Why aren't we pro-data center pro-nuclear? What's the problem?
pro- cold fusion codeword for aetheric vortex tapping back-reaction problem solved
>>541190970how will trumps oil buddies get rich with cheap nuclear power?
Fuck technology
>>541191062So much this
>>541191053I know what your masturbate to
>>541190970How about we place data centers in places that are cold and desolate with ample water? Like Alaska?
I like this man's idea about data centres beautiful, it's genius in fact.Look at the Pyramids - the very first data centre, it really has stood the test of time and become a wonder of the world.
>>541190970They can't, it doesn't fit the narrative.
>>541191221adds latency
>>541190970Noclear is a meme. Multiple nuclear power plants had to be turned off all over Europe due to low water levels and high heat.They have load shedding and rolling blackouts now because of nuclear power.People who shill nuclear power want Europe to become africa.Meanwhile solar and wind power produce record energy levels for free.
>>541191221most businesses are parasites that want to shoehorn themselves into a settled society. they must be taxed and constantly reminded that they are guests. but kikeservatives expect us to worship companies instead
>>541191457Dude, I will hold you down and suck the cum out of your fucking body, gay boy.
>>541191053Nuclear power is just Steam Power, ya ding dong
>>541190970based data centers should be temples
>>541191331then why aren't they building any in the Bay Area where all the ai fags are Im not anti datacenter, I'm just disappointed we dismantled a bunch of coal plants right before it and I can't compete with VC money when it comes to my electric bill. I would welcome a massive damn on the Mississippi right by my house generating a GW specifically to feed local data centers. But im sure the dysgenic down in the river valley would scream bloody murder
>>541191579There is an exact moment in American history where making things ornate and beautiful fell out of fashion for cost to build. And it is the Monadnock building in Chicago. Burnham and Root, the architectural firm, were known for making ornate grand classical revival buildings (Burnham was the lead architect of the Chicagos worlds fair, famous for its fantastical White City, among other famous building like the flat iron in New York) but when they submitted plans for the Monadnock they owner kept rejecting them "Too ornate, too expensive!" Finally they settled on this. A huge flat facade. It's still a handsome building, but the cultural moment had been set. Price trumped beauty and it has ever since.
>>541190970Why don't these fucking retards understand we can't make anything beautiful anymore. 1, we are broke due to jewish usury money printing at Fed, 2, only white people can make beautiful things and whites are in rapid decline
>>541190970I am pro both. In fact I am pro using nuclear power for datacenters, like china is doing.do I get a price?
>>541190970>they keep citing national security concerns while dodging the fact that all these tech firm hire nothing but foreingeirs to build and operate said security infrastructurealsogreat idea for the elite to flaunt their wealth in opulent luxury decoration, surely this tipe of flamboyancy had no influence on the peasant blood thirst during the french revolutionto bad these centers are ran by spread sheet demonoids who only care about maximising proffits, so you get nothing but souless demoralizing brutalism
>>541190970I fucking hate nuclear power. I hate radiation. I hate radiological controls.No, I did not say they shouldn't exist. As such, you are a faggot.
>>541191457cost more than nuclear per watt hour and creates more wastenothing is free jackasseuro plants were shut down because lignite lobbies lol, do you just not pay attention?
>>541190970Nuclear is good, data center is not
>>541190970Pro data center is straight up delusional idiocy abscent the very needed reforms. DCs only bring jobs for the highly "educated" upper class idiots who bought their degrees through cronyism and nepotism. AI advancement is incredibly important but it should not come at the cost of human suffering. >Pro nuclearWe should've definitely done nuclear energy and it was a scare campaign that prevented nuclear energy.Gas cartels are evil, they are assblasted beyond belief that Google and Microsoft and so on have managed to propel themselves into that arena. Gas cartels should not be trusted.
What do royal handcuffs look like?
>>541190970we can pay the maintenance people to dress like "priests" in robeshave them carry building material around in "urns"pay a choir to gregorian chant around the clockor fuck it just hire frank ghery to design it
>>541190970>Turn data centers into mosques.Nigga, are you serious?
>>541192668Hey why do you post on altchans full of pedos
We should combine the two
>>541190970nuclear is finebut data center fags should be spending money to use sea water rather then potable waterpotable water should be for citizens first
>>541192709I don't. I post on 4chan.org.
>>541192740potable water should be human first, stop trying t make this about nationalism you dumbass
>>541192791You would say that. Sadly, your definition of "potable" is grey.
