Why do we have to pay private corps to do space stuff and not stick to existing government orgs like NASA? Just tax Musk and fund NASA with it.
>>541174412Because nasa doesn't do that, it runs a gift shop and hands out grants to acedemic sciences.
>>541174412nasa has increasingly outsourced more and more since the beginning, they don't really do much themselves anymore. that's also not a reusable iteration of starship yet
because very rich people have captured the government to extract money from it
Two more weeks anon, also no refunds.
>>541174412Nasa's a bunch of women and niggers kissing their reflection in the mirror on the lips
>>541175040>they don't really do much themselves anymoreeven back in 2005. Place was a fucking ghost town. Interned in Houston, everyone was a "department head", no employees under them. Only employed to maintain the institutional knowledge for a little longer and give some talks at schools. Huge warehouses, full of all the equipment to run 'sciences', not dusty as the janitors are still employed, could be turned on within the day and they are about once every 5 years....was sad. Took a job elsewhere.
>>541174412OH MY SCIENCE ITS JUST LIKE MY FAVORITE MOVIES
>>541174412Looks absolute beat to shit
>>541174412Private companies are unironically more efficient that government agencies that just contract work to private companies anyway.
>>541175660good insight. nasa does have a lot of institutional knowledge remaining but that's dying off, men like gene kranz simply do not exist there anymore
Space is fake
>>541175960most of it is silly stuff like, "these are the wheat seeds you'd want to use if the radiation is over X amount", or "this seal should NEVER be touched or cleaned, even if it says to do so, micro scratches on the aging sealant we put on the seal because of of this stupid thing we were paid to do in the 80s means it'll leak on you". A thing like spaceX, without all the baggage is the way to do it. Its too bad they were forced to go through NASA and the cape in florida. It must've slowed them down by decades. The next company in a few decades will be able to start fresh and do big things fast.
>>541176232There’s no money in space boss
>>541176334theres a lot of valuable stuff in asteroids if they can capture and mine one
>>541176334There are known asteroids with more gold in them than all the gold that's ever been mined in history. Same with rare minerals. Its easier to move material when there isn't gravity.
>>541176375That’s the claim but there’s actually no specific scientific evidence of this. First you have to find this magic rock
>>541174412>for almost 100 years NASA kikes havent done anything but Moon movie in Colorado desert >Elon has to use his personal wealth to develop and figure out actual space rockets now >???>give more money to NASA turds !!
>>541176440No there aren’t, or at least there’s no real evidence for them. Prove me wrong with a peer reviewed article. You can’t
>>541176496pysche 16 has enough to give everyone $100B if split evenly. That's just a single rock. There are millions on millions of these rocks. Metal is dense, its heavy, it would sink to the core when the planets were molten. In asteroids, they didn't have anywhere to sink.
>>541176375>>541176440theres diamonds raining on Saturn, go fetch some lmao
>>541176232thats and really interesting about the seals, do you have any specific examples of materials where that could happen? the best use for nasa now Is probably transfer of this sort of knowledge to entities like spacex so they don't have to reinvent the wheel so to speak, I imagine that's a big issue>>541176334space is now defense and communications, even if there's no significant profit making avenues (which is not the case) there's vested government interest in maintaining a competitive advantage
>>541176651I see, a rock no one has ever visited or drilled with a calculated density approximately that of nickel-iron is actually made of gold and platinum. Trust me bro
>>541176538>his personal wealthWeird way to say government contracts and subsidies
Musk for presidemt
>>541174412>and not stick to existing government orgs like NASA?Government doesn't accomplish anything. They just waste money on nonsense. It's the same with nonprofits. The solution is always just one more funding cycle or one more donation away.
>>541174412
>>541176558https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2025JE009317?af=R50% metal by volume. Its not hard to find this shit . And lets say this particular one is a dud and is just rock. Are you saying not one rock out there is ripped from a molten core? Not one? Because just one would justify all current and past space spending times a few million
>>541175273Unironically, this captures the situation more accurately than the academic responses above. NASA is whiteanted and is incapable of doing shit.
>>541176773>Weird way to say government contracts and subsidiesand Nigger Associated Sucking Ass uses what ?
