How do you even respond to this without sounding mad
>1800browns are so retarded they think european control over africa and the middle east started this early
There is a very easy response to this, but one that modern white supremacists will never accept. They have to admit that colonization is always bad no matter who does it and weather anybody tangibly benefited from it or not. The rule of thumb should be - if you are forcefully imposing a different system of beliefs, environment etc. on other people - you are in the wrong, even if it did lead to the increase of living standards or GDP improvements. Otherwise, you will be leading yourself into an argumentation trap, so to speak, where you yourself are sliding the debate into revolving around terms such as "benefit" that are vague and subjective by nature. Saying colonization improved the subjects means you are opening the gate to any kind of improvement being a justification for meddling into other societies, as long as the one doing it perceives this as beneficial. In that case you cannot claim that feminism, racial equality, gay rights, open borders etc. are a bad thing, because in the eyes of the people supporting them, those actually are the paragons of liberalism, progress and are freeing the target society from the shackles of archaic practices. Same way colonizers claimed any kind of change to the barbaric ways of the colonized were objective improvements. Bottomline - we should all just accept that forcing beliefs upon others is not a good thing and that might be a starting point for finding some kind of understanding. But modern right-wingers are not likely to accept this, because colonization if part of the basis for claiming racial supremacy, so we are not likely to progress too far with that. As always, their egos are more important to them than tangible results. Oh well.
>>541117843>When historic people did bad things in the past, and people today do the same bad things, it's not bad, because the bad people of today have the right to do bad things, because bad things were done to people in history, so the bad things are actually good things (but not when the historic people did it)Leftist logic.
>>541118027>building countries is good>destroying countries is badIt's really not that hard
>>541117843Europeans and Americans fucked up the third world through corruption and weakening democracies and then complain why third worlders seek a better life in the first world.How about shutting down organizations like the IMF that constantly bail out corrupt institutions leaving the debt burden to the populations that were the victims of corruptions while the corrupt politicians who took the loans are then given advisory positions in first world institutions?
>>541117843Heil Hitler
>>541117933>It would make more if not for a fact that Whites did indeed leave most of their colonies and let them govern on their ownThis.Plus all the invested infrastructure and continuous development.If it wasn't for the misguided third-worldist rebellions and tribal politics, plus the tribal mentality where everyone outside the tribe is a mark to be taken advantage of, most of these countries would be far more developed than the west. They are simply unable to transition past their current culture and mentality.
how many white people are currently in Africa, India and the Middle East? How many white people migrated to these areas to have an impact of the current demographics of these nations? these two simple questions are not just kryptonite to this sort of argument but a complete and utter dismantling of it.
>>541117843RANGE BAN INDIA
>>541117843>White Colonization: Roads, Education, Hygiene practices, ending slavery, ending cannibalism, ending Widow Burning, ending Child Sacrifice, raising IQ and literacy and life expectancy of everyone they interact with, etc.>Brown "Reverse Colonization": Higher crime rates, lower IQ rates, lower literacy rates, less competency in the work force, shitty wages, less housing, rampant murder and sexual assault, the destruction of historical monuments, and the deteriorating of all low trust societies.
>>541118159"Building" and "destroying" are subjective concepts. What is progress to you may be destruction to other cultures. If you want to make any progress within this discourse, you will have to accept that any meddling is bad by nature - you cannot and shouldn't force other people to accept your ways even if you believe this is the better path for them. Otherwise, others would be very much in their right to argue that changing your country in favour of a more liberal society is for your own good as well and would actually constitute "building" your country if not liberating it. With this line of argumentation you lose all the moral rights to be against gender equality, multiculturalism etc. because to people supporting them, they amount to progress and thus should be enforced regardless of your opinion on these novelties. You are essentially trapping yourself in an argumental framework where you cannot prevail due to its foundation being naturally subjecive and up to interpretation.
>>541118323I didn’t do shit. The standards of living are decreasing at an increasing rate even for Americans. I’m sick of this blame game you people play.
>>541117954>>541118027>>1800>browns are so retarded they think european control over africa and the middle east started this earlyYep, also there more white slaves in Africa and Middle East (Turkey etc) then there were black slaves anywhere. Russia literally got an army together 4-5 times once there were enough browns from Turkery etc that raped and pillaged russian villages and town, and sold whites to slavery through Stambul slave markets. Russians got pissed of, got an army, and landed in Stambul literally 4-5 times in the recent history, and hanged raping and slave trader turks .
