Is Europe simply just cooked, chat?
>>541271737not if we stop being insane about immigration and stop letting chuds own the conversation
>>541271737I can undestand why the rate is so low in cold, unsociable, introvert north-eastern countries but how come in can be so low in Spain and Italy is beyond meyou people all have extremely extrovert and outdoor culture, each of you has 30 friends on average, you kiss women for greetings which alone should be enough to meet a future wife yet you don't have children, it's unbelievable
>>541271737It’s been cooked since the 70s. Once millennials retire and Gen X starts dying off , Europe will be something else.Pic related doesn’t include European women birthing mixed kids so you an assume it’s higher then 1/4.And a good chunk of whites will be more autistic due to later pregnancies and thus more mentally ill and gays.I don’t think Gen Alpha will log zoomers
>>541271739>in Spain and Italy is beyond mePoverty and the current social dis-order (women)
>>541271740Kys shitjeet, disgusting cow dung eating crawling worm
>>541271739This country is a turbofeminist shithole with increasingly absurd housing prices and job market. Nobody is having kids like this
Most economic problems facing the developed world could be solved by mass extermination of baby boomers
>>541271742Autist got triggered lolDeep down you know the furher would abort your disabled mommas boy ass for the sake of the European race.Your mom chose to be a slut and your beta dad settled for her.You wops are just lighter jeets. Eat some spider cheese.
>>541271745Your skin is the color of feces
>>541271739But Russia had one of the highest birth rates in Europe. Vodka and naked cuddling to keep warm is perfect baby making conditions. And anti social culture means she’s less likely to go out and cheat.Women hate the cold and snow
>>541271737Just stop giving money to old rich people and this would not even be a problem. It is WAY too crowded here and I would love to see the population of Sweden shrink to around 1 million.
France's rate is high, but isn't that just driven by immigrants? If it were just the white population, it would probably drop to levels seen in Poland.
>>541271746>reeeee you’re not whiteBeats being autistic,mentally ill ,balding, Alzheimer’s ,weaker bones ,eye cancer,skin cancer,sunburns and having a pigs ass complexion .You’re just albino jeets you hairy wog
>>541271747>But Russia had one of the highest birth rates in Europe. Lmao.
>>541271737Genuinely wtf is wrong with spain and shitaly? They have womanizer culture and low IQ so I would have expected them to have lots of unprotected sex.
>>541271749A lot of Europe is. Basically you take migrants out and other mixed babies , then it’ll be around 1. Similar to east Asia.
>>541271749It's not high retard. It is only 1.61 child per woman which is ridiculously low.
>>541271751Ya Soviet Union. They use to give mothers a medal after like 10+ kids or something.Even now Eastern Europe is the most populated part of Europe .
>>541271755>Eastern Europe is the most populated part of Europe .that's not even close to true dumb jeet
>>541271754For euro standards. Before it hovered around 2, similar to Ireland. It was even higher then Iran and Lebanon at one point
>>541271756https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-europe-subregion/Guess again swamp jew. I didn’t say density and your map ain’t fuvking complete
>>541271755Once the westerners die out, I and my lineage are going to be surrounded by trash like you. God help us.
Listen, dumb retard, everyone had Russia-tier birthrates at the time Russia had such high birthrates, which was a long time ago.Russian population is huge because they're sitting on the largest landmass in the world.
>>541271755Soviet birthrates were actually not particularly high since all the men were dead
>>541271737yes, because (((democracy))) uses the natural ups and downs of fertility rate to justify mass immigration from third world countries to protect their assets and create more competition for the lower classes
>>541271761Not anymore but hey who knows maybe there will be a baby boom after the war. Who had the highest in Europe ? Germany ?>>541271759>>541271760Dam bitch why so mad? Did your daughter race mix lol
>>541271751it did before the commies ruined everything. WW1 happened so Germany could save itself from being overrun by Russians. And they did anyway 30 years later, even after the sabotage project known as communism.
>>541271762So you admit chuds are low class.tike east Germany is full of incels because the women took off to the west.
>>541271737>>541271738>>541271739>>541271740Not my problem.
>>541271764You've been sitting on a landmass much smaller than Russia yet you've still had a shitton of people.The whatever the fuck gook retard said this:> Vodka and naked cuddling to keep warm is perfect baby making conditions. And anti social culture means she’s less likely to go out and cheat.>Women hate the cold and snowThis is a perversion of reality, Russia was simply sitting on a huge landmass.Ideas of Lebensraum in Germany are older than Hitler and Germans were emigrating due to overpopulation for a long time.Everyone in Europe had high birthrates at the time Russia did.Benelux and Germany are the most densely populated places in Europe.It is true that the German high command did calculate that Russia needed to have been taken out before it was too industrialised, as that would have been a nightmare. But it had nothing to do with something inherent to Russian society.
