Julius Streicher was the owner of the German Newspaper "Der Sturmer", a publication which produced antisemitic writings, promoted antisemitic conspiracy theories, and called for the destruction of Judaism in Europe and supported the persecution of Jews. Streicher was not a government official, had no personal participation in the alleged crimes of the Holocaust, and yet he was found guilty of Crimes against Humanity and sentenced to death by hanging which was carried out on October 16th, 1946. On the other hand, he was found NOT GUILTY on the other 3 counts he was charged with. He was found not guilty of 1) Common Plan or Conspiracy 2) Crimes against Peace 3) War Crimes. And yet was found guilty of Crimes against Humanity due to his role as a propagandist inciting the crimes. Essentially, the Nuremberg trials established that propagandists, people who own newspapers or people who do nothing more than publish opinion pieces, can be found guilty of crimes against humanity and can be sentenced to death for it. The logic was that you didn't have to personally kill someone or order someone to personally kill someone, if you were deliberately inciting and contributing to the persecution then you were guilty of the crime.How does this not violate western ideas of freedom of speech, and how does it not set a standard of guilt that can be used in future trials to prosecute people who were never directly involved in government activities?
Freedom of speech does not cover calls to violence against others.
>>541257975https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwartzbard_trial>jew living in france>murders ukrainian>claims antisemitism at the trial>acquitted>walks free because goy blood means nothing to a jew
>>541258010But there is a difference between inciting your government to do something VS inciting an individual to harm another individual. As an anarchist would tell you, everything the government does is inherently violent, as it only has the power to do things by being a monopoly on violence. Taxing people, deporting people, waging wars in other countries, it's all violence. One could argue using this logic that all Americans who are talking about how we should deport people, or how we should invade x,y,z country, are contributing to crimes against humanity and should be found guilty of crimes against humanity in a courtroom
Anti-semitism isn't free speech
>>541257975They weren't US citizens you dumb nigger.
>>541258010It does.
>>541257975>>541258186He is an individual, who was not a participant in government activities, who was vocally supporting the activities his government was lawfully doing (according to their laws). and this is a crime punishable by death?
>>541257975https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kbkysPTnHcSocial media has primed an environment where this type of degeneracy is not only accepted, it thrives. Social media desensitizes and radicalizes even moderates into believing heinous and abhorrent behavior is acceptable under the correct context. Spend just 5 minutes on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, you will find hordes of these deranged people. They exist among us. The FBI knows about them but never acts until it is far too late. Western society is on a one-way fast track to collapse as long as social media continues to destroy minds and decay the culture.
>>541258233WW II was a special uncharted territory when it comes to the legal side. Nazis could not really be judged by everyday laws due to the magnitude of their crimes.
>>541258203But the US was a prosecutor and helped to organize the trials. Should the US participate in trials that are not up to American standards of justice?
>>541258200It is. It means being against semitism, which is fine. Or is being anti-european, for example, also excluded from your concept of free speech?
>>541258466But the whole point of the Nuremberg trial was to judge them as individuals and not as a state. The whole point was to take away the legitimacy that being a state carrying out what is lawful according to the state gave them. A person who was responsible for 2000 deaths in a camp was charged with 2000 counts of murder. and I can see if someone were to tell their friend, "Go kill this person" and then they did it, this person would be charged as a conspirator or even for the murder itself and would be punished. but that assumes the crime would not have happened if not for the friend. and the holocaust would have still happened if it was not for Julius Streicher. Why not charge every German who voted for the Nazis or wrote newspapers supporting them, if they all held guilt for the crimes the Nazis commited?
>>541258466The whole point is there are no universal laws. They should have been judged by German law.
>>541257975It was part of the American empire forcing their values on others. It was the beginning of a drawn out plan to re-educae Germans, and so it showed the intent of Americans to have an empire. Many international institutions were also built for this purpose.It as all done so quick, we have to assume the americans had many elites committed for a long time to a world empire.
>>541258618>Why not charge every German who voted for the Nazis or wrote newspapers supporting them, if they all held guilt for the crimes the Nazis commited?Kaufman actually suggested doing that.
>>541258466Yes, rebellion against blood nobility always begets unusually harsh treatment. The sad part is the rebels are always right. The nobility is actually inferior to the people they rule over and society does better without them. Even their own ethnicity (jews) is better off and safer without the banking families and their pet dogshit philosophers.
>>541257975The nazis violated free speech so I don't give a shit about your crocodile tears.
