How and why did atheism fall so catastrophically?I'm glad it did. But how? Was it a process? Or more a singular event?
>>541125106it never fellwe won the argument and everyone moved on
>>541125106People just aren't open about religion any more
>>541125182Oh congrats.So while I have you, my wife's (she/her) boyfriend (they/his, assigned male at birth) got pregnant from her (she/her). After how many weeks should he (theirs/there's), a birthing person, start taking prenatal vitamins?What does the heckin science say?
>>541125106What proof do you have that it fell so castrophically? If you're referring to how /pol/ nowadays is larping as le epic warriors of Christ, that's just counter culture to muh LGBTroonie woonies.
>>541125306turns out praying the gay away doesnt work and you have to kill buttfuckers with brutal force, sorry to hear about troy and rome and jerusalem and the east india company getting sacked
>>541125106>How and why did atheism fall so catastrophically?Weak men never build anything of value.They usually just sperg out and manage to get a bunch of innocent people killed.Look at every government sponsored genocide in the 20th century.Not the holocaust, the real ones.
>>541125340/Pol/ today is all le pagan warriors of Thor and his wrench moliner or whatever. Where have you been?
>>541125421Okay but the science says mens can get pregnant. So after how many weeks should a birthing person assigned male at birth start taking prenatal vitamins?Is it the same amount of time as a birthing person assigned female at birth?
>>541125106>How and why did atheism fall so catastrophically?but it didnt?People kinda realized that the circumciser god from the abrahamic religions isnt real so they stopped bothering with its silly storys and foreskin rituals.also more white people wake up everyday to the reality that it makes no sense to worship a circumcised brown manlet subhuman from the middle east.so how did atheism fail?
>>541125562its crazy how much christian discourse is just refusing to have dignity
>>541125106Atheism is absence of faith and nature abhors a vacuum. Something will fill it be it wokeness, weird cults, different takes on traditional religions or a return to traditional religion. Whatever takes its place evangelical atheism is dead.*tips fedora*
>>541125106it seems that a fat man on the internet shoved a banana up his ass and that proved the existence of god
>>541125583The good news for you is that there will only be Muslims in your country from now on. I'm sure that fills you with delight.Now please answer the question: my wife's (she/her) boyfriend (they/his, assigned male at birth) got pregnant from her (she/her). After how many weeks should he (theirs/there's), a birthing person, start taking prenatal vitamins?What does the heckin science say?
>>541125106It didn't fail.It became mainstream.
>>541125490Okay so this is what we call gaslighting. There are a few genuine pagans on here who want White people to worship European deities instead of a desert jew god from the middle east. Now can you answer the question of how atheism fell so catastrophically?
>>541125562>Okay but the science says mens can get pregnant.Science was created by catholics tho >>541125306
>>541125182>"we won the argument">Western countries become more secular than ever before>Fags, trannies, furries, plus many other degenerate behaviors becomes more and more commonWow you sure did win. When you watch this webm do you see this as a victory?
>>541125182They won and moved on to greener pastures.
>>541125843Haha how? How am I so good? Having nothing but 1s and 0s on the other side of the planet I can still sniff you people outHow often do you crossdress like your god Thor?
>>541125106New Atheism was just a way to get secular faggots on board with Jewish Zionism
>>541125891And yet the Western governments are still dominated by Christians and majority of the population is still Christian. Oh right right I forgot! That's not REAL CHRISTIANITY. Real Christianity is practiced by a handful of people on 4chan.
That Reddit thread where the users posted pictures of themselves discredited the atheist "movement" a lot, the "Atheism+" was absorbed in to wokeness, and the young edgelords rebelling against their Christian boomer parents grew up. Atheism itself didn't go anywhere, the movement of insufferable faggots pushing it self-destructed though.
>>541125106cus the ones who made their whole personality being an atheist are worst than jews and christcucks, im one myself brah and just ignore them like you would any other person that acts like their better than you etc etc
>>541125998Western governments? Like Western Europe and Scandinavia, where Christianity hasn't been relevant for hundreds of years?
>>541125106Man yearns for the divine. Even if I myself reject Abraham's covenant, I still believe that there is something higher. Also they did kind of fuck themselves by being retardly against one of the only religions that is moderate enough to allow such obnoxious fucks to slander it.
>>541125182LOL
>>541126036this guy gets it
>>541126088
>we did it reddit
>>541125952I accept your concession. You are a dishonest person, typical of Christians. You learned from the best after all.
>>541125106>How and why did atheism fall so catastrophically?Most of them joined the nigger/faggot worship cult that sprang up in Obama's 2nd term. You can't be an atheist and also believe there is a demonic force preventing niggers from not killing each other
>>541125106What's 'incoherent' about atheism?
Cuckstain melty thread.You're fags. You're shabbos.And everyone knows it now.
>>541125182Cope. Gen Z and Gen Alpha are becoming more religious, not less. Rampant atheism is a purely Gen X and Millennial trend.
>>541125106it didn't go away, people just accepted it and it's now the default. all religions are manmade tools of population control exploiting innate human desire for an explanation as to who/what/why/when.
>>541126194It doesn't say that.the fuck are you quoting, dummy?
Pregnant men!
>>541126162Marvel isn't real bro Thor's not real bro sorry :(
>>541126355
>>541126272Whoaaaa :O such euphoria...Let me ask you: my wife's (she/her) boyfriend (they/his, assigned male at birth) got pregnant from her (she/her). After how many weeks should he (theirs/there's), a birthing person, start taking prenatal vitamins?What does the heckin science say?
>>541126382Haha backwards Christians don't think men can get pregnant. I fricking love science!!!!!
>>541126162Damn, they forgot who wazz the REAL JEWSBlack hebrew israelites.Look it up there are people who genuinely subscribe to 'we wuzz jews an shit' even in niggers.
>>541125459real atheists see the world and the universe the same, but it wasnt made by any god, it is nature itself, reddit atheists are faggot libtards
>>541125106Served it's purpose, it made Christianity weaker through the '00s and 10s
>>541125306And all of those sciences would have developed much sooner if the church didn't outlaw them. Da Vinci literally had to do science in secret or else they would kill him
>>541125306>I believe in scienceHow I fucking hate those subhuman
Reddit and a Banana.