>>541175148that's all any government ever is. the only difference is how many crumbs the mafia permits the peasants to eat
>>541176712>I imagine that's a big issueits not. The big issue is that they are so risk adverse, bad PR meant that their funding would get cut, that they (NASA) moves at glacial speeds. Plus their research methods involve shuffling people around constantly. Plus they are managed like every government agency...poorly. There are more HR employees, DEI hires, 'educators', than autists who could make a breakthrough or innovation. Its a dead organization an has been for decades. Let it die. >>541176749do you disagree that molten cores contain valuable material?
>>541176538>use his personal wealthFalse. Government contract government money.
>>541176677Diamonds are worthless though
>>541176877The mean density of Pysche 16 is about 4g/cm^3. The density of iron? ~8g/cc. The density of gold? ~19g/cc. You know what we have a lot of on earth? Iron. It’s all speculation until someone drills cores anyway. Next you’ll tell me orbital data centres make sense
>>541177070Elon isnt some agency, hes contracts probably dont even cover it all so he uses money from Tesla cars and Starlink to fund it all What have NASA retards ever invented other than museum tickets ?
>>541177063i meant a big issue with places like spacex, nasa doesn't really do much except what you mentioned these days. autists who would make major innovative breakthroughs would be too demoralized and slowed by bureaucracy to do anything meaningful there
>>541177129diamonds are used in industry as hardest abrasive material, they could find more aplications if they werent so expensive like diamond armor or heat shield or something else
>>541174412remember we're supposed to be on mars by now and have fully self driving cars and a fully self driving trucking industryinstead foreign countries are mapping our roads and infrastructure with self driving vehicles they can remote control with the flip of a switch and the mass importation of jeet truckers who kill innocent people on our roads every week
>>541177150>It’s all speculation until someone drills cores anywayI never disputed that. Are you disputing that there exists a single valuable asteroid?>Next you’ll tell me orbital data centres make senseJust not having PR problems and eco terrorists makes them worth it, even if they are 5x as expensive per compute, that multiple lowers when you factor in lobbying, deals, etc.
AI will end up designing space vehicles better in the future so there is no point to NASA even trying to clawback to the same capability as it had decades ago.Every industry is being divested gradually because there is no point ignoring the entire organisation becoming redundent being overtaken by AI and private industry. It'd be a waste of money. NASA is living on borrowed time wanking itself with with left wing ideology to fill in the time waiting to die. Tick tock.
>>541174412Never even sent one to orbit, thats not even close to science fiction, its vastly inferior to 1960s technology
>>541176440Yes and it's concentrated at no more than 1 ppm and must be mined using totally novel technology because asteroids are loose piles of rubble. The only use of mining an asteroid is for material to use in space.>>541177150They find gold in meteorites all the time. That's how we know it isn't worth mining asteroids for gold since it's almost never above 1 part per million, and those are the metallic ones that do come from the cores of proto-planets.
>>541177370I know there’s hypothetical evidence of asteroids that may be enriched in precious metals, mostly based around things like the platinum deposits in South Africa being associated with an ax owner impact. What I’m saying is there is no specific evidence of any such known asteroid. There’s lots of fucking asteroids, start digging. Oh wait, they’re inaccessible because they’re in space. It’s weak.
>>541177026That a government agency uses public funding is irrelevant to the fact that Elon does not use his own wealth to fund Space X as it is largely funded through federal contracts, grants, and subsidies. Thanks for playing.
Somehow ancient autocorrects to ax owner. Point stands, it’s purely speculative.
>>541174412NASA is full of women and homos, every pro went to be Musk nigger. Also did you miss how they will reuse them or just playing stupid? You know they still developing it and it's not even close to mass production?
>>541175959>Private companies are unironically more efficient that government agencies
>>541174412Because "muh private industry is mo efficient huuuduur!" Except it is not more efficient and it's all a big lie.
>>541177526I hear dildonium is available on Asteroid DILATEZ-77668. Maybe we can convince the trannies to boldly go there on a one way trip of their own volition.
>>541175148>because very rich people have captured the government to extract money from itThis anon gets it.