>>541271765>So you admit chuds are low classNo, "Chuds" are natural nobility.The low class people are the one complying
>>541271739Half their women live in cities in western-Europe where they dedicate their fertile years to doing pilates and drinking matcha.
>>541271767Yes, but the difference is that our overpopulation would escape our control while Russia's would not. They would all end up immigrating to less civilised places like Eastern Europe or America, where they would end up even fighting against the civilised world like how we saw in WW1 when America turned the tides against the powers of culture in the favour of the powers of greed and manipulation.
>>541271766I'd say european civilization collapsing demographically is kind of a problem for everyone
>>541271770>They would all end up immigrating to less civilised places like Eastern Europe or America, where they would end up even fightingSort of like German emigrants actually did.
>>541271765Post hands, streetshitter
>>541271737It’s literally caused by liberalism. Liberalism has destroyed most idelogies that tell people to limit themselves and work towards a future instead of living for hedonism. Liberalism is winning because people always choose the path of least resistance. Liberalism only forces you to work and pay taxes you don’t really have any other responsibilities than that.
>>541271772I'm talking about Germany.
>>541271774Enlightement put the fate in the hands of the individual. Of course, while the individual responsibility exists vast majority of people cannot be expected to follow a proper system of values, and in fact the reins will never be in the hands of the mass - just look at how the mass blindly follows the current trend despite the centuries of the plebian "liberation".Liberals thought they were fighting for a better future, but all they did was kill the manhood and replaced it with the money machine.
>>541271774I think there are multiple causes but relying on a state for support instead of your family is not a great way to incentivize people to have kidsIt also feels like some people just don't think in generations anymore, it's all about the individual. There are plenty of economical reasons that make it harder to reproduce right now but even in countries like Poland that seem to be doing pretty good the birth rates have just collapsed as well
>>541271776because liberals were delusional. they did not understand human nature in the slightest
>>541271774More like economic development, which just happens to coincide with liberalism for rather obvious reasons.
>>541271749Nothing to do with the blacks
>>541271751They used to have a TFR of ~7 back in Empire days. Currently it's 1.34, bottom average in Europe. Even their Muslims are mostly below replacement now
>>541271746bodied that cow piss drinking virgin FREAK lmao
>>541271777Well, remember when people talk about the collapse of the Roman empire? Some say it's all because of one or two reasons, but there are hundreds of reasons why the empire was falling, combined with entropy. It is wrong to assume that we can always see what causes a problem and solve it. Diocletian and the nobility at their time had no idea what caused the rampant economic crisis caused by inflation, because they didn't understand that the sheer number of coins on the market. They saw that coins devalued but thought that's because silver purity has dropped, so Diocletian reformed the entire economy to work on a barter system and actually managed to save it. Which is a cool detail since we do not necessarily need to know all the factors to solve an issue.Likewise, even I who randomly said "enlightement" should admit that the post cannot even end there. Just on the topic of enlightement and it's effects, thousands of pages of material and debates can be had.Women\s rights? There are many economic reasons. Even we, men and women have a different mentality. My grandparent and his brothers and sisters were living in poverty while their mother toiled on the field - they hardly knew their mother and their father has died of disease (but was a deadbeat cheater and a gambler).Do people really want to put their children through poverty and worse life? Children are not economically useful to the household unless you put them through part time jobs after the age of 16 but part time jobs are not reliable source of income and you would be practically taking money from your kid. Plus they're not reliable.By the time they are, they want to leave and live alone since if person has a choice more often than not they'd live a worse life alone than better with parents. Rational men do love their community, but we also cannot simply submit ourselves to retarded conditions just so our state can have 3 or 4 kids from our family. For what current state is thesacrificeworth?
Plus, I think often ignored is the entertainment. And women actually having rights.Women are naturally wired to select for the best they can it seems and this causes problems, since everyone thinks they deserve the best.Guys, meanwhile, are naturally wired to fuck and mate with anything to preserve the population.As such there is a disproportionate gender interest.Furthermore, it is easier than ever to entertain yourself. From drugs to social media to movies, many can entertain themselves alone.There are some more extroverted societies, but the fact remains - you don't actually need anybody to survive. Woman can get a job and rent an apartment just like a man can do and survive just fine. There are methods of contraceptions and abortion so they can have sex (free pleasure on top of millions of free pleasures our ancestors never had) without any consequences whatsoever.Of course, inevitably women and men need each other and they eventually "settle" but they always have inflated value of their objective worth, more often women than men.There are no real moral grounds on which our society is based anymore, morality is dead, nobody preaches it, men's reaction to woman bullshit is hypergamy and hatred, marriages erode because people are also emotionally not evolved because our lives are simply not rough at all even with all the negatives.We are simply in a spiral of a decline. There will be (un)enlightened despots appearing to try to solve this. Democracy cannot. Democracy will die. And despotism more often than not is everything but enlightened.We will transition to despotism and death as Spengler predicted.
