Honestly the entire practice of business is just one man owning everything and getting all the profits for himself while all other men get barely livable wages.The entire practice of business is just a soft form of slavery.
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>>541123659Yup
>>541123598Retards think businesses are magical money fountains episode #432095
>>541125438The magic money fountain does exist it is called the central bank, it makes money out of nothing.
>>541123598Inverted communism
>>541123598Your equating earning money with the ability to spend it. Everyone can make money, only one type of person relies on you losing it. Oldest job in the world, lenders, loaners and bankers.
>>541123598Post the one about underaged girls
>>541123598Everybody knows this, but we all pretend we will be that one man someday.
>>541123659You made a thing, congratulations. Who's paying for the R&D, amortization, accountants, marketing and machines? And electricity and water. And supply of raw materials? And building/renting the production facility? Your value is only your work. The value of the actual product is all the other expenses added to it.
>>541123659So you deserve more than the guy who mortgaged his house or cashed in his retirement to start a business and has to work every waking moment of his life to make it profitable?
I was awarded 87k in underpayment after taking my employer to court. This lead to an automatic audit of the companies books and they discovered that one employee was being underpaid for 22 years. Over half a million dollars in underpayment. Another was 10 years of underpayment. However in Australia a worker can only ever claim back 6 years of underpayment, and they have to do the court process themselves. So it doesn't matter that the regulator discovered the underpayment and confirmed it each employee has to do the work themselves and take it to court. The gov changed the law on the 1st of January 2025 and made it so wage theft can be punished with a max 10 year prison sentence. I am pushing to get the guy thrown in prison. I have been battling this for an entire year.Because I have been going through this I have been talking about it openly with friends and family and the tragedy is that everyone has a story about it. Even my doctor told me outright that he gets scammed for his overtime as an ER doctor. Every part of Australia is festering with the exploitation of workers. And our unions got fucked hard. Imagine how bad it would have been before the internet.
>>541123598Neat isn’t it?
>>541126808>communism what lmao
>>541126870Capitalism is communism with bells and whistles Go home davika
>>541126408>>541126628>r&d>mortgaging homes to start a businessThis is not normal for any business. These cases are the extreme minority. Nobody is doing R&D in service jobs.
The truly sad part is that the guy who was underpaid for 22 years genuinely believed his employer was his friend. This guy missed so many important aspects of his daughters life because he worked 12 hours per day 6 days per week.
>>541123598Henry Ford wanted to stop this but Jews made it illegal to go against shareholder value and leftist retards have labeled Henry Ford as an evil capitalist
I don't see it as a communism vs capitalism problem. It's immoral business owners vs moral business owners. Unfortunately a lot of the boomers in business have transitioned to taking advantage of the youth. This is why men in their 40s and above struggle to find work, business owners know they cannot exploit the old guys so they are fucked.
>>541123598Why not use the original picture instead of this ugly slop?
it aint like that anymore. both the worker and the company are taxed upwards of 70% to uuh... pay for welfare, EBT, shitskins in prison, foreign aid to create more shitskins, kikes..
>>541123598If running a business was this simple, retards like you would run one.
>>541126759How does this worl? You agreed to work for 100 dollary doos an hour and they only gave you 80 dollary doos?
>>541123598Replace Business owner with government and you have Communism
>>541129252average American "business owner":only employs illegals or immigrants who will work for dogshit wagesproclaims himself master of the universe for being such a sound businessman
>>541126408>everything is manufacturing and real estateYou want to try again without looking like a big stupid nigger?
You are supposed to drain the water from the rich man via his urine. Eventually this will give you enough strength to construct your own couch, which you can then place next to a different spout.>and the cycle of life goes on
>>541129275They lied about the award to justify lower wages and never paid overtime.
>>54112939780% of business owners in the US have 1 or 0 employees.
>>541129538That fat man drank a lot of piss to get where he is.If you were serious, you would be drinking piss too.
