2 It didn't start with the orange revolution and Victoria Nulland but before that woth Putin giving polonium to Yushenko in 2004. And this one was democratically elected fair and square (unlike Zelenski maybe)3 Putin knowing that, he claims that Ukraine is rightful russian clay since Rurik. That's the same rethoric than Israel with its promosed land. We can say the same about Belgium, Italy can say the same for the entire Western Europe, Germany can claim Alsace Loraie and so on.
>>541109377This doesn't make any sense. NATO expanded EVEN MORE because of the war. It's just muttoids and 3rdies being politicially clueless.
>>541111090False equivalency, USA is ordained by God
>>541109377I will volunteer to fight NATO.
>>541109377>NATO started the war in Ukrainethis is obvious to anyone who was paying attention and isnt a plebbitor or globalist cuck (but I repeat myself)
yeah, i remember the NATO invasion. was brutal
>>541110654100%, dipshit
>>541110988checked and pepperidge farms remembers
>>541109377
>>541109377Right wingers don’t believe in consent
>>541111092>1 Russia is not entitled to have buffer zone countries around it, whatever the US promissed in 1990s was not the US to give.nigger tierpart of the agreement was nato never going to ukrainebut not only did nato go coup the country, they also installed biolabs all over that contained dangerous pathogensin reality, Putin invaded to stop glownigger bioterror
>>541109377CHYNA EXPANSIONSWAR IN THE PACIFIC
Yeah of course they did
>>541109377Yea you can thank Biden and his handlers for that
>>541109377no shit.everyone knows this,even the homosexual boomers like lindsay graham and ted cruz know / knew this.
>>541111887>part of the agreement was nato never going to ukraineWhich agreement?
>>541112165y u no into UNIPARTY?
>>541109377Revisionist history is gay...You are gay
>>541112261THEUKRAINE IS A FREE COUNTRY WITH EVERY RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION MUCH LIKE TAIWANR*SSIA DONT OWWWN THEUKRAINEPUTLERS PUPPET GOT THROWN OUT OF OFFICE FOR RENEGING ON THE 2014 EU-UKRAINE AGREEMENT AT THE BEHEST OF PUTLERTHIS PUTLER PUPPET IMMEDIATELY RAN OFF TO R*SSIA WHICH IS THE PROOFS HE WAS A PUPPET OF PUTLER
>>541112538>PUTLERS PUPPET GOT THROWN OUT OF OFFICE FOR RENEGING ON THE 2014 EU-UKRAINE AGREEMENTthere was never any signed agreement for the EU to directly buy ukranian oilreminder that in late 2011, a major oil discovery in Kharkov prompted the 2013 energy talks between Ukraine/EU and Ukraine/RussiaYankuyovich took one look at the EU offer, which necessitated skyrocketing energy prices in return for the privilege of having their natural resources extracted, and said Russia's offer is way better for hoholsand within a few months, glowniggers performed the Maidan and coup'd the country
>>541109377Specifically, what NATO expansion?What was the NATO action that triggered the uktrain war?Was it multiple NATO actions?No vaugeposting pls
>>541111090>But what about when YOOOOOOUUUU DID LE BAD THINGeat my cock, FSB.
>>541109495Nato is pillaging what Soviet Union and Russia has built in Ukraine right now, nafotroon. Russia is just throwing you out from their land.
>>541111092>because of Russian propaganda.Name some. Waiting. >(popcorn) Name some, VPN nigger.
pop quiz: why do countries voluntarily elect to join NATO
>>541112308so revisionist is everything that doesnt allignes with the jewish propaganda media? ask around the world and you find enough sights on this topic and none of em is so derailed and stupid like the jewish or socalled western
>Former USSR Nations wanting to protect themselves from being annexed from Russia means Russia is justified in invading themMaybe if Russia did not act like a bunch of niggers, people would be more accepting of them.We should have wiped the commies off the face of the earth after WW2.
>>541112538self determination? X_Dyou mean to get a jewish ratpuppet of a comedian as president cause some jewish oligarch choose this scum is selfdetermination huh?Fucking kike, you think someone falls into your bullshit after you declared war on everyones selfdetermination?
>>541110185>>541110464Nuke china and watch you scream about it, you small dicked gooks.
>>541111360>NATO expanded EVEN MORE NATO was kicked out of 7 resource rich nations in Africa since the ukraine war started and multiple brand new 100 million dollar NATO military bases have been given to Russia and China
CISSYTO trannies are dilating like crazy about NATO. Nobody in the world cares about NATO except Russian glowniggers, it's the easiest way to spot them
>>541113593Based, historically Russia doesn't produce propaganda, it's not in their (based, white and trad) culture.
>>541113593>Commies infest every western nation >Can't understand that it's because Russian propagandaYou must be a snow nigger or you've drank so much that your brain turned Russian due to all the damage.
>lol
>>541113593You have people like Tucker Carlson and we have people like Xavier Moreau repeating Putin talking points.>>541111887>part of the agreement was nato never going to ukraineUkrainian people signed no agreement. Were they supposed to be a shadow colony of Russia because of promises said by Bush father they didn't even know about?>but not only did nato go coup the countryThe coup or orange revolution was years after Putin poisoned Yushenko. Yushenko was democratically elected, is it that weird thay Ukrainians would rather live like western Europeans rather than like Russians? Ukrainians siding with the west would have happened at one point either way.Being Belarus 2.0 was not a fucking dream for them.
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>>541114314>its always just been a matter of time before the jews retake khazariaget in the fucking oven
>Wow was Zelesky really elected? What is the will of the Ukrainian people? Who violated which clause first?? What about the color revolutions???All of these arguments about who did what are retarded. No one cares about culpability and democracy in geopolitics and no one ever will. You use the story you need when you need to.There are countries that can act, their elites get to play the game, and there are countries used as tools or resources by the ones that can act.USA kept expanding their sphere of influence succesfully because they could. That's all there is to it. The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.The only problem is that over time Russia recovered, at least partially, from the absolute terminal fuckup that was the end of the soviet union, and the expansion got to regions Russia considers more critical in their sphere of influence.Then the USA sought to trap Russia in a difficult position, where the reaction would have been potentially quite retarded and not reacting would be even worse. That's good strategy, assuming your goal is not peace and includes fucking the EU in the process (who deserve it anyway). I don't personally think this was the best strategy, and it would have been better to just not do it, but I can see the logic at least.The best way to think about this is to look at a map in any strategic game and think about what you would do.>in some other region the Americ->But Georgia back then was-Just shut the fuck up. It's power games all the way down. It would have taken one statement from the US president to prevent this ("Sorry boys we don't want you in NATO lmao"), Russia could have just cucked out, but no one wanted to and you got a war. Not the first time a war begins like this.
>>541111092>Russia is not entitled to have buffer zone countries around itHow come? A peripheral neutral nation sandwiched between great powers does not suddenly get to choose to join a hostile military alliance without obvious repercussions. Claiming "Ukraine gets to chose whatever it please to do" is a childish notion, completely detached from reality.>he claims that Ukraine is rightful russian clay since RurikWhen has he done that? There was no such claim by him in the Tucker Carlson interview at least iirc.>>541111360>NATO expanded EVEN MORE because of the warWhich will likely end up with NATO disbanding or at least significantly fractured. If you think I feel any more secure because of us joining NATO, you're shrooming. Furthermore, if you think Ukraine hasn't received the same assistance that an actual NATO Article 5 trigger, you're delusional. They're NATO trained, armed and intelligence provided. We'd receive nothing more, were Russia to invade us (which I highly doubt they'd do).>>541113421>Specifically, what NATO expansion?What are you, fucking stupid?>What was the NATO action that triggered the uktrain war?Overthrowing a democratically elected government at the hands of a paramilitary funded by the US and EU.>Was it multiple NATO actions?Too many to count. I'm guessing you're just trolling.Also, what's with the "what was the point of the Ukraine war?" threads are ridiculous. Putin's been kvetching for almost 30 years about NATO expansion leading to war. Even "Mutti" Merkel understood this clearly.At least be honest and say>Yes, we're expansionist>Yes, we're out to destroy Russia>Yes, we're sacrificing a nation of 40mil pop just to annoy Russiaor>Yes, we believed Russia would just voice strong words and let Ukraine become a NATO military bulwark directly pointed at Russia, what would Putin do lol! it's just a gas station masquerading as a country lmaoTry to be honest. You're anonymous after all, what's the point in lying.
>>541113835What are those 7 countries?
>>541114771"No one cares about morality"-Immoral person
>>541109495Nato is retarded. Nato is a broke bitch.Nato isn't even WHITE anymore. I never knew ye, depart from me.
>>541113604>pop quiz: why do countries voluntarily elect to join NATOWe sure didn't. Our so called "leaders" opted to do so because NATO forced the Ukraine conflict upon the world, and we were left with no option. I'd much rather the conflict never happened, and I wager that's the opinion of most Ukrainians, except for a select few radicals. If you'd care about Ukrainians, you would've supported the early peace deals a long time ago, but that's not up to the Ukrainians apparently. It's up to the collective West, as apparent by Bo Johnson's obstruction of any peaceful settlement.
>>541109377Wrong
>>541115301>"No one cares about morality"You need to stop being 12 about this or you will always look at geopolitics with the eyes of a confused cow looking at an airplane.Was it moral for the USA to invade Iraq? Maybe, sure, Saddam was a bad guy. Or maybe not, perhaps sacrificing hundreds of thousands of civilians was a terrible thing that would just end up destabilizing the area anyway, resulting in something even worse. But the point was not whether it was good, it's about whether a group of people in power decided to go ahead and do it, and none of the protests ever changed anything. Just like you can vote for the peace guy who specifically says he will not go to war with Iran, and still get a war with Iran. Because the game is elites looking at the map, and the rest is a narrative for childish retards.
>>541115326>We sure didn't. Our so called "leaders" optedRussian glownigger roll call>because NATO forced the Ukraine conflict upon the world,Yep Russian glownigger. You invaded Europe and now Europe turned against you. I know you can't say much beyond your script because your glownigger tard wranglers will send you to the ukraine front but you should try a different script
>>541115014Is China entitled to have Japan as a buffer country?
>>541115875Russian shills have no idea how obvious they are even on a VPN. That shill glows and stinks like a russian from lightyears away.
>>541115875>Russian glownigger roll callBro it's not like they had a vote.>scream emergency>blast it on the news 24/7>Putin always looking at you from the newspapers by the cash register in S-market>just sign the agreementIf you haven't noticed, the average experience of EU democracy is seeing decisions being taken, being told what to think about them, and then being asked every 4 years who you want to see implementing them.
>>541114771>Then the USA sought to trap Russia in a difficult positionspelled globohomo wrong>color revolutions100% glownigger initiated, with the exception of the Iranian people trying to jump on board, not knowing they would be killed for not being backed by globohomo glowniggersreminder that glowniggers coup'd Iran twice, not just once
>>541115893>how about this completely gay example that ignores the part about there being an ocean in between China & Japaninto the fucking OVEN, kikel
>>541116202>invade Europe>NOTHING TO SEE HERE GOYS JUST IGNORE RUSSIANIGGERS EVERYWHERERussia literally just tried to use a drone to attack aircraft in Germany. They are all over Europe.Reminder that only Russianiggers dilate about NATO
>>541115875>muh vatnik HIVan pidor russbotits_all_so_tiresome.jpg>>541115893>Is China entitled to have Japan as a buffer country?Would it be best for China and Taiwan, yes. They're practically a buffer state already, posing no danger to China. We used to pose no danger to anyone. That has now changed. Ukraine posed a huge danger to Ukraine, as evident by Ukraine's stamina the conflict. Why do I have to explain this? It's really simple. As a peripheral state, don't turn blatantly hostile to either side. Or do so, at your own expense, and blame no one but yourself. >muh the world can't be static, war is a natural consequence of civilizational evolution for better or worseSure it can't be static. But economic influence is far better than military influence for everyone involved. I believe Taiwan will be economically conquered without a shot fired, much like how the US has done on the American continent. It would at least be wise for Taiwan to foster good relations with China and not succumb to US imposed antagonism towards the regional hegemon.
