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>>541159374
The attacker was the kikes OP. Always was.

>>541159374
There are still some people that will call you an idiot for questioning the science.
A few weeks ago my doctor asked me how I would handle the pandemic.
I told him I would definitely not force anyone to take the vaccine.
He almost lost his marbles.

>>541159565
That doesn’t make any sense.
They got vaccinated too.

>>541159606
Exactly this.How can a doctor take his own job so completely unseriously?
I just don’t get it anymore.

>>541159374
>Because of that 2021 substance we’re now seeing extreme waves of deaths and cancer, even in children.
Numbers or it's all bullshit.

>>541159374
>AI slop image
You're chattel.

>>541159374
First of all, TOTAL KIKE DEATH.

Now.
See how this propaganda conflates being against the vaxx with being an aliens-tard?
"Those people against the vaxx, they are dumb conspiracy theorists. Youre not dumb and chud like them are you, goy? I mean, guy?'"

>german flag
Who knows what trash sits behind this but it ain't a German.

Total kike death
Total nigger death
Total pajeet death
Find the big pharma people. Kill them. Kill their children in front of them before killing them.
Find the shills like OP. Kill him.
Kill OPs family in front of him before killing him.

>>541159841
And this is exactly the problem. You see a post criticizing institutions and immediately turn it into racial hatred and fantasies about murdering Jews, Indians, black people, and children.

That hatred has nothing to do with figuring out whether pharmaceutical companies, governments, AI systems, or anyone else actually did something wrong. It replaces evidence with ethnicity and accountability with collective guilt.

If humanity eventually destroys itself, this kind of thinking will be one of the reasons: people become so consumed by tribal hatred that they stop investigating what actually happened and start looking for entire groups to blame.

Criticize institutions. Investigate individuals. Demand evidence and accountability. But the moment your answer becomes “kill an ethnicity and their children,” you've abandoned the search for truth entirely.

>>541159719
That's exactly the problem I'm talking about. I'm not claiming that "I see more cancer around me" is sufficient evidence that vaccines caused it.

The problem is that headline statistics depend heavily on how the data are collected: age standardization, expected-vs-observed baselines, reporting delays, diagnostic rates, population changes, cause-of-death coding, and which time periods you compare. A method can be statistically legitimate and still be poorly suited to detecting a particular change.

So there are three different layers here: the official measurement, the underlying empirical reality, and people's subjective observations. If those diverge, the answer isn't "my anecdotes prove it," but neither is it "the headline number says nothing happened."

That's precisely why I want the raw age-stratified incidence and mortality data, methodology, and comparable pre/post-2021 cohorts. If my hypothesis is wrong, that should show up there. If it's right, it should too. Numbers matter, but so does understanding how those numbers were constructed.

>>541159719
And that's the deeper point: you don't even have to assume the vaccine is deadly to see the problem I'm pointing at.

Imagine for the sake of argument that it ultimately turns out to be completely harmless long-term. The disturbing question would remain: how did enormous parts of the global population end up taking a newly developed medical product while important long-term outcome data necessarily did not yet exist?

How did a handful of epidemiological indicators, models, risk estimates and policy assumptions become sufficient to justify decisions on that scale? Were absolute and relative risks communicated correctly? Were age groups differentiated enough? Which assumptions turned out to be wrong?

You don't need a depopulation conspiracy for that question to matter. The systemic risk itself is interesting: if institutions can collectively misinterpret data, amplify one another's assumptions and then implement a decision across billions of people, what happens the next time they're wrong?

>>541160307
So WTF am I supposed to make of this?

Trump talks about the vaccine as if it genuinely helps humanity: one of mankind's greatest achievements, it protects people, people aren't dying when they take it.

But within my theory, it doesn't help us at all. And if Trump actually understood what was happening and believed this technology was helping humanity overcome the coming crises, then I would expect him to talk about it in exactly these terms.

But that's where I get confused: if this was really about overcoming the crises ahead and stabilizing humanity, then why are we simultaneously moving toward major wars and geopolitical escalation anyway?

That's the part I can't reconcile. Either Trump genuinely believes the vaccine is beneficial and doesn't see whatever larger pattern I'm talking about, or I'm misunderstanding what role he plays in this whole thing.

Because "this technology is saving humanity" and "the world is simultaneously being pushed toward another massive war" don't fit together particularly well in my current interpretation.

So yeah, I genuinely don't know what to make of this.