>>541258743Ah, someone in favor for a Slave State. Peak Anti-Aryanism. As to be expected from a mutt.
>>541258770The nazis were right to liquidate the jewish aristocracy and their influence, and trample every abstract right doing it. They were only wrong to include the common jews instead of focusing all of their efforts on totally wiping out the bloodlines of the bankers. All for the assumption that the common jew could not be turned against their evil kin.
>>541257975ahwelpthat's it.pack it up everybody. OP told the teacher on the jews and now theyre gettin put in time-out.good job, OP. you cracked the case and solved the crime now jews are gone forever and everything is perfect just like that
>>541258857>being ruled by degenerated inbreds is based and aryan, actually
>>541257975Was he the original/pol/tard?
>>541258770I dont care about your free speech. People who cant name the jew and say retarded things like you should not have free speech. Leftists should not have free speech.
>>541258877>The nazis were right to liquidate the jewish aristocracyThe fuck are you on about??The entire point of Nazism was to liquidate the grassroots shtetl judaism in favor of the Rothschild Third Temple program!You know the "whole-burnt offering" from the Torah where an aaronite priest burnt cattle as an offering to God? The word used for it in the OG Septuagint is "holocaust".
>>541258877>>541259226Daily reminder that Adolf Shekelgruber captured Louis Nathaniel de Rothschild and let him go
>>541259226>z You stupid slavic fucks have ben generationally btfo out by nazis and seeing you guys all itt still SEETHE about them is hilarious. You were not even alive during their time and you have this absolute triggered hatred for themAll you russian faggot shills so fucking funny You poles and french all seethe about nazis They fucked you good
>>541259259>Adolf Shekelgruber captured Louis Nathaniel de Rothschild and let him goThis is obvious. The real conspiracy is trying to trace where the assets that Nazis "confiscated" eventually ended up. (Probably Israel if I had to guess.)
>>541259313>hatredWrong word, it's disgust and not hatred.The Nazis were the biggest shabbos goys the world has ever seen, and there's nothing more pathetic than a shabbos goy.
>>541259226It was to push the jews out of europe. They didn't want them in europe anymore.
>>541257975>Nazi Germany violates free speech>They cry when their free speech gets violated after they lose the warPlease explain why I should care?
>>541259533So you don't actually believe in principles then?
>>541259571>Nazi Germans are heroes, in the right, pricipled and just when they violate free speech>Other people are not.Huh?Please, explain this contradiction??
>>541257975The nuremberg sham kangaroo court was talmudic "justice" in action, it had nothing to do with western legal precedent as such. Patton called this out which is why the jews whacked him
>>541258466The only crime Germany had was losing the war. The trials were show trials. BTW the soviets agreed to split Poland with Germany and all you Russians could do is deny and claim the document was foregery.
>>541259702According to this murderers shouldn't get a trial, you should just kill them immediately. They didn't give their victim a trial afterall.Also criminals shouldn't be able to speak, or have a fair trial. If you have principles, you stick to the principles. You don't get to say "I don't like that person so they don't get my principles". That's not how it works at all. This is supposed to be a TRIAL, you know, an application of laws. Instead it's a show-trial and ritualistic hanging, am I right?
>>541259720Pretty sure Germans committed tons of crimes during the war.
>>541259758...Again, you laud Nazi Germans as Heroes, Just and Righteous Gods who can do no wrong when they violate free speech.But other people are evil when they do it.Please explain how you came to this logical conclusion?
>>541259818Because it's a different story when you're in wartime and your nation is about to be destroyed. In exceptional situations like that, normal thinking doesn't apply.
>>541259786Such as? The USSR is the force who rampaged, raped and murdered throughout Europe but soviets get a pass on everything. The hypocrisy is off the charts. And also the Germans were forced to sign fake confessions or their families would be placed in danger or some had their tesicels crushed forcing a confession.As you know the Nuremberg trials were show trials.
>>541259879>Such as?They killed like 25% of Belarus' entire population
>>541259854Oh. So it's different with Nazi Germany, they are gods and heroes that can never do anything wrong.Just say that right away
>>541259758Because if the allies didn't put them on trial then they would be said to be afraid to put them on trial. It was about administrating justice in a manner that concludes the war that shows the allies as victims to perpetuate the holohoax narrative.
>>541259939The whole point of the nazi ideology was "the white blood cells fighting the infection". It was fixing the emergency situation the state found itself in. It's like when the Romans would appoint a temporary dictator during a crisis.
