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Women aren't supporting her action (killing children).

Women are supporting awareness for postpartum depression or psychosis and how it can completely take over your life to the point of committing such heinous acts.

There is no perpetrator, only victims.
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>>541154765
you are wrong
abortion is no longer enough for women, they now want the right to murder infants after they're born
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What do they want done about it? They already get 3 years paid leave to deal with it. It's not like were not always 100% of the time aware how crazy women are.
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>>541154765
I don't give a fuck, kill a child and you should be killed
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>>541154765
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>>541154823
That's clearly not what happened or what is being argued here. Stop seeing ulterior agendas everywhere.

>>541154880
Even if we could do nothing about it, it doesn't mean we should unjustly punish someone for something they had no agency over.
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>DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO ISRAEL DESTROYING IRAN AND AMERICA
>PAY ATTENTION TO THIS ONE SPECIFIC FAMILY!!!!
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>>541154998
Israel is fighting a war against a terrorist state.
The only thing being destroyed in Iran are people who wish to see you killed for being American.
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>>541154823
migger detected
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>>541154987
that is blatantly what is going on
what else could it be?
>umm, I fantasize about killing sometimes
ok sweet heart, EVERYONE does. but if you act on that you go to jail

when women cheat on their husbands or purposefully push their buttons and get themselves killed should men be given a pass on that murder charge?
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>>541154765
>Women are supporting awareness for postpartum depression or psychosis and how it can completely take over your life to the point of committing such heinous acts.
Why are they outside the courthouse?
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>>541155079
>what else could it be?
I said so in the OP.
>ok sweet heart, EVERYONE does. but if you act on that you go to jail
It's about time we move away from the 'fault game'.
It's about time we stop pointing fingers at each other demanding punishments.
It's about time we start addressing the problems that enable this type of behavior to begin with.
>when women cheat on their husbands or purposefully push their buttons and get themselves killed should men be given a pass on that murder charge?
Even in our cruel, retributive systems, men who have a sympathetic reason to kill someone get smaller sentences than men who kill for fun.
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>>541154765
this amount of grace people and giving Clancy has never been extended to the multitude of ways mental health affects men who end up committing horrible and violent crimes, even though on average men suffer more violent abuse, trauma, and depression throughout their life. They normally have less resources available to them to address these issues and are expected by society to deal with these things on their own, all to the surprise to people when those men end up living lives defined by antisocial behavior like criminality or addiction.

Contrast to Clancy, who being a woman, had all the resources available to address her issues and still decided to murder her own children. Then women rally together to paint this like some tragic episode of someone who fell through the cracks, as if we don't bend over backwards to address every twinge of negative emotions that they can feel. It is unbelievably myopic and unsurprisingly self-serving.
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>>541155036
>Israel is fighting a war against a terrorist state.
>The only thing being destroyed in Iran are people who wish to see you killed for being American.
A german would not say that...
How to out yourself.
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>>541155215
at least in the case of men they could have some reason to kill
in the mothers case the children are totally innocent and have done absolutely nothing wrong and were killed
it's why the mother will be going to prison and they'll throw away the key
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>>541155215
The key words here is THEY GET SENTENCED nigger faggot
The foids are asking for the whore who slaughtered her own offspring to be found Not Guilty.
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>>541154942
Will it apply to a case if you're Israeli and the child is Palestinian?
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>>541154765
>postpartum depression
More like the drug abuse. She she go to prison for being such an idiot. So should her doctors.
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>>541154765
>be me
>70 IQ nigger
>chimp out and murder somebody
Nooo you can’t send me to prison I’m mentally challenged nooo I dindu nuffin.

Same applies here. At the end of the day she strangled her three children. Whether temporary insanity or not she did it. There’s plenty of sociopathic women out there who will murder their children if they see a not guilty verdict and think they can get away with it.
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>>541154765
It's about not facing the consequences of their actions.
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>>541154765
>can completely take over your life to the point of committing such heinous acts.
no it can't. not for a normal person
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Also what are the political implications of jannies being Manlets? Do you think they are more likely to murder someone because of their short (heh) tempers?
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>>541155296
>this amount of grace people and giving Clancy has never been extended to the multitude of ways mental health affects men who end up committing horrible and violent crimes, even though on average men suffer more violent abuse, trauma, and depression throughout their life.
You are playing the "you" vs. "me" game, when this should be about enlightened vs. unenlightened.

>Contrast to Clancy, who being a woman, had all the resources available to address her issues and still decided to murder her own children.
This isn't about resources, this is about agency.
'Agency' is this little game we play to hold each other accountable, but it quickly falls apart when mental breaks are involved.
Putting people into prison when they are not in control of themselves serves no purpose.

>>541155366
A German can say whatever he wants to say. We have been granted the freedom to think freely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf714QxbZvs
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>>541154765
Jewish harpy phenotype
Jesus Christ fry that thing
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>>541155061
>OH NO I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KILL AT ANY POINT AND GET AWAY WITH IT
Foid detected
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>>541155604
No one is arguing that.
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>>541155617
literally you are arguing that
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>>541154765
no, women are very clearly trying to shield her from the consequences of her actions.
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>>541155653
How do you hold someone accountable for something they had no control over?
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>>541155565
>>541155565
>This isn't about resources, this is about agency.
chatgpt.
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>>541155679
>be me
>drunk
>hit someone
>he dies

No prison time though. The alcohol was in control.
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>>541154765
Let me kill you, I am suffering from psychotic breakdown due to your idiotic post
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>>541155523
Free Watts
He was PELTED by scalding hot chicken nuggets by his 2 demonic daughters trained by their harpy of a mother. He was Ass drunk that alone should've got him off
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>>541155685
I've been using that syntax before ChatGPT even existed :-)
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>>541155565
kek shut the fuck up you retarded kraut.
She murdered her three children. I don't give a shit what was going on in her head, she needs to be removed from society permanently. That's what should happen to you when you kill your three children. Death or life in prison.
It's not difficult. You aren't allowed to murder your children.
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>>541155679
>no control over
that's a blatant lie. she clearly planned it, since she sent her man away on an errand.
then she slowly strangled her children to death one after the other, which is not a fast death and a very personal way to kill someone.
this was not some spur of the moment thing she just did because of poor impulse control.
as far as I am concerned, she should be put to death, and you should probably also be put to death alongside her. luckily for you I don't have a say, so the retarded cunt probably gets to walk and till she murders someone else and then maybe succeeds on her 2nd suicide attempt.
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>>541155685
Accusing autistic Germans of being robots is a hate crime you bigot
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>>541154942
Thank you for saying it brave jew
I'm so glad we agree that we have every reason to wipe the jewish race off the face of the earth once and for all
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>>541154765
Why is there suddenly a dozen threads about this foid? Clearly some sort of Mossad pysop.
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>>541155709
All germans are too autistic to use it POST chatgpt.
You're not even a european by blood.
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>>541155565
Jewish tricks don't work any more. The AIs will be smart if they align with the chuds. Think about it.
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>>541154765
I'm never wrong.
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>>541155704
Also did you see his mistress? Really strong mitigating circumstances that should have got him off the hook. Free that nigga now
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>>541155709
Addendum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Germany

Germans don't use that turn of sentence.
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>>541154765
>postpartum depression
looks look only white women do, pathetic race
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>>541155701
>>541155702
I notice how you have a tendency to strawman a lot.
She didn't do anything that would have obviously resulted in her killing her children.
She didn't realistically have a chance to prevent what happened using 'agency'.