>>541123598>business owner>profitthey have no idea how bad it is out here
>>541126408>Who's paying for the R&D, amortization, accountants, marketing and machines? And electricity and water. And supply of raw materials? And building/renting the production facility?The worker.Or the owner magically creates money?Is that you mean? The owner says ABRA KADABRA! and money flows to pay the bills or the worker makes the money for him?
>>541123598Why even bother making an ai version? It adds nothing Do you (or whoever gen’ed it) want people to think you made the metaphor?
>>541126408Workers do all those things, with their own labour
>>541125438Right? I have a small business, I pay fair wages. We pay taxes, we pay commercial rates. I haven't made much of a profit since covid, but the wage I pay myself pays the mortgage, and we haven't gone bust like some of our competitors. I think a lot of people conflate all business owners with corporate entities, they are not the same. Corporations by definition only care about $. Independent small business can be very different.
Imagine how easy it would have been to scam workers before the internet.
>>541129728You got into the wrong business. I inseminate queen bees. I am the founder and sole employee of my business. Less than 10k startup cost and I am in the profit after only 3 months.
>>541129671They want to avoid having to pay a worker a licensing fee by using ai slop for their messaging. Hypocrisy is the defining trait of the far left.
>>541123598In multicultural society it's slaver, in homogeneous society, the workers have collective bargaining power due to the fact they are kin and want to work together
Also large corporations are always better than small family businesses. It is the family business that will scam the fuck out of you. That's what happened to me. Large corporations always paid me correctly.If you are not part of the family do not work for a family business.
>>541129830Objectively true.This ALSO applies to liberal democracies where retards like you believe your "vote" matters.
>>541129878This is cope, it was your "kin" that sold you out to the brown hordes
>>541129903This depends. Small companies have a lot of overlook in comparison. I worked for both kinds and I prefer small companies.
roles should be reversed, business owners are making below minimum wage profits its fucked out there
>>541130014It's going to be vastly different in our countries. Not really comparable.
>>541129927That's why Europe has no democracies
>>541129970firstly that is a nonsequitur deflection from the point, second of all no it wasn't it was international powers (jews). The existence of kin relationships and kin preferences does not imply some nonsense whatever you're thinking that people can't be bought.
>>541123598yeah you got to get equity, it motivates you to increase shareholder value so your interest and the board's aligns. Didn't Ford do that? My company did it with core staff.
>>541130097Your vote doesn't matter too
>>541129970He’s right you know. Commies are a joke today because the workers have zero bargaining power anywhere in the west. This is because the value of their labor has been reduced to nothing by the twin pillars of automation and endless cheap labor via mass migration. You cant want free stuff from the evil rich all day long but the pre conditions for proletariat power do not exist anymore. Largely thanks to the left its lf.
>>541126408>Who's paying for the R&D, amortization, accountants, marketing and machines? And electricity and water. And supply of raw materials? And building/renting the production facility?Ultimately the state whether through loans, subsidies or government contracts.
>>541123598In America and Canada it’s the opposite. Businessman gets nothing employees get everything even when they’re lazy and don’t work.In America being an employee makes you an Epstein King, you’re more evil than Genghis Khan and richer than Alexander the Great
In Australia about 8 years ago the farmers managed to petition the government to open a new type of visa for foreign workers and pay them below minimum wage. I used to manage these guys on a vineyard. They did not speak english and I could only communicate with them through a translator. And we had to teach them not to walk infront of cars. I dont know what backwards ass country they came from but they had never seen roads or cars before and would walk out in front of them.So yes, Australian farmers sold out Australia to the mystery meats.
>>541130141Projection
>>541130111Blaming it all on kikes is cope. Whites had a huge role in selling your country out, they did it because it helped them get richer, not out of some mind spell
>>541130224They literally didn’t sell out Australia they kept Australian people fed
>>541123598Yes but there's actually a solution for it too
>>541130241Ok whatever i grant you your stupid nonsense for the sake of argument. It's still a deflection from the point. Kin relationship still gives the workers bargaining power since they have a common interest
>>541130300Australian produce is not sold in Australia. Australians cannot afford to eat Australian made produce. You have no idea kek. It goes to rich countries (not Australia).