>>541177517>concentrated at no more than 1 ppmwhich is a high enough concentration to justify mining on earth. Just one fluke at 10 or 100 or 200 ppm would make it worth it. >>541177526> hypothetical evidenceand how would one turn that into factual evidence.....by going there I imagine. The cost-benefit, risk-reward, calc of space mining makes numerical sense. Just one freak rock means that putting 50% of global gdp into mining it for a decade or longer worth it. I'm not claiming they have conclusively identified the freak rock, or all the tech is buttoned up.
>>541176334Theres no gold in the New World?
>>541177748Why are 4 men living in a benis?
>>541174412is the engine the only thing reusable, or was it always a lie
>>541174412How is SPCX over $10/share?
>>541175959>Private companies are unironically more efficient that government agenciesThey're not more efficient though. Biggest lie ever told.
>>541174412Well he demonstrably does a much better job than NASA, the public would legitimately have more knoweledge to show for it if we defunded NASA and gave it to him. I think the best option would be to totally redo NASA from the ground up and put someone even more aytistic and space-obsessed than Elon at the helm with free-reign over the funds like a private enterprise. You pick someone so autistic that they dont even have any other outlets to dump embezzled money into, they only want to go space and that's it.You pick just two guys to be hired underneath him, one whose job is to make certain no one takes advantage of him and the other one is a transparency specialist whose job is to document and present every single thing everyone involved does live to the public. Every meeting, every document, everything. Give workers some space but see when they show up and what they produce instantly. This shoyld be done for every agency really, we need appointed autist kings with transparent empires.
>>541177949>autist kings with transparent empires.the true star trek future.
>>541177949>Well he demonstrably does a much better job than NASANASA took us to the moon. Musk just gives us trans children.
>>541177949Im starting to think NASA is kept around to keep NASA "engineers" away from the world thus protecting the rest of us in competing industries. Kinda like universities really.
>>541178045To the moon ... in the 60s/70s. Lost knowledge now buried under organisational wokeness.
>>541178077the DoD can pull patents from the office and hold them for 25 years. They don't need to pay these people to stop them dead in their tracks.
>>541177810It absolutely does not justify the expense. I’m sure there are asteroids out there that might be profitable to mine (somehow), the odds of finding them are lottery ticket tier. It’s just Elon grifting. He’s very good at it.
>>541174412It's in much better shape than the 12 previous ships if you can believe it
>>541178242>the odds of finding them are lottery ticket tierand?? The odds of being google with a search monopoly is 'lottery tier', same with amazon. It was still rational for those companies to burn cash for decades with no profits. You are thinking in a personal finance mindset, not a corporate one.
>>541174412its easy math - how much of the universe's resources are on earth and how much are not on earth?
>>541178358So how many times should a country buy a lottery ticket with 50% of their gdp? How long will that country last?
>>541178242>Elon grifting.to be clear. I'm not an elon fan. I believe he is a liar and can't help himself. I don't believe spaceX will be the one to do such mining. I'm merely saying that its not irrational to go for it. If he does unlock asteroid mining, its all worth it. If he doesn't, spaceX has many avenues to profitability. Profitability is less valuable than monopoly though.
>>541175959The employees of private companies are elected to official positions and hobble government agencies and programs to then install their employers as the alternative. This is basic civics.
>>541178479Do you strawman on purpose? or are you just not following? IF such a freak rock was discovered THEN it would justify such an expensive project.
>>541178045Yeah and Musk rescued the astronauts stranded on the sppace station with ease. If the US gov paid and tasked Musk to do the new moonbase project he'd already have something there. Difficulty is not the obstacle, purpose is. He also has an ambition for new and novel techs required to make rapid strides that government agencies simply do not naturally produce because they are too afraid to attempt, and that will cause every single benchmark of progress on the road to instellar travel take 100x longer than it ought to.
>>541178537The issue is that to make that IF a reality huge sums need to be wasted. That money is better spent elsewhere, but humanity can’t even stop blowing each other up over silly shit. We have problems down here we need to sort.
>>541177748Stockton’s efficiency was huge if you don’t value anyone’s life. He got like 10 dives out of that plastic bottle.
>>541178675And who decides where the money goes? You?