>>541190970I am pro-nuclear. I'm anti hyperscaler datacenter because it's all an investment scheme meant to inflate asset prices all while contributing little to the economy that the average person will benefit from. And while ruining select people's livelihoods with higher energy bills, or polluted air.
>>541192791Nah get fucked migrant scum
>>541192891No. Potable water is water that is safe for human consumption. Greywater is not safe to drink.
The model for hosting AI on data centers is not one in which there is hope for. Instead of building data centers, stealing all your company data that you feed into it, China leases their AI out for companies to run on their own closed networks. That model makes much more sense than what we are doing. Unless of course your goal is to actually steal corporate secrets and create a loophole to make yourself rich.
>>541190970>make this structure intended for function and safety have pointless classic design elements intended for religious and stately structuresNormalfaggots genuinely should not have access to AI.
>>541190970I would rather die than have even one data center built.
>>541192942>t. jewish chick is back
>>541192976You don't know anything about AI if you think this. I'm not sorry to say it, you just don't know and that is fine, I don't expect you to become an expert on AI technology or to give a shit about it, the only expectation that I've of you is that you please stop talking as though you do. Because you do not. We are on /pol/, a board for the discussion of politics and current events, and there is an aspect of politics attached to these data centers. To actually talk about these data centers, their economic outcome, the harms they may or may not have to the communities that surround them, or anything else surrounding it, you need a fundamental understanding of AI at the very least. This does not mean word semantics over definitions, you need to actually know the basics. Things like:>Tokens>Agents>MCPs>Guardrails (Context of AI)>LLMs>Who the main providers of AI Inference are>The investors>The stated missionsUntil then, shut the fuck up, that's all I ask, and I know you probably won't listen.
>>541191331This isn’t the reason. The latency difference would be on the order of around 50 milliseconds. That makes a big difference when you’re playing competitive FPS games, but it doesn’t really matter when you’re using LLMs. The reason they build data centers in populated areas is because it’s cheaper and easier to hook your data center up to an existing electrical/water grid than it is to build your own infrastructure in the middle of Alaska.
>>541192942>I can't read implicationsSo? Have you figured out what my comment meant yet, retard? You're not really selling me on my being wrong.
>>541192622the combustion of coal and petroleum in general emits far more radionuclides than would ever be released from a nuclear power plantthe oil cartel has suppressed just how bad burning all this stuff really is
>>541191221There’s a square-mile data center proposed for Alaska’s North Slope, but it’s in the early regulatory phase. Closer to home, the TVA area has huge water and energy resources and is getting a lot of demand for data centers. So much that the Authority announced a 10% rate hike on DCs just yesterday.https://alaskabeacon.com/2026/05/14/a-huge-data-center-could-rise-on-alaskas-north-slope/
>>541190970The problem with power plants and data centers is the water that they consume, and the acreage that they sit on, not the way they look.
>>541193252Fuck off, faggot. Read it again and realize you said something unnecessary.Did your eyes glaze over on the second to last sentence?Namefags. Every fucking time. Go back to watching your tranime.
For anyone who actually cares (i know there's lots of you reading) https://owaspai.org/docs/ai_security_references/
>>541192660>cost more than nuclear per watt hourNot at all. PV is the cheapest energy source. Picrel. Nuclear power is one of the most expensive and unreliable ones. And it makes us depended on importing reactor fuel.>and creates more wastePV panels are made from glass, silicon (Sand), and metal. They can be fully recycled.>nothing is free jackassThe sun and wind are actually free.>euro plants were shut down because lignite lobbies lol, do you just not pay attention?No, you haven’t been paying attention. We have record low water levels and multiple plants throughout the EU had to be shut down because they couldn’t cool them anymore. France, Hungary and Romania are among them.
>>541193144I know all of those things except for jewish investors and stated missions shit. I don’t think you are just gonna scale your way to supremacy. I have my own agents communicating with each other via an MCP server. Quite the advanced expert you are.
>>541193377To be fair, the facing of a power plant is functionally irrelevant outside the location of the road access.
>>541193415>stated mission shitYou missed the single most important partYou need to go to the SEC's website and start reading about all the humiliation rituals corporations have to do
>>541193404> Nuclear power is one of the most expensive and unreliable ones.Go back to plebbit or /k/ or whatever and never post here again.
>>541190970What if you stop trying to siphon all the resources that you don't currently have in order to create an AI God that culls all he goyim?
>>541191716Because they care about latency to the three letter agencies in DC as those are the real customers.