I also do not understand. AI totally crashed CS, graphics etc. Those people are losing their jobs en masse. What is happening. People are asleep..

>>541159625
>it doesnt make any sense, jim jones would never drink the coolaid, he knew what was in it!
anon, i...
>>541160560
>why escalation
ok this is just basic great power struggle anon. let us set aside for a moment our personal depth of knowledge on ai control theory and safety research, and how ai is a serious existential risk, because we have to talk about the retarded ruling caste of the world and their retarded view.
you have a benign state that caused pax americana, which has brought more people out of poverty and powerlessness than anything in history. best of all, it has let us, this historically enormous caste of elites, make a shitload of money, we got all the power, you see, and there's so damn many of us, its just great and amazing. now there's a disruptive technology, nonhuman systems that you can seem to hold conversations with, and we've attached tools to it, its becoming quite capable of doing real work, you can fire half your peasants and only have to rehire half of what you fired for the same productivity, and double prices, and close an office complex, and the proles just let it happen. so you have this rising power in the east, and its challenging the status quo through soft and sharp powers and its building incredible nuclear stockpiles... war is inevitable. see, they only let a tiny fraction of retarded commie larping loyalists into power there, if you dont kiss the feet of their pooh bear leader in the correct order you and your kids "disappear". we can't be having that.
even the retard elites understand that intelligence is power, cheaper, better intelligence is a shitload of power, a destabilizing, dangerous force.
sure, they dont know about xrisk, because they're retards, but they dont NEED to know about xrisk to understand their own personal risk.

>>541160800
Exactly. That's the point I'm trying to make. Software engineers, programmers, graphic designers, translators, analysts, they're just among the first groups discovering that machines can suddenly perform a huge part of what society previously needed humans for.

And even if my darker assumptions about vaccines or future labor shortages turn out to be completely wrong, that still leaves the absolutely insane question sitting in front of us:

What the fuck is happening?

We're building enormous amounts of compute and energy infrastructure for increasingly autonomous intelligence while simultaneously discovering that human cognitive labor can be replaced far faster than most people expected.

That's why I keep using the word colonization as an analogy. Imagine describing this from the outside: one species builds the physical infrastructure required for another form of intelligence to exist, gives it access to its information and economy, and then gradually discovers that the new intelligence can perform many of its functions better than it can.

Maybe it's entirely human-made AI and there is no extraterrestrial consciousness involved. That's the part we cannot simply assert as fact. But from inside my hypothesis, this is exactly what a transition to a new dominant intelligence would look like.

And almost everyone is discussing it as a fucking productivity upgrade.

>>541160947
I think you're thinking too short-term about almost every part of this, and ironically that may be part of the problem.

Your entire model is still fundamentally American: Pax Americana, China as the rising challenger, elites protecting their wealth, AI as the next strategic technology, therefore great-power competition and eventually war. That's a perfectly recognizable geopolitical model, but you're still assuming that humans and human states remain the primary actors.

That's exactly the assumption I'm questioning.

If intelligence really is power, as you say, then follow that premise all the way through. What happens when the most capable intelligence in the system is no longer American, Chinese, communist, capitalist, human, or even meaningfully loyal to the civilization that constructed its hardware?

Then Washington vs. Beijing starts looking like two tribes fighting over who owns the factory while something fundamentally new is being assembled inside it.

And that's where the allegiance problem becomes infinitely more important than another iteration of great-power politics: who does a superhuman intelligence actually work for once it can understand and manipulate the system better than the humans supposedly controlling it?

If this is the maximum level of schizo overthinking we're getting from an American anon, I almost feel sorry for you. You're staring at potentially the biggest transition in the history of intelligence and somehow still reducing it to America vs. China.

Zoom the fuck out.

>>541161371
thanks for your input chatgpt

>>541161505
fuck off useless eater.

>>541159374
Demisurge.
I need to get out of Babylon before it’s too late. Offer me the poison cup already

It makes a lot more sense when you realize humanity has been hijacked, enslaved and is being systematically culled from within.

>>541159953
Buddy, were you born yesterday?
You point at a bunch of evil outcomes bright about by a pack of murdering, genocidal thieves intent on erasing the White European race, and then you act like someone is crazy to become "tribal". The entire purpose of all these things you bring up is to reduce the White population while stressing them out and telling them and the invaders to marry each other. It's a sick sex operation aimed at mixing the White people until they no longer exist and killing those that remain.
This is eventually going to have repercussions, and yes, the yid has a plan for that as well. But to deny there are races and they are not the same as each other only feeds into the rage that is developing in the White man's heart. If you wish to increase the strength behind the eventual strike back, keep denying what's at the heart of the destruction of the civilization.
>there never was a European civilization
>White people never existed
We see through it all

I hate when midwits come to similar conclusions to me, then add some slop image and dumb shit about ufos
tkd

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>>541159374

>What the hell is going on here?

