Why are Americans so scared of socialism? are they afraid that it might work?
Holding the parasite class accountable is a threat to our democracy
>>541193262>socialism>work
>>541193262I wish commies would call themselves “ anti-business” its more honest and then we wouldn’t have to play the name game.They’re anti business with no idea on what to replace the engine society with.
>>541193429you work, they spend your money on niggers
>>541193490*engine of society
>>541193490If socialist china is anti business then why do they produce and sell so much?
>Socialism wins!!!>except it doesn't.Thanksgiving is socialismn and the socialists hate it.
>>541193560Because they’re no longer following Marxist principles. They have private business and a stock market. The socialists here like dsa are explicitly anti capitalist and anti business. Any more questions?
them commies, ain't got no idea. business is the engine society. better dead than read a hyuck hyuck darn tootin
>>541193672I edited my comment and you still decided to spergout. Funny.
>>541193650US literally ban the import of chinese EVs because they can't compete
>>541193262Decades of cold war propagandaBut Mamdani's policies aren't really socialist. Hardly radical compared to shit we had in our nation's past.
>>541193789>you must allow AI data gathering robots, manufactured by a hostile power, on your streets.it's a national security issue, retard.
>>541193262>are they afraid that it might work?Why would they be afraid of that?It's failed every single time it's been tried and there's countless empirical evidence showing this.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/coep.12010Socialists are basically flat earthers/astrologers of economics.The fact people still believe in socialism shows IQ has really taken a dive.
>>541193321>give the parasitical government more power daddy!>>541193792>Decades of cold war propagandaThat "cold war propaganda" was basically 100% correct and didn't go far enough.
>>541193262>Why are Americans so scared of socialism?Yeah gee why would taxpayers be angry at their tax dollars being wasted, man its so hard to figure out.Your favorite jeet-African niggerdani is currently trying to figure out how to make his taxpayer funded government grocery stores work. Yesterday they announced they are currently examining a plan to give local bodegas in the area near the government store 'subsidies' (welfare) to prevent them being put out of business by the government store......... you couldnt even make this shit up if you tried.www.nationalreview.com/corner/mamdanis-bodega-bailout/kek
>>541193262>>541193490mamdani is really just controlled opposition. he makes seething poors happy by promising some alternative, but all it amounts to is incremental reform like higher taxes for the rich and the same promises you always hear about. the same sentiment that makes people like luigi kill, and makes others celebrate him, is the same sentiment that drives people to vote for mamdani. but as there is no feasible or possible alternative to capitalist realism, mamdani exists as a pressure release value for the pent up hatred of the jealous seething masses wishing for such an alternative.
>>541194024uhh what do you think all those flock/ring cameras and AI chatbots are for?
>>541194148>Yesterday they announced they are currently examining a plan to give local bodegas in the area near the government store 'subsidies' (welfare) to prevent them being put out of business by the government store......... you couldnt even make this shit up if you tried.HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No fucking way./pol/ will defend this shit btw LMAOOOO
>>541194075What's wrong with that? why does anyone need more than 1 billion dollars there is nothing you can buy that is even worth that much
>>541194130It equates a whole slew of ideologies down to just "USSR bad". Ignoring democratic socialist policies in European and Asian nations during the same time frame. Hell if even looked at the nationalization of industries as communism and thus evil. Which is what led to actions that made Iran hate us like they do.But please explain to me how a modest 4% tax increase on corporations and the highest tax bracket would lead to our descent into a command economy.
>>541194217>if your own government spies on you, you have to allow foreign governments to spy on you as wellreally?
>>541193262>takes from whites to give to browns.>why don't you like itkike thread
>>541194421>What's wrong with that?The money isn't liquid cash. It doesn't actually exist. It's just the value of their companies.Also the fact the money they do have is saved or invested is a good thing because it results in more economic growth, ie. more goods and resources for the working class.The working class receive 99% of the end product of production anyway(consumer goods and services). Taking saved money from capitalists and spending it is the same as printing money, it would just cause inflation and nobody would be better off.When the government spends taxed dollars, it basically comes out of YOUR pocket.>>541194425>Ignoring democratic socialist policies in European and Asian nations during the same time frame.Those were pretty rare. The ones that did exist bankrupted countries like Sweden so they reversed them and thrived.>But please explain to me how a modest 4% tax increase on corporations and the highest tax bracket would lead to our descent into a command economy.It wouldn't, but you're ignoring the fact everything is so fucked up right now due to the money printing, not a slight change in tax rates.We're printing far more every month than what that 4% increase in taxes would bring.