>>541175959Sure then they should be privately funded : )
>>541178748If it’s government funded as a taxpayer I should be, yes. If it’s private industry, I have the option of not investing. So I don’t.
>>541178838We have no power over government spending at all. A direct democracy on the federal budget would be fucking terrible. I can't believe you are even suggesting something close to that. Most people can't balance their personal finances. You want caleb hammer contestants voting on government spending? madness.
>>541174412>Just tax Musk and fund NASA with it.All of Musk's money comes from government contracts. If you cut those, he wouldn't have any money left to tax.
>>541174842Al of Elon’s technology was created by nasa
Everything SPACEX has was developed by nasa and given to elon for free.
>>541178962Now who’s strawmanning?
>>541174412Reminder that SpaceX's idea of "innovating" is taking old Russian rocket designs, removing expensive and complicated systems, and gradually adding them back until their rockets stop blowing up.Truly ingenious stuff.
>>541179052How would you, as a presumed taxpayer decide where the money goes? I don't think I was strawmanning. Describe your proscribed system. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, I will admit wrong and retract if I did you wrong.
>>541174412>Why do we have to pay private corps to do space stuffBecause that way the jews get to keep it after the public pays for it.If NASA does it then the goyim get to keep it. How will the jews keep renting Space back to the goyim over and over then?It's like the "Federal Reserve" and money - but for space!
>>541174412What's even the point of reusable spaceships? It's bascially just admitting that you're poor and can't afford busted rockets.
>>541179157By voting? Isn’t that how democracy is supposed to work?>elected officials who do vote on budgets are much more competent Lol. Lmao even.
>>541176538My favourite heroSpider Khash
>>541179550You are advocating for direct democracy on the federal budget? So I wasn't strawmanning you and retract nothing. Elected officials have nothing to do with the federal budget. They just yea or nay something that was prepared for them. I don't believe that a central planning committee is in anyone's best interest. But I prefer that to Shaniqua updooting her gibs. Rock and a hard place. Until we revoke universal suffrage, its going to be fucked.
>>541179021.aaaactually NASA themselves got it themselves from crashed alien technology
>>541179723I never mentioned direct democracy, that’s your straw man. The Swiss seem to do ok, but I digress. In a functional democracy I should be able to vote for a fiscal conservative and expect him to keep his word, no?
>>541174412leaf does not understand the federal procurement process or the role of congressional oversight in the space program. it's a jobs program for their constituents. everyone gets a slice. spacex is the anomaly
>>541179053that's called engineering. you don't have to know how a product works on a fundamental level to be an engineer. you should try and learn the difference between the scientific method and the engineering method.
>>541174412>Starship is so sci-fiyeah that shit actually working is fictional alright
>>541174412niga had his ribs removed to suck hisown cock an buy twitter to spam himself with/on.Oozes wanna be remembered.
>>541180182>expect him to keep his wordNo. You should expect everyone in power to be a liar until proven, by overwhelming evidence, otherwise. The swiss can propose referendums and then vote on them. They don't vote for line item budget things. Could you imagine how bad our countries would be with that referendum mechanic in effect? California has such a mechanic, look at them. You think its bad now. The swiss also did not have universal suffrage til the 70s. And their hold on banking, fine craftsmanship, etc all started eroding after that. Universal suffrage is the core problem. We should have male only voting. And only males that own real property outright. Meaning a car worth $20k+ that is fully paid off, or a home worth $100k+ with no banknote on it. They also must be net positive taxpayers. Until we get there, its going to be fucked.
>>541181089>still strawmanning about direct democracy to distract from the fact that he got btfo about asteroid mining being a pipe dream I’m going to have a nap, I wish you well.
>>541179053True. Lol
>>541174842Those acedemic sciences have a massive investment to profit ratio. The engineers it supports are overwhelmingly a net positive unlike the nignogs in texas that hate education.
>>541179412To drop launch costs. To understand his actions, realize he started with the idea of putting a kilogram of weight into space at a specific cost then worked backwards from there to design something that should be capable of that. Thus the starship is born, stainless steel body, oxygen-methane engines, reuseable, ect.
