The Chinese Navy has doubled in size since Trump's election in 2016.
>>541127569its ok democrats downsized ours
>>541127569Didn't they just lose to some filipinos in rafts
>>541127569and they're just joyriding enjoying themselves laughing eating good food in pristine ships + the occasional messing a bit with taiwan or whoeverexactly how it should be.deal with it
>>541127569Navys are obsolete and worthless now so jokes on them. The new meta is magazine depth of cheap long range missiles and satellites/radars
>>541127703like how europoors got invaded by niggers in rafts? our invading spics are called wetbacks for a reason
>>541127737there is some truth to this but it's nowhere near the full truthalso 99% of the time life is about having fun helping eachother out and not some kind of dead serious war, in this context they sure as hell make a lot of sense
>>541127649>we should borrow another trillion from China
>>541127892oh the jew is here to explain why we need to pay for niggers and shitskins it wants to import instead
>>541127737Can missiles support and facilitate a naval invasion?
>>541127569Thank you Great Leader Trump
>>541128755Ain't nobody invading China or America, don't be delusional. The only place that would be invaded would be like, Taiwan or possibly South Korea.
>>541129205Xi never does anything.
>>541128548Fuck you plastic gooksI hope best korea annexes your shithole soon
>>541127892>getting china to finance the ships we will use to defeat china.Lmao, based.
>>541129341your shithole is occupied by us, i have fucked your women. you losted
>>541129205The Sorks are being pussies because they know their asses would get beat if they jumped in to the next Asian war so they are trying to be neutral pussies.It won't save them, south Korea is rightful Japanese clay anyway.
>>541129357>defeat chinakek
>>541129579>china has already defeated itself with its aging incel army
>>541127569Imagine thinking that boats are still relevant when we have completely undetectable trained pigeon bombs.
>>541127569>Chinese Navy>made in Chinalol. I'm scared.
>>541129205>The only place that would be invaded would be like, TaiwanYeah, why do you think China is building a navy?
>>541127569As much as I despise ZOG and understand our decline in America, the cheerleading for China is very embarassing and pajeet coded. Quantity has never meant quality.
The hidden fleet is ever so growing
>>541129890they didn't need a navy to invade shitanada
>>541127569>doubled in size
>>541129932>cheerleading for China >pajeet coded
>>541130070>Canada is controled by Chinks, Jeets and Jews all at once according to muttsPost uncircumsized cock with timestamp
>>541130217Those aren't diapers. They're Epstein files.
>>541130330see the shitskin wants dick picks and knows /pol/ is right when we say shitanada is not White
>>541130437
DAMN YOU CHYNA!!
>>541130460>Cut dickOpinion discarded, golem
It can triple in size, it still won't matter. China is far too scared of the US to ever do anything, they have passed on all of their greatest opportunities.
>>541130494:3
>>541127569Their ships suck.
>>541130533
>>541127569Iran is proving Big Navys aren't that useful with modern drone warfare.
>>541128755Nobody is invading anyone.
>>541127737Long range missiles are most useful for pushing the envelope for how far you can keep the enemy navy from your coast. They have limited utility against submarines, which are capable of locking down shipping lanes with modern missiles, and can only really be effectively defended against by having a surface fleet with robust anti-submarine warfare capabilities. Submarine on submarine combat has never happened and probably never will. So in order to defend your own submarines you need a fleet which can prevent the enemy surface fleet from engaging in effective anti-submarine warfare efforts. If you intend to use your fleet to project power, even within missile range of your own coast, you need them to also be capable of keeping enemy submarines at bay.>>541130712Actually they're demonstrating a much more complicated point about the relation between different kinds of forces.
>>541128755they can prevent one, an sm6 costs $4.8m and can sink every one of those chinese ships. This is why taiwan has a “porcupine” strategy where they simply need to stockpile more missiles than china has ships and planes and will easily be able to defeat an invasion. Its the same strategy iran used to beat us, even though they are technologically sophisticated enough to find our ships
>>541127569china has no oil.
>>541129932My main issue is. I just know China will fuck this up but I don't know how. Anytime they get a huge lead they squander it every time.Logically this is the start of the Chinese Century but they'll botch it and we'll end up in some Indonesian Golden Millennium.
>>541127737Wait until they start building drone carriers. Aircraft carriers or giant subs filled with tens of thousands of one way drones. The navies will change, but they will always be very powerful.
>>541130701Bro, your dick isn't even functional. Why are you giving me (you)s?
>>541127569They have over 800 "civilian small freighters" that can be loaded from the front and/or back (no cranes needed).In other words they have over 800 "amphibious landing craft".
>>541127649>biden derangement syndromecringe
>>541131044Alright calm down.