There are also age - old problems of civilisation over tribal societies. Civilisations inevitably erode like they do. There is a reason we link the fall of Rome to the fall of the West.Read one page of Juvenal where he's seething that women racemix and abort,, cheat, that Syrians are larping as Greeks to enter Rome, that orientals are polluting Tiber...Lmao. Wish this man was here to post on /pol/.Sometimes all a man can who feels isolated from this degeneracy and ways of the masses and the world can watch and try to focus on his life.Maybe we won't be the ones getting to fight for real values, but our children or children of theirs can. Nothing is always grey and dark. We need to have one eye forward and raise good people and ourselves as good men. That's all the individual that's not aspiring to be a politician can do. And good luck trying to bring change to this system. You will get hated by everyone.
>>541271737Based Nafris saving France
>>541271739They all live with their mom and it's awkard to bring girls home
why can't we just ask Israelis about what they did so they have high birth rates while also living in a prosperous developed country with social media, feminism, women rights etc etc. so all these things eurochuds love blaming for low fertility?
>>541271740source for France?
>>541271774commie cope
>>541271741>>541271743>>541271777I think you have it backwards. The reason people aren't having kids isn't because they're too poor, it's because they're too rich. This is supported by the fact that even immigrants from countries with high fertility have their birth rates tank the moment they reach a certain economic level. The way I explain this to myself is that kids are high risk high reward with the reward beeing self fulfillment (people don't need kids to help plow the fields anymore). These days though there are plenty of low risk ways to acquire self fulfillment. Why would a person choose to dedicate 20 years of their life to raise a child when they can just pick up a hobby. Of course in the long run you'll be better off with a kid but people don't think in the long run.
>>541271737You're either a nonwhite or jerk off to this. There is no way a white person posts this and obsessed without getting a boner from it a little bit. Something for you to think about. It's just another pointless thing of an arbitrary metric the Jewish masters have given you to hate jerk off to in fear wank
>>541271771Did I stutter?
>>541271793Based
>>541271750You're all those things and the color of diarrhea. Most dysgenic race on earth.
>>541271737>more people bad>less people badSo, which is it?
now consider the fact that muslims breed faster than natives.What is the birthrate of actually european women?
>>541271737large families are no longer needed in a world where both the parents work and everyhting is expensive, so kids are a burden more than anything else, and not many people wat to bring kids to this thirdie infested world anyway
>>541271739>Spain and ItalyFeminism completely rotted the brains of women.
>>541271737if they don't get rape into extinction by muslims then maybe they are gonna put the fear to god on them
>>541271744this
>>541271737If we allow infinity niggers to come in? Yes, deep fried.If we only left natives, no it would be the most thriving time yet.But big corps want their cheap slave labour and Rich people want to keep the floor as low as possible.
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>>541271737Spain?
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>>541272178rape and also stupid shit made by the big players
>>541271737No Europe is fine. Replacement rates aren't a problem because there are so many immigrants who would love to move there.
>>541271796Birth rate needs to fall further and we should close our borders too.It all will return to how it should be then.
>>541271737Yes, it's literally over for Europe and East Asia. The future is 70IQ and brown.
>>541271784Women are herd animals, they don't """think"""" anything
>>541271741The answer is women. At no point in history has anyone ever said I'm too poor to have kids
>>541271738It's the Chuds who are causing this, not the brainwashed retards letting in millions of subhuman leeches
>>54127174018% of Portugal births are just Brazilians (mostly Portuguese, but you do get some negroes), and portuguese people born in ex colonies, like Angola and Mazambique.
>>541271753>Ukraine>RussiaCan someone explain again what Zelenskyy was thinking when he decided to try to join NATO? Did he really believe his aging population (who just wanted to join EU so they could emigrate) was a match for Russia?
Yeah the reality in Europe is far worse than I thought. The fertility rates are already extremely low, and the fact is that over half of these births are happening within immigrant households. If you only look at the native White fertility rates, they are likely less than half of the numbers shown in that graphic. This directly implies the end of the White race. Just think about 20 or 30 years from now when these children become adults. Do you honestly think they will strictly marry their own race? No. They will naturally integrate and mix as they grow up together. White people will become an even smaller minority, and the mixed race population will become the new majority, just like the USA
>>541271737 And? Bring the TFR down to 0.1, with AI and Earth's dwindling resources we will not be able to sustain more than 1 billion people on the planet.