>>541116299this is hilariouslefttards used to be against the corporations, until they were told to fight for the corporationslefttards used to be against NATO, until they were told NATO is a good thing and expanding into other countries by coup'ing them is just fine, so long as its NATOthis is like when I was 13 and smoking in the woods up the street and this kid I knew was like whoa, you smoke? well, as long as you're smoking Marlboros.
>>541115213Gabom, Burkina Faso, Niger, Nigeria, Chad, Rawanda, Mali.Think there is another one that kicked out NATO members
>>541116234>spelled globohomo wrong>100% glownigger initiatedWell of course that's true, but in the end the difference between The United States of America and globohomo only exists for the people who, in the USA, have to suffer from a traitorous elite. In the end if they want to start another war for the glory of Israel, they will.>>541116299>BUT BUT BUT MY NARRATIVE SAYS-This is as retarded as that time when people saw coloured lights and decided it was Russia being harmessly spooky just long enough to give them an excuse to act. You're a child.
>>541109377>Russia invades a non NATO country- "NATO did thisCome on HIVan, your actions are FORCING neutral countries to join NATO, so the don't get "SMO'ed".
>>541115875>You invaded EuropeThanks for protecting us brave keyboard warrior. Where would Europe be if they hadn't responded in force to the brutal invasion of Russia's own military bases in areas populated entirely by Russians that were then bombed for a decade with NATO weapons?
>>541115326>because NATO forced the Ukraine conflict upon the worldinsane apologism for repeated russian aggression. countries opt to join because they fear russian expansion. western containment is FAR more benign than russia's militaristic expansion and you know this already. prior to this conflict nato hadnt deployed a single rifleman to any conflict, and nato's creation created what was the longest and most widespread period of prolonged peace europe had ever seen. russia also has a far worse record when it comes to keeping their promises to not invade neighbors when the most you can point to in this regard for nato is the "not one inch eastward" line that was never even formalized, whose circumstances changed drastically over time, meanwhile russia says the prospect of a ukrainian invasion is hysteria then did a literal week later. to blame nato over russia, and to view russia as the more predictable force for stability in all these instance, is just a blatant failure of pattern recognition. not even political, not west vs east not globohomo vs based, its just you failing to recognize basic patterns.
>>541116274Is China entitled to have South Korea as a buffer country then?
>>541116428There were no NATO bases in any of those countries. Why do you lie like a russian?
>>541116525You are a delusional piece of shit paid to be here
>>541116562he will not have a good answer for this lmao, it will be something dismissive like "hurr lol i dont care what those chinks do!". either he has to admit its an unpredictable old-world style of militaristic expansionism that we shouldnt want for the modern world, or he has to start delving into extremely gay and insane historical-land-claim bullshit which would never fly as justification for a modern war between two major powers (i.e 1000 years ago my great great uncle had his goat stolen and moved over the border by your uncle, etc). nobody takes this shit seriously lmao
>>541116525What aggression? What expansion? What exactly are you talking about? Did you follow any of this as it happened or are you just mindlessly parroting propaganda as it seems like?
>>541116651you are zigger shill faggot whose goal is to recreate the Soviet Union and turn the world into a commie bloc. eat shit, no matter how much you cry jew and globohomo i will never encourage ivans to drop vacuum bombs on their neighbors heads, because if i were their neighbor, i would not want this. you have a domination fetish, you wish to be dominated.
>>541116641You are a lying piece of shit faggot shil.Stop asking questions if you dont want to have a real discussion>https://www.stripes.com/theaters/africa/2024-08-05/niger-troops-depart-sahel-14748076.html>Pentagon completes pullout from Niger, 5 years after building a $110 million drone base
>>541116785Why are you upset today? Was something bombed in Kiev?
>>541116562>hello what is the Korean war?
>>541116785>recreate the Soviet Union The USSR was run by Ukraine too .The Soviet Union didnt have near the scope of the propaganda operation you nafo troons are running today.
>>541109377true. americans got too close to surrounding russia on all western borders
>>541116779TransnistriaAbkhazia and South OssetiaRusso-Georgia in generalCrimea and now Ukraine generally, which they can stop at any timeits so completely obvious, they are not a predictable actor, they want to drop anvils on all their neighbors heads unless they submit to them so they can reform the soviet union, and they will funnnel russian speaking separatists into border towns until local conflicts break out which they then use for justifications for invasion. all im wondering is, is this just complete failure of basic pattern recognition on your part, or is this malicious and purposeful agitprop? like are you paid to do this
>>541116700>its an unpredictable old-world style of militaristic expansionism that we shouldnt want for the modern worldThat never stopped being true anon. It was always like that and it always will be. There was a pause because since about 1990 there was really only one player, but that was never going to last forever.
>>541116562If some islands occupied by China for the last 30 years get shelled by Japan for a decade based on some promise China made to concede those islands to Japan in WW2 that's Japanese aggression that China is "entitled" to respond to in force. If those shells are supplied by the US with their explicit support China is correct in framing that as aggression by proxy by the US.
>>541116969Ukraine was U.S agression buddyIt wasn't Russia who overthrew their democratically elected leader
>>541116933yes we largely believe Il-Sung, Mao, and Stalin were wrong to instigate that and were engaging in retard past-turn-of-century old world flag planting bullshit, yes.
>>541116525>countries opt to join because they fear russian expansionThen why was a Western orchestrated coup necessary? >>541116525>they fear russian expansionNever was an issue until someone decided to disturb the fragile security structure of east Europe>prior to this conflict nato hadnt deployed a single rifleman to any conflictCome again? you serious?>nato's creation created what was the longest and most widespread period of prolonged peace europe had ever seenSo why did they decide to destroy the peace? Hubris? Corruption? Incompetence? I can believe pure stupidity and hubris made them think they could make Russia kneel and balkanize into 20 liberal democratic countries. Do something neither Napoleon, Hitler or anyone in history could do.Let me ask you this:How do you think Russia should've responded to being surrounded by a military presence directly aimed at strangling you? Just sit back and enjoy? Russia's a proud nation with a long history. No self respecting great power (inb4 lol) would ever stand for the abuse they've been subject to. Try putting yourself in the shoes of others. In Ukrainian shoes, I would've preferred the neutral status and peace, rather than becoming a sacrificial front pawn for western elites delusional grandiose ambitions, because I know how easily Finland can be sacrificed as well.
>>541117098Oh you still think you were the good guys in that lmao?Vietnam too?
>>541116942the USSR was absolutely not run by ukraine. Kruschev and Brezhnev had personal and political ties to ukraine and Ukrainian officials had strong influence at the time, but the USSR was absolutely ruled from Moscow by the central communist party. The Dnepropetrovsk Clan does not mean ukraine ran the USSR lol.
>>541116969So just Georgia. The entire brutal pattern of "military expansion" is a border skirmish with one country that they never even attempted to fully invade. A skirmish that was not framed as "a pattern of aggression" by the US glownigger propaganda you parrot until around 2012, during the blatant glownigger coup of Ukraine using the tactics they proudly announced over the previous years that they had been developing.
>>541109377Yes, but it's far more damning than just that>1990s: US sends advisors to Russia and former USSR to "help" states transition to capitalist economies>Gives Russia deliberately bad advice designed to economically destroy the country>Moves into post Soviet States, backs oligarchs who concentrate capital post collapseYeltsin wised up to this at the end of his presidency, Putin put a stop to it. That's why they hate Putin.>Give multiple assurances in formal diplomatic meetings there will be no NATO expansion -not one inch to the east- in exchange for dissolution of the Warsaw Pact>Clinton decides to expand NATO anyways>First wave of NATO expansion: Poland and more distant states>Russia is angry but tolerates this>Second wave in 2004: Baltic states, right next to Russia's second largest city and one of it's major ports are absorbed into NATO>Russia is furious and warns any further expansion will lead to war>US does it again anyways - overthrows Georgia with a color revolution (Soros involved) in 2005-ish. >Their puppet announces plans to join NATO in 2008 - right on Russia's southern border and overlooking the Black Sea>Russia goes to war>US does it again with Ukraine>Causes a warThe US and NATO are warmongers responsible for all these conflicts because they want to destroy Russia. They seek to surround it's cities, ports and everywhere with hostile bases including putting nuclear capable systems close to Russia (Romania) which are purely offensive in nature, capable of firing nuclear cruise missiles and suppressing a Russian retaliation.
>>541117143yes, do you think every communist nation should be forcing communism upon their neighbor right now, militarily? Nightmare mode: no whataboutism about capitalism or gay marriage, things that involve liberal democracy wherein you are free to leave the country at anytime
>>541109377And russia is losing it, badly.
>>541117381Yeah I don't think it's America's job to pick the leader of a country on the other side of the planet buddy
>>541109377I asked ai two question. How did the war start and what do each side want from the other to end the conflict. AI said there is no solution. Here is the short versionThe StalemateThe gap between these demands is unbridgeable under current conditions:Russia will not give up the land it has seized.Ukraine will not cede any of its sovereign territory.Russia will not accept NATO on its borderUkraine will not accept being left defenseless.Current Reality:As of August 2026, the war has settled into a war of attrition. Neither side has the immediate military capacity to fully achieve its maximalist goals. This has led to a "frozen conflict" scenario in some areas, with intense fighting along a static front line, while diplomatic efforts remain deadlocked.There have been occasional unofficial discussions about a "frozen conflict" model (similar to the Korean DMZ), where fighting stops but no peace treaty is signed, and Russia retains de facto control of occupied lands without international recognition. However, the Ukrainian government has consistently rejected this, and Russia has not officially abandoned its maximalist territorial claims."
>>541109377So NATO>which doesn't conquer nations but lets them join if they ask>which the Russians never did>which the Ukranians didn't>which Ukranians couldn't join anyway because of the Kharkiv pact >which originally lasted untill 2042cause the warAre you retarded nigger?
>>541117420So when are you getting the land back then?
>>541117530russia will collapse before ukraine surrenders
>>541117523>>which doesn't conquer nations but lets them join if they asklmao why do you have to keep couping them before they join then?
>>5411175682 more weeks amirite?
>>541117044i love how you types HATE democracy but use it as a cudgel when it suits you lmao, its very funnybut it doesnt even work here because a core tenant of democracy is that you SHOULD overthrow your leader if they are not serving the interests of the people, if they are failing in their duties, if you are left with no recourse. but the absolute funniest part is that i dont even need to argue from the perspective of revolt, because after slaying protestors and insane media suppression, Yanukovych and opposition leaders signed a European-brokered peace deal on February 21, 2014, promising early elections, then he just fucking left lmao, which meant he abandoned his constitutional duties. basically, you had a whose dissapproval reached upwards of 80% (in a country that already had tons of funneled russian separatists lmao), who was subjugating the media and killing protestors, then when everyone was like "hey fuck off retard", he freaked out and said "fine we'll do early elections", then fled the country. you are somehow framing this "ukrainians overthrew their democratically elected leader" fucking christ i hope the kremlin is paying you for this
>>541109377Yes that’s correct. They started it when they coup’d the legitimately elected Ukrainian government in 2014. Victoria Nuland, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, they were all in on it. Remember it was Obama’s idea to provoke a war I. Europe that would kill millions of ethnic Europeans. The globohomo jew leftists go out and set that shit up on purpose they hate ethnic Europeans so much. >>541109495>globohomo jew memeflag>loves the slaughter and eradication of European menFuck you evil pieces of shit. No wonder you use a memeflag
>>541117044democratically elected leaders? are you critical of putin literally poisoning his opposition?? lmao, what a joke you are. you simply just hate the west but wont live anywhere else its so fucking frustrating hahaha
>>541117642>akshually we had to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leaderummm just vote him out?