>>541125106How did it fail? It's literally the most logical conclusion for this reality (right next to Gnosticism) so people are naturally drawn to it unless they were indoctrinated as kids by crazy parents. Why do cristcucks pretend like anyone cared about their dying cult (something that had already started to be noticed in the 18th century)?
>>541125843Ashkenazi Jews aren’t the Jews of the Bible. The only descendants of Biblical Jews are the Levites who are haplogroup R1a. Ashkenazim are J haplogroup Canaanites, same as Lebanese and Palestinians.
>>541125106Because it's degenerates and Jews. Jews hate Christians and degenerates hate anything that opposes their degeneracy. Normal people avoid degenerates and Jews whenever possible. I know a lot of agnostics but very few atheists.
>>541126463You're right, everyone else is wrong. Keep repeating yourself into the void maybe something will change.
>>541125182Congratulations, you won a sewer pit civilization where nobody is accountable for anything Fucking idiots
>>541125106Atheism is not a thing, it cannot fall.
>>541126659China, niggers and abbos colonized world, then built rockets and flew to the moon around 1000 AD cuz no Christianity. Right, sister?
>>541125340These Christoid posters are Jewish operatives desperately trying to get us back onto the abrahamic plantation
>>541126815>Yea well, why did these non white savages not make advancements?!
>>541125727>I'm sure that fills you with delight.that makes no sense in the context of anything I said.>What does the heckin science say?that has nothing to do with science and is also another product of the religious mentally ill.
>>541126560well said
>>541125670Most white Christians believe basically the exact same things as white atheists do. All this wokeness nonsense is a white people thing, not an atheist thing.
>>541126194Everything, because it rejects the conditions necessary for coherency. Atheists believe that everything came from nothing, and that existence is a matter of random chance. This would mean that truth isn't objective, and that rationality doesn't lead to truth. The only coherent worldview is one which affirms order, cause and effect, and existence based on a firm foundation.
>>541126982>Atheists believe that everything came from nothingthats literally what christcucks/jews believe tho.
>>541125670You have new religions in the west - islam, lgbt, ecologism and even scienscism (but only people with degree who agree with my worldview are experts)
>>541126738SOOOOOOOOO you don't believe in science. Got it.
>>541125106FYI. Christians are inherently dishonest especially on /pol/ They outright state the Bible is lying when it points to the fact their faith is based off jewish mythology, Jesus is ethnically jewish, as is his apostles. Jesus literally HAS to be jewish to complete the prophecies he is said to complete.They will also never counter your arguments. All they do is call you a jew, a jeet, an atheist, or a larpagan. That is it.
>>541125106banana in pooper
>>541127112Jews believe that because Judaism is atheism, Christianity and every other religion teaches that everything comes from a Principal Cause. The Principal Cause could not have come from nothing, because whatever is ontologically first must exist before time, meaning there would never be a point within time at which the Principal Cause did not exist. An atheist cannot acknowledge a Principal Cause, because anything that's ontologically first would also be a creator and the author of natural law, making it a God by definition.
>>541126088religion has been on a steady decline there was a bit of slowdown during the pandemic because zoomers and doomers needed a fairytale to give them hope through the hard times but people will come back to realizing no zombie jew in the sky is gonna come save them
>>541126972The difference between western Atheists and western Christians is a subtle one: they both believe in Platonic supremecy as a means to denote divinity (i.e, only a literally, objectively perfect being deserves godly worship in the way denoted by religions), it's just Christians believe said being exists out there somewhere while Atheists think that idea is too good to be true.At least, the educated Atheists. Most of them are midwits who think because there are no people with superpowers running around that worship is a solved problem, ignoring all the hysteria around cults who are able to cause very real damage to societies regardless on whether their focus of worship can shoot lightning out of its fingers. They honestly believe they can walk up to Jim Jones and say "you are not a god" and that would somehow free his followers from his influence.
>>541126982religious people believe that god snapped his fingers and everything popped into being, atheists believe that theres science behind the universe coming in to existence, we just dont know what that is yet
>>541126982you are rambling and ironically not making any coherent point yourself. I would advice you to actually try to understand the meaning of the words you use, and to examine if what you're claiming actually follows from the premises.
>>541125106idk man only grannies go to church these days
>>541127284>everything comes from a Principal Cause.thats a big unproven assumption.>whatever is ontologically first must exist before timeor the universe is infinite and does not require a first mover.since nowhere in nature we see something coming from nothing this makes more sense than the failed jewish idea of the big bang/creation.also "time" is not some separate magical thing, it is just a measurement of movement.basically jews accepted this big bang "science" because in an infinite universe there is no room for a circumciser jew god.
>>541127284here for instance the word 'ontologically' is totally unnecessary. ontology relates to what is, so saying something 'is ontoloically' is redundant.
>>541127347No, it's quite literally the other way around. Theists believe in cause and effect, and that the world around us is the product of cause and effect. Atheists do not believe in cause and effect, they claim that existence just sprang from non-existence randomly and for no reason. Only theists acknowledge cause and effect, because only theists acknowledge a first cause.
>>541127370>>541127467You aren't an English speaker, or you're functionally illiterate. Nothing I said was incoherent or rambling. Ontology is the study of the order of existence. I said ontologically first, because that's opposed to chronologically first.
If Atheism is technically the "first" religion that most societies are endowed with, why did the greater majority of the world abandon it for belief systems we consider primitive like polytheism? It's not the faith of the thinking man, but the faith of Grug who can't think of anything beyond his own conceptions.
>>541127435>thats a big unproven assumption.It's not an assumption. It's a fact. Wherever there is an effect, there is a cause which precedes it.
>>541125106>How and why did atheism fall so catastrophically?They only ever attacked 1 religion. But there are many more that have started to move in.
>>541127525>just sprang from non-existence randomly and for no reasonthermodynamics actually explain it and its not randomly.its actually thermodynamically inevitable because "life" is just more dissipative structures to dissipate energy.no circumciser jew god or random lottery needed. everything can be explained with non equilibrium thermodynamics, self organization, complexity stacking and gradients.no circumciser jew god needed at any step of this.