>>541271737Has been since 1945.
>>541275956Fairly sure 1 billion Chinks, Indians and negroes will have it all figured out and save earth.
>>541271737It's a worldwide trend in majority of so called developed countries. I'm pretty sure we all understand where the problems lies, but I don't think a lot of people want to admit it.
>>541271750no it doesnt
>>541271737call me when this happens
>>541271737>Baby Boomers caused not only financial inflation but also population inflationyou dont hate boomers enough
>>541271752>womanizer cultureyou watch too many movies>low iqyou browse too much /pol/i'll have you know i have a perfect 100 iq score, the MAXIMUM.
>>541271739Mass immigration of men collapses the birth rate. It gives women barganing / societal power, hence enabling them to kill children and betray future generations for their own hedonistic enjoyment
>>541271750you stink
>>541271737There is only one reason and it's the same everywhere.
>>541271737Who cares?
>>541271737the fact that kikes keep shitting out babies while we're being told that "there's too many of us on this planet" is all you need to know that the most anti semitic thing you can do is marry a White girl and start a large family with her.any country with a fertiIity rate below in 1.5 is already cooked btw
>>541271741>Povertyyou have never been this rich in history
>>5412717491.62 is not high, subhuman
>>541277243Farid
Women rights and their free access to the job market were always a massive mistake and there is a reason why they've universally always had a 2nd class status in all civilizations that ever existed. But the cuck feminized propaganda we live in has gone so far, the few ones that realize that will never bring it up or they will be blacklisted from all parts of society.
>>541278622+ this is why the whole discussion about birthrate is meaningless as everyone talks about muh costs of living or other made up bullshit, when the truth behind it all that nobody ever touches is that women that are financially propped by daddy welfare state and not dependent on males for survival will never want kids no matter how much money in welfare you throw at them. It's like talking about high criminal stats in towns and talking about muh living conditions and ignoring the town is 20% niggers or illegal migrants
>>541271737>Is Europe simply just cooked, chat?had been cooked & cucked before we were born, if anything
>>541271737the only women who have any shown any interest in me are single mothers and id rather die alone than play somebody elses saved game.> 30m white, blue eyes.
>>541271737>WE NEED MORE GOYIM TO SLAVE AWAYkys
>>541275918>gook vpn>plebbit spacing>ugly bugoids in the pictureyep it's jeetin' time
Personally, I am glad we are hitting the "mouse utopia" population threshold in my lifetime. There was a threat that the entire world would look like Bangladesh before we hit the breaking point. But it turns out that South Asians just have a higher capacity to endure overcrowding, pollution, environmental destruction and general discomfort than the more intelligent races. Everyone else decided to stop having kids way before their homelands resembled Dhaka.
>>541279241mouse utopia is not a thing, only one guy did those experiments and it was never replicated
>>541271737>Romance languages
>>541271762>blaming democracy and da joosit's all self-inflicted by our "elites" who are dumb as bricks and the world's biggest cowards incapable of even contemplating rocking the boat to give future generations a chance
>>541271737GYATT ZAYUMN what a cool landmass
if anything these # are gonna be in the middle - upper tiers by 2040. we already see nations drop below 1 child per woman in asia & latin america - something which we never thought would see happen.
the entire world is cookedwe have created an anti-child culture and the nefarious thing is, the less children you have, the worse it gets. the less children you have, the less children are part of public life, part of the cultural tapestry, considerings in your daily activies.child-free weddings? absurd and unthinkinable in a culture where people have children. child-free restaurants, cafes, etc.? a result of childlessness that also encourages further childlessness by being a public negative signal to having children
>>541275806It wasn't his plan. He wanted peace. But before he assumed office the old parliament wrote the presidents obligation to force NATO membership into the Ukrainian constitution. Zelensky didn't have enough seats in parliament to revert the change. They fucked him in the ass. It wasn't his choice.
>>541280582>the entire world is cookedThis. Every economic system ever developed relies on birthrates high enough to at least sustain society. No developed country had such birthrates and feminism, smartphones, equality, opportunity costs, ease of divorce will make sure that no country will ever again.
>>541280958Like I said, I think it's culture.A society can "survive" all these things if it fosters a culture celebrating, elevating and supporting families.The average chud view on the issue is some degree of "deny women all rights" but's not only pretty much impossible, it's also.... you know, evil.