>>541117523Causes of the war:Historical Ties and Identity: Ukraine and Russia share deep historical, cultural, and ethnic connections, as both emerged from the former Soviet Union. However, Ukraine has increasingly sought to define itself as a distinct nation with its own identity, often looking westward toward the European Union and NATO, which Russia views as a threat to its influence.2014 Euromaidan Revolution In late 2013 and early 2014, mass protests in Ukraine (known as Euromaidan) led to the ousting of pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych after he rejected an association agreement with the EU. Russia saw this as a Western-backed coup and moved quickly to assert control.Annexation of Crimea: In March 2014, Russia annexed Crimea, a Ukrainian region with a majority ethnic-Russian population, citing the need to protect Russian speakers and historical ties. This move was widely condemned internationally as a violation of international law and Ukraine's sovereignty.War in Donbas Following the annexation of Crimea, pro-Russian separatists, supported by Russia, declared independence in the eastern Ukrainian regions of Donetsk and Luhansk (collectively known as Donbas). A war erupted between Ukrainian forces and separatists, with Russia providing military, financial, and logistical support. This conflict has killed over 14,000 people since 2014.2022 Full-Scale Invasion: On February 24, 2022, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, marking the largest conventional military attack in Europe since World War II. Russian President Vladimir Putin justified the invasion with claims of "denazification" and "demilitarization" of Ukraine, as well as the need to protect Russian speakers and prevent Ukraine's integration into NATO. These claims have been widely rejected by Ukraine, Western allies, and international observers.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
>>541117355>Gives Russia deliberately bad advice designed to economically destroy the countrynah that was just a Zigger skill issueother post soviet countries didn't do that badly>Give multiple assurances in formal diplomatic meetings there will be no NATO expansionmay we see it? oh right this was never actually signed which even Gorbachev said. There was no deal just like there wasn't one in Anchorage>Russia is angry but tolerates thisNah brah Putin straight up said it was OK for baltic states to join the seething started later>color revolutionah yes the all powerfull CIA boogey woogey which for some reason they don't use on Ziggersthat is because it is a retarded fantasyyour wife left you because you hit her not because your neighbor mind controlled her retard
>>541117355Glowniggers and their connected corporations have been making insane profit from this scam since the fall of the Soviets. It's not in the interest of US, NATO, US presidents or congress or anyone else and they all tended to oppose this as far as they knew about it, just not with any real force.
>>541117680Victoria Nuland came straight from running the war in Iraq to ukraine to start the war there.
>>541117698>so anally devastated he double repliedCONTROL YOURSELF lad! If you're seething so bad that you keep thinking of extra things to say after you've already hit post, you just have to hold it in until the next round of replies.
>>541109377Indeed Amerimutt,Now go pay your taxes (to Israel)
>>541110079>brown>people
>>541109495fpbpAlso LOL @ picrel
>>541117476you didnt answer my question, do you think every communist nation should just invade their neighbors right now? you types can never accept the fact that people gravitate toward the west absent cia coups. maybe people just dont want to fucking starve lmao maybe they see food abundance in the west and think "gee, would be nice..." like do you even know about east vs west berlin lol, this just completely btfo's the idea that your side is some system everyone secretly loves but the evil west always sabotages it. People were fleeing east berlin in droves to get away from how fucking bad that system is. All countries engage in gayops to convince neighboring populations of things, turns out our system is simply preferable to the one the opposition is pushing. you seem to agree, as you'd NEVER move to one of these places you're running defense for.
>>541109377Idc about europe, not my problem
>>541117568>russia will collapse before ukraine surrendersRussia's VERY unlikely to collapse. They can handle just about anything. I promise you EU will collapse before Russia. Russia could become a complete hermit nation without any trade with the outside world, and still do just fine. We on the other hand... Europe's basically a resource-less continent and the human capital is seriously degraded, and our industry... practically gone, and there will be no revival of "nationalist fervour" to regain a foothold. We're too far gone.>inb4 defeatistmore like a wake up call, which equates to a fart in the wind in the current EU political climate
>>541117722>Russia saw this as a Western-backed coupYes because russians are retardedthat is like saying your revolution against your british overlords was actually a French backed coupRussians do not understand that other people don't want to associate with them if they have a choice
>>541117642>wall of cope Victoria Nuland and John McCain outright threw the support of the U.S. behind the coup revolutionaries, publicly. Victoria Nuland brought them cookies on Ukrainian tv. It was a foreign effort to disenfranchise the millions of ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens who had voted for peace and working together with Russia.You European hating and man hating Globohomo jews are so evil. No wonder you need a wall of cope
>>541117901Yeah I don't think it's America's job to pick the leader of a country on the other side of the planet buddy
>>541117703they were literally going to, and he fled. he likely feared being legally held accountable for relentless media suppression and killing protestors after euromaidan
>>541117931It might've been easier to convince them if the west hadn't literally backed itLike just don't put your hands all up in that pie lmao
>>541117971>and he fledOh that's interesting!Why did he flee?
>>541117698> are you critical of putin literally poisoning his opposition??Russia is not our problem. We fund and arm the Ukrainian government. We don’t do anything like that for Russia, what a worthless attempt at changing the subject.
>>541117936>Victoria Nuland brought them cookiesthe horrorremind of what did Russians do at that time?oh right launched an invasion and lied about itPutin even admited that laterHell Igor girkin even said he started a waran FSB spook
>>541117795Yep. She’s so evil it’s unreal. Globohomo jewess in the extreme
>>541118037She bragged about giving them billions of dollars buddy
>>541117986west didn't back shitor do you think 800 000 people protesting in the Capital city alone were all paid shills
>>541117722which AI?>Viktor Yanukovych after he rejected an association agreement with the EUYou forgot to mention that the association imposed restrictions on UA-RF trade. So Yanukovich chose an option that didn't restrict trade either way.
>>541117936no shit we supported the western aligned guy, and guess what retard, russia supported the eastern alligned guy! and guess what else, the ukrainian population had a choice of either getting closer to europe to avoid living in shitty commie blocs and having political opposition gass'd like putin does, and guess which they chose! big surprise! this is what kicked off euromaidan. the populace saw a massive opportunity to actually get their country going econamically with trade deals to europe, but yanukovych was a russian stooge everyone hated so our stooge won. the world is a chess board and you're just upset your guy lost. fuck why do you even live here if you hate our systems so much, go live with the people whose cocks you are so ready to suck lmao. go live in fucking china or russia, why the fuck do i have to share land with you ahhhhhhh
>>541117901>wall of cope to somehow justify why globohomo jews can just overthrow any foreign leaders they don’t like to onstage wars to sacrifice European men and nations Fuck off kike
>>541118103They were quite open about it little buddy
>>541109495fpbp
>>541118092sure they did buckojust like Soros bribed that cute girl you liked in 5th grade to vry when she saw youor you could provide evidence of that claim
>>541118103>800k protestorsIts like you cocksucking faggots will just say anything
>>541118166oh no a politician came there to voice his supportI guess russians sending tank crews across the borded is totally OKsure bootlicker
>>541112538>I have the right to self determination>what are you going to do with it?>Im going to let people who want to kill you turn me into the instrument of your death>No.>AHHHHH SLAVA UKRAINE YOU CANT STOP ME FROM SELF DETERMININNNNNG!!!!people really expect Russia to just sit there and let itself be shit on like Iran or Vietnam or any of the other victims of western aggression over the past hundred years, lmao
>>541118193OH NO NO NOHE DOESN'T KNOW>We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine.https://2009-2017.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/2013/dec/218804.htm
>>541118226https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#/media/File:Anti-government_protests_in_Kiev_(13087651675).jpghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#/media/File:Euromaidan_19_January_3.jpgcope harder Jamal
>>541118193>https://thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/george-soros-s-giant-globalist-footprint-in-ukraine-s-turmoil/>Over the period from 1990 to 2010 the International Renaissance Foundation provided more than $100 million in support to numerous Ukrainian non-government organizations (NGOs), community groups, academic and cultural institutions, publishing houses, etc. >The IRF website and annual reports make clear that the Soros funds are targeted at promoting Ukrainian “partnership” with, and “integration” into, the EU. Soros has provided many millions more through his other “philanthropic” spigots. However, Soros’ influence in Ukraine extends far beyond the traceable funding he provides to activist Ukrainian NGOs, academics and think tanks. Equally, if not more, important is the influence he exerts on global opinion through his massive propaganda network (including Project Syndicate and other Soros megaphones) and his direct personal contacts with presidents, prime ministers, parliamentarians, central bankers, media executives, and Wall Street titans. >In a February 26 column he penned for Project Syndicate that was carried by hundreds of newspapers and websites, Soros argued that the EU and the IMF must initiate a new Marshall Plan for Ukraine, meaning, of course, transfers of money from EU and U.S. taxpayers to the politicians, organizations, and institutions approved by the globalist/socialist/corporatist operatives running the EU and IMF. Perhaps the key point in Soros’ essay, entitled, “Sustaining Ukraine’s Breakthrough,” is this: “Ukraine will need outside assistance that only the EU can provide: management expertise.”
>>541118029i literally just told you, retard. he feared repercussions due to his relentless media suppression and killing of protestors. his disapproval rating was completely insane, especially considering the amount of russian separatists already in the country. it completely crushes the idea that the only reason this happened was because of some western injected psyop.and also, even if it was a western coup, yanukovich was a russian stooge, so wouldnt it just be stooge vs stooge, and our won? in both instances, you lose here. either yanukovich was going to be held to task for his crimes and unwillingness to represent the people, or, the west beat the east in terms of political influence and subterfuge, and i should want that because all the world is a chess board. you just lose on all accounts.
>>541118226there was a massive protest, and a voted where they voted out their own leader. As is their right.Cry more.
>>541118301Fuck off with your CIA edited wikipedia trash
>>541118033not a subject change at all, im testing consistency. furthermore, yes, you support allies. are you retarded?
>>541118237If you overthrow your democratically elected leader with foreign help, don't be surprised if large portions of your country which quite liked that democratically elected leader choose not to join your new country.
>>541118300>https://2009-2017.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/2013/dec/218804.htm"Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are preconditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations. We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine."summed up for retarded mongoloids like you"We gave them money to be democratic and turn up like those retarded Russians with a dictator"Doesn't say anything about arming them or couping them fag
>>541117952but Russia and China are allowed to engage in psyops and separatist subterfuge? hmmmm curious! almost as if you are larping as someone who believes their systems are superior, yet wont live in their countries.... hmmmmmm
>>541118332He feared repercussions from whomst?
>>541118363yes when russia kills political opposition and funnels separatists into surrounding countries you just look the other way lmaoooooooo the bias is soooo fucking obvious
>>541117612Which nations have been couped by NATO? And joined them afterwards?
>>541118363Don't forget to bleach your eyes so the CIA augmented reality device falls offdipass
>>541118407But it does say something about giving them billions of dollars though doesn't it?Which is exactly what I said.