They have to list exhaustingly every potential way they could fail to appease their investorshttps://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1713445/000162828024010137/reddit-sx1a1.htmScroll down to "Risk Factors" for an example.
>>541190970Rosatom will win.
>>541190970I omce hoped that AI data centers would revive nuclear power in the US, but apparently it's easier to just take everyone else's electricity.
Ask yourself who would be assblasted that the SEC exists knowing now that they make corporations do things like this?
Whats the ideology behind nuclear? Let's say you build a ton of nuclear power plants, how does that improve anything? Would that reduce welfare dependency and corporate slavery? Wouldn't you end up just giving all extra monetary gains go Israel anyway?
>>541193633>Let's say you build a ton of nuclear power plants, how does that improve anything?Energy Independence at the cost and risk of nuclear proliferation + nuclear waste.
>>541193577How long does it take to build a new nuclear plant from scratch? How easy is to get all the uranium and plutonium?
>>541190970Nuclear power is bullshit and won't ever produce sufficient power and be a clean energy
These are fucking cartoons.
>>541193676>Energy IndependenceThe USA could have that already via oil and coal.
And finally, mission based company. Let's find out what that is.
>>541190970>Why aren't we pro-data center pro-nuclear?"We" are.>What's the problem?Nothing.
>>541193727That would've been horrible for the planet and the future generations that live on it. Oil and coal are shitty energy sources all ways around.
>>541192226>only white people can make beautiful thingsRetard. Browns were creating wonders in the Near East/Mesopotamia, Egypt, and India while who would become modern Europeans were still marauding around the steppes.
>>541193727Most people have some utopian fantasy of nuclear replacing oil as the main source of energy but its never going to happen
>>541193872There's nothing utopian about getting rid of reliance on oil or gas. It's okay to have utopian visions, as long as you have an actionable plan with measurable incremental progress to get you to that future. Trump has "concepts of a plan". We have an actual plan that has worked in other countries, to meaningfully reduce reliance on oil and gas. Iran uses nuclear energy.
>>541193972Iran's nuclear power only produces 1-2% of their electricity
>>541193772>That would've been horrible for the planetLmao.
>>541193872I don't see the difference. You are replacing smog with nuclear waste, both of which can be managed to a certain extent. China has the right idea of building any viable energy source. There is no point in treating nuclear as unique.
>>541193377No, it isn't.
>>541194424You don't see the difference between the waste oil produces compared to nuclear? Oil produces over 90% of the world's energy for nuclear to do that the waste would be left for much longer for future generations to deal with for the sake of idea that some radioactive waste is okay
>>541190970All alternative energy is a meme except for free energy from the ether.
>>541194541Radioactive waste is harder to deal with but it's not a deal breaker. What regular people are actually afraid of is disasters like Chernobyl and Fukushima.I think any energy solution is temporary, in the future we might get more efficient solar and nuclear fusion. But people acting as if one thing is gonna magically solve everything is retarded.
>>541194659The industrial age thrives on oil nothing can replace it how effective it is and the fact it controls trillion dolllar industry that employees countless people
>>541194659Combinations of technologies, co-operation between different countries, teamwork makes the dream work.
>>541193775Correct. Shitskins can build awesome shit but they need the right cultural and religious context like anyone else. Shitskins is a loose generic term though for anyone who isn’t ethnic European. Some shitskins like are straight up barbarians and have been forever, like various breeds of abbos, niggers, pajeets or lower caste pajeets. Semites are the worst.
>>541194809> co-operation between different countries, teamwork makes the dream work.That’s real rich coming from a jew.
>>541190970Why don't they just give people money? Give the poorfags that live around the datacenter $500 a month and they'll think you are God.
>>541191053Trump supports both nuclear power and fossil fuels, nigger. He's opposed to bullshit windmills and incredibly inefficient solar. Windmills are fucking up wildlife (even whales) and our level of solar technology is still in its infancy and both of them require fossil fuels. In fact, the windmills never pay for themselves because of their limited service life and are a net negative on the environment.
>>541191053easy, make some jewish plot to fill the pocket of all is friends like France did to "open the market and lower the cost", trust me goy TM
>>541190970>I need gold trim on my nuclear power plantsMutts are so fucked
>>541195294It doesn't need to be gold, but facades are a good inexpensive thing for aesthetics that improve your mood, commie.
Has /pol/ forgotten about MSRs and LFTR? It was this board that was pretty much responsible for it becoming known about. Last year Copenhagen Atomics had a breakthrough that reduced corrosion rate by 100x, they also now say they can offer wholesale electricity at 10x cheaper than current prices.