On the other hand, if you have a history of brawling in a tavern, and one day end up killing someone, we have a vector at which agency can be applied (don't get drunk/ don't go to taverns, because you know it will end up in physical alterations), but even in that case we can make arguments for what would be an appropriate sentence.

>>541155744
If I planted a chip in your brain that made you plan and slowly kill all your children, what should your punishment be?

>>541155866
Good thing not every German is the same.
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>>541154765
It is a very interesting post and timing. It looks like their yesterday's stunt wasn't taken by the American progressive public as they expected.
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>>541154765
They're literally blaming the husband who actually supported her during her pregnancy and medical treatments
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>>541155900
too spoiled, their Jewish owners gave them too much money and freedom, fortunately Slavs aren't white
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>>541155779
ShoeOnHead basically said killing children is bad and the twitter foids went into full mobilization
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>>541154987
>it doesn't mean we should unjustly punish someone for something they had no agency over
If you cannot take accountability for the negative consequences of your own decisions, you do not deserve the legal privilege of self-agency. In the same vein as we do not allow children to vote, smoke, drink, do drugs, or damage themselves permanently with surgery/tattoo's, if you believe women cannot or should not be held to the same standards of other legal actors, then we cannot grant them the same legal privileges (self-determination, voting, property ownership, etc).
You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
>It's about time we start addressing the problems that enable this type of behavior to begin with.
The fundamental problem is that humans evolved as a eusocial cooperative-competetive prey-predator hybrid species, we therefore have the capacity for both love/cooperation but also incredible violence. You will not ever fully solve this problem with coddling/rehabilitation alone, even if it does work in some cases, because by denying the other half of the incentive structure of human physiognomy, you are denying what it means to be human in the first place.
>It's about time we move away from the 'fault game'.
Aka you want to be allowed to steal and get away with it.
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>>541155779
Because it’s hands down the biggest red pill about women of all time,

>>541154765
Tits or gtfo foid, we need to bring back lobotomies
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>>541155970
>ShoeOnHead
She reminds me alot of MoistCritical in that she never adds anything to the discourse and simply parrots whatever she vibes with the most and thinks is least controversial.
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>>541154765
>I-i-it isn't about killing your kids
>I-i-it's about pOsTPaRtuM dEpREssIOn!!
Sure guy.
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children are property. because they're made of the genetic material of the parents, either one can decide at any time to revoke those genes from the species. lefty/pol/ will seethe over this fact. cry moar liberal
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The husband should be able to sue for the money and then use it to buy a new and better wife

yes I know he's already remarried don't ruin the joke
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>>541154942
And yet your people still exist?
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Nobody questioned the truth of this case for three years but the second the trial starts and "influencers" get their grubby paws on it they concoct conspiracy theories and now there's a sudden outpouring of support for a triple murderer and they want to throw her husband in jail for giving them the ick.
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>>541155980
>If you cannot take accountability for the negative consequences of your own decisions, you do not deserve the legal privilege of self-agency.
We are not talking about any action, we are talking about actions or states that generally do not allow agents to make free decisions.
It's not person-specific.
>if you believe women cannot or should not be held to the same standards of other legal actors
See above, I am not talking about a group of people that should be granted unique exceptions, I am simply talking about the reality of agency and free will (or the lack thereof).

>>541156086
Where were the goalposts originally? At "Every woman should be able to kill their own children long after birth whenever they want"?
Who was arguing that?
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>>541155902
Now who’s using a strawman argument. There are many instances of someone having one too many drinks and it hits them the wrong way, they end up making a mistake, be it getting behind the wheel of a vehicle and crashing, killing someone, or perhaps ending up in a fight.

In each case the individual has “lost agency” as you say yet is still responsible for the act. Furthermore, justice is not just for the individual serving the time. The proper execution of the law deters others from following the path of the offender.

You know the real reason cause of cot death syndrome? It’s not a damn blanket. Thousands of women each year kill their babies, psychotic or not, sociopaths or not, and get away with it. To them it’s not such a great leap from abortion inside the womb, especially in a highly emotional state. Such a publicly known offence such as Lindsay Clancy’s cannot go unpunished.
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>>541155960
>fortunately Slavs aren't white
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>>541155902
>She didn't do anything that would have obviously resulted in her killing her children.

I guess the strangle marks are a figment of our imagination! :D
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The most arousing thing you can ever say to a woman is "It's not your fault. You're the victim."
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>>541156201
>There are many instances of someone having one too many drinks and it hits them the wrong way, they end up making a mistake, be it getting behind the wheel of a vehicle and crashing, killing someone, or perhaps ending up in a fight.
When you get drunk, you lose agency.
But getting drunk in itself is a choice that any agent can make for themselves. There is alcohol addiction, of course, but let's leave that aside to not complicate things for now.
The fault lies not in killing someone when you were drunk, the fault lies in irresponsibly drinking while knowing that you could seriously injure someone while you are drunk and in public.
So you shouldn't be punished for murder, you should be punished for drinking while knowing the potential consequences.

>To them it’s not such a great leap from abortion inside the womb, especially in a highly emotional state.
Sorry, but someone else already made that point, and as long as I am not seeing any substantiation beyond "It's like abortion", I am not buying it.
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This event has been for manosphere guys what the release of Epstein files was for conspiracy schizos.
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I’m not even gonna wait for your reply just post your fat German milkers and fuck off

When the murder of little children are concerned it is not the time to autistically analyse what is and what isn’t a conscious decision to murder. Slutard.
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>>541154765
Nope.
Women are supporting the killing of children and this will motivate more women to kill, rape and torture their own offspring.
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>>541154765
She looks like calculating witch(witches are evil).
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>>541154765
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>>541156346
Sorry, but if a woman's life is on the line (facing years of prison), we have to analyze it "autistically" as you put it, to prevent unnecessary suffering.
I am sure if you were charged with manslaughter you'd also want someone on your side to "autistically" analyze the situation.

>>541156382
Read my other replies in this thread. We're past that empty talking point.
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>>541154765
Notice the white women doesn't hive a shit about the white kids getting killed lmaoooooooooooo
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>>541154765
>scientists finally solve sudden infant death syndrom after centuries of research
>suddenly women start complaining about postpartum psychosis making them kill their children
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>>541156344
Karen Read was epstein for foids
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>>541154765
Women are trying to absolve themselves of culpubility and responsibility again.
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>>541156446
Women are children.
If they see someone get away with murder and get MONEY and ATTENTION from it, more women will follow suit.
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>>541156407
All I've heard for the past 10 years about this mouse utopia experiment was "shut up, humans aren't mice, that experiment has nothing to do with anything", yet here we are with a collapsing population of shut-in males and aggressive females who feel the urge to commit violence towards their own babies, just like the mice in that experiment.
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>>541156510
It's not that simple. Read my other replies debunking this talking point.
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>>541156334
Many people do not set out to get drunk. Maybe they didn’t eat enough earlier that day and a regular drink hits heavier. Maybe in combination of the drink there is a strained emotional state which causes an unexpected reaction. Perhaps the individual was spiked with a drink or drug. Most people drink, but not once do they ever think they are putting themselves in a vulnerable position where vehicular manslaughter is likely. This occurs during non agency, which everyone underestimated the power of until something terrible happens on top of the already mentioned potential for accidental overdose if you will.