The truth is in the west we don't have freedom of speech. The faggot government gang stalks you if you disagree with it.I, for example, believe men who have sex with men should be put to death, and they made me lose my job again yesterday.Where is the threshold of what is allowed and not? I basically just don't want people to be allowed to have gay sex. Why is that so conttaversial?
>>541260022Yes. And Nazi Germany can do no wrong, or sin or crimes. They are thus always in the right.Thus the Nurmberg trials were completely wrong since by definition the nazis never could commit crimes.
>>541257975During the Cold War our greatest Asian allies and Defenders of the "Free World" were military dictatorships.
>>541260022Yes but why was Germany punished for fighting back? Because the jews were the ones infecting Germany and they controlled the allies. >>541259914Yeah well slavs are subhuman who adopted communism instead of reaching their hands out to friendship with Germany. Why is it only the germans were able to throw off the jewish domination but others were not?
>>541260154Well, aren't you just mumma's edgiest lil' chuddie?
>>541260094>And Nazi Germany can do no wrong, or sin or crimes.They did less wrong than the allies who's fundamental tactic was "firebombing civilians", and considered civilians a legitimate target of war.
>>541258200Of course anti semitism isn't free speech. Jews want their royalties
>>541260206That doesn't answer my question retard. The Russian white army lost against the Bolsheviks who were funded by new york bankers. Why are you so weak and stupid? You let jews dominate and manipulate you. This is why even despite stalinism the USSR imploded in on itself despite winning in WW2. Hitler was right about the USSR just a little off on timeline of it collapsing.
>>541259143You do know Streicher was a Jew, and 'former communist', no?All the graphic artists he had working for him at Der Stermer were Jews seconded from the advertising industry. The Nuremberg Trials were staged for the TV cameras in order to get film to show to stupid goy children like the people who post here.ALL the performers at the Nuremberg Trials were Jewish actors (except a few army grunts).The Question is - why do goyim believe this shit?
>>541257975purimfest 1946
>>541260296I don't think you are intellectually capable of holding a proper discussion.
>>541260272No. Not less wrong you fucking jew.They did no wrong, nothing wrong, they are by definition unable to do anything that would be deemed wrong or crime we went over this.
>>541260272I do not recall Allies killing 25% of Germany's civillian population.
>>541260325>purimfestDon't be ridiculous. No one died at Nuremberg.Got any other Jewish Movies you'd like to discuss?
>>541260356Second baseless insult in a row. You are triggered and now refuse to honestly debate with me.You subhumans can't even control your emotions properly. Its not wonder how the jews can so easily exploit you.
>>54126038150 million deaths in WW2, most of that was the allies fireboming civilians, then blaming the Germans "you made us do this!">>541260357The allies killed a lot of civilians, where's the show-trial for them?How did they treat the Germans who were on trial btw? Torturing them, raping them, beating them. Like a muslim country or some other uncivilized shithole that just won a war, basically
>>541260561>50 million deaths in WW2, most of that was the allies fireboming civiliansAre you living in a seperate reality? No more than 3 million German civillians died during WW II.
>>541260561You are still not saying it.Say that the nazis did nothing wrong and never committed any crimes you fucking jew kike nigger.
>>541257975>and how does it not set a standard of guiltit did"international court" is obviously a sham and kangaroo court that will never happen again, or if it does it will repeat the same mistakes
>>541260561Yup. The allies were bombing the Chinese and filming the atrocities to create war propaganda against Japan. >>541260621Germans only killed partisans not civilians. Anyone who is a partisan was executed on the spot as partisans are not protected by the Geneva convention for rules of war since they don't wear insignia. It's not the germans fault so many civilians transformed into war fighting partisans in the occupied countries they defeated.There's your answer.
>>541260612Most of the dead germans were the army or the men drafted for war. They were classified as "disarmed enemy personnel" and the Americans let around 5 million of them starve. Another 5 million or so german civilians were ethnically cleansed after the war when polands borders were forcefully moved westward thus ethnically cleansing millions more german people. So i would say approximately around 10 to 15 million germans died from that war. And most died after the war from harsh treatment and not from the war time fighting. As they say about war is always played on the backs of the civilians.
>How does this not violate western ideas of freedom of speech,If your publication's entire existence is to advocate for war, and you care about the war so much you are literally running the printing press by hand and yelling it over a loudspeaker within Zoo Tower as Russians surround you then you asked for it and get what you deserve.It's no different than what will happen to miggers. You asked for war, you got a war. If you lose the war, you will be crushed. There are no second chances. There is no mercy. You didn't give mercy to people you tried to destroy, so when they march in don't expect it in return. Israel will be crushed and every Fox Podcaster will be minecrafted in minecrafted with a side of roblox toilet erp. They will cry about freezed peaches in the same breath they hit you and demand you die for israel. I'm just not gonna deal with that, and neither does anyone else.