>>541117843>>541118027meds
>>541118159Colonizer powers didnt really build countries. They set up the minimal infraestructure needed to siphon resources back to the metropolis while enslaving native populations and not allowing natives to get properly educated or reach positions of power. The colonies then become both politically and economically dependent on the metropolis with no hope to ever actually progress, all the while the metropolis enriches itself at the cost of the colony.
And the kicker is after colonization formally ended, the colonizing powers either kept all the resource infraestructure, and keeps siphoning to this day, or imposed hefty reparation fees, with added interest of course, that many colonized nations are still paying to this day.
>>541119190>>541119284>>541118323answer this question please(below):colonization = colonies no colonies e.g no replacement of population = conquering. >>541118518
>>541117843It wasn't the governments (if you could even claim they had such a thing) of the 3rd world encouraging colonization. Imagine if the west allowed it's citizenry to take up arms and defend their nations with violent force. The browns "colonizing" the west is just a symptom of hostile government turning on it's citizens, not a 1:1 fight based on racial superiority. There are like 10 consecutive fronts within each western nation which are currently suppressing whites, the brown invasion being just one.
>>541118518>how many white people are currently in Africa, India and the Middle East?How many white owned corporations are currently in Africa, India and the Middle East? A lot.>How many white people migrated to these areas to have an impact of the current demographics of these nations?Back during colonization? Look at the US, look at Argentina, look at Australia, look at South Africa not even 50 years ago.These are pretty retarded questions anon.
>>541119190Exactly. Africa during colonial rule was just as bad as it is today, except for a few places colonizers built for themselves to govern their holdings from. Those nice photos of African towns during colonial rule that get posted here were designed for less than 1% of the population to live in, mostly colonizers themselves, the rest were living in slums or primitive villages. Same with other kinds of infrastructure, such as railroads - their sole purpose was to accommodate the extraction of resources to Europe and was never meant for the locals to use or prosper from. No matter what nice things they say, colonizers never intend to actually increase the living standards of the colonized population, unless they have a specific need for that, which they rarely do. It is quite telling that in almost all of the places Europeans colonized life expectancy remained at catastrophic levels and started to improve slowly only when they left. That does not mean they were artificially keeping it down, of course, but they surely had no intention of doing anything to correct this. Not to mention that under colonial rule they would be the first ones to get sent to the front in case some German king decided to start another pointless war with the French Republic over some border village. There is a good reason why nobody wants to be a subject to a foreign entity. They never act in your best interest.
>>541117843The difference is we invaded and colonized by force but the shitskins are here today because they were let into the gates by traitors. I don't hate the shitskins. I hate the traitor. The traitors get the sword first, then the browns if they do not leave. When when we pass laws preventing the shitskins from working and living here, they will leave. But the godless traitor, possessed by greed, lust, and evil? He must face justice before all others, and the most extreme punishment of all.
What's with the faggy Russian avatarfag
>>541119626>How many white owned corporations are currently in Africa, India and the Middle East? A lot.How can that be compared with the ethnic replacement of europe?>Back during colonization? Look at the US, look at Argentina, look at Australia, look at South Africa not even 50 years ago.These are pretty retarded questions anon.What does that have to do with africans/indians and arabs replacing ethnic Europeans...in Europe. Also Afrikaans were always the minority in South Africa. Less than 20% of the population was and is white. Australia there are more aboriginals than ever. Same can be said for North America, unless you truly believe that hunter gatherers could ever be in the tens of millions let alone a million before even entering the bronze age. Also Central and South Americans are mostly mixed indios. So you have no points, nothing really other than "muh wypipo corpos".
>>541117843no, it's a ploy to get fascists and conservatives more powerful for culture wars, because of wars started by capitalists for the purpose of regional instability>>541118119>strawman and misrepresent whoever i disagree with>blame people trying to escape violence and economic instability instead of the sources of violence and economic instabilityright wing logic
>>541117843At no point did millions of white people go over and perform a complete replacement of the native populations.Also, their so called revenge is starving to death once the gibs stop.
>>541117954>>541117843Here is the gift of civilizationdid someone say gibs? gibsmedat gibsmedat I just raped into existence 100k more gibsmedat babies
>>541118119>Elect and protect pedophiles.Right winger logic.