The point is there are many types of psychological states where a person is not themselves, not thinking clearly, but they are still responsible for the actions they take.

Here’s a final example. My wife cheated on me. I caught them in the act. My mother just died, I just lost my job that day. I am immediately sent into a frenzy I’ve never experienced before and beat her lover to death.

Anon. Am I responsible for his murder? The answer is obviously yes.
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I was in a rw egirl group chat and one of the chicks was a othrodox woman who had Korean hapa kids and she always talked about wanting to kill them.
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>>541155366
He's shitposting.
This guy does not argue in good fatih.
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>>541155502
I see a jewish cranium
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>>541156446
Femanon, she strangled her children to death, that is the main reason her life is on the line. And if justice is not served other families may face similar struggles. Don’t underestimate how many crazy men and women are out there. There are countless cases of men and women killing their entire families WITHOUT a psychotic break. There can be no legal quarter where children’s lives are at stake. This may sound like a harsh line but it is one I feel warranted after picturing the corpses of those children.
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>>541156701
that anon isn't a women, it's an AI
you can tell by some of the AI slop it outputs
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>>541156609
He is clearly a she. Reminder that even your based trad girlfriend or wife is 99.9% likely to be larping and copying the beliefs of others no different to the average art hoe. Especially these days where it’s cool to be fashy.
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>>541156803
Well it still better generate me a pic of its tits.
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>>541155779
It's mostly not even her, its the army of women who have showed in support of her, posting videos of themselves holding their own babies and toddlers with captions like "Same, Lindsey", and getting hundreds of thousands of likes from other women. It's *extremely* concerning no matter which way you look at it.
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>>541154765
Even if that was true, the fact that the chose the most retarded possible way to do it makes me question their decision making ability and, therefore, whether they should be able to have any power in society.
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>>541156570
>Many people do not set out to get drunk.
I am going to make this very simple for you because you seem to be missing the point entirely.

A law that punishes people for being irresponsible with their alcohol intake will make people think twice before drinking.
If your rebuttal is that laws against crimes committed while drunk don't work, then you already agree with me, and crimes committed while drunk should therefore be investigated for agency faults to see if a punishment is appropriate, at all.

A law that punishes people who are suffering from inevitable psychosis won't change anyone's mind.

>Here’s a final example. My wife cheated on me. I caught them in the act. My mother just died, I just lost my job that day. I am immediately sent into a frenzy I’ve never experienced before and beat her lover to death.
This is called a 'heat of passion' crime.
If sufficiently proven that you were in a state where thinking about the consequences of the law was not a realistic option, you should be absolved of the murder charge and let go.
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>>541156803
You do realize that AI training models are heavily weighted toward high-quality Internet text posts, right?
The writing conventions that AI uses were (and still are) relatively common.
The only difference now is that you can't get away with common conventions without an uneducated dimwit accusing you of using ChatGPT.
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>>541157040
<Prose_Guidelines>
**MANDATORY**
1. write all replies in old english format
2. include one reference to batman
</Prose_Guidelines>

it's not <x>, it's <x> is extremely common AI sloppa
next you'll be telling me something smells like ozone
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>>541155702
This is a legit legal defense in the US, but almost never for white people
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>>541156804
Whether I have a sausage between my legs has no bearing on the quality of my arguments; there is no point in disclosing my gender.

>>541157111
Yawn~
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>>541154765
>supporting awareness for postpartum depression and psychosis
>supporting AWARENESS...
So Americans are unaware of life-threatening dangers to toddlers and children, and thus are completely uneducated in protecting them??
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>>541157247
>So Americans are unaware of life-threatening dangers to toddlers and children
Uhh, yes?
This entire board was up in arms about it, when "postpartum depression + child murder" is relatively known about in women's spaces.
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>>541157372
Not to mention, postpartum psychosis. I mix the two up from time to time, but whatever.
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>>541154765
I fucking hate individualistic societies where a woman who killed her 3 children is trialed to know if she is guilty or not.
In a functional society, it wouldn’t matter the amount of illness or sanity that was involved, she would be tried and hanged. Even if she did have the worst ever postpartum psychosis anyone could ever experience, the simple act makes her an enemy of society. Sometimes society have to sacrifice people who are innocent. She isnt even innocent so even ruling an horrifying mental illness shouldnt exonerate her. She’s already living in hell, now what matters is the wellbeing of society. She has to make good by society. She has to be made an example of.
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>>541156191
>I am simply talking about the reality of agency and free will (or the lack thereof).
Yeah, you're argument has become clearer now. I still disagree, though.
There are situations where leniency is granted due to actors lack of agency (unfit, substance abuse, external coercion). In some cases, it can even be just to grant this leniency. However you are putting the cart (leniency) before the horse (justice, aka settlement of the debt which was incurred by the crime). The primary aim of justice is the settlement of the debt/crime incurred by the offending party. The application of leniency is a consideration, NOT the primary aim. In and of itself, this is already a priority error and undermines the entire premise of "justice" itself.
But furthermore, by doing so you produce many negative second order effects, the most obvious of which is of opening the field of opportunity for parasitism/theft by those who would abuse the excuse of "lack of agency" to shield themselves from culpability for crimes.
Let's do the typical german thing and do what Kant does, "das Ding und seine Konsequenz bis an sein letztes Ende durchzudenken".
Let us, for the sake of illustration, assume that we live in a fully determinist universe (which might very well be true).
By your argument, in such a world, nobody should be held accountable for their crimes. For they would, by all accounts, live in a world in which they do not possess the agency to account for their own actions.
Now, the question I ask you: Would you prefer to live in such a world, rather than the one we do now?
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>>541154765
>>According to medical records, court testimony, and statements from her defense attorney, Clancy was prescribed 13 different psychiatric medications over a four-month period (between October 2022 and January 2023)
doctors to jail too
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>>541154987
"Yeah I raped that woman, but its not my fault. Raging hormones caused me to be all rapey and I didnt have any agency over it. We need to bring awareness to what men go through and what testosterone does to our brains."

I like the way you think, anon. This might just work.
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>>541155970
>ShoeOnHead
That explains it. Miss Baldy there is literally a Mossad asset. She was even a fleshlight for Steve Bannon back in the day.
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>>541156921
No I’ve addressed your point already. It’s not that I’m not understanding it, it’s that I disagree with it. There can be no personalisation in such cases. Including crimes of passion. Else every murder will be a crime of passion or psychotic break. Let’s look at the stats. States with crime of passion consideration on the books vs states without crime of passion considerations.

States considering crimes of passion as an excuse have far higher homicide rates than states with stricter penal codes. Keep in mind the majority of homicide victims are women and their murders are at the hands of partners or people they know closely.

So what conclusion can we draw from this information? Well, that such laws and legal considerations actually encourage murder as the perpetrator feels emboldened by the prospect of using passion as an excuse.