>>541195108May i see the nuclear power plants he has started building?
>>541195719The President doesn't build nuclear power plants. States do that with licensure (of the nuclear materials) and oversight from the NRC.
>>541195393There's a contrarian brutalist appreciator's revival going on right now. Social media engagement baiting will reverse any idea that gains traction.
>>541193404The cost of nuclear is entirely regulatory theater. No the excess regulations do not keep you safe.Solar is not reliable, it's non-dispatchable. Literally half the day there is no power, and solar has driven down wholesale midday energy to zero value.Fossil fuels are forced to produce *extra dirty* without baseload just to match peak demand hours.Unless you want Elon to blind everyone with solar-mirror satellites, it's totally retarded.
>>541196493>solar-mirror satellitesThe Soviets tried this, but abandoned it pretty quickly. Probably a good thing as I imagine they would have started thawing the tundra. Imagine global warming if the entire planet never got a decent break from sun's light and heat.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Znamya_(satellite)
>>541196493>regulatory theaterThis is code for: "You’re not supposed to include the hidden cost of nuclear waste and operation and just dump it on the public instead".Your graph only shows construction cost and is completely meaningless.>Literally half the day there is no power,Batteries can store electricity easily.PV and wind is saving our ass right now.
>>541190970Nigger
>>541191457If the plant was on one of those giant mine lakes you have it would be fine. Putting them on rivers with fluctuating levels isn't bright.
>>541192158It's depressing. If there was a definition for Orwellian architecture, this would be it. Brutalism takes it so far it's a superlative.
>>541192622Navy or civilian?
>>541197660Your energy comes from French Nuclear, US/Norwegian LNG, burning coal, and whatever Austria lets in when circumventing the Russian petroleum sanctions. Pretentious euro speaking out of his ass. PV and Wind only account for 20%, as they aren’t fully trusted as a backbone due to their efficiency/conversion limitations and distribution difficulties. They cover 60% of consumer usage, but are not as trusted for higher energy tasks without having abrupt shortages like in Spain that lacks better energy reserves. You’re advocating retarded policy. Even China, which swept German PV technology and is now at the forefront of it is still investing in a giant nuclear expansion.
>>541194927Who said I was a Jew?
>>541190970Because low education green activists won. They convinced the world through media owned exclusively by Jewish conglomerates that the cleanest and most efficient power source, Nuclear, was dirty and dangerous. Conservatives falsely believed that it's dangerous and expensive. Liberals falsely believed that it's dirty and polluting. Both blame the other for wanting it around. So now we spend staggering amounts of taxpayer money making toxic silver-laced panels to generate much smaller amounts of electricity at a worse carbon impact per MW than coal power.It's almost like a certain group of people had something to gain from this.
>>541190970No, this guy is definitely onto something. Decorated nuclear plants would help.
>>541192158brutalism, is professionalism, is attractive to global investors, is economic security, is national security.in this new era of american bullying, the attractiveness is that all other nations are kept down. so america doesn't need to draw investment from quiet professional advancement. so it can build ornate things.
>>541198782>If the plant was on one of those giant mine lakes you have it wouldIt would heat up the lake, create algae and ruin the lake for humans, wildlife , and cooling use.
>>541199024>Your energy comes from French NuclearNope, that’s a frequently repeated lie but Germany has energy self sufficiency. We might buy energy from france sometimes but that is simply the nature of the European common power grid and different prices at that time.>Pretentious euro speaking out of his ass.This is exactly what you did in regards to energy imports. Americans always have the least understanding about European politics but constantly try to lecture us on our own country.>PV and Wind only account for 20%, as they aren’t fully trusted as a backbone due to their efficiency/conversion limitations and distribution difficulties.Another lie or misinformed babbling. Renewable energy accounts for over 55% of our energy mix and it’s only growing.The promises of the nuclear shills have all been exposed as lies and solar + wind won.
>>541195393top one looks better
>>541193775Your skin is the color of poop.
>>541191457that's a european retard problem. it's hotter in the summer and colder in the winter here than all of europe and we have multiple reactors running year long without issue. have you tried not using somalians to run your decommissioned plants?
Why can't the jews just bring back freemasons for their middle-management, instead of these self-important tech midwits?
>>541192158>Nobody ever made plain brick buildings before the 20th centuryFucking listen to yourself.