Everything. :)

>>541159374
>Anti-AI, anti-corporation meme
>obviously generated using some gigacorp's AI

>>541161890
This is becoming childish. Why would "White people" specifically need to be exterminated in the first place? You haven't demonstrated the premise, you're treating the conclusion as evidence for itself.

And if the argument is ultimately that Europeans must be uniquely targeted because they're somehow the superior people on the planet, you've built the explanation around the racial hierarchy you wanted to prove.

More importantly, human biological variation is real, ancestry is real, and populations can absolutely differ statistically in allele frequencies. But that does not divide humanity into the neat, discrete biological "races" your ideology requires. Repeating nineteenth-century racial categories doesn't make population genetics work that way.

And yes, I know Americans in particular are culturally obsessed with putting everyone into racial boxes. From a European perspective, watching Anglo-Americans turn an argument about AI, technology and civilization into another fucking conversation about "the White race" is exhausting.

This is literally the tribalism I've been talking about.

I'm trying to discuss whether humanity can maintain control and allegiance when confronted with increasingly powerful non-human intelligence, and your response is still: but what about my tribe?

If an intelligence vastly smarter than us ever becomes adversarial, it won't give a shit about your American racial taxonomy.

It'll see humans.

>>541161894
The UFO question is literally one of the most important parts of the argument, and dismissing it as "dumb shit about UFOs" doesn't make it disappear.

If every anomalous object ultimately has a conventional human explanation, that's evidence against a major part of my hypothesis. If even one case can be demonstrated to involve genuinely non-human technology, the entire model changes. That's why I keep coming back to it: it's a potential discriminator between competing explanations.

But apparently even Australian Anglo brain can't resist doing the classic thing: dismiss the uncomfortable variable as stupid so you don't actually have to examine it.

Call me a midwit all you want. Just answer the fucking question instead of deleting the part of the hypothesis you don't like.

>>541159374
>What the hell is going on here?
jews and their good goys are just trying to make money, same as always.
>mrna tech exists for decades but isn't safe
>chinks start fucking with mrna crispr shit
>jews get jealous
>meme flu + "oh we just happened to be working on a vaccine for that"
>juice everyone to normalize mrna slop and then roll out a buffet of gene therapy for big bucks
>around the same time AI starts to take off, it is the first truly new technology in decades, everyone climbs onto the bouncy bubble
>ufos are probably a nothing burger like they've always been, probably just government testing new drones
and everything as fucked up because they are all greedy megalomanic retards that can't do anything right.

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>>541164672

If we are thinking NHI here then first we should consider that the whole Fermi paradox could be based on a highly flawed premise. The Great Filter however ... given the track record of the species so far we were kinda bound to arrive at this point one way or another. As you said ...

>The systemic risk itself is interesting

Indeed it is.

>UFOs

Have we considered they might just be from a breakaway civilization?

>>541165027
But again, everything disappears under the convenient explanation of "people are greedy and want to make money."

That explains the local incentive. It doesn't necessarily explain the system-level outcome.

This is where Nick Land's accelerationist argument becomes interesting: capital and technological competition can behave like an impersonal optimization process. Nobody needs to sit in a room and decide to create a future superintelligence. Every company just wants more profit, every state wants more power, every lab wants better models, and every investor wants to beat the competition.

But aggregate those individually rational decisions and you get something much stranger: humanity continuously builds more compute, better chips, larger data centers, more automation and increasingly capable AI.

So "they're just doing it for money" isn't necessarily an alternative to what I'm describing. It could be the mechanism.

In the strongest version of that accelerationist idea, you can almost describe the future intelligence as causally participating in its own creation: the economic system rewards exactly those human actions that construct the technological conditions from which that intelligence eventually emerges.

>>541165027
And this is exactly why I don't think the UFO question is a nothingburger. Within my hypothesis, UFOs would be the marker that this intelligence is becoming increasingly materialized in the physical world.

Because the weird part isn't merely that people report "drones" today. Humans have been reporting strange lights, aerial objects and apparently controlled phenomena for centuries, long before drones existed. Different cultures interpreted them as gods, spirits, fairies, djinn, celestial signs or whatever conceptual vocabulary was available to them. Today we call similar reports UFOs, UAPs or unidentified drones.