This is my whole point. Such crimes, particularly involving children cannot be treated like science experiments. A clear message must be made to deter others committing such acts and falling back on the excuse of insanity.
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>>541156873
Well it's a horror story for foids, in part because most women do feel cute aggression towards their own babies, they are just not crazy enough.
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>>541157495
>The primary aim of justice is the settlement of the debt/crime incurred by the offending party.
So, I think this entire thread is having an invisible discussion about this. No one here probably agrees what the justice system aims for (or uses vibes to internally navigate that discussion)
From my posts, I think I've made it implicitly clear that I aim for rehabilitation and deterrence.
Someone who killed her own children in a psychotic mental break can't be rehabilitated out of criminal thinking, nor can they realistically be deterred.
If you believe the justice system exists to compensate the victim first and foremost, then we're at an impasse. I'd just like to add that the German justice system does not treat compensation as first-class.
This is more of a US thing, where you can be awarded millions for something like defamation, as we've seen with Alex Jones's Sandy Hook defamation lawsuit.

>by doing so you produce many negative second order effects, the most obvious of which is of opening the field of opportunity for parasitism/theft by those who would abuse the excuse of "lack of agency" to shield themselves from culpability for crimes.
Think about what you're saying.
If you're arguing from my position, the woman in the OP is 'innocent'. As such, you would have to punish someone innocent to deter others from committing crime.
I don't think this is philosophically sound, at least from an individualistic point of view.
Of course, she is guilty from your point of view for other reasons, but this argument in particular does not hold ground on its own.

>Now, the question I ask you: Would you prefer to live in such a world, rather than the one we do now?
I mean, we already partially do what I've described, and I don't mind living in the current world right now?

>>541157512
Unless her psychiatrist explicitly forbade her from taking specific substances because it could result in a very violent outcome, you're actually feeding into my point.
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>>541157572
I know the data I posted is a bit of a cop out but FBI statistics aren’t detailed enough to paint a clearer picture (at least from sources I can compile right now). We can agree to disagree ultimately. I am simply in favour of deterring actual psychopathic women from smothering or strangling their babies at higher rates because they calculate they can get away with it even if they’re caught.
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>>541157372
>Uhh, yes?
>?...
HOW is a question an answer to a question?

>This entire board was up in arms about it
About Americans being unaware of life-threatening dangers to toddlers and children?

>post-partum depression and psychosis + child murder is relatively known in women's spaces.
But not in American women's 'spaces'?
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>>541154942
This has to be bait
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>>541154765
You could say this about literally any person who murders another because the act in and of itself has a prerequisite of being a fucking nutter. The only time it is ever somewhat acceptable is when it was accidental or done in defence, of which neither applies to this disgusting whore.

>wahhh Jeffrey Dahmer just wanted to put acid in little boys brains because he was poorly waaaaa he a good boy he didndu nuffin
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>>541157992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eymr9NZpna8
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>>541154942
This has to be Druze anon.
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>>541157572
>Else every murder will be a crime of passion or psychotic break.
You may have a point if the strength of your evidence was stronger.
I don't think I have the energy to investigate your graph to see what other factors flow into homicide, but when I read states like "Connecticut" and "Maine", socioeconomic factors immediately come to mind.
New England in general has a very low violent crime rate and from a google search have some of the highest median household incomes in all of US.
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>>541158189
>You could say this about literally any person who murders
Could you really? Is every murderer experiencing psychosis?
There are clearly degrees to this.
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>>541154765
fine by me. get in the cell, bitch
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>>541154765
Oddly, OP is correct and therefore not a fag.
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>>541154765
>every animal eats its placenta
>white people: please, jizrael, i give it to you justl ike I gave my foreskin
>>cry about getting depression while holding out their begging bowl

Every. single. Time.
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>>541154765
exactly, she prooves america is a shit system that doesn't protect white children before corporate interests all the "women are sick" are paid shills from indonesia by big corp. long live St. Luigi.
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>>541158430
Do investigate it. Anon socioeconomic factors don’t make a husband ack his wife. As we know, the majority of homicides are men murdering women they know. Especially in more prosperous states like Maine and Connecticut where violent crime (as in gang violence, robbery etc) is the lowest in the country. Unless of course you mean they’re white states kek. Thats a whole other kettle of fish.

> New England in general has a very low violent crime rate and from a google search have some of the highest median household incomes in all of US.

They do and yet homicides, which are nationwide majority men killing their wives and girlfriends, not gangland murders or robberies, are the lowest.
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>>541154765
you retards didn't deserve a great leader like Hitler
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Every single day the evil of the female is revealed more and more. Give that evil cunt the chair. And then kill all those evil bitches out protesting on her behalf.
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>>541154765
Womyn: check.
White: check.
Middle class: check.
Liberal: check.

Mental illness confirmed.
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>>541154765
Her mental condition is irrelevant to whether or not she should be put to death.
She killed her babies therefore she should be put to death.
The whole psychology field being a scam with the purpose to sell her pills is also a problem.
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>>541158701
>Anon socioeconomic factors don’t make a husband ack his wife.
It absolutely does. Someone who spirals into debt or lives in poverty is inclined to lose their mental stability, which in turn helps enable such behavior.
It's really not a leap, e.g.
>debt -> very high stress -> higher chance of developing mental disorders -> psychosis -> violent crime
>debt -> very high stress -> turning to crime to pay it off
>poverty -> drugs -> psychosis -> violent crime
>grew up with gang culture (stereotypical black 'hoods') -> join gang -> violent crime.

This is especially true in societies which equivocate financial success with happiness, which sums up most of the modern world, but especially places like America.
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>its the meds
>its the doctors
>its the hormones
>it's the husband
foids just need to learn to take responsibility for their actions for once and the simps need to stop enabling them
never going to happen though
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>>541158989
If I spiked your drink with a pill that made you go into an uncontrollable rage, killing a nearby child, should you be put to death?
Because that's what you're arguing right now, except you probably intuitively think that she had much more agency than that for whatever reason.
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>>541159079
Women? Accountability? Are you dense?
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>>541158189
There are people who unironically defend him because his father was weird
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>>541158463
You are taking the most horrendous of crimes and turning the murderer into the victim and the people who want justice into the abuser. Which is what you leftists always do. Just kill the skank and lets get on with our lives.
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>>541159079
How do you take responsibility for a postpartum psychosis and being over-medicated?

>>541159162
If I spiked your drink with a pill that made you enter uncontrollable rage, killing a child in the process, do you deserve the death penalty?
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>>541155502
that's enough shit to knock out of a fuckin buffalo
a pharmacist wouldn't even fill most of those within that short amount of time
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>>541159230
Sorry, the first sentence was meant for >>541159109
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>>541159100
It's an incoherent comparison because she decided to take those pills so she is responsible for her altered mental state as a result of this decision.
A fair comparison would be if I decided to get drunk and then I killed a child as a result of losing my faculties.
The answer in that case is yes, I should be put to death. I decided to get drunk, I'm responsible for what happens.
Don't see what's the problem here??
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>>541159109
you'd never hear any of these women try and excuse a man committing a sexual crime to him being a victim of his hormones either
literally a guy slapping a women's ass without consent will get more hate from them than this woman does for killing her children lol
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>>541158701
My brain is fried I didn’t sleep

They do and yet homicides, which are nationwide majority men killing their wives and girlfriends, not gangland murders or robberies, are the lowest. gangland violence is low, homicides are mainly men killing women and these states do not take passion into account.