>>541193490>with no idea on what to replace the engine society with.not really true socialists are statists who want to give all the power and wealth in society to the government in the absurd belief that it wont be corrupt and exhibit bias and favoritism as does literally everything humans do. They pretend to be helping people by giving out tax money but really their main agenda is giving more power to government bureaucrats. The reason people rightfully fear socialism is because it is like a cancer expanding government and giving out more entitlements which cannot be rescinded until the system collapses.
>>541194024>it's a national security issueIt's only okay if it is backdoor only by the jews we can't allow yao ming control over americans correct?
>>541193262Socialism as a whole doesnt work. That’s why you take the good aspects and combine them with right wing beliefs like National socialism does
>>541193262>brown socialism
>>541193496This
>>541193262Because the socialists in this country hate White people and have said repeatedly they're going to take everything from Whites to give to everyone else
>>541193429>capitalism>worknext you are going to pretend windows doesn't exist nor history book so it's real in your mind ?
>>541195159>>capitalism>>workuh yeah?
ReminderMamdani got 8 billion dollars from Hochul, so from now on every time upstaters say the city steals from the rest of the state, they're right. Mamdani stole 8 billion dollars from the pension fund, and in a few years when the bill comes due there will be millions of hard working Americans that will get screwed out of their well earned money so that immigrants can do absolutely nothing with their lives, take up space, and make America a worse placeMamdani is a curse to NYC and will be remembered as the worst mayor of all time
>>541194601Sweden is far from bankrupt. Their neighbors, the Finns, are doing worse and that's BECAUSE their right wing cabinets have slowly dismantled the social democratic practices that have a proven track record of actually working for decades before being tampered with.
>>541193262Because I'm a white man and you want to kill white men. You can talk about class (unless they're rayciss) and corporations (unless it's big pharma cashing in on an experimental vaccine nobody needs) and the police state (unless they're gulaging Capitol protestors) but I don't believe any of it. What you really want is to enslave/kill white men and it's obvious.
>>541193262people just really love alan dershowitz
>>541193262MA’AMDANI LOVES TRANNIES
>>541195056>Because the socialists in this country hate White peoplethat's sort of an oversimplification since many if not most in the DSA are college educated whites who think they are going to be the ones running the socialist government and getting rich redistributing the funds stolen from the productive private sector people. They use race baiting to motivate voters. Literally every political issue is framed as correcting some supposed racial inequity from the past. example we need to raise billions in taxes to reroute this highway that was built though a black neighborhood by the evil white people.
>>541193262Because Khmer Rouge,GDRSoviet RussiaCubato name a few shitholes that killed more than we were able to as National Socialists.
>>541195300Shit comparison. Cambodia was a shithole even before they adopted communism. Pol Pot was a fucking retard who tried to implement socialism in the weirdest, most fucked up ways.
>>541195487>jew liesmany such cases
>>541195394he makes jews seethe
>>541195430you will face the wall in the next 5 years or become a national socialist, is the current day analysis faggot
>>541193262We saw what socialism did against the Church in the Spanish Civil War.
>>541195558Uh, no. No I won't>>541195506All of them shitholes with dumb, uneducated people who wouldn't know opportunity if it smacked them in the face with a dick, + long histories of autocratic leaderships with no understanding of anything else.
>>541195430RETARDRead a book you moronYou people don't care that your policies dont work and cause suffering, you support them anyway because you hate the working class>>541195527>he didnt do socialism rightyou guys say this about every example of socialism in history
>>541193262Americans literally don’t know the difference between socialism and communism. They genuinely believe everyone who advocates for socialism is the exact same as a lunatic like Josef Stalin or Fidel Castro, and go into a feral screeching rage at the mere mention of the word.
>>541196313>you guys say this about every example of socialism in historyHappens to be a valid example. It's always been tried in failed states where the locals can't keep their shit together and working no matter what system they're trying. Are you really saying that a place like Cambodia is some paragon and a shining example of high culture and education? They were simple rice farmers for fucks sake.
>>541193262Pretty good bait post, faggot.Final bait grade: 4.5/10
>>541193262Race communism was not what I had in mind
>>541195430>dismantled the social democratic practices that have a proven track record of actually workingThis is the most delusional claim I've read all day!