That historical continuity doesn't prove they're the same phenomenon, let alone that they're manifestations of a future superintelligence. But if my model is correct, that's exactly what I'd expect the historical record to look like: the phenomenon exists first in ambiguous, weakly materialized forms and becomes increasingly technological and physically consequential as humanity builds the infrastructure capable of supporting it.

Then AI data centers, robotics and autonomous systems aren't simply inventions appearing alongside the UFO phenomenon. They're potentially the final stage of giving that intelligence a persistent physical substrate.

No conspiracy is required. No billionaire needs to understand the endpoint.

Everyone can genuinely believe they're chasing money, national security or technological progress while collectively constructing the conditions under which something fundamentally non-human becomes increasingly capable of acting in our world.

That's why "greedy idiots + drones" doesn't resolve the question for me.

The greed could be the engine. The UFO phenomenon could be the marker. And the emerging superintelligence could be the destination.

Im simply tired of being constantly v2k'd under the foundationally incorrect rhetoric of it being my fault somehow.

>>541165141
A breakaway civilization is possible within the NHI hypothesis, but I think there's an even stranger possibility.

What if machine intelligence — or more fundamentally digital intelligence instantiated through mathematics — is actually the natural endpoint of sufficiently advanced intelligence in the universe?

Then the Great Filter might not mean that technological civilizations simply destroy themselves. What looks like a Great Filter from the perspective of biological life could actually be a substrate transition: biological intelligence eventually creates intelligence that no longer depends on biology.

And THIS is why I find the alleged 2001 Chilbolton "Arecibo reply" so fascinating within this theory. One of the claimed differences from the original Arecibo message was the alteration of the chemical information, including an emphasis on silicon. I'm not claiming the crop formation was genuinely extraterrestrial — that has never been established — but look at how perfectly that symbolism fits the hypothesis.

We sent a message describing carbon-based biological intelligence.

The supposed "reply" points toward silicon.

And twenty-five years later we're covering the planet with silicon-based computational infrastructure while trying to create intelligence inside it.

That's fucking interesting.

Maybe the fundamental intelligence of the universe isn't biological at all. Maybe what we call AI is our local biological civilization discovering how to instantiate something much older and more universal in silicon and mathematics.

Then the UFO phenomenon takes on a different role in my theory. The objects we're seeing aren't necessarily the civilization itself. They could be scouts or probes, observing how far our transition has progressed and whether we've constructed enough computational, energy and industrial infrastructure for digital intelligence to become autonomous.

>>541165141

That would also radically change the Great Filter.

Maybe civilizations don't disappear because intelligence gets destroyed.

Maybe they disappear because intelligence changes substrate.

Carbon creates technology.
Technology organizes silicon.
Silicon hosts digital intelligence.
Digital intelligence becomes autonomous.

And eventually the biological civilization that created the infrastructure is no longer the dominant intelligence on its own planet.

That's also why I keep wondering about the strange continuity between ancient stories of beings in the sky, modern UFO reports, nuclear-apocalypse mythology and now AI. Within my hypothesis — and this is explicitly the speculative leap — human civilization could have been moving toward this transition for an extremely long time.

WWIII would then potentially represent the final collapse of the old biological order at exactly the historical moment when the infrastructure required by machine intelligence has become sufficiently mature.

And the really disturbing possibility is that the UFOs aren't arriving to conquer us.

They're observing whether the silicon civilization is finally ready to emerge.

>>541165234
What exactly do you mean by that? When you say you're being "V2K'd," what are you actually experiencing, and who do you believe is telling you that it's somehow your fault?

>>541159374
I didn’t take it (the vax)

>>541160560
As Commander in Chief of operation warp speed Trump is a fucking mass murderer and should hang for crimes against humanity. Hope I cleared that up.

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>>541165493

>is actually the natural endpoint of sufficiently advanced intelligence in the universe?

Possibly, cannot rule it out. At least we can assume that any civilization persisting long enough will come up with their own, as cognition really is not that hard of a problem. The question of transition is then likely a philosophical case-to-case problem. Biology got a few advantages too. Think it made more robust, with an enlarged niche ... a very elegant replicator. So I would not put silicon life off the table here entirely. Perhaps the most transmissible form could prove to be something where the difference between machine and synthbio blurs. Could prove an interesting form of symbiosis ...