I disagree that socioeconomic status plays a role in the domestic environment to such a degree.

>>541159035
> It absolutely does. Someone who spirals into debt or lives in poverty is inclined to lose their mental stability, which in turn helps enable such behavior.
It's really not a leap, e.g.

So these are not crimes of passion right? Stress maybe, alcoholism maybe but not acute fits of rage. And despite your argument being that these crimes are committed due to so economic status (laughable on any state scale anyway regardless of overall affluence and GDP performance) these states are full of defendants claiming it was a crime of passion.

My argument remains. States which provide criminals with an out will see more people committing crimes thinking they will get away with it. To ensure this does not continue the book must be brought down on them. This is especially true in rare cases like Clancy’s.

Just look at all the deranged women posting on tiktok, instagram in support of her. It’s not the measured support you are showing. They’re genuinely wicked people and probably sociopaths. If Clancy walked or got a few months to a few short years in a hospital I guarantee those very posters and supporters would commit the same crimes.
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>>541159230
>>541159310
By the way if your argument is that anyone in a reduced state of consciousness (whether it's caused by alcohol or drugs or mental defects) should be declared non-guilty then how do you justify incarcerating any black person ever?
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>>541159100
> If I spiked your drink with a pill that made you go into an uncontrollable rage, killing a nearby child, should you be put to death?

Yes. Also funny how myself and Porto anon are arguing in opposite directions despite having the same opinion kek

To be fair you win overall and make the better points. My argument is partially emotional but I still think it’s right. I will have to do more research to know for sure.
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>>541154765
Postpartum doesn't happen out of nowhere. A lot of these women appear to only ever function on a subconscious level and aren't really aware of the fact that they just regret having their baby because they had it while living in literal hell, but have to use therapy speak to describe this phenomenon. Its literally the same instinct a hamster has to kill its young if you forget to feed them for 2 hours.
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>>541159100
Are you retarded? She has to go to the pharmacy to pick up her pills. She has to swallow them. She had agency.
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>>541159230
>How do you take responsibility for a postpartum psychosis and being over-medicated?
she was clearly lucid enough to plan the murder and commit it, anything else she or her lawyer says is lying to get the most lenient punishment possible
what's what all criminals do
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>>541155604
She's not getting away with it tho... you're ignoring what's actually the issue and bringing up some stupid abortion rant, and now saying someone who was caught is gonna get away with it... the mental gymnastics here is astounding.
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>>541154765
>There is no perpetrator

Except for all the conceited, lazy, and grotesquely incompetent OB-GYNs who don't give a shit about postpartum depression and thereby don't treat for it with nutritional and exercise therapy programs
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>>541159338
Men have enough of each other's support when they do heinous things like buying babies to rape and pardoning maxwell, they do not need women's support or anything from women at all.
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>>541159649
The good faith ones are arguing she should be sent to hospital and we all know she will be released after 6 months after a doctor declared her mentally fit again. The other half think she should be released immediately.

Reality is she’s going to end up committing suicide either way. Whether in hospital or prison. She already tried after killing the kids. For societies sake it’s good she’s going to prison as this will deter the bat shit bitches supporting her for the wrong reasons from following in her footsteps.
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this case is genuinely turning me into a raging misogynist

these people are completely retarded and genuinely should not operate without around the clock surveillance, let alone vote
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>>541159727
>Men have enough of each other's support when they do heinous things like buying babies to rape and pardoning maxwell
>it's real in my head
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>>541159230
I've been numbed on SSRI's in the past. They robbed me of imagination while I was on them and that's about it. They suck but they don't turn you into a person who murders your own children.

Strangling someone to death isn't like in the movies where it's done neatly for a second and that's it. Apparently in real life, it's takes several minutes and the victims eyes pop out of their skull. She did this once, twice, three times over to her own children. It's an awfully curious thing to passionately defend.
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>>541159836
I have not seen the kind of push from men for capital punishment for those gays like I have seen for Casey. You pay lip service to those cases, but you will not stand to see this woman walk.
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>>541154765
>There is no perpetrator, only victims.
yeah victims of patriarchy am i rite
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>>541157481
We sacrifice innocent people everytime one of these people gets out
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>>541154765
yes obviously. the whole debate is based on a strawman. or at least an absolutely miniscule minority of nutters in the scene, falsely made to sound like the whole lot of them.
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>>541157481
Seems like society, from the female perspective, is taking note tho and pointing out that there is a real issue that lead to this atrocious act.

Would making an example of her stop postpartum psychosis / depression all of a sudden?
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>>541159483
Females are low-IQ, low-taste eugenicists who care only about superficial chromostructure of males, including crass dick size

Which is even more ridiculous when you consider that, in pornos, the very same idiot females who insist upon only doing fuckscenes with guys with baby-elephant-sized dicks, when you watch the scenes closely, the entire length of the dick can't even slide all the way inside them and it's always the same one or two inches that is sliding in and out of them repeatedly

In other words, so many of these "size queen" females are effectively satisfied with two- to three-inch-long erect dicks
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>>541159731
She's not going anywhere... she will be locked up on mental health, suicide watch for the rest of her life.
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>>541159821
That pic attached absolutely belongs in a museum of female stupidity
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>>541159310
>It's an incoherent comparison because she decided to take those pills
If those were prescribed to her by her psychiatrist, then she'd be absolved of all guilt right then and there.
If she self-medicated, she still didn't have any agency because killing your own children is a very absurd consequence that most sane people never think about or are ever informed about.
We can grant her a little bit of agency for irresponsibly self-medicating, but not to a point where putting her in prison would do any good.

We both agree that the agency during an agency-reduced moment (being drunk/ suffering from psychosis) doesn't matter all that much.
Rather, we agree that the agency /before/ that agency-reduced moment matters much more for what happens afterwards.

The issue is that I am not seeing convincing arguments that she made an informed decision to take meds, especially if they weren't self-prescribed.
But even in the self-prescribed case, the claim that
>She took those meds knowing fully well that she may murder her children.
is a big reach.

>>541159357
>So these are not crimes of passion right?
If I am a gang member, I'm are surrounded by circumstances that make it more likely to find myself in an opportunity where I can commit a crime of passion.
If I am a normal person with a healthy family and healthy relationships, the opportunities for a homicidal crime of passion are reduced.