>>541118103Do you also think the other operations they bragged about like the arab spring were organic? You can't even conceive of what manipulation and propaganda would look like hypothetically after they proudly boast about exactly how they used it and how effective it is?
>>541118441a combination of the government/the people, obviously
>>541118496Okay US gave them cash to be democratichow did that cause the war then
>>541112991THE BEST DEAL FOR THE KHOKHOLS IS TO JOIN EVROPA FOR THE EVROPEAN PERSPECTIVEITS WHAT PUTLER HIMSELF ALWAYS WANTED AND THATS WHY HES MAD KHOLKHOLISTAN GOT THE EU OFFER AND NOT HIM
>>541118422bit of whataboutism there buddyWhoever said Russia and China were the good guys? What kind of pathetic excuse is that for your own dubious actions? But they did at least have the excuse of acting within their own sphere of influence, and not on the other side of the planet.
>>541118525if "color revolution" is a real thingwhy don't they do it in china or russia?because it doesn't workyou can't bribe a local population to hate a goverment they actually like
>>541118373so is there any penalty for russia funneling separatists into donbass or are you only critical of the west propping up a pro western candidate (as we should obviously want to)
>>541109377>NATO started the war in Ukraine by provoking Russia with globalist homosex magic>Russia was right to pre-emptively invade a neutral sovereign nation to prevent the spread of the gay as the based trad defenders of OrthodoxyThis is unironically what Russians believe, while bombing Eastern Slavic heritage sites older than both Russia and Ukraine into dust.Russians are in competition with American negroes for who's the most thoroughly buckbroken.
>>541110988This is a lie. NATO did not give zelensky permission to bomb Donbas. The russians pulled a Shah and used their military to aid paramilitary groups in making donbas secede from ukraine and then the russias directly ordered these paramilitary groups to form puppet governments. Thus, forcing ukraine to take military action to bring the secessionists back into the country. No different than when the union started attacking the south after the traitors fired the first shots at fort sumter.
>>541118472The list is quite extensive, but the obvious one being discussed ITT is Ukraine.
>>541118115>You forgot to mention that the association imposed restrictions on UA-RF trade. So Yanukovich chose an option that didn't restrict trade either way.This is part of the Euromaiden protests*: "Viktor Yanukovych suspended Ukraine's planned Association Agreement with the EU in November 2013 to prioritize restoring trade relations with Russia amid threats of economic sanctions and export blockades. Facing what he called a "humiliating" EU aid offer of €610 million, he instead accepted a $15 billion Russian loan and a reduction in natural gas prices from $400 to $268 per 1,000 cubic meters in December 2013. Economic motivations drove the decision, as Yanukovych feared that opening Ukrainian markets to competitive European goods would devastate domestic industry and sever vital trade ties with Russia, which accounted for one-third of Ukraine's total exports. He estimated Ukraine needed $160 billion over three years to offset potential losses from the EU deal, a sum the bloc refused to provide. *This pivot triggered the Euromaidan protests, leading to Yanukovych's removal from office in February 2014 and the subsequent annulment of the Russian–Ukrainian action plan by his successors."
>>541109377there is no war in ukraine, you just believe the news too much
>>541118656>The list is quite extensivedoesn't provide a listKEK keep coping retard
>>541118582>But they did at least have the excuse of acting within their own sphere of influence, and not on the other side of the planet.so its just a proximity thing? thats fucking retarded lmao, the whole world is a chess board, if they expand far enough, now they are everyone's problem. they think the same about us. you take that basis and realize, i can choose to live in and support one of these places. you are doing the extremely frustrating thing of living in one while making excuses for the other. its a very lefty thing to do tbqh. like you hate white people and capitalism but only live in white capitalist places.
>>541118531Shall we ask him?
>>541118656You specifically said that NATO coups countries that join them after. Ukraine is obviously not in NATO. You said the "list is extensive" so you should easily be able to name one country that was couped by NATO and that joined NATO after. We're waiting.
>>541118551Their idea of "democracy" was to overthrow their democratically elected leader.
>>541118608Russia didn't overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leader.
>>541118626Now turn the table and realize the West did the same, with the only difference being that it's at Russia's border, not at USA's border.
Actually it's worse cause NATO was a hostile military alliance against the USSR back in the day so it's really worse than people think.
>>541118719>the monroe doctrine is fucking retardedok bud
>>541118733Not really sure what you're getting at here. The guy fled because he knew he fucked up and everyone thought so. Simple as that. also btw they actually had a vote to formally remove him after he fled. its crazy how every part of this process was up to code yet your critique is explicitly pointed toward them, and away from the people literally conducting an invasion and gassing political opposition. its just very transparent
>>541109377>NATO literally RAPED Russia up the ass.
>>541118740>ummm akshually the country that we openly stated we wanted to join NATO didn't actually get to join NATO yet because Russia invaded them specifically to stop them from joining NATO so that doesn't count xD
>>541118870Why did he flee?
>>541118683Hence, The Stalemate:541117722
>>541118740>name one country that was couped by NATOFinland and Sweden. Georgia's (a failed) one.
>>541109495>>541117842nice flags retards
>>541118460The way you're absolutely certain that any violence against russian opposition is organized by Russia while pretending all violence against NATO opposition is organic resistance by individual freedom fighters should be a clue that you're easily manipulated, if you were able to think coherently about any subject.>>541118607Your position here is that glowniggers should be allowed to dictate the future of any country that's weak and lacking unity. In that situation any relatively weak government is incentivized to be more authoritarian.
>>541118854the Monroe doctrine is OUR doctrine dummy lmao. of course i believe in that because i support the west. do you expect me to support the protectionist policy of an adversarial nation whose principles and systems i view as in direct opposition to my own who are slowly expanding outward? why??
>>541118914>the list is extensiveIn English, that means there are several countries on that list. You named Ukraine, which doesn't even meet the criteria you claimed. So go ahead, name one. Or are you going to backpedal and admit you lied like the russian you are?
>>541118740>You specifically said that NATO coups countries that join them>https://theconversation.com/why-romanias-election-was-annulled-and-what-happens-next-245779
>>541118993Yes that's the point retard, you just described other countries monroe doctrines are retarded because you're too stupid to look at things objectively.
>>541118756by mindcontrolling him into breaking a promise to join the EU?by mindcontrolling millions of people to protest against that?
>>541118939fear of repercussion from government/ the people. going in circles here, are you just lonely and want someone to talk to or somethin. Not even being mean but I was hoping for someone to give actual pushback and not do the reaction-image long reply chain bait thing.
>>541119003Ukraine does meet the criteria I claimed and we will keep discussing that until you concede.
>>541118914explain how Ukraine could join nato despite signing the Kharkiv pact with RussiaI'll wait
>>541119057So vote him out lmaothen maybe your country won't be embroiled in a decade of war
>>541119086Is that what he said?
>>541119120Tell that to Kamala
>>541119010Oh no NATO overthrew the Romanian president....I mean years after they joinedI mean he did lie where he got his money fromand it was the EU who pointed it out but those damn NATO guys
>>541119093>the list is extensiveUkraine doesn't belong on that list because it's not in NATO. Also, Ukraine was not couped either, although russians tried but failed.So once again. Name one country from that extensive list. That word might not exist in hindi so maybe this is why you have trouble answering this question.
>>541118986>The way you're absolutely certain that any violence against russian opposition is organized by Russia while pretending all violence against NATO opposition is organic resistance by individual freedom fighters should be a clue that you're easily manipulated, if you were able to think coherently about any subject.never said that, of course we have our preferences in the west and prefer certain leaders win in other parts of the world, and we probably have cultural centers in ukraine that push these things and aid protests. i completely acknowledge all of that. the issue is that YOU will never acknowledge russia is doing the same shit, just in the opposite direction, and the ukrainian people ultimately sided with the west. all the world is a chess board.
>>541119144sure let's wait several years for his term to end and in the meantime he fucks up the countrywhat do you think the protests were retard?They hoped he would step downinstead he fled
>>541119220Yeah because Russia invaded to stop them from getting into NATO after NATO leaders said they wanted to get them into NATO lmao
>>541119270Yeah that's the way democracy works little buddyIf you throw the baby out with the bathwater you just might find yourself with a decade of war and millions dead
>>541119207I am telling it to you retardyou ignoring the fact they couldn't joined even if they asked buckbreaks your argument
>>541119056i literally know they have their own monroe doctrine doofus, ive never denied that russians have their own interests, the issue is that i believe their systems are more oppressive and restrictive than my own, and i dont want that spreading all over the planet (yes, even with our gay diversity hell, i still believe this to be the case). i prefer the freedom that comes with liberalism, and so do you or else you'd be living in these places, which you dont. wise choice btw
>>541119321The vice president of the U.S seemed to think they could join
>>541119175strongly implied by his actions, mr lonely man, or else he would have stuck around!
>>541118683Wonder how this will end up. Natural border would be the Dniepr river. But Kiev would not be a viable capital due to obvious reasons. What city westwards would be a viable new capital of Ukraine? Lviv? Or should they just join Poland? Doubt Poland would accept absorbing West Ukraine though... Capital's move all the time. Our capital was once Turku, but Tsar Alexander moved the capital to Helsinki to increase proximity to Russia and distance our legislative body from Sweden.
>>541119320Okay your prime minister decides hes going to sell 49% of australia to China and let them rape all of your womensure just wait untill the next electionmoron
>>541119369she wasn't vice president in 2013 dipshit
>>541119383>strongly impliedCan we find out what he actually SAID or is that a secret?
>>541119280Still waiting for you to name one country from that extensive list that joined NATO after NATO couped them. Why do you refuse to name one?
>>541119320kind of like how Russia threw away democracy by assassinating political opposition and forcibly conscripting people in waves to join a needless war of aggression? that kind of throwing away of democracy?
>>541119402ok I decide to overthrow him but after we overthrow him QLD decides they quite liked him and now they don't want to join the new country we're making - what do?
>>541119238>russia is doing the same shitThey're not capable of doing the "same shit", they don't have the same kind of global propaganda industry, money or the vast network of self-serving agents connected to global corporate special interests. They have two things, crude military power and a resilient relatively self-sufficient economy.
It is pretty obvious it is a reaction to recent threads about Russia being the nigger who attacked a neighboring country. And it is kind of a propaganda victory for them that nobody ever brings it up. Everyone argues like both sides are the same and both sides commit atrocities. Meanwhile the reality is only one side chimped out.
>>541119446yes, he gave statements. he coped and seethed about how he felt threatened (of course he did, he failed his country) and about how the only reason people hated him was western brainwashing and not because he completely fucked over his country by rejecting the european trade deal. whattaya think about that?!
>>541119556so because they are weaker now, we should just let them gain momentum? gee that couldnt possibly backfire in the future
>>541119429Wow cool!Anyway when she was VP she said she wanted Ukraine in NATO and then Russia invaded.
>>541119456Ukraine.
>>541119480>27 post faggot pretending Russia's ONE YEAR conscripts are being sent to ukraine.PatheticMeanwhile 90% of the million plus ukrainian conscripts/kidnapping victims were never seen again
>>541117929> and there will be no revival of "nationalist fervour" to regain a foothold. We're too far gone.That’s true about every globohomo jew economic opportunity zone. You guys aren’t anywhere near as irreversibly fucked as we are though. Finland has a chance still
>>541119582>how he felt threatenedThreatened by whomst?