>>541127667>It's not an assumptionyes its an assumption. you assume the universe isnt infinite when it clearly is.you have to make this assumption otherwise your penis was mutilated for nothing and your jew god aint real.
>>541127633Natural selection culled the faggots
>>541127705Thermodynamics proves the existence of a Principal Cause, it doesn't refute it. The fact that matter and energy are never truly lost proves that they could not have come from nothing. The same law that prevents something emerging from nothing also prevents something from becoming nothing.
>>541127633>why did the greater majority of the world abandon it for belief systems we consider primitive like polytheismIt only takes ONE charming charlatan/pedo warlord who has 'spoken to the gods' to establish a religion that will hold people hostage for generations. It's bound to happen given enough time
>>541126751Atheists' morality lie in a genuine desire to do good and live in a world that ceases to cause harm.Christians' morality lie in an ancient fairytale where they can be as horrible as they want cause jesus will forgive them anyway. And since all fall short of the glory of god, they can let themselves off the hook every time and never be accountable for their actions. Atheists and Buddhists pay attention to how their actions affect others regardless of intention. Christians just go off a fairytale to tell them what's okay to do. They will always use their ancient schizoid writings to justify harming others even if it causes harm and makes things worse.The majority of niggers and criminals are Christians. Prison is full of Christians. All the rapists flooding white countries are also highly religious. Christians are extremely violent and the Bible, Quran, and Torah is full of violence.
>>541127827>that they could not have come from nothing.you make the assumption again that a "nothing" state exists when it doesnt.the universe didnt have to come from nothing because nothing was never a state it was in.your jew god is still not needed.
>>541125106Anyone got those meme tweets someone did a few years back where Carlin was revived as a 2020s redditor? They were like>It's HER penis, dipshit!etc. Pretty funny.
>>541127799You're assuming that infinite regressions can sustain themselves, which they obviously cannot. There are no assumptions in my argument, whereas yours is based not only on an assumption, but one which is immediately disprovable.
>>541125106Is that Vsauce?
>>541127881>you make the assumption again that a "nothing" state exists when it doesnt.That's the assumption that you've made. Your arguments depends on it. If there's an ontological first, then there is a deity. Your position from the very beginning has been and must be that existence is founded upon non-existence, in order for you to believe that there is no deity.
>>541126707Okay.Quick question: my wife's (she/her) boyfriend (they/his, assigned male at birth) got pregnant from her (she/her). After how many weeks should he (theirs/there's), a birthing person, start taking prenatal vitamins?What does the heckin science say?>>541126728Based. GL All Blacks btw >>541127889He 100% would've been part of it today kek.
>>541127705based
>>541127948George Carlin la
>>541127915the universe is an open system and not a closed one.>>541127973>If there's an ontological firstscience has so far failed for 50+ years to prove the big bang happened.so yes all you have are assumption. meanwhile the infinite universe that doesnt need a circumciser entity is more realistic and backed up by actual science (thermodynamics).sorry but your jew god just doesnt exist.
>>541128090The big bang has nothing to do with ontology. You fundamentally don't understand the topic of this discussion.
>>541125182fpbp. true, based, and real
>>541127705You are fucked in the head if you think that thermodynamics explain biological life. Only time travel can explain scientific origin of life. Currently we have armies of scientists who can create only very elemental blocks of life in laboratories while having enormously more tools and techniques and being able to work in much wider temperature and pressure range than real world. How can something happen randomly and it can't be repeated in controlled enviornment of laboratory? Replication of result is base of scientific theory.
>>541128143the big bang was invented by a christuck priest.of course jews and christcucks jumped on that theory in hopes it could prove their circumciser entity is real but failed to produce any evidence and the data actually shows the opposite (no big bang and universe is infinite).so there is no physical or observable evidence that proves your big bang/creation assumption thus your circumciser foreskin eating jew god aint real.also that you think cosmology has nothing to do with the topic shows you are clueless about the topic.
>>541128434None of that changes the fact that it's not relevant to this discussion. You need to educate yourself.
>>541126229The most illiterate, lowest-performing, brainrotten generation in modern history is becoming religious. Notice a correlation? >picrel
>>541128204>it can't be repeated in controlled enviornment of laboratory?because they dont understand the non equilibrium thermodynamics and the role that electromagnetism plays in this.alao you are kinda making the same mistake here because you think its only a matter of temperature and pressure.
>>541128496its absolutely relevant but because it crushes you and your imaginary circumciser god you try to ignore it.but no problem I accept your concession.
>>541128608>because they dont understand the non equilibrium thermodynamics and the role that electromagnetism plays in this.>alao you are kinda making the same mistake here because you think its only a matter of temperature and pressure.can you do it or is it a word salad?
atheism is on the rise though? like if you think about how old abrahamic religions are and how dominate they were compared to now. its the slow death
>>541126738Okay let me respond to this is in better faithYes, anon. The truth is objective. Don't you think so?
>>541125106Just the same happened to ancap, people just realized how goofy ts is
>>541128685not my problem you cant read good.
>>541126088Wasn't it unofficial quote maker Aalewis?
>>541128822Concession accepted
>>541128642It's not relevant because it's nothing more than the theory that at one point matter and energy were densely packed before expanding. It doesn't even attempt to address where matter or energy came from initially, or where the laws of physics came from. It only addresses the physical, not the immaterial which the physical must be founded upon. The fact that you think it's somehow relevant proves beyond a doubt that you've never read a book on this subject in your entire life.
>>541128915how would that work? I'm not conceding anything just because you are illiterate.it actually means that you conceded because the topic is too complex for you and words too difficult.not really my problem.
>>541127261It's actually not dishonest that Thor isn't real sorry bro :'(
>>541128982yes its relevant because there is zero scientific measurable/observable proof for your first cause.>matter and energy were densely packed before expandingthis was never the case.>where the laws of physics came from.they dont need to come from anywhere.>which the physical must be founded upon.this is also an assumption. you are probably one of these dumb people (usually jews) who think math is the reality and dont understand that math is just a derivative of reality.basically you mistake the map for the mountain.>The fact that you think it's somehow relevant proves that I'm smarter and more educated about the topic than you.I know you are coping and seething hard but your jew god just isnt real and will never be real.