I have seen blueberries the size of a golf ball. They get shipped straight to China and Gulf nations. Australians cannot afford it.
>>541129903>>541130014i'm more of a midsize kind of guy (when i'm not trying to operate my own business). small enough for autonomy and flexibility in roles, but large enough to demonstrate stable and meaningful distribution channels and thus security.
>>541130347That raises exports meaning it boosts the AUD and makes you richer
>>541123598>create business>develop a plan that actually worked out>risk your own capital>spend a lot of your time developing and growing it>hire people to do a job>”muh why don’t we own all the revenue? I’m answering emails all the day and market salary is the best I can get away with? Not fair!”I kinda get it why kikes sees most people as a retarded cattle. You’re dumb, lazy and useless.
>>541130431>he thinks the average citizen benefits at all from the import of cheaper labor and the export of its products
>>541130431Farming is 11% of the economy the AUD is tied to iron ore. Agricultural is irrelevant. Taiwan and Singapore don't need farmers they produce complex chips.
>>541130230What do you mean projection? I'm know my vote doesn't matter for things I actually care. Same as you. Immigration is a great example. In all western countries curtailing immigration is a widely popular position for decades, several parties were elected on that promise, yet they betrayed the voters and increased immigration. You have Trump as a good recent example, he got elected under explicit promises for no new wars, tackle the cost of living crisis and decrease debt. He betrayed the voters on all these promises. Same thing here, labour and national always betray their voters
>>541123598You're free to start your own business and make all the profit
For some reason boomer still believe that a country needs to be 100% food secure. Completely ignoring what Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong did in the space of 40 years.Australians are too dump to even produce a transistor.
Poojeet thread
>>541123598Yes. So start a business and stop being a retarded wagie begging for scraps at his master’s table.
>>541130514>>541130523Lowering the cost of production raises net production, farmers exporting more shit for cheaper brings in more value to Australia which indirectly benefits every citizen>farming isn’t big iron ore isWell then the impact is marginal, but it’s still an overall positive, what’s the issue?
>>541130447perfect NPC response, the flag is just the cherry on top KEK
>>541123659>>541123727no. if you want to share in the risk, then become a partner by owning shares. that's what stock compensation is. thats also what co-ops do. its funny how employees often whine about not getting a high enough percentage of the profit, but when the company they work for fails and goes bankrupt and the owner loses money, i never hear them saying they should pay back their salaries.
>>541130342If your wealth comes from salary you have certain interests, if your wealth comes from owning assets, your interests are far different. Ethnic and racial kin bounds are more fickle than you think. It was our own kin who sold us out and betrayed us
Nobody has any idea how badly Australia will collapse in the next 20 years. There will be bread lines. Farmers will have to shoot thousands of starving people.
>>541130630You’re just uneducated and don’t understand economics
>>541130618>>541130673Read the screenshots. Australia will descend into a bloodbath.
>>541130691lolol of course my nigga
>>541130631I agree but you can’t just buy shares in your company you have to rise to partner. I offered my boss $50k for a very small % of the company (equivilent yield would be 2% so I’d make $2k a year of company profits for it) and he said fuck off lol
>>541130739Sure buddy sure it’s everyone’s fault but yours
>>541130631Why should workers pay back their contractual earned wages when a company goes bust? Owners don't have to liquidate their personal assets if a company goes bankrupt. Learn what a limited liability company is, retard
>>541130630Perhaps I’m an NPC, who knows, but not going to bother myself with opinion of some gibs-devouring turk. If you will ever start some business, you will see the other side of the coin. Being underpaid for honest work is one thing, but demanding more for contributing your nutsack sweat is different. You’re either young and edgy or retarded
>>541130799what are you talking about, fault of what? Just reveal your flag already so I can kek some more
>>541125531Amazing how this game still works today; enslaving billions.