>>541119557the best part is that the people who run defense for russia will neveeerrr live outside the western "globohomo" places they claim to hate. yeah there is plenty wrong with our tranny brown jewish-run hellhole societies, but id rather have these systems that allow for gradual change, than russia where change is quite literally, impossible. the dude fucking gassed his political opponent in his hotel room lmao how the fuck do you even fight against that
>>541119618Globohomo jews instigated the war in the first place by overthrowing the legitimately elected government of Ukraine. You are such an evil globohomo
>>541119618>gain momentumThe momentum was towards peace and more interconnected trade, which would have undermined their greatest strength in conflict, the self-sufficient economy. Corrupt actors from the west undermined that momentum for short term profit and caused a pointless war.
>>541109377>didndonuffinnigger classics #53
>>541109495>NATO is to keep you from looting your neighborsWhat business of NATO's is it? Stay in your North Atlantic.
>>541119734> yeah there is plenty wrong with our tranny brown jewish-run hellhole societies, but id rather have these systems>t. Ethnic European and man hating globohomo jew We know you’d literally rather have replacements, trannies and faggots while normal White men are sent off for sacrifice. You aren’t fooling anyone. Why do you hate White men so much?
>>541119668there was LITERALLY a conscription wave in russia from april 1st of this year to july 15th RETARD lmao. they got 160k people and even raised the upper recruitment age limit by 3 years. should i even continue arguing with someone as bad faith/ill informed as yourself? the fuck is the point lol. this is aside from the point that I strongly believe defensive conscription is more defensible than offensive conscription, but we can even get there because you didnt even know russia does forced conscription beyond the initial wave
>>541119787> Corrupt actors from the west undermined that momentum for short term profit and caused a pointless war.Correct. Globohomo jew Obama and his Victoria Nuland ambassador, among others.
>>541119480You use the word "democracy" around like it's meaningless.>Democracy cannot exist without free speechThe EU sanctions citizens with impunity for wrong speech. Take Jacque Baude for instance. >Jacques Baud is a former Swiss Army colonel and strategic analyst who has been sanctioned by the European Union for promoting pro-Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories regarding the war in Ukraine. Born in 1955, Baud served in the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service and held senior roles with the United Nations and NATO before becoming an independent consultant and author. >The EU sanctioned Baud on December 15, 2025, accusing him of acting as a "mouthpiece for pro-Russian propaganda" by alleging that Ukraine orchestrated its own invasion to join NATO. While Switzerland has not adopted these specific sanctions, Baud’s assets in the Eurozone are frozen, and he is barred from traveling within the EU, though he was granted a humanitarian waiver in early 2026 to access essential banking services. >Baud is a prolific writer and media commentator, having authored numerous books on intelligence, counterterrorism, and geopolitics, including titles such as "Operation Z," "Governing by Fake News," and "Peace in Ukraine." He frequently appears on pro-Russian and anti-Western media platforms, arguing that the conflict was provoked by NATO expansion and that the West is sacrificing Ukraine for geopolitical gain. Pretty much akin to political assassination. Your "holier than thou" attitude is alarming and very prevalent with the plebs of Europe.
Anyone who isn't retarded already knows this.People knew exactly what would happen if NATO tried to grab Ukraine since before the fucking Soviet Union fell apart. There are papers, interviews, studies, etc from 50 fucking years ago predicting exactly this.Imagine if Russia or China tried to ally with Mexico or Canada, does anyone think the US would just let it happen?
>>541119858why do you have american flag? you can be in any non-globohomo country and shitpost from there instead
>>541118551>funnel totally innocent not corruption, not bribes, not boosting right wing neo nazi militant groups, we swear money into your country to the tune of 10s of billions over 20 years>eventually the country has a color revolution and later a coup>second coup has to be a violent overthrow because even after all this time and all this corruption you can't get the people at the top to go along with the western plan to turn Ukraine into a kamikazi state for the west>after violent coup country lands in the hands of corrupt western aligned oligarchs and neo nazi groups>theres even tape of victoria nuland talking about who the US wants to see in charge after the coup>anon still doesnt get itlmao
>>541119911>conscripts Are only used for defense and regular service. Conscripts have not been deployed as a part of this war. Conscription has existed in Russia forever, it’s always been there. It’s different than the draft system here, where those who are drafted are nearly exclusively sent overseas to be shredded against their will. Especially if they’re White men.
>>541119971Worse than that - imagine if Russia or China had their grubby hands all over a coup which overthrew the American-friendly leader of Mexico or Canada and replaced them with a leader who was hostile to America....
>>541110988besides being wrong, you're incredibly wrong, you stupid faggot. an invasion isn't planned and done in 5 fucking days. stupid nigger
>>541119787this is completely insane to say considering the guy they ousted was AGAINST interconnected trade with europe. >>541119759hey moron, that guy was a russian stooge and he murdered protestors. the ukrainian people barely needed a push from anyone to hate the guy lmao. furthermore they didnt overthrow him, he vacated his post then they held an election. even if i grant we brainwashed the ukrainian populace, you realize russia funnels separatists into the region? why shouldnt i just view this as stooge vs stooge and our stooge won? why do you make excuses for russian globohomo yet dont live there????
>>541119971>Anyone who isn't retarded already knows this.Anyone who thinks the Western propaganda apparatus isn't more intrusive and effective than the Russian propaganda apparatus is likely retarded.
>>541117754The reason the US/NATO claims to back "democracy" and "human rights" is because that is the precise method they use to control other nations, quite simply they rig elections and send agitators and money to swing them and get their people in charge. You don't send an army, you just control who is at the top. That has been going on forever.>The Shah of Iran>Batista Regime>What we just did in Venezuela>Color revolutions across Europe>The not often mentioned Orange Revolution in Ukraine in 2004All of this aligns with George Soros "open borders" policy, he is a literal tool of the US (and Israel) because his open borders policy for Europe translates into displacing Syrians and Arabs, then sending them Europe for Greater Israel. Perhaps Palestinians too. Also, the goal of the current Ukrainian strikes into Russia is to generally cause panic ahead of the elections in Russia because the goal of the Western elites is to simply replace Putin because they do not control him.The US suddenly decided to not really care about human rights or democracy when it supported many of the above regimes, the Saudi Monarchy or when they allowed NATO Turkey and Israel to collaborate with Azerbaijan to ethnically cleanse Armenian civilians. No mention of sanctions and intolerable human rights violations then. Or in Ukraine, where the Ukrainian people don't have elections or a say in their government killing them all, of course because the government is a puppet of NATO.
>>541119540>overthrow himthey were protesting retardor are you saying people shoeld never protest their goverment?what are you a chink?
>>541120000> why do you have american flag?Because I’m an American citizen white man who was born here to American citizen parents? I disagree with globohomo jew imperial policy to erase ethnic Europeans from the earth. You think I should just ignore a policy like that in my home country and instead just live overseas? Perhaps the Globohomo jews could simply stop starting losing wars in which they only intend to sacrifice us. Maybe they could stop with all the demographic replacement and destruction here.
>>541118607They have tried it in China and Russia, its just that countries with strong nationalist bases and a core of anti-imperialists that keep an eye on things prevent it from working. Same as with Iran, they are constantly trying to coup Iran, constantly trying to drum up these revolutions, constantly funneling money and aid to "democracy" and "human rights" groups, it just doesn't work because 1. Iranians aren't fucking retarded and they have a long history of opposing the unending western meddling in their country and 2. there is a strong core of revolutionary leftovers from the revolution and the Iran-Iraq war who are there to make sure shit doesnt go off the rails
>>541116700nobody on /pol/ takes useful idiots for globohomo seriouslythis means you
>>541120104>waiting for anon to tell me why Ukraine's democratically elected leader just decided randomly flee the country one day for no reason at all
>>541119624WOW she said it AFTER Russians already attacked themfuck off brainlet
>>541120156Yeah they were protesting (violently) right up to the point where they overthrew him.
>>541116785useful idiots and their globohomo fantasies and history rewrites, lmaoRussia wants to bring back communism, this is some absolute retard shitbut we expect that from useful idiots
>>541120215nah you've got your timelines a little confused there buddy, Russia invaded after she said it
>>541118608Ukraine funneled separatists into the Donbass from the Donbass, by letting cunts like Azov run around attacking people while back in Kiev they started curtailing ethnic/linguistically Russian peoples' rights in Ukraine.
>>541120104> even if i grant we brainwashed the ukrainian populace> why do you make excuses for russian globohomo yet dont live there????Russia is not globohomo nor do they pursue geopolitical policies like that, at least since the fall of the Soviet Union and communism. It’s nice to see you admitted the Ukrainian people had nothing to do with it and it was a western backed coup to take over a country so that millions of ethnic European men could be sacrificed in your blood ritual. Evil ass globohomo jews
>>541112538THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
>>541109377Good. And Russia cannot and will not do shit about it. Cry about it.
>>541120024AHAHAHAHAHA that is russia's official statement but literally everyone has observed their conscripts getting stationed closer and closer to frontlines until they are fighting, additionally, they routinely coerce young men into signing contracts that clear them for frontline deployment, despite their initial conscription not including that. the ENDLESS excuse making for a place you will NEVER live is soooo fucking funny
>>541117754>may we see it?Picrel but it's not necessary, because Russia warned over war, then made good on that warning, then the US did it again anyways and started a war full knowing it would happen. That makes it indefensible, you don't need to bring up a violation of agreements anymore.
>>541120017>>theres even tape of victoria nuland talking about who the US wants to see in charge after the coupwhich you totally listened to right nigger?nah you didn'tshe says "yatz is the guy with the political experience he should be the MP" yeah Yatziniuk who was the leader of the oposition of course he was going to be one after the goverment collapsesAND"klitch should not go into the new goverment"which he DIDif it was some CIA mandate he wouldn't
>>541120152No way. Only bad guys use propaganda or push media narratives.
>>541120346Can we get an official statement on why Ukraine's democratically elected leader decided to flee one day for no reason at all?
>>541120360
>>541120231What about the ethnic Russians in central and eastern Ukraine who violently opposed the violent opposition in Kiev? They were the majority of the population. I suppose they don’t get a voice, according to globohomo jew ((democracy)) shills, who support a dictator in Ukraine currently who’s sacrificing and kidnapping young men
>>541117568absolute plebbit tierRussia saw the writing on the wall and began buying gold hand over fist since 2008like it or not poor troon, shiny rocks are money
>>541120095not to mention the "military exercizes" that Russia started at the border started 15-16th so a week priorAnd Lavrov lied about them not beign a prep for invasioncause Russians always just lie
>>541117642reminder that Democracy is globohomo code for the undermining of all republics on the planet
>>541120153Sounds like Russia's doing it wrong then. As evidenced by their 1.4 million dead with zero net benefit
>>541119401It's more complicated than that, although you're a Finn but hurter so I should have sitted this one out... the matter is now what new capital will be the best for Ukraine... the matter is will Ukraine remain as a sort of congruent state? No, not at all. But sure, some guys will still want to have a Ukraine and it will be supported by the Judeo-Americans and their vassals in Europe.Lviv would be the natural capital of Galicia / Vhoholina or whatever, but that wouldn't really be the "Ukraine" we know of today. Kiev is the only city with a real History of leadership in that country because it was once the capital of Rus(sia). The Russians haven't reached the Dniepre border yet and they don't seem to want that either (in this phase at least). So there will remain a Ukraine filled with problems, maybe it will "internally balkanise" (meaning internal division based on ethnic and geographic lines, not that country breaks up, simply because the jews in DC and Brussels would never allow it) and eventually Russia will take the Centre of Ukraine, naturally rulled from Kiev (in a posterior phase in the future). What I am trying to say is that Kiev is the natural capital of that bunch of land precisely for being the big city in the Dniepre. To the West of it there is no big city capable of leading the country. Lviv however is more than capable to lead its own very anti Russian proto-nation of Galicia, although I don't think they are mentally sound enough to keep it for long.