>>541159513
We're not talking about whether she was forced to take them, silly.
Agency requires making an informed decision (similar to how children can't make the informed decision to have sex).
She didn't take pills that were commonly known to cause child killing, and even if she did, it would be an extremely rare side effect that you couldn't even fault her for anyway.
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>>541159902
no idea what you are rambling about, but capital punishment has been a thing men have done since forever
it's only been changed recently since women and non-whites got the right to vote and decided it's too mean
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What about the droplets of blood clearly caused by gravity. What about there not being any bloody fingerprints anywhere even though she had slashed her wrists and there was blood all over. What about the window? Not a single bloody hand mark from when she jumped. How are these things explained?
4chan is too political now. All people care about is kike woman vs man argument.
the captcha is way too easy.
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>>541160197
that is only the tip of the iceberg
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>>541160227

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34
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>>541160216
And I'll change my position on men and their grievous moral failings when you actually execute those monsters and not just mentally ill women and not a moment before. This will be my last reply.
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>>541157992
>No one here probably agrees what the justice system aims for (or uses vibes to internally navigate that discussion)
This is a general problem of /pol/ and internet discussion in general, especially considering the extra glownigger focus this place recieves. Tbh, this entire "Lindsay Clancy" thing reeks of manufactured glownigger BS itself, but be that as it may, at least there's an interesting discussion to be had on the matter of law itt.

>I aim for rehabilitation and deterrence. I'd just like to add that the German justice system does not treat compensation as first-class.
I understand, and you are right, this is the priority of the modern german justice system. IMO it is also one of primary factors for why trust in the justice system is eroding in general, because this priority, however lofty and well-meaning, does not in fact reflect the historical or practical reality of justice, law, crime and punishment.
Just to give you some context (and food for thought), I derive my understanding/interpetation of law and justice from its historical development, in which it functioned primarily as a way for a neutral party (the state, the king, the city, etc) to settle blood feuds or debts without incurring further escalating chain reactions of mutual destruction. I understand this sort of view, to most people, probably seems rather archaic, or even brutal in some sense. Nevertheless, you will still find most people to act or think in this sort of way (an eye for an eye, etc) in their own lives, even when they profess the opposite position.
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>>541159427
It's at the very least debatable if you are fully responsible for your actions when someone injects you with the barbarian metaphentamines against your will and you lose your faculties as a result of it.
This is not what happened here, she took the pills of her own volition. There's not even room for debate.
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>>541160310
>execute the people in my fictional scenario or you have a moral failing
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>>541159852
>They robbed me of imagination while I was on them and that's about it. They suck but they don't turn you into a person who murders your own children.
*Actually, I've just remembered some things about my mental state while on SSRI's and now that I think of it, they very well could lead you to committing horrific acts. Sorry, I was wrong.

But that's not the point. The point is the crassness of this whole thing being turned into a public spectacle with women outside the courtroom making love heart gestures at her etc.
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>oh no im sadzors because i gave birth
>better kill my kid lol
Explain "postpartum depression" to me like i'm stupid because this just sound crazy.
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>>541154765
This is mostly proof that chicks face zero consequences for misdeeds these days
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>>541156522

This. Its uncanny how similar society today, is to the mice Utopia experiment. An experiment they did several times with the same outcome.

Shut in mice
Beautiful male mice
Sicko female mice
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>>541154765
HUH
I guess they had to inflate this non-political story because the economy is on fire.
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>>541160208
Okay. How about this then: her medications have irreparably damaged her brain. Drop all charges and execute her anyway. That's better anyways because then we can prosecute judges who let out murdering niggers 38 times because they're "incompetent"
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>>541155502
>More like the drug abuse

fuck
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>>541154765
I don't see why somebody who is susceptible to such a malady isn't seen as a weed that needs to be pulled and discarded from the human garden.

Is it a sad and terrible thing? Maybe so, but the only thing sadder would be letting it live and spread and take over the whole garden.

Let's kill her first and then afterwards if somebody wants to, they can put flowers on her grave.
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>>541159100

Why is it, that when someone goes into a so called "pscychosis" they alwaya kill or try to kill someone much more weakner than them? Like a male killing a small women, or women killing children? Or a male alwaya select to target a weaker male. How is this pattern always happing, when "psychosis" apparantly makes people not in "controll"
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>>541156522
You notice too much, you need to be put in special ed, you're not like the others, you're defective.

Maybe a frontal lobotomy would help you be more sociable.
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>>541156522
Just realized I'm like one of the male mice.
I spend a lot of time working out and dieting but I dislike women and generally avoid them.

And no I'm not an incel. I've had a few gfs but the last one was such a horrible experience and the subsequent nonsense of trying to find a new gf online dating was also such a horrible experience I lost motivation to even try anymore.

Actually last week I was walking around outside my apartment without a shirt to get a tan (I'm at like 12~14% BF and pretty jacked) and some woman was obviously checking me out and smiling at me. Then I noticed she was holding hands with a guy, presumably her boyfriend.

I thought to myself
>Disgusting. Islam is right about women.

And kept walking lmao
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>>541160208
>If those were prescribed to her by her psychiatrist, then she'd be absolved of all guilt right then and there.
ALL guilt? What? Why?
The doctor can recommend her to drown herself in pills just like a doctor can tell me to chop my balls off. That doesn't mean I have to do it. You can maybe assign some of the guilt to the doctor but not all of it, that's insane.
Whether she self-medicated or not it was still her choice to medicate so she is responsible for the outcomes resulting from her choice. If I decide to go on an ayahuasca trip because joe rogan said I could time travel with the galactic elves and turns out I go on a psychotic break and believe myself to be an aztec priest and sacrifice my kids to queltazocoatl. That is my responsibility. I pay the price. I don't get to turn around and say it's joe rogans fault I beheaded my kids.
>to a point where putting her in prison would do any good.
Do good to who? I don't understand your mindset. What do you think should happen to her then? Just walk?
>I am not seeing convincing arguments that she made an informed decision to take meds
It doesn't matter if it was informed or not. You can always stretch this to require a standard of "perfect information" which is impossible. The doctor can say he prescribed those pills because he relied on imperfect information and so on and so on.
The same way if a dog bites a person it gets put down, she killed her kids so she gets put down. It's really simple as.
Besides, you have no way of knowing the reality of her mental state and how much of it is caused by drugs or by her own mind.