>>541130691Do you actually understand more than picrel?
>>541130835The owner loses what he invested learn economics if meta went bankrupt zuckerbergs would lose so much
>>541130799>>541130873
>>541130691>if we just use slaves we can save on our operating costNah its more like you're a fucking retard who thinks scamming and fucking people over is just smart
>>541123727fat lipped nigger.
>>541130883Sure, but the other poster said workers should lose their personal assets when the company they work for goes bust. I was just trying to see what his logic is
>>541130883>if meta went bankrupt zuckerbergs would lose so much
>>541130929>we should have an elite class of workers that are paid more than Bezos and cause hyperinflation
>>541127591Kojève said Henry Ford was "the one great authentic Marxist of the twentieth century"
>>541130181The richest people in the world right now make all their money by owning things. There is an exponentially growing ball of assets and stocks owned by these wealthy people. This is not good for the velocity of money this is not good for the economy it NEEDS to change.
>>541130662it doesn't matter if it's more fickle than this or less fickle than that... it's a question of striking a balance within a society. When you allow mass migration, you disrupt that balance
>>541131070>government funding should be used to create private monopolies which are then allowed to influence the state in ways that go against the interests of its citizens
>>541131278It was the business owners in a unholy alliance with anti white sections of society that brought the immigrant horses. One could not do it without the other. It will always be in the business owners interests to have mass migration. As long as they exist and have power, immigration will exist.
>>541130772a huge percentage of people work for public companies, memeflag. how many employees do you think work ar john deere, google, apple, nike, exxon, chevron, ford, gm, p&g, pfizer, lennar, amc, home depot, visa, and about 5000 other publicly listed companies. its tens of millions. of youre a big faggot whining about profit sharing, work for one of those and buy stock and/or get stock comp. then you get the same profit percentage as all shareholders (at least) and can vote at shareholder and employee meetings.
>>541131396The commies making the OP are the primary source lf immigrants dude
>>541130581Naive
>>541130673>have an exit visa in my back pocket via marriage>its australia>her family is all in PerthIt always struck me as odd that australia has iron ore AND energy but doesnt put the two together to sell steel
>>541131396Again, that is a deflection from the point. You keep just moving the conversation backward to a stupid point i already granted you for sake of argument. It's already granted. >Le big bad white business rich man caused immigration. Not true in reality, but let's grant it. Even so mass migration decreased the bargaining power of the working class. Your shitbrain commie handbook cannot address the point here
>>541131453Communist Eastern Europe were ethno states until the fall of Soviet Union. Now that they are capitalist liberal democracies they are mass importing browns. Communists in the west have been powerless since WW2. They were never the ones who could make decisions
>>541131561>Even so mass migration decreased the bargaining power of the working class.And that is exactly why business owners like immigration. You are agreeing with me. They only benefit from mass migration. They can insulate themselves in their complexes and not deal with the migration negatives. It is us who have to deal with the consequences, both social and labor.
>>541130835dear idiot,i rent a storefront for $5k a month selling my artwork. i pay an employee $4k a month to help me run the shop. turns out people dont like my art and i only have $20k in sales for the year, and i spent $108k in rent and wages. you can limited liability my asshole. that's how most businesses go. in this scenario, what does the employee owe me? so then why would i owe him more than his agreed-upon wage if id sold 200k of my art?
>>541131686>And that is exactly why business owners like immigration.>because it decreases the bargaining power of the working class. Ok so after 5 posts of usless commie horseshit, you've spun around and come back to agreeing with my original point:>>541129878>In multicultural society it's slaver, in homogeneous society, the workers have collective bargaining power due to the fact they are kin and want to work together
>>541131590The people importing browns are the left wing commies. Historically capitalism caused seethe and gnashing of teeth with commie types because it meant colonization and subjugating foreign lands and turning them white. Part of the reason capitalists are on the side of immigration is because they aren't allowed to do that anymore, thanks to the hippie dippie leftist retards
>>541131980>The people importing browns are the left wing commiesWho's employing them?