>>541120405Summary of a diplomatic meeting/cable in 1989 or so, between the UK, Germany, France and USSR containing even further assurances, forwarded to the US.
>>541120346> literally everyone has observed their conscripts getting stationed closer and closer to frontlines until they are fightingSo, Russia doesn’t have its conscripts fighting as you implied, and volunteers are the ones fighting in the SMO? No wonder they have such a power professional force. It’s made up of volunteers who want to be there! Why would you lie about an easily disproved point like that? Nothing you say can be taken seriously
>>541120231so vaving flags and chanting your national anthem is "violent protesting"you are a chinkshow a vid of these "violent protests" and no the footage of them throwing molot cocktails at cops who started shooting at them doesn't count retard
>>541120179> I disagree with globohomo jew imperial policy to erase ethnic Europeans from the earth. you're american so you're not white. you're not even european, why are you so obsessed with "ethnic europeans". and if you are already larping as such, why the fuck would you ever side with mongol zigger hordes over literally anyone else? it's understandable to not give a fuck about eastern europe and leave them to kill each other, but you're actively supporting someone who wants to figuratively and literally rape europeans.
>>541120360Based anon providing receipts. The Globohomo Jews have been lying and leading us to this point for decades. Its indefensible
>>541118103>west didn't back shityou globohomo fags just lie with aplomb and think nobody's going to notice
>>541120264Russia invaded in 2014 buckoor do you consider sending tank crews across the border just a practical joke?
>>541120556>show violence >and no the violence doesn't count
>>541116853>...last summer when its elected government was overthrown in a military coup, and the ruling junta subsequently ordered U.S. forces out the country in March. Sooo.. We left because some typical third world nigger shit happened in a nigger country where militant niggers violently overthrew the last corrupt niggers so that they could become the new corrupt niggers...? Why are you acting like niggers are humans who exercise sound moral judgment, you fucking retarded faggot?
>>541119354>man who lives in a nation culpable in two ongoing genocides, dozens of coups, dozens of invasions, that has been at war 99% of the last 100 years insists the Russians are the bad guys, actually, because they are playing defense at their own goalposts against an expansionist, hostile military allianceMan people are fucking retarded.
>>541120179but you believe democracy is a sham, why wouldnt you renounce your citizenship and go live with the ideals you purport to believe in? you will continue reaping the benefits of a lifestyle and systems that you KNOW you prefer, while pretending you are only staying to "fight the good fight" despite believing voting doesnt work, and never engaging in revolutionary violence and even calling such suggestions 'glowie shit". its like you're just completely paralyzed and all you'll do is complain while remaining here. i guess you're right about one thing concerning liberalism, unfortunately it forces me to share a country with people like you lmao. but thats okay, i accept that and view it as a strength. you view it as a weakness and will use it against me, all in efforts to turn this country into the places you refuse to move to. its just funny is all.
>>541120371> yatz is the guy with the political experience he should be the MPThe American ambassador to Ukraine gets to pick their leaders and bureaucrats, but not the Ukrainian people? Some democracy. No wonder Zelensky just lol’d and made it illegal to hold any elections so he can keep on being a dictator who sacrifices goyim White men
>>541120360Gorbachev admited that they were talking about east germany onlyalso this was held with a USSR representativeUSSR no longer existsRussia was not promised shitand nothing was signed
>>541120611That's the thing about overthrowing your own democracy little buddy - some parts of your country who quite liked the old democracy might decide they don't want to be a part of your country anymore.
>>541118332>Yankuyovich didnt want to obey globohomo and be their stooge, this means he was a Russian stooge insteadpure pottery
>>541120670I'm supposed to pretend this fucking creature is human?
>>541120197nobody here takes ziggers seriously globohomo > zigger commie bloc bullshityou believe this too or else you wouldnt live here simple, i dont even need to argue, the proof is in your flag lmao
>>541120333checked>Good. And Russia cannot and will not do shit about it. Cry about it.Russia's doing shit about it and the West is in free fall because of it. We thought it would be a slam dunk, but boy oh boy did we fuck up. The whole world will turn to China after this shit show. The economic warfare and wanton military sperg outs have not gone unnoticed by the world. The harsh words from Ursula or Glubmpf to China or any other nation outside of the West are laughed at behind closed doors. We're the pariah, the paper tiger, the HUMANITARIAN SUPERPOWER. It's over, and it's not reparable. There's no way we can rebuild the demographics and once again become prosperous. Our wealth is an illusion based on nothing. Much like how Britain declined to a 3rd world nation, not producing anything, only playing around with banking and finance, the collective West has already jumped of the same cliff. Outsourcing all industrial activity to China, then lecturing them on environmental concerns, is really peak comedy. It's over, buddy.
>>541120199wasnt random, he felt threatened by government/the people after failing his country and killing protestors. he said so himself
>>541120709do you have any reading comprehension?if she did pick who got to go into the new goverment Klitchko would not have been electedshe wanted him out of ther govermenttherefore not a CIA mandate
>>541120677damn ur right why do you still live here??? we're the worst!
>>541120462> As evidenced by their 1.4 million dead with zero net benefitBoth that number and net zero benefit are inversions of reality. That’s made up globohomo jew garbage with almost no real world evidence to back it up, and Russia is currently on the verge of winning outright the last piece of the objectives they laid out officially at the beginning of a war.That’s what winning looks like. Your apocalyptic kvetching about it is what losing feels like.
>>541109377Kennedy was determined to start WW3 over nukes in Cuba...At the Munich Security Conference 2022 Zelensky announced the nuclear rearmament of Ukraine and just two more weeks Russia invaded.
>>541118568>its a better deal to have your energy prices skyrocket with the EU's deal as opposed to stay where they are with the Russian dealyou fags just believe whatever globohomo tells you to believesad, many cases
>>541120787Klitchko is half a jew, faggot. She loved him
>>541120758>>541120333Don't worry, now we're doing dumb shit in Iran too,ISRAEL FIRST
>>541120775Oh Ukraine's democratically elected leader said he felt threatened by the armed protestors who had taken control of the capital?
>>541120836why are you so invested in russia winning the war?
>>541118608>russia funneling separatists into donbassPepperidge Farms remembers Putin telling Russian soldiers with hohol family under attack they could go help their families out
>>541120721"overthrowing your own democracy" nice trypeople protesting the goverment is not overthrowing itI know your chink education told you that it isbut the tiananmen square massacre did actually happen
>>541120733yup, when caught between two major powers, you ALWAYS end up picking one. are you retarded? have you opened a single history book? there so few examples of truly neutral nations caught between major powers. buffer zones are almost always sources of conflict and you're basically just saying let the other guys have it lmao
>>541120932>eople protesting the goverment is not overthrowing itIt is if during their protesting they overthrow it lmao
>>541120859yup! after killing protestors and failing to represent the will of his people, they were getting fed up! should they have tried to vote their way out of the guy killing them? lmao
>>541118626>NATO did not give zelensky permission to bomb Donbas.zelensky is a puppet and the bombing started before they decided they needed to put a literal actor who played president on TV into the president's seatnow forget entirely about him being Kolominsky's employee, or that Biden & Obama helped Kolominsky secure funding for performing the maidan coup
>>541120849why did she say he shouldn't be in the goverment then?I know why btwbut the fact he did become part of the goverment proves it was not some CIA mandate or US controlled coup
>>541120572> you're american so you're not white. you're not even european, why are you so obsessed with "ethnic europeans". and if you are already larping as suchAs yes, American shitskins, famous for their concerns about the welfare and lives of ethnic Europeans the world over. Why would a burger be concerned about such an issue? It’s a mystery.
>>541120980>should they have tried to vote their way outYes.If you throw your democracy away, don't be surprised if the result is a decade of war and millions dead.
>>541120886You are a lying faggot.Out of 1000 separatists pows captured by ukraine in the first 6 months only 10 were Russian military.1%
>>541120273fucking lol you cant funnel separatists into your own country lmao, Donbas was Ukrainian territory since 91.
>>541120975so if you protest your corrupt politican and instead of stepping down he fucks off with all the stolen money it somehow magically become a coupwhat a crazy world you live inmenawhile in reality words mean words
>>541120317russia isnt "globohomo" because they lack the ability to project their power and culture. it isnt for lack of trying lmao
>>541121055>Donbas was Ukrainian territory since 91.Donbas was a territory of the OLD ukrainian democracy...You threw that away remember?
>>541109377Thank you for your opinion shitskin.
>>541121080>he fucks offWhy did he fuck off?
>>541121035>If you throw your democracy awaychicnkfag considers "protesting" an "overthrowing"that is like Russians claiming fucking a dude in the ass doesn't make you gayincredible dissonance
>>541121035but what if democracy isnt working? all that reaction image posting for such an obvious philosophical dead-end for you lol
>>541120670> Why are you acting like niggers are humans who exercise sound moral judgment, you fucking retarded faggot?Those are Nigers to you, kike. They chose to pursue sovereignty and economic growth for their nation and people is my guess. Why do you hate self determination so much?
>>541120740> globohomoIs worse than anything else and that's why we need to fight them till death.Their agenda is the ultimate dystopia.
>>541121034it really is a mystery. what do you think you have common with europeans? especially when you're actively cheering for enemies of europeans in the same breath?
>>541121135because he was a Russian puppet who failedwent back to his masters with the money he stole
>>541121113nope, no part of yanukovich being ousted negates ukrainian territory. ejecting a leader doesnt mean dissolving your union. when jfk was assassinated texas didnt go back to mexico you retard lmao
>>541121137>we wuz jusss protesting>we dindu nuffin>the democratic leader juss overthrew deyself
>>541121155What if there are vast swathes of your country which disagree with you and believe IT IS WORKING?
>>541121172you should literally just go live in russia and fight in ukraine then, it seems like your life's calling to be honest. no better opportunity to fight globohomo.instead what will you do? shitpost and *chuckles* vote? cmon you dont believe in that, voting is globohomo shit, right?
>>541120994>zelensky is a puppet and the bombing started before they decided they needed to put a literal actor who played president on TV into the president's seatThat tv show is the greatest success of CIA or NSA or whatever judeo-american glowie department was responsible for it. It was a truly magistral play. Do people say that in English?
>>541120700> but you believe democracy is a shamBecause it is. Our globohomo jew overlords just eternally ignore the will of the voters and do the opposite, whatever israel needs. When Zelensky got elected he was explicitly elected on a peace platform with Russia. What did he do? Got into office, started the war, and now 1.5 million Ukrainian men are dead. We’ve seen the endless graveyard pics, we’ve seen plenty of real world evidence. Why do globohomo jews claim to defend democracy yet just always do whatever Israel wants, and label that ((democracy))?
>>541121199>he ran away because he's a Russian puppetWhy would that make him run away? Wouldn't Russia want to keep their puppet in place?
>>541120875>why are you so invested in russia winning the war?He's probably just being objective and unbiased. What's the point in entertaining delusions? On a anonymous mongolian basket weaving forum no less.
>>541120371They are political decisions and not final until the dust settles and a large number of conversations take place.At the end of the day, Pyatt saying clearly that they were "in play" ahead of the maidan then both going on to discuss how its going to pan out and how they would like it to pan out is clearly an indication they knew this was going to be a coup and that they were involved in it. The fact that all their wishes of that moment didn't come true doesn't change the basic reality of the conversation.