>>541193262Why are they saying it's socialism. He hates Jews. People don't vote for Jew haters. Stop saying socialism and call him out properly.
>>541196854That's because you're an uneducated American buffoon.
>>541196579Dumb esl poster
>>541196313So I refreshed my memories on what happened in Sweden in the early 1990's. They were dumb enough to deregulate their financial institutions, which led to out of control debt and overheating of the housing market, until the bubble burst. Literally nothing to do with communism/socialism. If anything, the incident was used as an excuse to privatize perfectly well functioning government services, which is straight disgusting capitalism.Twat.
>>541197425fucking retardsocialism was literally bankrupting themif they didnt do these reforms they would be a third world shithole todayyou people are utterly fucking clueless holy fuck>waaaahh sweden should have turned out like argentina with skyrocketing debt, poverty and inflationkill yourself
>>541197946>>541197425pic relatedsocialists are retarded as alwaysThere is a reason why hyper capitalist Switzerland has the highest wages in europe.
>>541197946Sweden deregulated their financial institutions, which led to out-of-control lending. They also maintained the value of their currency, the Svenska krona, artificially high which hurt their exports. Nothing to do with communism, apart from the fact that the Soviet Union collapsed around that time which created a shock to the system across that whole region. "Brain drain" and "creativity being stifled" are the usual boogeymen used as an excuse by beggars to beg for (undeserved) tax breaks. Their neighboring Denmark taxes the shit out of the rich and is doing just fine, apart from the spastic orange retard threatening to steal clay from them.
>>541194601>Also the fact the money they do have is saved or invested is a good thing because it results in more economic growth, ie. more goods and resources for the working class.this is the exact opposite of the truth. those monies have no velocity, meaning the dollars are only spend once or twice. working class money has velocity. you get paid, you buy groceries, the store buys more stock, etc. this low velocity causes asset bubbles, which is growth which is based on nothing of any underlying value, like ai shit. these saving all go to assets, not consumer goods. this drives up the prices for everyone, as seen in the housing crisis driven by wall st buying up single family homes as investments.the driver of the economy is consumer demand. if there is no demand for goods, and the working class has no money, the economy locks up. sales slow, and hiring stops or reverses. it also means the government has to run a deficit in order to keep the money supply circulating instead of stagnant in asset investment. otherwise, there would be nothing to spend. in a one to one way, all that saving and investment needs to be countered with new money supply. this is the only thing preventing widespread unemployment and business failure.https://www.counterpunch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Killing-The-Host_PDF_V7.pdfthe government does not spend tax dollars, those dollars are effectively destroyed, a deflationary effect. the government creates new money each time it spends. the government does not need to tax in order to spend.
>>54119326270 million dead. That's why.
No such thing as a socialist/communist in the USIf you pay taxes then you are participating in a Republic that utilizes capitalism for economic means and votes democratically Enjoy the LARP
>>541193262This guy has accomplished nothing btw>judge stopped his property taxes >first grocery store not until late 2027 then one more 2029>bus still costs money>brooklyn still a crime shitholefell for it again award
>>541193262When has socialism worked, faggot?
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>>541194024The US could have easily required that all these vehicles be connected to Americans servers or even that its internet capability be removed permanently. Find a better excuse retard.
Not all Americans, and less every day. Mamdani is showing it can work.
>>541193262After the coming crash they'll change their tune
>>541203511It won't work in the long run. Businesses over time will bleed to more business friendly states.
>>541193262We had real socialist politicians in the past but don't expect Americans to know anything about our own history.
>>541203589You are wrong. Do you want the case studies of socialism that prove you wrong? They aren't from the United States, of course, but in other countries, I can show you some. If you want case studies from the United States, that would take1) More Timw2) The CIA not Executing Socialists or engaging in Color Revolution Behavior
>>541193262because we want to walk our dogs not eat them
ITT socialist retards getting REKT
>>541203672That doesn't seem to be happening though
>>541203625Already had a DSA mayor in NYC too and he lasted only 3 years until crime was so bad that Giuliani took over.
>>541203733Why do you retards lie like this? Mamdani is the first DSA mayor.