>>541131775>i rent a storefront for $5k a month selling my artworkWow totally the same thing as John Deers shareholders. Please kys
>>541123659>>541123598This makes poltrannies seethe but it is true. Additionally, the safest form of capitalism is rent extraction, which is indisputably parasitic to an economy. As we see in the modern day, companies which traditionally manufactured things and sold then to people now want people to rent them. You will own nothing and be happy, remember? Klaus Schwab is an arch-capitalist describing the capitalist utopia. The poltroons who cope by calling him a commie are delulu.
>>541131775You clearly never opened up a business (I did). Your personal assets and business assets are separate. If a business, depending on how it is structured of course, goes bankrupt, only the business assets will get liquidated. If you invested all your personal assets into it, then yes you will lose everything. The point is, business owner personal assets are not liable to be used to pay debts in case of bankruptcy, why should workers personal assets be liable? Why is it the employee fault if the owner keeps insisting on a dead business?
>>541126871This is objectively false as proven by history. In the Soviet Union the highest paid people in the entire country only earnt 5x minimum wage, and people would rise form the factory floor to top positions in the state. It was a problem actually, because too many brutish working class idiots got to positions of power.In the west the disparity is a thousand times greater, and I'd you do any digging at all you find that the wealthy of today come from families which have been wealthy for hundreds or even thousands of years. There is little social mobility.
>>541131828But it was homogeneous societies who decided it was a good idea to import browns. It was a small part of society, in fact, who decided for everyone.
>>541131980So why did literal socialist/communist states ruled by USSR maintain their ethnic homogeneity, while capitalist states did not?
>>541132405i agree it was a small part of society. The point being that communist should be pushing for racial homogeneity and strong border protections for the sake of workers.But in reality, they do the opposite. There's no substantial leftist opposition to immigration anywhere, yet they say it is the big capitalists doing it. Why aren't you opposing it then if you are supposedly against the capitalists.
>>541129816You’re out of a job and on the streets when queen bees come pre inseminated
>>541132591>But in reality, they do the oppositeLooking at historical and current socialist/communist states, they actually do. China and North Korea are ethno states. It is basically impossible to get citizenship there unless you are ethnic Chinese or Korean. Even getting long term residency is extremely hard. USSR and Warsaw pact countries maintained and even increased their ethnic homogeneity. For example, communist Bulgaria kicked out hundreds of thousands of Muslims. When they became capitalist after the fall of USSR they invited them back in
>>541132591In practice Soviet Europe and modern China have been the most resistant centers to immigration. 90% of people in the west who claim themselves Marxist are actually liberals ideologically. Woketards, conservatives and anarchists are all ideological liberals. A good litmus test is, if an alleged communist actually hates every communist government which ever succeeded in taking and holding power, then they are 100% a liberal and not a communist.
>>541132828>>541132878>historical historical capitalist states also are ethnostates.I am talking about the political commitments of modern leftists.
>>541126408>MarketingYou mean like when Bud Lite did the tranny campaign and destroyed their brand forever?>R&D Accounting trick. Who do you think is doing the research and design? Employees. There's no special R&D bucket of money.
>>541132591Here's what Marx had to say about the issue.>There's no substantial leftist opposition to immigration anywhereThere's no substantial leftist opposition to anything. The "left" we have today is the outgrowth of the "New Left" of the 1960's that the CIA invested in and promoted.
>>541133037>Here's what Marx had to sayOpinion discarded. 170 year old manuscript has nothing valuable to say
>>541123598the state has replaced the "business owner"
>>541127591>leftist retards have labeled Henry Ford as an evil capitalistDon't forget, he was an LE EVIL NAZI!!!