>>541130842russia has largest submarine fleet in the world, china has largest surface fleet in the world
>>541130842You defeat submarines by having nukes and a doctrine of annihilating the country attacking your trading vessels. In ww2 the uboats were defeated by bombing the pens, breaking enigma to know where they were operating and traveling in convoys that avoided them. The entire US navy is obsolete and worthless, as is the Chinese navy
>>541130984A large $10b drone carrier gets detected and sunk 2000 miles away with a $5m missile. Next?
>>541127737So.... are you not going to mention that China has Ballistic and Hypersonic misisles for their ships? Or how about the entire PLA ROCKET FORCE they have dedicated with specific rockets meant to be 'Carrier' Killers....Iran just proved that the US way of military strategy is obsolete for the cold war.
>>541131044Are they protected at all or do they plan to have 400 of them sink before reaching the shore?
>>541130795Sure, you're right. China producing 900 ships to our 3 isn't a problem at all. No need to have aircraft carriers in the ocean over there. It's not like Taiwan has anything we need. Good thing your golden cult leader is on top of putting back steam pistons and painting ships gold, that'll get the job done!
Dumbass fucking chinks need to help russia and iran or they are toast. Have some balls you fucking chinks
>>541127569>0 naval combat experience>0 Real world participation >below average in international competitions>mass built ships never used in war>still cant break out of South china sea>invests more in dredgining up landto make airstrips in the south china sea than ships.>still has no power projection toward strait of Malacca>fucking jeets have power projection to lock down the malacca straitWhat a numerous and useless navy.
>>541131238>It's not like Taiwan has anything we need.>Meme flag
>>541127569>twice the absolute garbage
>>541127569I went to China again recently after 10 years since my last visit and the girls are noticeably bigger.
>>541131218they have companies with more surface ships than their navy and ours combined but these are not counted because they're not military, pic related is a single chinese company, each red dot is one of their vessels with transponder turned on, they turn them off to enter the EEZ and fish illegally, this is off coast of south america
>>541131211the taiwan strategy is called the “porcupine”, ie having more than enough missiles to sink and shoot down everything china has. A missile will always be cheaper than a ship, plane or tank. Everything China has built is obsolete and worthless, as is the entire US military, which we should have learned after losing to 70k 80 iq goat herders in afghanistan. It is simple impossible to occupy a people who do not want to be occupied without genociding them first
>>541130984>>541131186>Drone carriersLiterally just more shitty aircraft carriers, jets have more range and firepower and are even more cost-effective over any significant period of time.Thing about aircraft carriers is that every single aircraft on said carrier can load up on missiles and defend the carrier from the air, they'll always beat a drone carrier in any environment.
>>541128755>Can missiles support and facilitate a naval invasion?I really wish I could find a gif/webm/mp4 of that scene from Full Metal Panic where a mech is delivered by ballistic missile.>>541131128>russia has largest submarine fleet in the worldTechnically North Korea does, if we're just going by sheer quantity.>>541131142>You defeat submarines by having nukes and a doctrine of annihilating the country attacking your trading vesselsthat's fucking stupid>In ww2 the uboats were defeated by bombing the pens, breaking enigma to know where they were operating and traveling in convoys that avoided them.And if any country is dumb enough to use mechanical encryption in the modern era, that might work against them.
>>541131424Aircraft carriers are completely obsolete and were defeated last year by the tiny and broke rebels in yemen, and again by iran. The entire US navy is worthless
>>541131058>thinks biden was in controlreddit is that way ->
>>541127569they're all still crewed by chinks tho
>>541127569shit+shit=shit
>>541131467Its not fucking stupid, once you have nukes no country can attack you. Extending that protection to your trading ships means no one will attack them either. No country will risk nuclear annihilation to sink $300m of cargo
>>541129579if we could harness the amount of nuclear buttmad the average chinkposter produces on a daily basis
>>541127569Hasn't the Iran war shown that surface vessels are basically just targets for cheap drones? US Aircraft carriers are hanging out far away to avoid getting hit and they need aerial refueling to reach their target. Iran has been blasting those refueling planes in their runways.