>>541259176You already say that anyway so I don't care about your free speech. When you stop advocating for the destruction of free speech, then i'll care about yours. Otherwise, shove your fake crocodile tears up your ass, liar.
>>541259454Nice fake propaganda, projection and cope. Holy shit. Slavs are so butthurt they are Germanic rape babies and at the best you are slaves to a germanic czar or the worst genocided.Get a damn grip. If you retards created a fascist Russia then the germans would've held out their hand to friendship to you like they did the Finns, the hungarians, the Italians, even the Yugoslavians could do it. But apparently white Russians can't do it and accept blood purges, famines and wall street aid. Hitler tried to save the slavs in Russia from soviet communism with 60 million of you supporting Germany but it wasn't enough. The red army and their gulags were too great alongside lend lease. How can you not understand the soviet union was the devils creation?
>>541258466>due to the magnitude of their crimesThat we're not allowed to doubt, question, or examine. Go fuck yourself. You're the evil side.
>>541261889>That we're not allowed to doubt, question, or examine.You are literally free to do that in the US and many made careers out of it.
>>541258618>Why not charge every German who voted for the Nazis or wrote newspapers supporting them, if they all held guilt for the crimes the Nazis commited?They basically did by putting them in concentration camps, starving them, taking what they had, fixing them to mine and do logging for their occupiers, and there were plenty of civilians subjected to firing squads, all proudly on video recorded and presented by the Allies themselves. And this was all during 1946 when the war was over.
>>541257975>Essentially, the Nuremberg trials established that propagandists, people who own newspapers or people who do nothing more than publish opinion pieces, can be found guilty of crimes against humanity and can be sentenced to death for it.Well just remember all this for later, when THEY'RE on the losing side of the war. They'll cry and call foul, but the precedence was set by themselves, lol. And it's always illegal to have supported the previous defeated regime, so sorry Jews! Jews will learn that the consequences of turnabout and their enemies doing what Jews did to them is why us goyim had all those "silly" rules about restraint, international law, and morals. Turns out it's not all just a bunch of goyim nonsense, Jews! Whoops!
>>541262201Brother you was posting the fish stench dispensery.
>>541258140French republic is a system that spread worldwide created to accommodate kikes and make their life easy in any country while making the native suffer. It's only that. Promoted by kike dick suckers free masons.
>>541257975winners are always right, it's the law of the world. Next time we win and we kill all the kikes and we will be in our right.
>>541259758>If you have principles, you stick to the principles. You don't get to say "I don't like that person so they don't get my principles".Anti-Nazi liberals cannot wrap their minds around this.
>>541258928Kikes are stealing slav genes by enslaving slav girls in Israel to try to make themselves less ugly, but in the process it makes them stupider
The whataboutist cries out in "what if the situations were reversed" as he gets killed. I would think you were g*rman given how autistic you're being about le heckin rulerinos. They wrote new rules for the trial to hang whoever they wanted to hang. The rules aren't a system, they're an excuse. It's not that difficult to understand.
>>541262232I'm sorry?
>>541262466Well the allies fought the war with a so called moral superiority so executing the leaders of the axis powers had to be done using the lie of "crimes against humanity". They made it up on the spot. It means no matter what retribution was to be had the germans would be hung for their supposed war crimes concluding the war with the utter defeat of the enemy.Of course Goering knew this was a show trial so he found a means of killing himself instead of giving the allies the satisfaction they wanted by killing him. He got to die on his own terms and that was his final FU to the allies.
>>541262637So you understand the situation perfectly but you still made a thread about it.
>>541262687Check my ID i didn't make this thread but yes i understand it perfectly. But what's odd is for the sake of discussion the allies claimed over and over the Germans were the ones in wrong just for simply losing the war. They literally changed the conditions for the rules of war during the trials to set their agenda. So while it was the escalation of the savegry of war the allies could do no wrong and the germans could do no right. So that's not to say certain Germans were found innocent not by merit of being correct but actually pulling strings. Do you Albert Speer the finance minister of Hitler's armament had connections with the freemasons? So he was spared and let go but still arrested by the new German government and spent 10 years in jail. But at least he wasn't hanged. And this was a man who never directly killed anyone but he was the brains behind Hitler's economy.