>>541126982>Atheists believe that everything came from nothingNo they don't. What are you basing this on? It seems your initial premise is already incorrect to begin with.>existence is a matter of random chance.What does 'random' even mean? If I had full knowledge of everything could anything be 'random'? If we flip a coin we consider the outcome to be random but that's merely because we don't have access to all the variables and are incapable of calculating them. The way I see it 'random' just means 'outside of our knowledge'. Do you mean something else by it?>This would mean that truth isn't objective, rationality doesn't lead to truthNow you are just playing semantics, truth and objective are quite literally the same thing. The word objective is wholly unnecessary.>The only coherent worldview is one which affirms order, cause and effect, and existence based on a firm foundation.Uhm, yea that's what atheism does by rejecting magical thinking that's highly subjective and based on nothing tangible whatsoever.Seems like you don't understand atheism at all. The error in the first premise is massive.
>>541125106Psyops that rely on self-delusion and lies are limited in scope.Simple as.
>>541127621>I said ontologically first, because that's opposed to chronologically first.>whatever is ontologically first must exist before time>before time>beforestraight up rambling.
>>541128183>true based and real>society is full of women and trannies saying that killing kids is basedYou are the midwittest of midwits.
>>541126560>>541126968Your 'real atheist' doesn't exist, 95% of atheists are reddit liberals. This is also why finland, a very atheist country, is about to import 1.500.000 indians for zero reason when Finland is 91% white- which is a sledgehammer that immediately bumps you down to 70% white.
>>541125106>How and why did atheism fall so catastrophically?Fall from what? As long as there is theism then there will be atheism.
>>541129173A first cause is proved logically, not empirically. You're basing your views on the fallacy of the senses, precisely because you aren't educated at all and don't know the first thing about philosophy. In Platonic terms, you're still chained in the cavern watching shadows and haven't yet learned to discern illusion from reality.
>>541129411>>society is full of women and trannies saying that killing kids is basedLike when the god of the bible commanded it
>>541125106Carlin was an absolute husk of himself after his wife died in the 90's, and my theory is that his nihilism bit was eating him away the more he started to miss her, even though he'd never admit it. It's why he started veering into generic politisperging more than usual, but this was when Bush was ramping-up, so everyone kinda did. Your entire gimmick RE: religion is>DOOD HEAVEN ISN'T REAL AHAHAHA YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO CARE-A-LOT WHEN YOU DIE?as a punchline, so when life leaves you with the punchline of>Well, that's it, BAM - turbocancer, wife's gone forever, you're never seeing her again, no afterlife, no spirit, no nothinghow the fuck do you rationalize that without wanting to die? Most people WANT there to be something after death, and Religion is the most ancient rationalization still around
>>541129496>A first cause is proved logicallyits not logical to ignore the mountain of evidence that disproves your first cause idea and your logic is flawed and it has to be flawed for you because otherwise your circumciser god isnt real.>you're still chained in the cavern watching shadows and haven't yet learned to discern illusion from reality.but thats literally what you do.
>>541129264Atheism rejects cause and effect because it rejects a first cause. There are no errors in my argument, you just aren't thinking about the implications of a primary cause. You can't acknowledge cause and effect unless you also acknowledge a first cause, and you can't acknowledge a first cause unless you also acknowledge a creator. Whatever is ontologically first is also by necessity omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent.
>>541129486I'm well aware, which is also why it's the answer the OP's question.
>>541129496It's your logic that is full of holes dude. If 'god' can be without a first cause then so can the universe itself. You rely on this fallacious mode of thinking where 'god' keeps changing shapes to fit whatever you feel like. 'God' is supposed to mean a conscious creator being not just a vague concept.
>>541127347Atheism has nothing to do with science. Atheism is simply rejecting clearly fictional nonsense that has zero evidence and serves no useful purpose.
>>541129634Atheists believe in cause and effect. We, yes we, do not why there is a universe. There is no contradiction.
>>541125998>That's not real christianityYour entire argument hinges on people calling themselves Christians but does it reflect through their actions and beliefs? We live in a society now where Christians don't even say merry Christmas anymore but instead say happy holidays as to not offend anyone. Does that sound like a society that expresses Christian values?
>>541129634An inherent flaw lurking in your method is:>What if your “obviously correct,” basic, starting point presumption is wrong?
>>541127843Atheism has nothing to do with morality.
>>541129789but it is, the evolutionary theory in itself is atheist
>>541126659>Da Vinci literally had to do science in secret or else they would kill himThe Historical Reality:Human dissection was asanctioned practicein medieval and Renaissance Italy, often growing out of autopsy and embalming requirements. Leonardo performed dissections openly in hospital settings with institutional cooperation.Why do atheists lie so much? And who is the father of lies, ie your father.Also, why are atheists so bloodthirsty, and clearly without any restraint in killing for things they believe in? T. Atheist Soviet Russia.
>>541129779No, the logic I'm presenting to you is flawless. If the universe itself is the first cause, then the universe is God. You just aren't thinking logically.
>>541129860No dummy, atheism is simply the lack if belief in God or gods
>>541125106>carlin was a nihilist I fucking wish. this loser worshipped shitskins before it was mainstream
>>541126982>Atheists believe that everything came from nothingNope.
>>541129860Actually, evolution is required for many types of god to be logically consistent. Consider that god is perfect, but life is deeply flawed and has to be otherwise would be equal to god. But god explicitly creating a flawed creation would go against his perfect nature. Evolution is a logical loophole making it possible for god to create imperfect life, by following strict evolutionary principles.
>>541129914>the logic I'm presenting to you is flawless. nobody here believes you and your logic has way too many flaws.>then the universe is Godits not, the entire concept of "God" is just a placeholder that dumb people use to fill the part where the physics go.
>>541129914>then the universe is GodGod's only property is being "the first cause" then? That's no God at all.
>>541129634You are also rejecting a primary cause by asserting 'god'. You simply assert that 'god' does not need to be caused and the atheist replaces what you call 'god' with 'the universe'. What's different about it is that you are affirming a conscious creator being instead of simply eternity.