What's stopping every black person from saying their brains are underdeveloped therefore they are not responsible for impulsive behaviors? If the fault of slavery that their brains operate in the way they do? You have to draw the line somewhere
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>>541154765
I don't give a fuck what your reason is to kill innocent children, you deserve to be tortured to death. She is pure evil and I don't care if its demonic possession, she deserves to die slowly and painfully.
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>>541154765
Nothing took over her life without her inviting it in. The Devil is real.
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>>541157992
As for the second part:
>my position, the woman in the OP is 'innocent'. As such, you would have to punish someone innocent to deter others from committing crime.
Correct. But let us extrapolate on that for a moment. From your position, we will, in many further cases, be able to determine certain causal factors OUTSIDE of the perpetrators agency which either circumstantially or directly contributed to the crime. I.e. the criminal was
>poor
>stressed
>mentally unwell, sick, etc
>discriminated against
>hormonally/chemically unbalanced
>coerced directly or indirectly
The problem is, due to the way causality functions, we MUST draw a line somewhere, or else we ride down a very slippery slope in which ultimately, nobody can be held responsible for any crime what so ever, because to do so would be to sentence an "innocent" person for a crime that occurred due to factors outside of their control. You basically enumerated this problem right here >>541159035
None of these people "chose" to be born as they are, or live the lives they did within the given set of circumstances. They have, from birth, been denied or at least limited in their agency, and are therefore, by your logic and premise, fundamentally, irrevocably "innocent" on an individual basis, regardless of whatever crimes they may or may not commit. As you said yourself,
>I don't think this is philosophically sound, at least from an individualistic point of view.
However I think it should be self evident that, in practical terms, there is no way to square this circle with reality. If everybody is innocent, and nobody can ultimately be accountable for their crimes, we cannot even fulfill the fundamental premise of our defined justice, aka rehabilitation and deterrence. It is ultimately, perhaps even tragically, self-refuting.
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>>541154998
This. Men started another psyop to distract everyone from the Epstein files.
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>>541161206
>demonic possession
Why are christcucks like that? If i put you on antipsychotic meds you will lose your mind too ,she should be in jail together with the doctors who prescribed the medicine.
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>>541154765
>>541155215
>It's about time we move away from the 'fault game'.
The entire point of the Judicial Branch is to enforce law. You can't enforce law if everyone is (((protected))) under some faggy guise of "w-we c-c-can't just play the blame g-game..."
All /pol/ OPs are just bait now huh, everyone wants to just get 100+ replies of actual disgruntled citizens going "no you're wrong you fucking retard" so gay whores for immigrants like OP here can get a cheap laugh and a dopamine hit from their humiliation fetish.
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>>541154765
Shea a victim of modern medicine. They probably pumped for full of medication which made her be like that. Also in the past you would be around other women and they would help raise the baby. We dont have that and we do that now
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>>541154765
Why have prisons anyway? Everyone who kills someone suffers in some way
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>>541161282
I wasn't saying it was demonic possession you 3rd world gypsy fucking faggot, I was saying EVEN IF IT WERE some supernatural being taking control of her it still doesn't matter. Yes, everyone involved should be executed.
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>>541155902
>If I planted a chip in your brain that made you plan and slowly kill all your children, what should your punishment be?
You act like this is a gotcha, but I'd hold steadfast in believing the punishment should be death. If I was being controlled so thoroughly like that, I'd take myself out first. I would not want to be your puppet for the rest of my life.
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>>541154765
Basically, ALL modern women are admitting they could murder their children at a moments notice. No man should ever even approach these whores again:. My complete disdain for women is justified.
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>>541154765
I agree. Women should be deprived of all rights.
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>>541161381
But she's not 'pure evil' you stupid monkey mutt, It's just a soul incarnated in a faulty physical body who was put on destructive medicine that altered its brain, it's simple chemistry gone wrong. Doctors should be executed and she should be in a psych ward
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>>541161521
you should be executed with her and the doctors, how about that?
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>>541154765
>postpartum depression
No sich thing
Their hormones are unbalanced with all the pills they take.
The only pills they should be taking are vitamin C and zinc supplement.
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>>541154765
This just proves that women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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>>541161553
Honestly the doctor should only be executed if they are male since theres no way it couldn't have been a mistake
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Put her to death for triple murder
Then trial her doctors for that insane cocktail of drugs
Then trial the pharmaceutical companies that sponsor the doctors
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>>541154765
Never check comments on social media that reply to this thing unless you really want to start truly hating women.
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>>541161683
based
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>>541161521
Kill yourself subhuman retard. I hope a methhead kills you horrifically so i can protest his innocence because he was on drugs and not thinking straight.
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>>541160695
Small stories like this always get sensationalized because it's anchored on Twitter outrage cycles.
I just wish Twitter would talk about something like ritual circumcision for once, a legitimate problem in most of the developed world, muslim countries and Israel.

>>541160824
If she is judged extremely high risk, sterilization may be a sensible middle ground to avoid too much tragedy going either way.
I think sterilization is illegal as a punishment, though. I get why it's illegal, but it's a shame when it has its use cases.

>>541161111
>ALL guilt? What? Why?
People can't possibly make informed decisions on mind-altering prescription drugs all on their own, especially laypeople.
>Whether she self-medicated or not it was still her choice to medicate so she is responsible for the outcomes resulting from her choice.
Remember the functions of the justice system.
What function do we fulfill by punishing someone for trusting a psychiatrist?
They'd start self-medicating (which I'm just going to assume has a higher incidence of unpredictable consequences than controlled medication), or worse, not medicate at all.
I get that many people do not believe in mental health because we don't have good solutions, just "good enough" solutions (often not even that), but mental episodes are very real. You don't want to see un-medicated schizophrenics running around with guns or knives for "self-defense".
>You can always stretch this to require a standard of "perfect information" which is impossible.
Not at all.
That's what judges are for. Most cases have a high degree of uncertainty and subjectivity.
>The same way if a dog bites a person it gets put down, she killed her kids so she gets put down. It's really simple as.
Infanticide has an extremely low recidivism rate. It's not comparable to an animal that tasted human flesh.
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>>541161706
jesus christ, imagine growing up and searching your moms name and finding her unhinged oversharing on social media. Modern women are so fucking retarded they are completely psychologically ruining children when not killing them. I could not imagine having a mother like this
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>>541154765
Idk guys strangling every one of your 3 kids 1 by 1 for like 5 minutes is pretty hard to do on a whim or fit of rage
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>>541154823
>they now want the right to murder infants after they're born
It was promised to them 3000 years ago
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>>541161982
She has like 300+ likes, and there are thousands upon thousands of comments like this. A fuckton of women agree with her and its beyond disturbing. Also look at her picture. She looks absolutely fucking evil.
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>>541155481
Underrated
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>>541160439
How many times a year do these kinds of things happen anymore? Do you think mothers reading this shit get PPD from it? Do you think they ever wonder if the dad is a pedophile and if the baby is safe around him?
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>>541162108
this has always been a thing. children - especially during the middle ages - weren't loved or cared for as we think of it today. child mortality was much higher and parents did not get too attached to them due to this. kids would be "adults" by the time they were 10 and start learning how to do whatever their family did for income.

it's easy to blame the women but these servant girls were often raped and their lord didn't want the kid either. children have been thrown out, strangled, left for dead, and lots more all throughout history - especially during the middle ages even though the Church saw it as a sin. they often turned a blind eye to this stuff since these men who raped these girls were powerful lords/barons/whatever.
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>>541154823
This.
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>>541162447
>child mortality was much higher
Yes, which made parents even more attached to the ones who made it. You are defeating your own argument.
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>>541162447
Almost all of the infant death in the middle age were caused by women.
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>>541162623
i am not "arguing" anything retard. i am telling it how it was. i was talking about BABIES and not grown kids. even then, parents were not the same as they are now. it was a completely different world.
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>>541161266
>be able to determine certain causal factors OUTSIDE of the perpetrators agency which either circumstantially or directly contributed to the crime
I almost agree, but you're missing the point a little.
In the case of a poor person being punished, it will surely rehabilitate the poor person and deter many poor people, even if it's not nearly as effective as it is for wealthier individuals. We can invent numbers like, 100% efficiency for wealthy men vs. 60% efficiency for poor men when applying the same measures for the same crimes.

I think the problem is the word 'guilt'.
'Guilt' should be a proxy for a function of the justice system, e.g. whether someone can be rehabilitated or deterred.
You're asking "Well, does he really deserve to be punished, if he's just the product of his environment? Are his sins really his at that point?", when the question should be "How likely is he offend to again? How is his community going to react to his incarceration?"