>>541179053Rockets are more complex than copy paste, you can see massive revisions for several generations of SX engines over the years.Also Russia never sold those rocket engines in the end, so no, they're not copies. They don't even look similar.
>>541174412Tell us about your great Canadian space program.Have you landed any leafs on the Moon yet?
>>541181089prop 65 warnings are not nearly as bad as the excesses of red states, where it is illegal to watch porn on the internet
>>541179412sure is interesting that once we started reusing rockets the cost of shooting rockets into space went down. you absolute retard third world cave gremlin.
>>541176876Who's "the wife" here? Is that /our/ girl?
>>541174412Nasa launching rockets is just them contracting a few dozen private manufacters to do everything for them.
>>541178721Dude had a deathwishgoing arguing with Poseidon at -4000m in a glorified coke can + porthole + Playstation controller was never going to end well. As you note, major, major surprise that POS lasted as long as it did.
>>541180603>engineering is not knowing how something works while trying to build itIf that's what engineering is in US then no wonder you guys suffer from diversity hires
>>541176876This is slander anon, Jeffry Epstein would’ve never emailed that nerd Elon back
>>541176651>pysche 16 has enough to give everyone $100B if split evenly.LOLIf you were to bring all that back to Earth, the value of the metals would plummet. If you divided up all the wealth among everyone equally, then inflation would wipe out the value.The reason the median house in the U.S. costs $450K today versus $200K in 2001 isn't because houses doubled in awesomeness, it's because the government has printed so much money that the purchasing power of a dollar has dropped by more than half.
>>541175821I'm no expert, but that doesn't look safe.
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>>541174412>Why do we have to pay private corps to do space stuff and not stick to existing government orgs like NASA?Because the government is full of women, niggers, and nigger women; they couldnt design a rocket to achieve US objectives to save their lives. The rot had gotten so bad that even private corporations that long dominated government spending werent able to produce tech to meet NASA objectives because they decided to hire women, niggers, and H1b scam jeets to cut costs and pocket the rest of the money. Boeing and Lockheed-Martin have been a catastrophe for NASA over the past 20yrs.The government cant hire the best people because they cant offer the money, and they arent experts to even be able to hire the right experts. This is why Leftist talking points are retarded, they act like if we simply give the government more money these super genius government experts that always make programs that always work will fix every problem, its laughable.Thats why this new crop of space tech companies are getting contracts now, because they have recruited actual talent to solve actual problems. The government cant do that because they arent experts in any field, the government also cant compete with pay. Elon can say "if you come and work for SpaceX you have an opportunity to become a multi millionaire on your stock options alone". That is a huge competitive edge when trying to recruit talent; people know if they work hard and the org is successful they are looking at retiring in 10-15yrs with enough money for them and their kids and grand kids to never have to work a day in their lives again, not working for 30yrs to get some Federal employee pension
NASA got bloated and useless with DEI crap long ago.
>>541174412>to meFound the problem. Go back poojeet.
>>541175273/thread
>>541174412>Why do we have to pay private corps to do space stuff and not stick to existing government orgs like NASA?>leaf doesn't know anything about how space funding worksNASA gets money from congressional appropriations. NASA then pays that money out to private corps to make hardware that they slap their logo on and take the credit for if things go well, and pillory them (thiokol) if they don't. The only difference between what spacex is doing now and what Thiokol and Northrop and Grumman and Rockwell and Rocketdyne and IBM and Locksneed and Boeing was doing in the past is spacex is doing the work for 1/2 to 1/10th the cost of development while singlehandedly providing almost all of the LEO and half of the GTO coverage NASA related projects rely on for less than any of the other oldschool cost+ contractors.
>>541176651Imagine the future where they go out and tow these huge meteors closer to earth for processing. Then a cable snaps.
>>541184085Elon musks wife
he is a wall touching kike
>>5411744121) youre canadian so none of this applies to you and you have no right to comment.You haven't done shit and your nation is fake.2) nasa doesnt do anything and they never have.Nasal is a funding agency, all space ships have been built and launched by private companies.
>>541175148What are their names.
>>541174412Existing government orgs like NASA altered their mission to become single mother, jeet, nigger, spic welfare programs.