>>541129789>Atheism is simply rejecting clearly fictional nonsenseAtheists literally believe everything came from absolute nothing willing itself into existence, all the complex systems that keep organisms alive happened out of chance, and the laws that govern the universe are there just because. Atheism is the most magical thinking of them all.
>>541126982>This would mean that truth isn't objectiveYou're confusing truth with your personal feelings and opinions >and that rationality doesn't lead to truthWho's rationality?
Basically this.If you are going to demand a first cause then your god is not immune.
>>541125106There is something evil about atheism/nihilism, so it‘s good that people reject it
>>5411251061) Athiests have less children if any compared to religious people2) Athiesm and Secularism clearly doesn't stop violence, thereby disproving the claim that religion is the cause of humanity's violence3) Gradualism is clearly false, so Darwinian theory is falling apart. It must be replaced with a new model or the once easy method to suppress religion is gone.4) Athiesm is the new establishment, so now when questioning Athiesm and Liberalism you are shouted down as heretics. In this environment the religions have become adapted to athiest arguments and now are the cool way for youths to rebel against society.5) Its reputation was stained by online discourse. Athiests are now seen as weirdos thanks to reddit cringe posts and the late 2010s woke movements that took things to silly lengths.6) People are now suffering and the reality is that athiesm only survives in a well to do society.When you are poor and desperate you cling to faith inherently.7) mass migration led to a more diverse pool of faiths leading people to many times change sects or religions rather than be an athiest.Faiths like Islam are growing in the west.>There are many more but that is just 7 of the main things that took athiesm from unstoppable tidal wave across the world to receiving pushback in the very places it first grew popular in.
>>541130152>Atheists literally believe everything came from absolute nothing willing itself into existenceIncorrect All you dummies can do is make up one strawman after another
>>541125106I wonder how many atheists became or are troons
>>541125182>>541127339>>541127843>>541128569>it never fell, we won the argument and everyone moved onYour arguments are just "i hate it so i have to kill and delete to validate my temporary dopamine boost." Just suck more Muzzie cock faggot.
>>541125106Atheism won pretty easily but then needed to find a fight other than Christian fundamentalists and Islamic terrorism and decided it was women in star wars movies.
>>541125106"Atheism" in practice in Post Modern Deconstruction, and so it deconstructed itself.
>>541130414>Atheism won pretty easilyDid they? I must have missed that. All I saw was a dismissal and mocking of those who have had spiritual experiences. Can't really describe colors too well to a blind man, you know? It's something you just have to experience for yourself. For some reason, atheists deny such simple logic. They don't have to buy into it, but they deny such possibilities even exist. This makes them stupid and prideful.
>>541130252>Darwinian theory is falling apart.Not really>>541130252>Athiesm is the new establishment, so now when questioning Athiesm and Liberalism you are shouted down as heretics.Where does this happen?>Its reputation was stained by online discourseSame can be said for Christians >athiesm only survives in a well to do society.As anything else >>541130252>mass migrationThank you Christian NGOs>Faiths like Islam are growing in the west.Not really
>>541130152Something at some point had to come from nothing. This is a statement of truth whether you believe in a sky wizard or not.
>>541130550>but they deny such possibilities even exist.What possibilities?
>>541125106
>>541130414>Atheism won pretty easilyYwah fucking right. Maybe 10 years ago when atheists made intelligent criticism about religion but nit these days. It filled with fake atheism, reddit brained arguments and this kind of "pick and choose atheism" is just retardation.
>>541125182FPBP
>>541125106This image doesnt make me mad at all because you didn't even almost describe my position.
>>541130657>FPBPKys Tranny
>>541126382Pregnant virgins!
>why did it fall It stopped being novel. Atheism was popular because it was daring and questioned the status quo. People had lived in a Christian society all their lives and most people believed in God. There was an edge to it, but now atheism is peddled nonstop so it lost its novelty. It also is inherently pathetic. Atheism demands apathy or delusion. You either say nothing matter because everything is just a process and your cognition is a freak accident or you make up some bullshit about why you matter knowing its bullshit. What it leaves you is half men unable to fully connect with life because their logical half can never truly invest.
>>541125106They became laughingstocks
>>541126051>>541126119Atheism created wokeness though
>>541130782Nope
>>541130684Christcuck triggered. You couldn't help it, could you, you little bitch
>>541125106It was never a valid point of view. Agnosticism makes a lot more sense.We have no way of knowing how the universe was created at this point or why, so no honest person can claim "my specific religion is correct based on this holy text written by and maintained by humans" or "its heckin cosmic soup chaos just because"Everything we can observe runs on precise rules though. Its probably a safe bet that some kind of intelligence went into the start of all of this, whenever that was.
>>541130918Jesus Christ, for the fiftieth fucking time, agnosticism and atheism are NOT mutually exclusive. The VAST majority of atheists are agnostic atheists.So fucking tired of this "argument"
>>541125961the opposite is true, the biggest reason Zionism is hated right now is because of lib college students who are largely non religiousMeanwhile the overwhelming majority of support for Israel comes from Christians in the US.
>>541130867> NopeIt literally created a vacuum that was filled by the cult of wokeness and was ground zero through atheism + retard
the misconception is that it was ever popular at all. its entirely a (((modern))) phenomenon.
>>541125182oof golems didn't like this one a bitmaybe breeding a ton more africans will win the argument o algo, when you can't defeat them uhmmmm flood them with banana IQ hominids
>>541125182You're a philosophical nigger>>541130468
>>541131017"Agnostic atheism" is a bullshit made up cope that required changing the definition of atheism to work. Literal pilpul.
>>541125306>george lemaitres>founder of the big bangoh you poor christcucked foolmore like took credit in jewish fashion for something popularly known for 2500 years
>>541131133Wokeness really is a perversion that results from not believing in anything
>>541131017Nah, trying play rhetorical games like that is just pussyfooting around what I said. Atheism is mutually exclusive from agnosticism because it's a commitment to the belief that there isn't an intelligent or deliberate aspect to the architecture of the universe.Agnosticism on its own already covers the idea that it's just unknowable.