>>541131571nukes are not real
>>541131252China isnt going to invade Taiwan unless some retards declares Taiwan President independent from the mainland.>>541131296I find it funny how you fags claim "combat experince" when the USN just proved that they clearly can lose expeirnce. A laundry fire that put out the Ford? Then the Abraham Lincon running out of food? And soon in 3 months, something is going to break on the George Washington forcing it leave the Gulf of Oman kek. Anyways, I find it funny how North Korea is able to build Nuclear Submarines but retarded assuies are just simply too stupid to try their own version and instead have to wait 20 years to get our hand me downs. >>541131423>the taiwan strategy is called the “porcupine”, ie having more than enough missiles to sink and shoot down everything china has.Sure>A missile will always be cheaper than a ship, plane or tank.Correct>Everything China has built is obsolete and worthlessOh no.. its projecting.> as is the entire US military, which we should have learned after losing to 70k 80 iq goat herders in afghanistanTrue, either you genocide them or don't naiton build. Afghansitan is simply a tribal country.>It is simple impossible to occupy a people who do not want to be occupied without genociding them firstright.Porcupine works if you share a land border to get supplies. It doesnt work for Cuba, and it wont work for Taiwan. Considering that China can out produce 1000x fold missiles than Taiwan can, and enforce a blockade on all of Taiwans ports with just missiles and drones alone like how Iran or Odessa is being stopped. They simply will collapse without their energy imports and food imports and if their water ports are hit they get sent back to the 1900's in 3 months. Geogrpahy matters, location is part of that. Iran has mountains and a moat to its south that happens to be a very important water way, Ukraine has a land border with NATO. Taiwan does not have good geogrpahy so their only chance is nukes.
>>541131423it wont shoot down everything China has, a lot of those missiles are going to splash down in civilian areas. Taiwan has a huge underground fortress that can just survive wave after wave of Chinese missiles while hitting the open and undefended Chinese on open water and on the beaches. All Taiwan has to do to win is repel the Chinese, and if the USA is involved the Chinese will lose, lose face, and go through another existential crisis where Xi Jinping executes all of his top generals to save face with the Chinese people.
>>541131571>Its not fucking stupid, once you have nukes no country can attack you.So nobody has ever attacked a country with nukes? The Russo Ukraine war just isn't happening I take it?>Extending that protection to your trading ships means no one will attack them either.Or someone calls your bluff, and you either commit global thermonuclear murder suicide or you admit it was just a bluff and try to actually defend them.>No country will risk nuclear annihilation to sink $300m of cargoBut they will definitely initiate it to defend said cargo?
>>541131689Taiwan doesn't need to declare independence, Taiwan is already independent. Taiwan meets every international definition of a sovereign nation.
>>541131479None of this post is related to mine at all.
>>541131218Like most amphibious landing craft they are unarmed and unarmored. If they were used they would probably be escorted by the real navy.The whole point is that their regulations and laws have forced civilian companies to produce "dual use" ships like this, which are not counted as "official" navy ships.>>541131413Those fleets are basically "fish pirates". They scour the territorial waters of other nations like a plague of locusts. They "bottom trawl" and also take EVERYTHING of EVERY SIZE including dolphins, sea turtles, and whales. The Philippines had to sink some a few years ago to make them fuck off, so now they plague South America.
>>541131965these fleets are staffed by actual slave labor. North Korean prisoners, Chinese undesirables, debt slaves, and exist at sea for 3+ year at a time where the workers are literally worked to death.We do have a solution though, we sanction their bunkering and reefer ships and refuse them fuel and port.
>>541127569They have to have twice the number of ships because they're half as good. Seriously, half the Chink Navy would be at the bottom of the ocean within the first couple weeks of open warfare. Their approach to naval power is the same approach the Soviets took to armor. Build tons of cheap shit with the understanding that most of it's going to be destroyed almost immediately.
>>541131689China has plenty of enemies right next door, dont need to compare to US, just their neighbours are enough of a thorn on their side. China expects to 'wait it out' and see the US collapse. That is a stupid indecisive strategy that will lead to their neighbours arming up (hypersonic missiles i think beingpurchased) and the moment china tries something it will be a very costly move and will only show everything i explained contributing to their failure and loss.They cant even crush shitjeets, arent they supposed to be weak and a walkover? Why hasnt china just rolled them over?Because China is equally weak and cannot withstand a war, they have no extra reserves and ultimately no will to fight. China is a paper dragon. Keep repeating 'its funny' i guess, but that still isnt an argument.
>>541132354Indonesia is buying as many BrahMos missiles as India will sell them, which is hundreds. Each one of these will pop a type 055 if it hits.
>>541132403not indonesia, the philippines. Indonesia is officially neutral.
>>541132403>if it hitsWhich it won't because it was built by jeets.
>>541132435Russia and India. The Indians are building as much as they can domestically now, but the design is Russian. .