>>541121260then you stay and crush the people militarily. this comes down to who you believe was correct. do you believe the ukrainians should have simply let themselves be misrepresented by their government and their protestors killed and just waited for an election?
>>541121222you have failed to provide a single instance of those protests beign "violent"prior to cops shooting at civiliansbtw it was either yanukovitch or his security deatil who gave the orderguess what countries do to people who give an order to shoot at their civiliansthat is another reason why he fledhe knew he fucked up
>>541121210That's the thing about throwing away your own rule of law - other people might ALSO decide that laws no longer apply.Maybe even the people who disagree with you!
>>541120787She picked all kinds of people. The Ukrainian government was set up by globohomo for this purpose. The anti-corruption bureau that magically only cracks down on anyone with an open mind towards peace with Russia, the list goes on.
>>541121344if you're going to shill pro russian stuff, at least use different flag than finland
>>541121366That's very undemocratic of you.Congratulations, the result of your undemocratic actions is a decade of war and millions dead.
>>541121261Kek this kike is fuming...Germany just have to grow some balls and some brains and join Russia and your gay empire ends.Kek!And it will be you who is going to need to go and fight to keep your life... which you won't because you're a coward.All zogbots are.
>>541121323okay if democracy is a sham, then why are you either engaging in revolutionary violence or joining the russian military to fight globohomo on the ground? Are you just going to stay in my country, living a globohomo life, claiming its awful, while doing nothing about it? How am i supposed to take that seriously. Not even fedposting its just, you arent living your values and in fact, are living the polar opposite. you live the same life as most americans, using the same systems, currency, infrastructure, alllll the same stuff that arrives by way of voting, yet you claim to despise it, yet wont leave, and wont change it. its just kinda funny is all. very larpy
>>541121325read the second sentencehe fucked up by ordering the cops to shoot at civilians
>>541120803>ur not allowed to disagree with globohomo jew policy and ideas >or ur not American deserving of rights See that’s the issue. You guys routinely arbitrarily decides who gets rights and who doesn’t. Evil to the core
>>541121474pffftttahahahahahahha fucking irrelevant moo-moo-frau-doo-doo-gau country chiming in from the sidelines ahahahaha
>>541121401So if a cop shoots at civilians you have to throw your democracy away?
>>541121348>Pyatt saying clearly that they were "in play"that was on february 6th 2014maidan started in november 2013lying cocksucker
>>541121472do you believe the ukrainians should have simply let themselves be misrepresented by their government and their protestors killed and just waited for an election?i feel like you wont answer this, all you do is sophistry, you wont commit to a position, you just ask "why" over and over again lol
>>541110419I don't consider NATO expansion as the most important cause of the war. Yes t is true that there would be no war without NATO expansion, but Ukraine needed to be invaded/partitioned NATO expansion or not. The coup government was not only illegitimate, but a bunch of shitbags. The great tragedy is that Russia didn't put an end to it in 2014. Russia allowed kikerainians to abuse and murder people for over 12 years because they hoped to avoid conflict.
>>541121484>he fucked up by ordering the cops to shoot at civiliansThat's no a reason to flee either..... very confusing!Unless.... THERE'S SOMETHING WHICH HAPPENED AFTER THIS which you want to conveniently leave out?
>>541120711>haha technicalities technicalities we can do what we want!>OH NO THESE RUSSIANS ARE SHOOTING BACK AT US WTF THEY ARE SO EVILHow about you just stop being a faggot and understand that Russia doesn't want to be absorbed into your capitalist colonial extraction machine? Or I mean OK we can do the war stuff, too, Russia isn't shy.
>>541121015You’re just engaging in pilpul and doing anything to lessen the culpability obviously due to globohomo glownigger agencies, including the state department.
>>541121537how is fichting back against cops who shoot at you "throwing democracy away"you know what fag I am tired of youyou are either severlly retarded or a massive bootlicker
>>541121496Not at all, You are 10000% allowed to disagree, and the way you funnel that disagreement is into a votebut you dont think that works, so how else am i supposed to believe you think change comes about? Why are you appealing to voting rights, you dont even believe in voting lmao
>>541121496if you have a problem with the concept of someone arbitrarily deciding rights, why simp for putin whose regime is all about that?
>>541121086> because they lack the ability to project their power and cultureHow are they winning and why are EU nations trying to build their militaries back up to counter them then?
>>541121576I believe that if you throw your democracy away there might be people who disagree with you, people who wanted to keep that democracy and DON'T want to join your new one.I believe that if you decide to use violence against those people YOU ARE THE BAD GUY.
>>541121605If you order cops to shoot at civiliansthey get angry at youthey might want to try you for treasonso he fledmoron
>>541121638The part where you overthrow the democratically elected leader
>>541121537sophistry, endless sophistry. i should just ask you to steelman your own arguments over and over until you go to sleep lol why do you think most people would believe a singular cop shooting a civilian wouldnt warrant a revolt, yet the entire government structure engaging in similar top down behavior, would warrant a revolt?
>>541120994>Kolominsky secure funding for performing the maidan coupKolomoyskyi was the primary financier of the Azov Batallion, a literal ultra nationalist paramility. What really boggles the mind is what motivates them. Do they really think they'll establish an ethno-state if they'd somehow manage to push back Russia? Just as the US funded ISIS and declared them extremist terrorists after they lost their use in destabilizing ME nations, Azov Batallion would be designated a extremist terrorist organization and treated accordingly.It's really laughable that they think EU and NATO membership would pave the way to some thing other than a multicultural pseudo-independent shithole that every EU nation has turned into (except for Poland and Hungary to a lesser degree).Well not laughable really... just sad.
>>541121613man how is reality buckbreaking you this hardGorbatchev him self said itcan't use him as a source of some imginary reason
>>541121711Is that why he said he fled? Because he was worried he might get democratically tried for treason within the rule of law?
>>541113757Maybe USA should not have gone to eat with Hitler and Europe would still be well Europe
>>541110191You and your /pol/ conspiracy theories . . .
>>541121632yes i am the glowie who makes all of your favourite brands go out of stocklol you paranoid shizos are something
>>541120803>ruin every other place on Earth>IF YOU DONT LIKE IT JUST GO LIVE IN THE PLACES WE RUINEDNo thanks, maybe if you stopped constantly destroying everything, sure, but for now I'm good.Euros are the biggest niggers on the planet, they've industrialized tearing everything apart, hell they are even cannabalizing their own quality of life at this point, because all their colonies just can't support their greed any more, anything to give Elon Musk one more profitable quarter or Jeff Bezos one more Yatch.
>>541121733how is him fucking off to another country "overthrowing him"answer the question for once
>>541121187> especially when you're actively cheering for enemies of europeans in the same breath?Russians are enemies of Europeans? I think israel and the UK might have an interest in pursuing a policy like that, but any other nation no. It isn’t Russia flooding those countries with replacements.The israelis were bragging about that Cueta migrant wave stunt a couple short weeks ago. You liars are so bad.
>>541121826>he just fucked off to another country for no reason at allThere might be a hint there buddy
>>541115326We did with vast majority for joining
>>541121768"a criminal lies about why he fears prosecution"man what a concept for you brainletswho gave the order to shoot at civilians then?if the answers is "DA CEAHEE" why didn't he say it at the time?
>>541121055What I'm telling you is that Ukraine made the separatists from the Donbas population by oppressing the population of the Donbas, Russian involvement was tertiary.
>>541121826he is going ask "ermmmm why did he flee hehehehe" as if this hasnt been answered 1000 times, then when you show him the threats form government/ the people came about because of actions he took, he just retreats to this idea that democracy only works if you never ever ever ever threaten violence even if you are being killed and suppressed, which he clearly doesnt believe. its just a loop at this point, which curiously, he never applies to russia being undemocratic. Her seems to only criticize the west in this regard, the only place he'll ever live. its funny
>>541121751>Muh ultra nationalists who unironically serve jews>And slaughter fellow whites for jewsMakes one wonder...
>>541121210> no part of yanukovich being ousted negates ukrainian territory. ejecting a leader doesnt mean dissolving your unionMaybe it does to the ethnic Russian Ukrainians who made up the majority of the Ukrainian population who voted for that dude? Why do you pretend like the sovereignty and the will of those people simply does not and has never existed?I wonder what kind of poster would attempt to mischaracterize reality on the ground like that?
>>541121864because he feared beign prosecuted for treasongiving an order to shoot at protesters
>>541121916Why don't you want to tell me why he said he fled anon?
>>541121971Is that what he said?
>>541121537....said either a vpn rusnigger or a covid camp resident
>>541122007not an argument memeflag
>>541121412oh no the scary people who take over might even install a government that misrepresents the will of the people and kills protestors!
>>541121557You understand the date of the leak is not the date of the phone call, right? You can't be this retarded, right?
>>541121261> you should literally just go live in russia and fight in ukraine then, it seems like your life's calling to be honest. no better opportunity to fight globohomo.Delusional. We can stay comfy with our families and friends right here redpilling everyone on the evils of the globohomo jew. Which is what you’re petrified about anyway. Luckily for you we are all talking about this with everyone irl
>>541121837yes, russians are the enemies of europeans. you'd obviously know this if you cared about "ethnic white europeans" as you claim so much.> I think israel and the UK might have an interest in pursuing a policy like that, but any other nation no.whatabout> It isn’t Russia flooding those countries with replacements. wrong, russia tried to flood europe with migrants through belaruse>The israelis were bragging about that Cueta migrant wave stunt a couple short weeks agowhatabout why are you cheering for enemies of europeans? why are you so invested in russia winning?
>>541122064Yeah that's bad isn't it?Better do it back to them! >wtf why is my country destroyed now?
>>541121974>>541121997who gives a shit what he said"Some of his own party voted for his removalUkraine's new government issued an arrest warrant for Yanukovych, accusing him of responsibility for the killing of protesters. He fled to Russia, claiming to still be the head of state."btw if you love due process so much guess whathe could have stood trial and proved his innocence....if he didn't give the order
>>541121035>If you throw your democracy away, don't be surprised if the result is a decade of war and millions dead.We overthrow democracies all the time and install oppressive authoritarians all the time. We have no interest in democracy. Neither do we care about Islamic monarchies, as long as they kiss the ring. Stop pretending it's out of moral duty we wreak havoc around the world. The US is a RUTHLESS empire not guided by morals or altruism, but by a quest of global domination by any means necessary. Everything's for sale in the US, especially political power, as proven by the Israel lobby, and these kind of environments naturally attract the worst of he worst.I'm not convinced that Trump has the best intentions of the US in mind, but I'm definitely sure that Putin has the best intention in mind for Russia. I doubt Stubb, Ursula, Kallas, or any of those US-groomed stooges have any heart for their countrymen. They consider them selves Brahmin while everyone else is Dalit, which is why they lie so effortlessly at every occasion.
>>541122077you understand they couldn't be talking about the maidan before it happend?Noof course not Ziggers are retarded
>>541122182>weat least change your vpn ivan
>>541121322Yeah lots of people talk like that. Are you some American English expert in Portugal, nigger?
>>541122155>who cares what the democratically elected leader said? I didn't like him anyway! >and after armed men took control of the capital and chased away the president and all his allies, some of his party voted for his removal!This is democracy to the Eastern European mind
>>541121934how did the ukrainian people create separatists in the donbas? it was russia funneling them into the region.
