here's the most honest take on the Ukraine war1. HISTORYfor over 500+ years Poland and Lithuania separately (as well as part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth) invaded Russia multiple times, and fought many wars against Russia/Muscovy over the control of the region, which is today known as "Ukraine"2. MAIDANthe main sponsors of the EaP project in 2009 (which resulted in Maidan revolution) were Poland and Lithuania (you can look it up, ask Grok, Gemini, ChatGPT, it will say the main sponsors were Poland and Lithuania + Sweden)3. REVANCHISMPoland/Lithuania joined EU and NATO with the primary incentive to be "protected" by them from Russia. But then they built their entire foreign policy on using EU and NATO mechanisms to oppose Russia.- Lithuania blocked gas transit from Russia to Germany (2006+)- Yanukovich had to go to Lithuania to announce his rejection of EU integration.- Poland was involved in an celebrated destruction of Nord Stream.- Lithuania helped and celebrated anti-Lukashenko revolt in 2020.- Poland today houses anti-Belarus opposition.- Poland today is the main supplier of weapons to Ukraine against Russia.- Poland and Lithuania+Estoania are actively calling for pre-emptive strikes against Russia in Kaliningrad.4. UKRAINIAN INDEPENDENCE if you read history books, you'll know that people of the region known today as "Ukraine" fought for centuries not only against Russia, but also against Poland and Lithuania.5. IDEOLOGICAL EXTREMISMthe involvement of UK, EU, USA in the Ukrainian war is entirely driven by ideological incentive (ex: End of History, Cosmopolitanism, Neo-Functionalism) and have absolutely nothing to do with the real interests/needs of European people, or European security.For those saying the war was sparked by CIA/Mi6 - you're right, but those 2 organisations themselves have no idea why they did it.
>>541121476how about a dead z-nigger?
>>541121476You must go back
>>541121476Why are there so much jews in those countries?
>>541121476Z
>>541121476TZD, TKD, TND, TCD, TID
>>541121476Finally someone who understands. It sounds mostly right. Thanks for this post, anon. Except this part:>if you read history books, you'll know that people of the region known today as "Ukraine" fought for centuries not only against Russia,That's not true because they are Russians themselves. All Ukrainian culture and identity comes from Russia. People who opposed Russia were like Mazepa and Khmelnitsky, both of whom were traitors. Mazepa betrayed Peter the Great, allied with the invading Swedes and up escaping and dying in the fucking Ottoman Empire. Most of the Cossacks remained loyal to the Czar.
>>541121476Canada did more to overthrow Yanukovych than any of the meme countries you just mentioned.
>>541121476yeah fag and who coerced them to do it ? CIA and its appendicies USAID / NED on behalf of national interest of the states who wanted to prtevent Europe becoming energy independent from them and prevent europe from becoming one unit eventually siding with russia and becoming the greadest nation on earth, merging the EU with the RF why do you keep this out ? poland and lithuania SEETHED about germany doing the NS2 Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania collected transit tax for gas flowing through soviet pipelines from russia through their countries to germany with NS2 these income sources would be gone thats what motivated them to do the idiot moves the fags who did it are long replaced with other sockpuppet cokeheads the eu retards got baited with the attempt to sack the "contested" but generally neutral ukraine and add it to their collection of post soviet sattelites also idiots who got baited by the transatlantic traitor network (also cia controlled ) baseline this war especially but of course the NS2 bombing was orchestrated and executed by the USA the ally, so great, if you have it you dont have the need for enemies anymore its so fucking tiresome the corruption is so bad FUCK
>>541124536>yeah fag and who coerced them to do it ? CIA and its appendicies USAID / NEDnobody needs to coerce Lithuania/Poland into suicidal kamikaze politics against Russia. They've been doing it before USA even existed.
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>>541124705why do NAFO fags always begin to invent words that have never been said, once they lose the argument
>>541121476I don't get your point, my baltic retard friend. Lithiania was fighting Poland too, remember? You're talking as if you two are some scheming butt-buddies always together ganging up on poor Russia and BeloniggersWILNO JEST POLAND
>>541121476And of course, this honest take conveniently doesn't mention the Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic, the Polish People's Republic, the Warsaw Pact. When the Western Europe was destroyed by the war and the USSR had enough resources to be friends with him.