>>541117843look up the history of CIA regime change, proxy militias, false flags, invasions, economic hitmen and school of the americasthe biggest reason there weren't revolutions before karl marx and more successful revolutions from 1848 onward is because the ruling class and monarchs of europe knew they had to send as many poor and working class people as possible away to somewhere else rather than improve the material conditions of the masses
>>5411188523% of people in Hong Kong have a negative opinion of ColonialismObviously it was fantastic soft-power for BritainBuryats basically worship Russia and fought and died at higher rates (albeit very slightly) than actual Russians in WW2 despite their homeland being well behind the frontlinesObviously soft power, colonies, influence, etc. are downstream of being successful and powerful and being weak invites aggression against youBaltoids were subsidized to the tunes of many billions and always took more than they contributed to the Union (as did every single other country except Russia and Belarus). Did it buy loyalty? NO. Power does and the US is obviously far more powerful. Young Kazakhs hate Russia while a slim majority of Boomers have a favorable opinion. Was never worth giving these people money so they could breed out of control. Failed politics and grievance is just the natural outgrowth for failure tributary nations unless there is a closer, more imminent, larger mutual threat (see: Serbia, or Japan/SK and American relations, Armenian relations before Russia's weakness and Pro-US liberal soft-power coup).NEVER surrender the narrative to people who hate you, they will only find a different, less plausible excuse for imbeciles like you to continue begging mercy before them
>>541120052No, you're absolutely punishing people who had nothing to do with it out of perceived grievances for colonization. Colonization is why you have technology, medicine, etc... But, for some reason you want to believe it was bad and evil. That's fine, but it's also a long time ago and two wrongs don't make a right as you'll see when your quality of life goes into the toilet with reverse colonization.
>>541117843Respond to this negro:Colonization brought Civilizationhygiene, roads, literacy.Currently reverse colonialism is reversing Civilization globally, so reverse colonialism is reversing the benefits of colonialism and returning to slave labor and living like trash, it is the end of the Enlightment. Riddle me this nigger.
>>541120412>you want to believe it was bad and evilIt wasn't.Not everyone can be winners and White people are the nicest and most individualistic culture.If it was anyone else they would have all been killed.Being nice to outgroups doesn't get you anywhere.Lesson learned.Be strong and stop moping at the Black man's feet.
>>541118027Stopped at "there is a very easy response" which is TRVKE,well said, easy responses truly exist
>>541119190literally every colony holding landmass had a lead start against non colony holding landmasses you retarded nigger
>>541117843It's just that we're being held back by our governments, who protect the scum. If not for that, I could clean up a whole neighbourhood of these shitters with just a few other lads.
>>541117843>sexual tourismI respond by being horny
>>541119834>less than 1%no shit. do you know how big that of an increase in population having civilization was you idiot? no. because you still live like a nigger.
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Everyone here is wrong and stupid lmao. The average white peasant serf (who are 100% of /pol/ as well) didn’t benefit jack shit from colonialism. Sure they used it to build some infrastructure for them but thats allColonialism was enjoyed by the eliteAnd I’ll tell you something even more important It was equally as enjoyed by the elites of THE COLONIZED countries as well. It was a two to tango type mission. The serf peasants are irrelevant and were irrelevant in the past, and today’s equivalent who are sitting here typing on 4chan are equally just as irrelevant
>>541117843I heard that immigrants from OP pic are also in Poland? Did Poland colonize them?
>>541120226I reckon we are essentially talking about different things here. I am not reasoning from the moral perspective, since it is obvious that these arguments are not going to work on most people on this board - "might makes right" and so on. So, my point does not boil down to "colonialism was bad because it hurt the locals", although this is largely true. I am saying that admitting that it was a bad practice effectively invalidates the narrative of colonization being a net benefit to the targets, which logically justifies any kind of progressive amendments being enforced on white countries today. So, in essence it does not translate to victims of colonization having carte blanche for doing anything they want in revenge, but instead that two wrongs do not make a right and whites making mistakes in the past does not justify the same being done to them now.
>>541120955>Everyone here is wrong and stupid lmao.Typical commie take.
>>541121389>I am saying that admitting that it was a bad practice effectively invalidates the narrative of colonization being a net benefit to the targets, which logically justifies any kind of progressive amendments being enforced on white countries todayThey're just gonna argue semantics and say that what's happening in white countries isn't colonialism, just people looking for a better life and sheeit.If you think you can debate these sand nigger lovers and they'll just be like >oh wow anon, that's a fair point, I guess I'll help you stop immigration now... then I got a bridge to sell youDebating is pretty useless in general. The only similar productive endeavour is to do some catchy propaganda that will convince/mobilize people who are 'on the fence'. Those already entrenched in a position(such as white people crying about the poor colonized brownies) should just be put to the sword, there's no converting them.