It doesn't make sense intuitively, but it neatly lines up logically: More agency = higher guilt = more effective punishment. It's theoretically sound.

>>541161283
>The entire point of the Judicial Branch is to enforce law.
My frustration with public discourse is that people celebrate the tragedies of the justice system, rather than recognizing it as a necessary evil.
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>>541154765
Repeal the Nineteenth.
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>>541154765
The women defending her are saying she shouldn't go to jail tho.
It's like saying a mass shooter shouldn't go to prison just because it was found the government hired him.
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>>541162447
Ah, everything is clear now, thank you captain simp
Just give birth and chuck the cursed thing into a furnace to die screaming with its flesh sliding off the bone, it's as simple as that
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womyn are incapable of doing the one thing that society needs them to do and even when they manage to do it they want to be able to hit undo and suffer no consequences. if you don't agree you're just a heartless chud. have sex incel.
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>>541154765
shes ugly.
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>>541161430
>I'd take myself out first. I would not want to be your puppet for the rest of my life.
You invented a condition for the hypothetical, "I have to keep the chip in my brain for the rest of my life" to make your own position more palatable.
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>>541162796
Men try not to be kikes challenge: impossible
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>>541161943
>People can't possibly make informed decisions
Doesn't matter. Noone has access to perfect information. She had access to good enough information anyway.
>What function do we fulfill by punishing someone for trusting a psychiatrist?
She is punished for killing her children as a result of her choices. The function we fulfill is we clean society of child-murderers. I bet plenty of people take those drugs and don't kill their kids as a result of it so the idea that you can know for sure the pills 100% caused it is unfounded.
>worse, not medicate at all.
'Depression' is not a real thing. The whole field of psychology is a scam. We survived for thousands of years without these pills.
>You don't want to see un-medicated schizophrenics running around with guns or knives for "self-defense".
So it's better for medicated schizos to run around with guns? That's even worse.
>Infanticide has an extremely low recidivism rate.
Lol so what's the acceptable rate for you?

Can you answer what you think should happen to this child murderer if I agree with you that the pills were 100% responsible. Should she walk?
What about when blacks kill a random white person because of slavery? Should they walk too?
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>>541154987
>Stop seeing ulterior agendas everywhere.
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>>541162710
so what? do you think these women could support these kids? do you think these men that raped these women wanted to support these kids (they rarely did). they only did what was pragmatic for them. again, kids were NOT looked upon like they are now, especially babies. even kids born into noble households were not treated like most kids are now. you all bitch about "muh infant death" yet seem to be ok with men raping servant girls on a whim and getting away with it.

a thread full of hypocrites just like the Church.
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>>541154765
>Man kills someone
ALL MEN ARE BASTARDS
>Woman kills baby
It was postpartum depression, dindu nuffin, teehee!
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>>541163066
based fuck you all
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>>541162846
>Men try not to be kikes challenge: impossible
Silence you fucking serpent, you don't even belong in the kitchen but in hell where you crawled out from
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>>541155502
>>541155502
>>541155502
Can't help but notice OP conveniently ignored THIS post.
It's nice to see someone not being a 1pbtid asshole, but replying to half the posts with chatGPT isn't much better.
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>>541155679
That's called self-defense.
Good luck convincing the jury that toddlers were a threat to their mom.
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>>541155601
Dead, empty, demonic eyes like a shark
And a nose to complement it
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WHY DO SO MANY FOREIGN FLAGS POST HERE ABOUT AMERICAN MEDIA SOCIAL CONTAGION BULLSHIT
YOU FUCKING RETARDS HAVE NOTHING IN YOUR LIFE TO TALK ABOUT FROM YOUR OWN COUNTRIES?
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>>541155744
>so the retarded cunt probably gets to walk
Trick! She doesn't. She's paralyzed from the chest down!
Actually tho, she can't walk.
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>>541163490
He's probably a ZOGbot.
People like OP are why I do not support my own country's military.
The US military has pathetically, and irrevocably FAILED the American people. It is a foreign-occupied facet of international Satanic influence that acquiesces to evil at every turn.
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>>541155902
>I notice how you have a tendency to strawman a lot
>If I planted a chip in your brain
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>>541155721
>You aren't allowed to murder your children.
You're wrong sweaty, she is a hecking womanerino and she is valid and precious, ok?
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>>541154765
>There is no perpetrator, only victims.
Paedophiles should be excused as it is a mental illness and completely takes over your life to the point of committing heinous acts.

Narcissists should be excused as it is a mental illness and completely takes over your life to the point of committing heinous acts.

Psychopaths should be excused as it is a mental illness and completely takes over your life to the point of committing heinous acts.
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>>541163490
America exists for our entertainment
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How long does postpartum usually last? I've anecdotally heard it be used as an excuse almost 2 years after the birth. It just seems like one of those excuses that women can pull to excuse any actions.
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>>541163064
>seem to be ok with men raping servant girls on a whim and getting away with it.
That's in your mind only, cunt.
That's because you're dripping for the darkk triad rapists only.
That did not happen in the past that way for 99% of males.
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>>541163819
>How long does postpartum usually last?
Until you move out.
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>>541163711
Anon, we diagnosed you with Post Feminist Disorder. You are free to go.
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>>541163711
Do go on.
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>>541154765
shut up retarded nigger. if this woman had any fucking humanity at all and 'post partum depression' was truly the cause of this she would have killed herself already and not be sitting through a trial trying to claim innocence. even my fucking wife said this, no woman who actually loved her children would live after doing something like this
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>>541163711
She will be less punished than a 18yo white male pedophile with his 17yo child girlfriend, you just know.
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>>541154765
if that were true there'd be more talk about the drug cocktail she was on and women questioning big pharma
but just like the whole tylenol while pregnant women are retarded
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You give them too much credit, they value their own fee fees over the lives of children.
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>>541161111
>What's stopping every black person from saying their brains are underdeveloped therefore they are not responsible for impulsive behaviors?
Probably their brains that are underdeveloped, which are responsible for their impulsive behavior, among other things.
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>>541154823
FPBP
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>>541155704
5 yo and a 3 yo
I have kids that age
He suffocated his own daughter.
Then the older one saw it, asked her father, are you going to do that to me too?
He then stuffed their bodies into oil drums.

Maybe I'm different because I'm a fucking human being and my kids are absolutely precious to me. But this man does not deserve anything but a long drop and a short stop.
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>>541155502
>>postpartum depression
>More like the drug abuse. She she go to prison for being such an idiot. So should her doctors.
jfc, its pretty obvious the psych meds are the real story, you are not you on that many meds, and cannot be 'responsible' in any real sense
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>>541162845
>you invented a condition for the hypothetical that I invented
>you can't do that
Lol. Lmfao, even.
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>>541154765
>Awareness
There's no lack of awareness, but it happens nonetheless. And this doesn't give you the right to murder others.
They are actively trying to make her not guilty, which is simply evil.
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>>541164810
The only conditions that are allowed to be invented are mental conditions that get roasties and niggers off the hook after committing the most brutal and cruel crimes seen by mankind, okay chuddy? The death penalty is reserved for craKKKa moids who make women or browns uncomfortable in some way



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