>>541121476>Their influence GOOD!>Our influence BAD!lol get fucked
>>541125204>the Western Europe was destroyed by the war and the USSR had enough resources to be friends with him.what are you blathering about, you retarded pidor? The USSR suffered famines that killed between 1-2 million people in 1946-47, right after the war. At the same time, Western Europe, West Germany in particular, received massive aid through the Marshall Plan, which bloodthirsty Stalin rejected, subjecting his own people to starvation and a much harder reconstruction for over a decade. The soviets forced Eastern European countries to reject the Marshall plan as well. The only reason Eastern Europe became part of USSR sphere of influence was the occupation by the soviet army.
>>541125138What the fuck is with them claiming everything is Poland though? They took over what we now call Western Ukraine (Ruthenians then) and kicked them out of their own cities. Lvov was founded by a Rus prince. They claim it's a Polish city? The fuck is up with that?
>>541127951It was part of the PLC for a few hundred years. A lot of Ruthenian nobles chose to polonize in order to get ahead.
thats a lot of cope for russians still dying in the east donbas 5 years later
>>541129520So therefore Poland is the problem and sought to erase the ethnic identity of the Ruthenians, got it.
>>541121476So we will continue to enjoy dead slavniggers?
>>541129996Ethnicity is not that simple. You can't point to a specific point in history, say "this is what these guys REALLY are, and have ALWAYS been" and call it a day. Why would the oldest guys we know of be special and not the guys that came before them? What if modern ethnicities were not formed at the time either (like it is 99% of the time)? What if it was a continuous spectrum of ethnicities and not set-in-stone nations like today? What if those people did not think on terms of ethnicity and just took on customs as they saw fit? What if awareness of a larger ethnicity would not crystallize until 800 years later? Poles consider Mickiewicz Polish, Belarussians - Belarussian, and he writes "Lithuania, my fatherland". It's always a fucking mess and you can't escape it.
>>541121759Do you think doing this gross demonic act of luxuriating in human suffering and horror, means you will magickally win?You are retarded, it only seeps what is left of your soul out of your body, to allow for more demons to fill you up, like cocks up you arse. I bet you are a Kike. Fucking demons.
>how can I insert Shituania into this?
>>541121476>"here's the most honest take">Recites pure Russian propaganda.cool story bro
>>541130425I know you’re a low IQ polish monkey but there’s literally a concept in anthropology called “ethnogenesis” that answers your stupid question, Tadeusz
>>541131866Will you bring anything to the table or just seethe about Russia, buckbroken tranny?
>>541132039There is. The retarded mutt's take is not it.
>>541132564Argument, fudgepacker?
>>541132062Why would I seethe about Russia in response to you and OP seething about Poland buckbroken tranny?
>>541127614>Stalin rejected aidRussia finished paying the lend-lease to the US in 2005. Nothing is free, you retarded burger.
>>541121476I don't care, I want Russians dead.
>>541127951Hohol niggers are still squatting on eastern lesser Poland with lwów included. It’s a matter of time though. What is holol population now? 18 million?
>>541121476Kill every single zigger and there will be no homosexuality.
>>541130425>Language - East Slavic>Alphabet - Cyrillic, origin: Rus>Religion - Eastern Orthodoxy - origin: Rus>National symbol - Rurikid crest, founding dynasty of Russia>Origin claim of statehood - being RusThe who the what now?
>>541133438Oinkrainian “ethnicity” is a byproduct of XIXth century propaganda and has no basis in reality. Hoinkrainians are peasants that claimed to be the same as whoever was stomping with boots on them.
>>541133438>Religion - Eastern Orthodoxy - origin: RusYou might be retarded.
>>541121476Which means the fairest, most balanced outcome would be to have Ukraine as a neutral state between enemies Poland and Russia. Which is what Putin demanded, but exactly because he demanded it the other side saw it as a maximum demand that he can be backed out of. Putin should have demanded the complete annexation of Ukraine into Russia and then let himself be 'negotiated' down into the neutral state solution, but he was too autistic for this.
>>541121759>can’t refute>bu-but look at this goreLmao stfu kike golem
>>541121476yep americans dindu nothingthey're innocent victims nice vpn agent smith
>>541121476So what kind of dirt did Poland, Lithuania, cia or mi6 has on Putin to foce him to chimp out on Ukraine?
>>541121476Putin is a faggot.
>>541134535>You might be retarded.Why say 'might'people here are called straight-out retards for much smaller thingsYou're talking to some 80 IQ abomination mutt there is no reason to be more polite to subhuman american flags