>>541121760I don't care what Gorbachev said, anon, everyone up and down the line both in the US community and in Russia, and the USSR before it, have been constantly warning that NATO expansion is a big concern to Russia and that it would eventually provoke a conflict. You can ignore it all you want, and keep marching eastward, but you should just understand that at some point in your little march someone with a gun is going to start shooting at you, and here we are.Act innocent all you want, go for it, you can live in your delusional little bubble, but absolutely nothing is going to compel the Russians to disregard reality and let a hostile military alliance walk right up to its border and start operating from next door.Cope and seethe all you want.
>>541122053It is an argument, you are just too stupid to understand it, abbo.
>>541121469>if you're going to shill pro russian stuff, at least use different flag than finlandPack your bags and go back to Israel, Shmuel. We need you concentrated in one spot. A concentration camp of sorts.
>>541122298yeah righto buddyadhoming from behind a memeflag really is the most cowardly thing you could do on /pol/
>>541122138you need to stand up for yourself if you believe your democratic systems are not sufficiently representing the overwhelming majority of your country.
>>541122260so giving an order to soot at protestors is OK>chinkshill mind in action
>>541122352It'd be a real shame if the people who disagreed with you also stood up for themselves
>>541122373so vote him out lmao
>>541122097what does redpilling do if you dont believe in voting. are you just hoping other people engage in violent revolt for you?
>>541122294>I don't care what the guy who was there said about itkeep fantasizing then nigger
>>541121916>globohomo glownigger kvetching increasesLike nearly 50 posts of your apocalyptic kvetching, all of it obviously false. lol
>>541121751They're called useful-idiots. Nationalism is promoted in Eastern Europe because it is anti-Russia. If Russia didn't exist it would serve no purpose. The United States supported Islamic fundamentalism during the Cold War because it was anti-communist. We supported Islamic fundamentalists to overthrow the Middle-Eastern regimes we didn't like.Just as champagne-socialists would be the first to be killed in an actual communist revolution, the same is true for the far-right.Nazi Germany was an industrial power who used ideology as a dialectic to destabilize its enemies and to spread its influence. Its goal was to create a New World Order.Ukrainian nationalists are too stupid to understand how the world works. They can never be anything other than useful-idiots.
>>541122419>"hey that guy who is rounding up civiliansand shooting them?">"lets vote him out in 4 years"LOL this might be the most retarded thing i have ever heardnight bucko
>>541122391yes then thats called a civil war and if it comes to that you hope the people's whose ideals you support win. you seem to be under the impression that conflict will never happen if everyone just promises to be really really nice, but you also never apply this to russia for some reason? do you believe they should try to vote their way out of putin assassinating political opposition? how does that work?
>>541109495>Tongue my anus, FSB nigger.>>NATO is to keep you from looting your neighbors. And you are livid about it.BASED
>>541122279>how did the ukrainian people create separatists in the donbas?Because Ukrainian nationalists started killing ethnic Russians in the Donbas, and Ukrainian politicians in Kiev started making Russian language illegal (among other things). If you start attacking a people they may decide they don't want to be at your party any more.Russia allowed some Russians to cross over to assist Donbas later but the primary reason for the separatists sentiment was Ukrainian nationalism (specifically the virulently anti-Russian kind) taking over the country during Maidan and then doing whatever they wanted to do to the Russian ethnic population in the east.
>>541122465says the guy with 30 postsnigger calling a pot black KEK
>>541117490>>541119401There is no end to this war.
>>541122445I'm not the one pretending NATO should be able to do whatever it wants, enjoy losing your war, moron.
>>541122499Yes.Otherwise the people who like him and don't believe that he IS randomly rounding up civilians and shooting them won't want to join your new country.
>>541122513Well congrats - you got your war.Hows it working out for ya?
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>>541121401> prior to cops shooting at civiliansThat’s the bar for when an elected government can just be deposed? Crazy
>>541122517>Because Ukrainian nationalists started killing ethnic Russians in the Donbasare you referring to the literal armed russia separatist militas post-crimea that seized government buildings and declared independent republics? THOSE ethnic russians??
>>541122294> constantly warning that NATO expansion is a big concern to Russia and that it would eventually provoke a conflict.NATO isn't warsaw pact, membership is voluntary. though i get you might not understand what the word means. >big concern to Russiarussia has no right to give a shit about whatever smaller countries around it are doing. it's truly amazing how this superpower is constantly threatened by tiny irrelevant shitholes next to it simply existing
>>541122564>don't believe that he IS randomly rounding up civilians and shooting themoh and i guess footage of that happening is what?yeez you chinks are mindbucked all the way are ya
>>541122564I believe the state just started shooting people in the protests about as much as I believe the Israel/US lies about the recent Iranian protests, they literally do this shit all the time, create violence during protests and then try to pin it on the state, its been done too much for me to believe it. Maybe if we get some real investigation that can actually be believed, but fat chance with the westerners in charge.
>>541122644The eastern european mind wants to throw away his democracy at the first sign of not getting exactly what he wants
>>541122644another amerishart without reading comprehensionWhat I said was that the protests we not violentbut then cops started doing shooty boomy into peoplethen the people started to get violentI wonder why
>>541122691I'm referring to the numerous ethnic russians in eastern Ukraine who were killed by Azov and others who were running roughshod over the whole region
>>541122716Yes I'm sure it's all very compelling but some people just don't agree with you, sorry bud.In a democracy people are allowed to disagree with you.
>>541111754Denying factory origin: Masking the factory stamps, lot numbers, and national symbols on a weapon denies the enemy immediate visual confirmation of which country or specific manufacturing plant supplied the munitionPreventing quality control updates: If a bomb fails to detonate due to a factory defect, hiding the lot number prevents the manufacturing nation from realizing a specific production run has faulty fuses. This stops them from issuing recalls or correcting their weapons blueprints.
>>541109377That's a nice cope. Unfortunately there is a lengthy video of Putin explaining what he did and why. No getting out of this.
>>541122727there were TV cameras showing footage as the cops were shooting at civies...livemaidan was wild
>>541122811people are allowed to deny reality....sureit makes them delusionaloff to bedfuck off chink
>>541122595excellent, entirely worth containing russia. happy to have a small bump in cost of living to support an ally against russian aggression.
>>541122716>chinks I thought we were all Russians, totally organic Czech bro?
>>541122917If you try to force them to adhere to your version of "reality" don't be surprised if you end up with a decade of war and millions dead.
>>541122701If membership is "voluntary", why does the west need these decades long influence campaign along with tens of billions of bribes and corruption money to get it to happen, and even then only after a violent coup?>russia has no right to give a shit about whatever smaller countries around it are doing.lmao, Russia has every right to give a shit about what its neighbors are doing, and if what they are doing is posing a significant danger to them they are right to act just as if you would be right to act if your neighbor next door was doing something that could harm you and your family.>it's truly amazing how this superpower is constantly threatened by tiny irrelevant shitholes next to it simply existingIts not a superpower and its not threatened by them "existing", its threatened by them joining a hostile, expansionist military alliance.
>>541122937Well I'm glad you're enjoying it, doesn't seem to be working out so great for the Ukrainians who decided to throw away their democracy.
>>541122796when did this happen and where and for what reason? were the russians acting as separatists post crimea? that is called a separatist movement and any country would crush this obviously. are you parroting unironic russian agitprop right now claiming there were azov battalions slaughtering random non separatist ethnic russians, completely divorced from crimea and funneled armed separatist groups from russia? i dont think there is any evidence of this. there WAS an active military conflict in the area in which civilians on both sides were killed, but non separatist targeting from azov??? where??
>>541122937> excellent, entirely worth containing russia. happy to have a small bump in cost of living to support an ally against russian aggression.>hand rubbing intensifiesSpoken like a true globohomo jew who loves nothing more than seeing ethnic Europeans sacrificed and destroyed. Evil piece of shit
>>541121886>We did with vast majority for joiningNot by referendum, but by poll, and that was after the (fully provoked) Ukraine conflict. So what options did we have? Without NATO membership we couldn't have supported Ukraine in the way we have. It was basically forced upon us by the powers that instigated the conflict. Our and Sweden's membership was obviously a pre-planned contingency plan, would chess pieces move accordingly. I for one don't like the position we've been placed at. Ukraine was easily sacrificed without any orchestrators losing sleep. They were 40mil, easily swayed to act against their own interest. As I said before. Ukraine's already received NATO's article 5 guarantee issued. We'd receive nothing more, probably less, even though we're NATO members. Good luck convincing other nations to put boots on the ground in meaningful numbers would Russia attack us (which I highly doubt they would). At least we have terrain to our advantage, considering it's all marshes and lakes to the south east, OH WAIT.... forgot that mechanized warfare is dead, only drones matter now.But again, Russia has absolutely no interest in conquering Finland. They even have absolutely no interest in conquering Western Ukraine. They will wage war of attrition in Ukraine for however long they desire and time and resources are on their side. So eventually it'll be a South Korea/Best Korea with the DMZ being the Dniepr river.
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>>541123061If you overthrow your own democracy you don't get to call the people who liked the old democracy "separatists"
>>541123002do you feel the same way about the conscripted russian men being thrown into a meat grinder. what should they do about that? vote against the guy assassinating political opponents? how does that work?
>>541123061> when did this happen and where and for what reason?It happened for 8 years and was regularly talked about, on this board. You’d know if you’d actually paid attention to this conflict and been here.
>>541120846OF COURSE ITS A BETTER DEALTHEY BECOME EVROPEAN FOR THE EVROPEAN PERSPECTIVE WITH ALL THAT EU MEMBERSHIP ENTAILS CHEAP ENERGY ISNT EVERYTHING VLADIMIRKHOKHOLS WILL OF SELF DETERMINATION WAS TO BREAK AWAY FROM BEING A PUPPET OF R*SSIA
>>541123129Hmm that sounds bad we should make sure we don't send that guy money and weapons
>>541123157>if we put it in all caps, the goyim will buy it
>muh dumbass kids genocide>no you can't see it because you just can't okay you need to trust us even though we've been lying to the rest of europe for literal centuries
>>541123067>who loves nothing more than seeing ethnic Europeans sacrificed and destroyedRussia can stop this at LITERALLY any time lmao. By not calling on them to stop aggressing, YOU are the one cheering on the deaths of young men, sick faggot. you dont tell someone to surrender to a home invader you fucking freak (well, maybe you do, because you desire to be subjugated lmao)
>>541123157>KHOKHOLS WILL OF SELF DETERMINATION WAS TO BREAK AWAY FROM BEING A PUPPET OF R*SSIAThen why did you need to overthrow their democratically elected leader before you could get them to do it?
>>541122232>at least change your vpn ivanNice try, rabbi
>>541123217>back to pretending Russia is the aggressor after spending the last 20 posts talking about how great civil war islmao
>>541123177reread, im asking about russia. do you feel the same way about those poor young russian men being thrown into a meat grinder? what should they do? vote their way out of their war of aggression when their leader assassinates political opponents? how does that work? going to keep asking until you either answer or i get bored.
>>541123278Yeah that's the point retard - we don't send him money and weapons
>>541123264what? i never said civil war is good or preferable, im telling you its inevitable if a leader is misrepresenting the will of the people and slaughtering dissent. i dont even think most people disagree with this lol
>>541123313yeah but what should they do considering your ethics?
>>541123217> you dont tell someone to surrender to a home invaderThe ethnic Russians of eastern Ukraine don’t want to be a part of Ukraine, which is why they broke off after the 2014 globohomo coup in Ukraine. Why can’t those people have self determination?
>>541123319You literally spent 20 posts saying you NEED to do it lol
>>541123355lmao no country on earth just lets chunks separate from it, you cannot have a union if you allow this.