>>541131240>>541131406Stupid faggots
>>541125106Don't let the atheists here demoralize you. Take Ben Shapiro's advice.
>>541126866yep. its so obvious too. a forum where jews and anti-semites bicker at one another. what would a christcuck even be doing here? they wouldnt. mostly just jews and anti-semites.all you gotta do is ask yourself in whose interest would it be to spam jew worship. remember, they arent sending their best.
>>541129789The biggest problem that atheism is that it has nothing to offer for young men along with what kike shills and gullible retards want to believe which is that atheism is not exclusive to ideology and you can be conservative and atheist when you can’t because atheism was founded by liberals on liberal principles to reject the traditional value of religion
>>541131554>atheism was foundedA lack of belief in god was never something that was "founded," you fucking retard. It just is.
>>541131539I haven't seen the introoder here in a long time. Is he still spamming?
>>541126866>>541131539Low IQ anti-Christian spam is a psyop to make nationalist ideas radioactive to normal White people who might otherwise support them.
>>541131133>It literallyNope
>>541131554Atheism was not founded by anyone. Atheism is an implicit state of being one automatically exists in when not believing any specific set of made up fictional nonsense.
>>541131465so then which one are christcucks? the answer might surprise you
>>541131681true
>>541128912him too
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>>541131465>if I just reframe the same faulty argument by posting a flawed alignment chart I found, that means I'm right somehowLolNo, just no. Atheism is a categorical denial of intelligent involvement in creation. It doesn't mix with agnosticism.Idiot.
>>541131749Post some more lab-grown memes, then give me a quick rundown on autumn plants to put in my garden.
>>541125106I am still an atheist. However, there is nothing IN atheism. It's a position on a single question. There's nothing beyond it, once you get there there's nowhere to go. You have to build everything from scratch.Due to this, I do not seek to deconvert anyone or speak to the values of adopting my position, as there is only one (maybe): Being correct about 1 question, but it's empty. It took me years to realize that tradition, family, genetics, etc are what matters. All the shit other atheists try to fill in are just bullshit. Stick to what works, building everything from scratch is too much for one person (probably). I'm not even sure most people can handle it which is why so many of us appear to be insane liberals. They think "god doesn't exist" = "I must be a hedonist and there's no down side". They are mistakenStick with Christ kids. If you're not Christian (Amerircan/European), then stick with your own traditions. Just stay in your retarded back assward countries while doing it and we'll all get along better.
>>541131645> A lack of belief in god was never something that was "founded," you fucking retard. It just is.Butthurt which is very hypocritical because you act just like people you claim act like this also you act like atheism is you act like it’s a natural state being and that coming to your own conclusion can be something that can be created like what you say about religion
>>541131904>Atheism is a categorical denial of intelligent involvement in creationIncorrect
>>541131904>flawedPost the flaw or shut the fuck up. > Atheism is a categorical denial of intelligent involvement in creationAtheism is a question of BELIEF. Agnosticism is a question of KNOWLEDGE.I do not BELIEVE in god, but I don't pretend to KNOW that god does not exist.I am an agnostic atheist.Anything else? Wanna continue embarrassing yourself?
>>541125106Its only ever been dominant in western Europe where it became part of a dialectical shift from protestantism to liberal-humanism. The rest of the world has always been majority religious
>>541131976>Butthurt which is very hypocritical because you act just like people you claim act like this also you act like atheism is you act like it’s a natural state being and that coming to your own conclusion can be something that can be created like what you say about religionAre you having a stroke, you run-on sentence retard? Formulate your thoughts better, and I may reply.
>>541131937i gotchu
>>541125106I don't care about religions and don't engage in debates to disprove them, but religions have been the biggest hurdle in the face of progress for humanity. I know they exist so mentally retarded individuals can have a moral compass and don't go on killing spree, but they have done more bad than good if we look back through history and even now in the present. It only added more barrier of separation between people understanding each other, as if race and status wasn't enough.
>>541125106atheism is essentially just normal people being like>yeah idk bro i havent really seen any proof of god, and not believing in one doesnt hurt me in any way, so i just kinda do my own thangwhile you are surrounded by 50 iq inbreds screeching at you about muh hecking fucking book from a thousand years ago written by a random retard cultist is the real one and everyone else must STOP doing things they enjoy because my hecking godderino or something disagrees. there being insufferable cringe redditor atheists doesnt change the fact they're ultimately right. you are fucking retarded if you believe in any religion
>>541131685> Atheism was not founded by anyone. Atheism is an implicit state of being one automatically exists in when not believing any specific set of made up fictional nonsense.Like I said it’s a man made response to a man made thing and as along as you reject the thing
>>541131962>Stick with Christ kids.Based.
>>541125106>how and why did jewish delusions fail?Yes.
>>541131683> NopeCare to elaborate or just whine about calling you out
>>541132265He doesn't have to elaborate. You're making sweeping claims with absolutely no evidence. That which can be asserted with no evidence can be dismissed with no evidence.
>>541131962> Stick with Christ kids. If you're not Christian (Amerircan/European), then stick with your own traditions. Just stay in your retarded back assward countries while doing it and we'll all get along better.Go back to being to being Christian or convert to a non Christian religion
>>541132265Atheism is just an opinion on the existence of God or gods. The fact that religious people partake and promote woke bullshit proves you wrong. You won't understand this though, watch
>>541132379This anon gets it
>>541131962>stick with your traditionschristianity is a jewish tradition. to be non-jewish and christian means that you have abandoned your traditions and adopted jewish ones
>>541132109> Are you having a stroke, you run-on sentence retard? Formulate your thoughts better, and I may reply.I’m saying retard that if religion is man made construct so is atheism because it is a rejection of that. So atheism is man made construct because it was thought by man .
>>541131990he forgot we live in a post-christcucked neo-atheist jewish world order where jews change all the meanings of words and they dont mean what you think they mean, but what jews think they mean.
>>541132691It really is all so tiresome. Isn't it?