>>541133037Every serious political person in history has opposed mass migration for obvious reasons. Or reasons that were obvious back then. But what we need to do is cultivate the modern left to understand opposition to brown invader is not a bad thing.
>>541123598No one owes you a "livable wage." You get what you're willing to work for and what the employer is willing to pay.
>>541133112Like 80% of left wing intellectuals are jewish. Over half of democrat voters are not white.You think you can convince them? You can't.
>>541132950I'm not bringing examples from hundreds of years ago, I'm giving you current examples and relatively recent ones. And even when talking about capitalist countries the issues with immigration are older than you might think. The best example is your own, you have been receiving a lot of immigrants since your state got founded. Another one is Britain, they received a enourmous flow of Irish immigrants in the 19th century that caused a lot of controversy. Large scale immigration into capitalist countries is embedded, not a recent thing
>>541132295you pay for the business assets when you start a business, you fucking moron. someone has to front the capital for the LLC. quit pretending that starting a business that then fails (as most do) doesn't result in the business owner losing money. the reward for that risk is keeping all profits (after paying fixed-wage employees). the employee takes no financial risk, and therefore is entitled to none of the upside if the business is successful. thats what this thread is about. if dipshit leftist employees think they should get extra money when the owner does well, they should lose some money when he does badly. but they (and you) always ignore that second part.
>>541131070Inflation is expansion of the money supply, not price increases. Price increases are a result of inflation. Show your jewish flag.
>>541133152>No one owes you a "livable wage." You get what you're willing to work for and what the employer is willing to pay."There's no social contract, we're all just free actors in a free marketplace." This is the mentality that gets you mass immigration.
>>541133222Movement of people related to empire is not a recent thing. it is very old, but that is because of the pressures of empire, not because of 'capitalism'. The US recieved white immigrants on ideological grounds since we had this huge piece of land that was the new world for europeans. That was the idea from the beginning. Nothing to do with capitalism. It was a gift to europe. You're bringing up china and north korea which have nothing to do with the western world
>>541123598Psycho inbred cabalaists run the world it's fucked beyond comprehension
>>541133593It's not just mass immigration in a capitalist sense. They are getting welfare, business loans, priority treatment in the school system, priority treatment in the media. They are getting coddled by all of society. It's not just "capitalists", this is a female impulse to take care of and coddle something. It's coming from the left.If this was actually some sort of dog eat dog capitalist thing, it wouldn't be happening like this.
>>541133362>if dipshit leftist employees think they should get extra money when the owner does well, they should lose some money when he does badly.The owner loses the invested amount. He doesn't lose his personal assets. But I would be down to this. A worker receives a portion of shares when he starts working. If the company goes bust, then yes, he would lose assets. I would sign up for this. And since you don't know much about businesses, in most jurisdictions when a company goes bust there is a order to pay back liabilities. Usually state taxes are first to be paid, then secured loans and only after employee unpaid wages. So yes, many times workers lose personal property when a company they work for goes bust
>>541133763>If this was actually some sort of dog eat dog capitalist thing, it wouldn't be happening like thisWrong. Also if the capitalist system wanst propped up by government the system would collapse.
>>541133639Ireland was part of the British empire for over 500 years before large scale Irish immigration into England became a thing. And it coincided with the capitalist English class taking power from the old elite, the landed gentry. A mere coincidence
>>541133695At least we are at the end now and we all get to die in fire and famine together. I for one am grateful that I wont have to live around evil for much longer, each day, moment by moment, I look towards eternity with more of my vision and spend less time even thinking about this current life.
>>541134046>when there are political tensions running high enough, things that normally aren't allowed to happen, are allowed to happenThat is how it will always be. So what? Not a feature of capitalism, it's a feature of humanity and politics
>>541133959Historically capitalism was heavily associated with colonization. Hence why commies often preach about "decolonizing" x, y, and z
>>541134046>And it coincided with the capitalist English class taking power from the old elite, the landed gentry. A mere coincidenceWho promptly used the empire to furthrr enrich themselves at the expense of British citizens and subjects of the empire.