>>541131424>Literally just more shitty aircraft carriersNo, more like bargain bin arsenal ships. Drone carriers can get away with a lot less crew accommodations and aircraft maintenance facilities, allowing them to be smaller or carry more aircraft per ton of displacement. A drone carrier would also be able to generate more sorties.>jets have more range and firepowerDrones can be jet powered, and can be built to have superior performance to a jet while not having to make compromises for having a pilot. Moreover a loitering munition with the same fuel, engine, and flight characteristics as a human operated plane can go twice as far since it doesn't need to come back.>Thing about aircraft carriers is that every single aircraft on said carrier can load up on missiles and defend the carrier from the air, they'll always beat a drone carrier in any environment.The idea of a duel between a drone carrier and an aircraft carrier in a vacuum is childish. Both ships would be part of a fleet and the question would be what they contribute to the fleet action. They also aren't exclusive to one another, a fleet could have both a drone carrier and an aircraft carrier working in tandem, or have a carrier that operates both manned and unmanned aircraft.
>>541132435I think from their recent tiff with pakis they used those missiles, pakis got hit pretty hard so i doubt its all just for show.
>>541129932>Quantity has never meant quality.I'll take quantity over quality any day in modern warfare. Russia's outproducing all of NATO with cheap armaments. The Western MIC produces nothing but overcomplex and overpriced military devices. We couldn't sustain an all out war longer than a month max. Meanwhile China and Russia has the manufacturing capacity to level cities for days on end without pause. We're practically retarded with our capitalist military industry. I'd take a thousand Shahed drones over one Tomahawk anyday.
>>541127569You want to know what a navy like that needs to do anything?Oil.You know what they are not getting? OilYou want to know why? Trump.You want to know why he is doing it? Taiwan.He is stopping the fight before it happens. But all these crying faggots only hear, HES BOMBING IRAN. No shit.
>>541129890Yeah, why do do you think Trump has destroyed all of China's oil imports. Can't invade with battery boats.
>>541129932>Quantity has never meant quality.But you're assuming you can't have quality and quantity like the U.S. did in WWII and China very likely has now considering they built their own EMALS independently and they work unlike ours.
>>541131296>0 naval combat experience>0 Real world participation Talking about China or America? The U.S. Navy can't even open Hormuz and their crews are mutinying.
>>541134642China, but both are pretty retarded due to change in the way wars are fought.
>>541129843Kinda this.If their domestic missiles perform anything like what they sold Iran they are in deep shit in an actual fight. There's a reason nobody that can afford better buys Chinese for national defense outside of cheap drone parts. There's serious questions as to those having the long term relevance on the battlefield that they currently enjoy. That's really going to depend on how directed energy defense systems pan out in the near future. Newer portable microwave can fry most of them fiber optic or not.
>>541127737boats carry missiles and drones. they're mobile launch platforms.
>>541129932most chinks weapons are superior to what you burgers have, just like their women-advantage.
>>541127876>life is about having fun helping eachother out and not some kind of dead serious warSince when?
>>541132986Those brows need more jewcurl
>>541132620>but the design is RussianThat's promising. But it's still being built by indians.
>>541135201I remember a couple of years ago when they put out a propaganda video showing off their new indigenous assault rifle. The Chink camera crew had probably never near a firearm in their life so they didn't realize that they were showing off paper targets where the bullets had key-holed at less than 50 meters. As if the barrels of their rifles didn't even have rifling in them. As an American I can go to the store tomorrow and buy a precision rifle that will put bullets into a pretty tight group from 1,000 meters away. Chinks can't even manage to keep bullets straight at 50.
>>541131484>implying she thinks trump is in controloh no no no
>>541127569And the sea level is the same as 2000 years ago.
>>541127569Didn't the Ukrainians prove that you can just sink these with sub-drones?
>>541127569Is that a fucking ramp?
>>541137542>nigger lover is outraged trump wants a bigger navy and defends biden shrinking it
>>541137444Don't forget MRE steve getting food poisoning from a 2 year old PLA MRE. Honestly the chinks should have just stuck with soviet produced AKs and rice.
>>541137828>israel lover wants to spend more money for israelIMAGINE MY SHOCK
>>54112756990% of them are getting sunk by the time they even get one close to Taiwans shores.
>>541137958Fuck, I forgot about that one lol. I'm not a total China hater. It's not that they're not a threat. Thinking that would be naive. But they got their asses kicked the one time they fought us. And they also got their asses kicked when they fought the Vietnamese. They're just not a people with a contemporary military tradition like us, their primary adversary. I think they represent all the worst aspects of crony capitalism that leftists accuse the US of being. Sure, our procurement system is a mess and people are getting way too rich off of it. But we can build precision missiles with spring-loaded katanas that can hit a speeding car from 20 km's away as well as shoot down shit in orbit from the ground.
>>541127649trumps battleships will make this better
>>541129932Quantity has a quality all it's own
>>541137444back to k tranny
>>541127569If it doubles in size every 10 years it will cover the entire ocean in just 290 years.