>>541132428> The fact that religious people partake and promote woke bullshit proves you wrong.You can say anything about anyone promoting something if you look hard enough but what anti woke conservative movement have atheists ever promoted and even like with the religious wokeness it vast minority that don’t believe in what they practice
>>541132606That’s technically true but completely trivial. Every concept humans formulate is a human construct in that sense, including Christianity, theism, mathematics, democracy, and the word “God.” It tells us nothing about whether the thing being described actually exists.
>>541132789>but what anti woke conservative movement have atheists ever promotedBy voting for candidates who are against woke bullshit. That's what I did. And I don't even need to be an atheist to do it because me being an atheist is irrelevant to which issues I vote for/against. You keep misunderstanding atheism as monolith when it's simply a response to a claim..
>>541132789religious people *are* the woke bullshitalways have been
>>541131990>>541132048Agnosticism is the suspension of judgment regarding what I am describing.Atheism is commitment to the belief that there is no "god" or "gods" aka vastly intelligent and / or unknowable consciousnesses. Judgment is no longer suspended when you stray from that. That is a binary thing, not part of some pilpul gradient system meted out by kike-compromised modern taxonomy.>I do not BELIEVE in god, but I don't pretend to KNOW that god does not exist. I'm glad we could clarify that you are just agnostic. If you don't "believe in the possibility of god/s" but then try to backpedal on that by saying you suspend judgment, agnostic is what you are. Feel free to seethe about it.
>>541133005>this is considerably lower than the general U.S. population
>>541132862> That’s technically true but completely trivial. No it is important because you can formulate your own beliefs or lack there of by having the will to think for yourself
>>541125106They lost the meme war. We explained to them something is better than nothing. They've proven to be midwits and anyone past 110 IQ can beat them. Science admitted defeat when they said they cannot reach absolute truth. The atheist has to lie by omission every to even try at an argument. They are also degenerates who like jews.
>>541125106Most atheists are 100% certain the races are equal even though the is no evidence to support it. They're just as religious as the Christians they hate.
>>541133062>Agnosticism is the suspension of judgment regarding what I am describingAnd I, as an agnostic atheist suspend my belief/ lack belief in God or Gods until evidence convinces me otherwise.I don't take the gnostic "hard" stance that God or gods don't exist because I simply don't know. It's really that simple
>>541125106How did it fail when religion is dying everywhere?
>>541132789>>541133005this is due to >>541132691the (((religious))) options we are offered are noahide compliant npc factories. (((freedom of religion))) is a complete misnomer, since you cant practice the faiths of your ancestors and blood eagle jews in the street. i mean you *can*, you will just be hunted down by a global coalition of jews and jew worshippers who are totally with fine with trafficking their own children to jews, because stopping you is more important than stopping that.
>>541133111And you assume we don't because we don't believe what you believe?
>>541125686>>541126704>>541127277>>541131785this lmao
>>541132961> By voting for candidates who are against woke bullshit. That's what I did.Man that’s pathetic
>>541133492To you.
>>541133005Let me guess they include larpagans wiccans and spiritual but religious
>>541133386Show me the early lives and organization relation of atheist leaders
>>541133062>Atheism is commitment to the belief that there is no "god" or "gods"Nope. That's gnostic atheism. Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>541133005Indeed. CRT is Based off original sin IMO. Christians are quick to ban/burn anything they don't like.Christians are quick to invade your homes to instill their dogma on you.All of these things the woke modeled after Christians. Because one extreme always begets the other. And the cycle goes on for more millennia
>>541133086i didnt say *all* religious people are woke, i said religious people are woke. know the difference. had to have learned the jewish mental gymnastics somewhere. whether its the talmudic justice system of the jewish BAR, jewish hollywood, jewish common core, or jewish organized religion, they were exposed to it somewhere. they dont just naturally come to think in such ways, someone else had to teach them. and jewish religions is one possible way. its like the D.A.R.E. program for morality.
>>541133517Not gonna be impressed until I see you create your own organizations
>>541126229No they aren't retard, theyre a bunch of gooner retards, absolutely no one in this country wants to obey the word of God. Everyone does what they want and is merely pretending. Its been that way since 1990 at least.
>>541133822>Not gonna be impressedSounds like a personal problem
>>541133703>atheist leaderswhat, all 2 of them? its such a non-issue. we all know these threads are for subtle dunking on jews and jew worshippers and nothing else.
>>541133413> And you assume we don't because we don't believe what you believe?No that being able to believe or not on your own is important
>>541125106Atheism is materialism, and worship of the physical world eventually crumbles under the weight of time.Humans are designed to worship things. Worshiping impermanence leads to a hollow life.
>>541133984>No you NEED to believe in a magical after life that is eternal!
>>541133967I agree
>>541134036The thing you pay the most attention to and value is what you worship.If you worship nothing, nothing is what you eventually become.
>>541133984>Atheism is materialismNah, it's just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods An atheist can still believe in an afterlife and/or the concept of a "soul"
>>541133984Materialism and Atheism are two different things, Some atheists believe in ghosts and the supernatural for example.
>>541134174We all become nothing.
>>541133627(((neo)))pagans would be a minority. if "(((religious))) nones" are the majority of people, and half of all woke proponents consists of (((religious))) people, you can deduce two things:1. religious people are more likely to be woke than non-religious people2. jews are underselling the religious contribution to wokeness, and overselling the popularity of religion
>>541134362This anon gets it
>>541125182was the argument "islam is the best religion" because if not you got raped very badly
>>541133274I understand that your understanding of it is as such, but my objection targets the diluted contemporary bastardization of these concepts. Disbelief is a distinct doxastic attitude which is separate from suspension of judgment. Trying to throw another axis in to try and make them mix just ain't it.
>>541134362The supernatural cannot exist for athiests because they deny faith-based reasoning. >>541134404You think 'we all' become nothing because you assume your existence is a proverbial north star by which the rest of humanity exists in relation.In reality, every human is a world unto itself. What you think, feel and act on eventually manifests in your own life and drives you forward. The hope of something After the Now in relation to Before is what drives humanity forward.
>>541125106>How and why did atheism fall so catastrophically?>I'm glad it did. But how? Was it a process? Or more a singular event?