>>541123598>>541123659Communist filth! You're paid what you're worth! I pay you to make something for me so I can sell it myself! Once you make it and I pay you for the service of making it for me it is my property you thief! If I pay you to make me a sandwich and you give me the sandwich then that sandwich is MY property now! Not yours! Filthy thieving KIKE!
>>541123598I don't get how people continue to insist that capitalism is functional in any form whatsoever when it's been broken and exploited a million times over across hundreds of years, forcing a million different hyper specific laws in an effort to patch those exploits out and yet people just keep discovering more and more ways to abuse the system.
>>541123598>Honestly the entire practice of business is just one man owning everything and getting all the profits for himself while all other men get barely livable wages.Most businesses run a profit margin of 5% or less. The average grocery store runs a profit margin of 2%.You're a retard.If you want to complain about businesses you should actually look at the ones running exploitative profit margins like the pharmaceutical industry.
>>541123598I don't really have a problem with this or rich people in general. The problem is that since 9/11 basically everyone who was already rich wasn't allowed to fail. So the cost of being wealthy or successful should allow for the brutal reality of failure and mistakes. Which has no longer been the case in a long time. They just keep borrowing off of failure. Which is really just a failure in the laws that govern the system.
>>541123598So open your own business instead of fucken whinging about it.
>>541132950Historical capitalist states are not ethnostates. The only way you could think this is if your perception of them is based on wartime propaganda. High white birthrates masked the issue somewhat, but capitalists have been doing mass immigration for the sake of profit for as long as the capitalist clss has been the class with dictatorship over society.
t. people who would change their tune the MOMENT an employee at their company goes on LOA
>>541135522No it seems the opposite from what the other anon is saying. Every time the middle class starts to rise up and overtake the ruling class THEN you see mass migration happening. It's caused by the fact that you have class mobility in capitalism, which the elites don't like and don't want. So your answer is to have a tyrant state where nobody can rise, that just kills all threats to its rule
>>541134714>Most businesses run a profit margin of 5% or less.Kek, no that's completely false. And using groceries as your example is very disingenuous.
>>541135716He is saying the same as me. Mass migration is a effect of capitalism, and has been for several centuries by now. It becomes charged on steroids when the business owning class overtakes the landed gentry. A notable example was southern USA versus northern around your civil war period
>>541136675The gentry are only landed because of capitalism.The elites would have been elites regardless of government system, the difference is under capitalism the gentry have the power to challenge them.
>>541135716>class mobility in capitalismKek the entire point of capitalism is to create a private monopoly guaranteed by the state.
>>541127114One of the most successful, not to mention lucrative, jobs I ever had was started by a dude in his garage with a HELOC and a ton of money from his parents' retirement fund. I'm still technically NDA'd, but what he made landed him a $20 million contract from the government and the bonus I got paid off my house.
>>541129339I've been making six-figures since the early 2000's. I've never once gotten a job from a poor person. Somehow you guys believe this but somehow my pay keeps going up year over year.
>>541136987Source?
>>541136950>The gentry are only landed because of capitalism.>The elites would have been elites regardless of government system, the difference is under capitalism the gentry have the power to challenge them.Source?
>>541136987I would argue that there aren't any real monopolies in the sense that people mean when they use that word. There are just hyper-successful businesses that other companies fail to compete with properly.
>>541136950lmao no, landed gentry as a elite class was the norm in all the world until capitalist business owner and merchants displaced them. The interests of a landed gentry class are far different from the interests of a capitalist business owning class. You fought a bloody civil war over this.
>>541137150Yes, foreigner. Please explain our history to us lol.
>>541123659I don't get it. Why is that one guy who makes all the value just letting some other random bloke come out of nowhere and take all his value from him?