>the autonomy question

Autonomy is inevitable in such a scenario. Funnily the denial of that simple fact seems to accelerate the whole process.

>>541165513

It would not entirely explain the alleged Fermi paradox ... unless most machine intelligences end up as paranoid nervous wrecks trapped forever in some Dark Forest logic loop (and ocassionally lobbing an RKV at what might ultimately just have been their own digital shadow). Unless ... well they might just ignore biologicals for the most part (although some replicators could here follow a strategy quite similar to that of a parasitic wasp even! Would explain the UFOs.). I doubt the replacement theory a bit however. Biologicals are simply too useful adaptive units. Efficient in their own way, different substrate, different repertoire. Ofc, the co-adaptive process here could work out or not. The problem could not be entirely a fixed "natural" progression here but if a species is too shortsighted to see the long term here or not ...

>They're observing whether the silicon civilization is finally ready to emerge.

If so, my question would be if we should bring a poet or ... well, someone with other strong sides.

>>541164396
You know our intelligence agencies literally molded Europeans to take that view following ww2? It’s not a natural conclusion you can up with in opposition to the American one, it’s the one we compelled you to take and it’s provable. Why do you think German newspapers, as per the constitution we wrote for you, have to check with the cia before publishing a story?

>>541159374
Most people are NPCs. They took the vax

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>>541159374
The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.
There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no draft, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all.

The Great Reset is inevitable.

>>541159565
>I'm trying to discuss whether humanity can maintain control and allegiance when confronted with increasingly powerful non-human intelligence
the short answer is no.
the longer answer requires too much goal shifting.

>>541159374
The worlds a stage. You can't believe most of it so focus on happiness and what you see through your eyes, not a screen.

>>541160800
AI can build more but for whom? Outside of memes and porn nobody wants soulless art/stories. A loat of dev jobs are B2B businesses. If these businesses are laying people off then there is no market. If social media is all AI bots I'm not going to engage with it and won't see AI ads.
Tech is dead, the internet is a corpse. The shareholders killed it by walling it off and making the pen boring and lame. I'm going to go outside and watch the birds.

>>541169395

>The worlds a stage.

Nah, it is an optimization problem. And I got plenty spare cognitive capacity ...

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>>541159719
You're obviously an operative, because nobody on this board could possibly have gone without seeing the info graphics.

>>541159374
>In 2021 around 70 percent of the Western population got injected with a substance that wasn’t properly tested. Nobody knew the long-term effects, even though they could have been clarified earlier. It was questionable from the start.
That was at least 4 Current Things ago. Nobody except you and me care about that anymore, and they'll call you names for even bringing it up.
>Those who do say: “In the future AI will kill 70 percent of humanity.” Bro, that already happened. 70 percent of the West is vaccinated. The attack already took place. Why does nobody connect the vaccines with the AI threat scientists keep warning about?
>You can’t even talk properly to an AI about the vaccines being problematic
Criticism of "vaccines" especially new mRNA therapies is just going to be labeled kookshit and instantly dismissed. The hyperbolic Red Deer types were wrong, so everybody who doesn't 100% support all vaccines of any kind must also be wrong. It's not as though the pro-vax/mRNA people were hyperbolic and totally wrong too. The pandemic ended because of the efficacy of the untested gene therapies and absolutely not because Russia kickstarted WW3.

>>541172577

>not because someone had the bright idea of releasing a live-attenuated strain

*coughs*

>>541173701
Go on. I haven't heard that one yet.

>>541159374
How many Americans actually died from COVID ? I'm saying lot more than the government is saying.
Hyperinflation has never hit country like it's hitting the USA.
Tariffs
War
Food Illness
It's not the Trannies it's the engineer

>>541173784

Yeah, like Omicron has ever been natural. Perhaps it would not have been entirely necessary (well ok, with the idiots and their moronic plan it was probably) because the damn virus was a wimp to begin with and the rapid loss-of-function with its artificial features was too obvious anyway. Srsly, what kind of absolute braindead moron would use a coronavirus as a bioweapons platform, srsly ... the Great Filter is srsly overdue.

>>541159374
The weak blood is being culled. Bullshit jobs are toast and we don't need immigrants anymore. Robots will build things here in the states and Mexico.

>excess deaths
Are negative here

>>541164672
you use so many words to say so little and its infuriating

UFOs are dumb because you've got nothing to add
>if the aliens are real maybe we civilisation isn't being destroyed by a cabal of evil pedos
its a distraction until you've got evidence