>>541133720>>541134783
>>541134783>Disbelief is a distinct doxastic attitude which is separate from suspension of judgmentCorrect. I already addressed this That's why atheism is the disbelief OR lack of belief in God or gods
>>541134174Worshiping is not the same thing as valuing. I don't care if you think that it is, you are wrong.
>>541134799You talk like a fag.Survival instincts drive humans, just like all life.
>>541125106We dug a little deeper.
The new atheism movement was literally just 2010s feminazism, but discovered earlier by the internet's native demographic.I remember the gay trends, like:>Distinguishing between agnostic-atheist and agnostic>Ganging up on random, retarded Christians, like Venomfangx>False, emancipatory outpourings of "coming out"That's just pronouns, discord tranny raids, and coming out.
>>541126659Who fucking cares?
>>541134799>The supernatural cannot exist for athiests because they deny faith-based reasoning.This is true and a good retort. To that I simply say that I look forward in finding out
>>541125106I wish Carlin that dead faggot got to see this before he died and went to hell
>>541134975So you must understand why I’d say there’s no such thing as “agnostic atheism” in the sense I’m using those terms, because they describe mutually exclusive attitudes toward the proposition itself. I understand that there’s no formal contradiction in saying “I believe x, but I don’t claim to know x.” My point is that knowing / not knowing is a separate epistemic qualification. It doesn’t create another substantive "agnostic atheist" position on the underlying question of belief.
They failed to account for the fact that faith and fanatical assholes have always and will always exist in some form or another regardless of the existence of religion. They failed to understand that religion itself is rooted in emotions like fear and hope but they utterly neglected to address said emotions when attacking organized religion. As long as these emotions remain so too will faith. Perhaps not in God but in luck, or some celebrity or even more cancerous ideology. And as expected because said emotions still exist something else taking religions place was inevitable. In our case that new religion is politics. The modern left is literally just Puritanism minus Jesus and the modern right is so desperate for a messiah to save them that they turned to the absolute last guy they should have put their faith in.Atheists are indeed very intelligent on average. The problem is they are not wise and terribly arrogant so they can't wield their oh so superior minds effectively. Intelligence without wisdom is the domain of fools and atheists are far and away the biggest fools on this planet.
>>541134693always with the circle you back to jew worship..>if upset with an identifiable major sect (protestantism/catholicism/orthodox), then push one of the other two>if upset with christianity itself, then push gnosticism>if upset with mainstream christian faggotry AND gnosticism, then push mormonism and jewhovahs witnesses>if upset with all forms of christianity, then push generic islam>if upset with an identifiable form of islam, then push the sheeiiiiite/sunni alternative>if upset with islam generally, push sufismad infinitumand you know jews have got their own internal system, which pushes orthodox to reform, reform to chabad, chabad to kabbalah, etc.always circling back to jew worship in a perpetual game of "only jews are right, everyone else is wrong"the final boss is you'll get to the extreme fringes of this cycle and theres a last-ditch and very poor attempt at promoting jew-approved noahide compliant alternatives, i.e. buddhism and hinduism, but is usually done in such a shitty way as to attempt to reestablish credibility with mainstream jew worship. because who doesnt want to spend 2 million years being miserable during the kali yuga? and then the cycle restarts anew.
>>541136254first of all, the point was rise of atheism, which is the opposition of only christianity, directly correlates with the rise of islam, which is demonstrably true, but feel free to have a total reddit meltie instead of face the factsadditionally, judaism is a religion that was formed in the middle ages so your meme image that your favorite atheislam youtuber who puppeteers your entire life and commanded you to spread around the internet is irrelevant
>>541135987>So you must understand why I’d say there’s no such thing as “agnostic atheism” in the sense I’m using those termsNo, because thise same terms apply to what I said. >My point is that knowing / not knowing is a separate epistemic qualificationSure, one is a claim, the ither isn't Gnostic atheist claim they know (have knowledge) that God or gods don't exist.While the agnostic atheist doesn't make that claim because they don't know but they still lack the belief amd are open to evidence that is convincing enough.I really can't make it more simple than this
>>541130734There's only one pregnant virgin though
>>541136874Not really
Christianity is a jewish slave cult. It has no independent identity whatsoever. It worships a jewish and jewish books written by jews about jews. They name themselves after jews. They love Israel and everything evil jews have ever done to them. They think they get "salvation" from a jew. They're completely dominated cattle. They're not even sentient.Christgolems brainwash their children to die for Israel and jews. They're a sick cult and should always be exposed by courageous men and women.
>>541125106>atheistsThe irony of atheism is that the world is illusory, as there is a gap between the world as it really is and the senses. Most of the universe is unobservable by the senses.
>>541134362>Some atheists believe in ghosts and the supernatural for example.How can they believe in these things and not a greater spirit? Doesn't make sense.
>>541134036>No you NEED to believe in a magical after life that is eternal!Time is contingent upon the eternal. The eternal is necessary.
>>541125106On the “critical thinking” of atheists. Yes, let us make a cosmological theory of the universe based on speculative particles we cannot detect, physics we cannot observe and math that does not reflect real life. Then we will package it as the infallible word of "Science" and evangelize it through government intelligence agencies masquerading as news.
>>541125106Atheism doesn't exist. Their master is the man, they crave for enslavement by their kind, they never learn the lessons of the past because they are obsseded by themselves and their influence in this world.
>>541136701You haven't actually addressed my criticism of the taxonomy in the "four quadrant" model you're trying to use, which is kind of the whole point.I get that under that model, that is how you are defining yourself as an "agnostic atheist," but it relies on definitions which collapse disbelief and suspension of judgment into the same doxastic category despite being distinct positions. You can keep saying it's "just that simple," but until you can actually clear up that contradiction, you should just say you're agnostic instead.
>>541136911Please elaborate. Also what I meant was pregnant virgins are a supernatural thing meanwhile pregnant men is just pandering to the cretin and the mentally ill
>>541131029>atheism is about enjoying life!Said by one that can't hide his existential dread enough to take a picture
>>541125306Athiests don't even talk about the big bang anymore. One of the biggest truth nukes I heard when I listened to John Lennox was the fact that the big bang proved that the universe has a beginning, so far from running contrary to what the bible says it seems that science has merely caught up to the very first claim in the bible. How embarrassing