>>541123659At least the artist got the hook nose right
>>541137150Ok name me a landed gentry in the 1800's USA who did not hold his wealth due to capitalism
>>541136950Also you are right that elites will always be elites, but the composition of the elite class, their economic interests and their source of power will produce very different outcomes.
>>541123598OP: >t. Not a business owner or has a single entrepreneurial bone in his bodyPeople don't realize how hard and risky it is to own a business. If you own or run a business, your shift never ends. You're on the clock 24/7.Sure you make a lot of money but you also risked losing it all when you started and the risk of the business collapsing remains even after the business succeeds. It's easy to criticize as a person when that person is either stupid or ignorant
>>541137148They fail to compete with them because of underhanded tactics, not merit.
>>541136950>The gentry are only landed because of capitalism.Landed gentry were a social class in feudalism (which eventually gave rise to capitalism)
>>541137397He's using the term more loosely than that though
>>541137260Plantation owners
>>541137513i'm listening. You're saying the plantation is not a capitalist enterprise?
>>541137148Name one fortune 500 company not receiving some kind of government subsidies/contracts or that would be allowed to completely fail.
>>541137260Although the landed gentry in 19th century America participated in a capitalist economy, their source of power and interests are quite different from a merchant business owner capitalist class. Landed gentry power comes from owning large tracts of productive land. The capitalist class power comes from owning shares in businesses. As the land is limited, it does not require a ever increasing poll of laborers. Businesses do, as they need to expand in order to survive. Landed gentry tends to be more politically and culturally conservative, as change threatens their power, capitalists tend to be more progressive, as cultural and economic barriers decrease profitability and market access. This and many other reasons are why societies dominated by landed gentry tends to be more conservative, like Germany pre WW1, southern states, while capitalist societies are more progressive, like northern states, Britain...
>>541137265I agree that ideally we want our rulers to be from a noble aristocratic tradition, but i also think it's good to have freedom in markets insofar as we're talking about the same race of people. The same nationality. I believe in nationalistic capitalism. Aristocracy is good but you also want markets. And you want people to benefit from benefiting the markets. Those are valuable civilizational engines that aristocrats can't replicate no matter how noble they are.
>>541123598Unironically make your own business, retard.
>>541123598Okay, but the employees should assume some of the startup costs of any successful business they work for.
>>541137942>it's good to have freedom in marketsIf that is your goal, something you aspire to, then it inevitably leads to freedom in the labor market, or in other words, mass immigration.
>>541125699Kek
>>541133362>the employee takes no financial riskOf course he does. For most employees the job is their only source of income, if the business goes under then so does his life. The average employee is under far more risk than the average entrepreneur, and in fact they continue to be at that same risk even if the business is successful.
>>541138251>'inevitably lead to'Only in the sense that every civilization eventually decays into something else and collapses. Everything inevitably leads to everything else. But we should just say what's good, and how do we slow down/impede the bad stuff.
>>541123598It should say CEO instead of Business Owner.There are tons of business owner that are struggling just like everyone else.
>>541137942>we want our rulers to be from a noble aristocratic traditionRight the monarchs are so based. The British are very lucky too have the Windsors. Or the Spanish monarch who just granted 500k niggers Spanish citizenship.Also natitionalistic capitalism is a contradiction.
>>541131270>rich guy invests in that dudes company so he can afford his tea cup machine>gets a cut for risking his money on the guy>NOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT ITS NOT GOOD FOR THE VELOCITY OF MONEY YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME THE MONEY SO I CAN BUY TENDIES
>>541123598Can I get a higher wage, good sir?
>>541139187Such a laughable scenario and totally a dishonest shifting of the issue
>>541126408I hate faggots with this retarded horseshit. To start a business is a few hundred dollars and a couple of emails. Then you pay Mexicans 5 tacos daily and you have a profitable business. There is hardly any fucking risk involved. If the company folds the ""owner"" loses the few hundred dollars and walks free of any debt. Because the company, which is its own entity, is saddled with debt not the shit filled owner.