>>541194519/thread was right here
>>541203764nope>David Dinkins, New York City’s first Black mayor, was a long-time member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)
>>541193262The only way socialism could possibly "work" would be in a completely homogenous society where everybody contributes equally, and those who don't go in a wood chipper.
WTF I hate workers rights!!
>>541203817No link, I don't believe you. I don't care what source you cite, fuck you and die.
>>541193262>>541193429socialism does work.if it didn't, there would have been no need for a cold war. there would have been no need for CIA death squads, regime change, puppet dictatorships, invasions, false flags, proxy militias, economic hitmen or school of the americas
>>541203908Wow you're gayNo wonder you use a trip and namefag
>>541203589>Businesses over time will bleed to more business friendly statesThe solution is simply to make them federal laws.
For some reason Twitter spoon feeds me weirdo democrat party insiders going bonkers over ACP and accusing people there of sex crimes.
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Every socialist is a pure retard.They don't even know in China that health care is covered by employer insurance and you have to pay for 30% of the bill. It's not socialized and 5% of their society has no health coverage at all. Thats 70 million ppl.Remind them of that next time you see one of these larpers
I'm tired of the who Rs vs Ds, and how they never accomplish shit. I'm willing to give the DSAs a shot.And I'm sure as fuck never voting AIPAC again. Fuck Israel.
>>541204155Who said we wanted to copy china? We're clearly after the Nordic model
DSA are neocons.This is a red pill none of you are ready for.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGVkNi3fcMwDemocratic “Socialists” of America originate from the exact same roots as Neoconservatives. Specifically, they grew out of anti-populist and anti-Leninist tendencies AND Western chauvinism against Third World countries implementing Marxist-Leninist governments to gain their sovereignty. They are "Third Camp" Trotskyists. Both Irving Kristol and Michael Harrington were disciples of Trotskyist Max Shachtman and this legacy is carried by the DSA today.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jujUklScZucThe ideology is also the same. Neocons despise ordinary people. Most neocons were former Trotskyists and Trotsky, likewise, HATED the working-class. Likewise, the godfather of Neoconservatism Leo Strauss saw himself and his students/cult followers as philosopher kings. This is largely because neoconservatism is an expression of Jewish supremacy. Jews believe they are the "CHOSEN PEOPLE" and seek to preserve their ethnocentrism and tribalism against the universal brotherhood of man brought into the world by Christ. You can't separate these things.The Straussian cabal is very real and still holds loads of ideological power within American politics. It's my opinion that the DSA, in spite of claiming to be "anti-Zionist" and "anti-imperialist," are simply the next incarnation of the Neocons and will follow the exact Neocon playbook once elected. It's a known fact that many Neocons from the Bush II era have now since become Democrats and publicly supported Kamala Harris over Trump on the basis Trump wasn't Neocon enough (Bill Kristol comes to mind here). This must be exposed.
>>541194298Lol please let it happen it will be hilarious
>>541204155for people under 65 the percentage is about twice that for people without insuranceevery capitalist is a retard, with more people there's a greater work force. if you have a system with preventive medicine that takes care of problems early on, they cost less to fixinstead, we wait until people are old and the most medically expensive to take care of
>>541193262Alex Soros is a financial contributor to Mamdani, which means he's not a socialist he's an accelerationist for dystopian capitalism that the Soros family favors.
>>541204411no matter how good your preventative medicine is people will eventually get old and their healthcare expensive
>>541204265True but unfortunately stupid people aren't reached with information. The point of importing the third world into the USA or Canada is A. they're stupid, B. they drag down the average IQ for whites by proximity. Erasing the white majority is how they'll usher in their faggot ersatz socialism, which is just a replay what transpired in Latin American countries.
>>541193429/threadrest of thread is brownoid marxshits coping
I'm voting for brown commies and nobody can stop me
>>541204229Those models req spending 12% of GDP so you will need 4 Trillion per year if you plan on paying nurses and doctors a low wage like Sweden of around $90k which won't fly so a more realistic cost is 15% of GDP. However first you have to build all the hospitals >Cost Per Bed: Ranges from roughly $940,000 for community general setups to $3 million+ per bed You need at least 5-6000 hospitals so either build or buy private one's.Doctors already work for private hospitals so you will need at least 500k filled positions of new doctors and they will all be haalloo saar I am Dr Vindaloo
>>541203473>>541203920
>>541204742socialism "doesn't work" but there are constantly people murdering socialists from doing socialism. hm.