>>541200266The problem are the low water levels in rivers due to the heat.You can’t magically ad more water if it doesn’t rain, your nuclear power plant will have to be shut down. And climate change caused our river levels to drop to historic lows this year.Nuclear power has shown to be not reliable enough to handle current conditions, let alone worsening future conditions.Luckily in Germany we invested heavily in solar and wind and didn’t have any issues compared to the countries who relied on nuclear. Hungary had load shedding and was shutting down factories because of failing nuclear power.
>>541199736Shalom!
>>541190970And do what with all of that nuclear waste, numbnuts?
>>541199730Why are you lying about something that is a public knowledge open to everyone? France supplies the largest share of Germany's electricity imports and France exports the nuclear.
>>54119973055% gross electric consumption you retard. Something which I pointed out. What of your industries, that operate with greater demands for energy input and conversion efficiencies. Instead renewables are dropped down to 23.8% from your same source when you account for final energy consumptions. Other sources note Germany with this retain a 60% import dependency. I actually hope you keep this shit up, that means all your factories and engineers will come to America if they haven’t been sourced to Poland/China or collapsed yet. Your shambolic industrial performance the last few years are reflective on that much more then your loose use of stats. Americans will lecture the German satrapy, from which Americans wrote your constitution, especially when you’re the perfect model of what policies to avoid here.
>>541201388The 55% is true because it’s for only for electricity, chiefly for things like households albeit with costs being very high in Europe. But this isn’t enough for a complex industrial economy, turning on light bulbs is not the same as what powers a car factory. He’s taking a very tunnel vision view of what an energy economy is.
>>541201388>Why are you lying about something that is a public knowledge open to everyone?It’s not a lie. Germany does not need to import electrical energy. We only do so if it’s cheaper and we also export energy if ours is cheaper than elsewhere in the EU common market. But we don’t rely on france. >>541201445>55% gross electric consumption you retard.No you retard, nuclear would also only produce electric power. This is the same category. >especially when you’re the perfect model of what policies to avoid here.The US is currently dismantling their empire and losing a war to shitskins. You’ve turned yourself into a global embarrassment and the century of US humiliation has just begun. If Germany was controlled by you, you wouldn’t seethe that we don’t do the same stupid shit like you do IN AMERICA!
>>541190970Way to solve a problem that doesn't exist. The issue isn't how pretty the building is.
>>541190970kinda looks like a mosque
>>541193144You a fucking idling retard on irc and you don't shut the fuck up here, fuck you
>>541201949Two more weeks until our century of humiliation begins lmao, now go cope in with your third worldist AI pictures. America in the mean time will continue selling its military aircraft (Nice eurofighter program you had lmao) and LNG to your flailing country.>55% gross electric consumptionYou just said your country has self sufficiency and your evidence is only it’s from electric consumption being half renewables. Yet you ignored the other facets of the energy economy while also dismissing Germany’s import dependency. Nuclear would significantly ease the electricity load in a more stable manner akin to France which has only a 40% energy dependency, far less than Germany’s 60+%. It has also avoided facing the catastrophic production contractions that has shaken the German economy. Nuclear also faces limitations and cannot be solely relied. But with France, Russia/Ukraine relying on it during war, China expanding it, and US Carriers using it, nuclear has a far more sturdier precedents of being a superior technology to implement even with its initially high infrastructure costs.
>>541190970What we need are nuclear powered data centers with closed loop cooling.
>>541191221Because you want servers as close to clients as possible. I don't want 300ms ping, I want 3ms ping. Build the data centers in residential areas. We have ten times as many devices on the Internet today as a decade ago, but the same infrastructure.
>>541191053This is the problem and has been since Bush Sr., LBJ, and the Israelis conspired to assassinate JFK.
>>541202475>Two more weeks until our century of humiliation begins lmaoIt began long time ago. Every day there are news about a new embarrassment for the US like your soldiers having to drink piss to survive on your vessels.>You just said your country has self sufficiency and your evidence is only it’s from electric consumption being half renewables.You’re really dumb are you?Energy self sufficiency means we don’t rely on imports as some shitskins here falsely seem to think. How much of that self-supplied energy is renewably is a different statistic. I showed you 55% of our currently consumed electricity is already renewable and it’s only increasing: >>541199730>while also dismissing Germany’s import dependencyWe are not dependent on imports. It’s a complete lie and made up by people who don’t understand the EU common energy market.>But with France, Russia/Ukraine relying on it during war,Why don’t you mention Hungary? They had to shut down their entire economy because of nuclear power. Doesn’t fit the picture right?>and US Carriers using itHaha these poop vessels are not a good example. They are useless and you can’t even control a straight with them. The only people your carriers kill are your own soldiers who die from suicide.
