I think we should burn down every data-centre and AI research facility that exists.
>>541273856were books printed only once?
Is this not some kind of violation of their policy? Can any book seller just dox their customers?>oh shit someone patronized us. Lemme use an electronic tracking device to circumvent their attempts at privacy and then publish their info in the fucking news.And how dare Amazon try to immortalize these books and make their contents available to the whole world. Total assholes.
>>541274007it's a fake story
>>541273992Some of them have been out of print for decades and aren't being printed because companies have no interest in it, or if they're printing the story it's an edited version that has changed the language to fit modern views. There are also collectable first editions stuff like that.
>>541274069It's not, this is just an easier way for companies to bypass copyright law.
>>541274007They're not immortalising the books, they're harvesting the information to feed into the language models and then destroying the books just so the AI can hallucinate some more bullshit and give you incorrect information.
>>541274069Try finding Danny Casolaro's The Ice king in print or PDF. You can't.
>>541274349I'm not denying that AI companies are buying books to scan and feed into AI training data. it only makes sense to do so. and they probably have zero resale value so it makes sense to shred / burn themI'm doubting this specific story about an airtag being shipped through the mail
Why do they want book data if every answer the AI feeds you is rearranged reddit replies.
>>541273856Judge Holden moment
>>541274504>and they probably have zero resale value so it makes sense to shred / burn themA lot of the books will have massive resale value to the average collector, but these companies are so massive that a $5000 book doesn't mean shit to them, they just want the harvestable data. Once they destroy the spine then basically all value would be lost anyway, and trying to clear that inventory isn't worth the effort or expense, so they shred the books and are either disposing the shredded paper or incinerating it on site.
>>541274691Because AI scrapping the internet to teach itself how to talk more like a human has led to the AI's feeding themselves the same data over and over to the point where the AI is creating content, posting it online and then training itself on the content it created. These older books are the only way to guarantee untainted training data.
>>541274915*Scraping.
>>541274816I highly doubt itcan they flip it as soon as they scan it for $5k? or do they have to keep it around for years and years in a climate controlled environment until someone might be interested?storing things costs money anon, and AI companies are not in the business of warehousing books.
This is slop journalism clickbait and you should know better than to engage with it.
>>541275121>AI companies are not in the business of warehousing booksThat's the point, they are buying valuable, collectable books, books that are already worth money, cutting the spines off which forgetting the monetary value of the book, it destroys the book itself, they then scan each individual page to digitise it, then they shred the pages to dispose of them.These are books that should be either in collections or museums to be maintained, not ripped apart because some dipshit techbro wants to make his chatbot slightly less shit.
>>541275455they bought the book, they own it, they can do whatever they want with itif you don't like it buy the book instead
>>541275140quasi fantasy working as intended
>>541275455>not ripped apart because some dipshit techbro wants to make his chatbot slightly less shit.They aren't doing this because the chatbots are shit, they're doing it because they want all information to be passed through their filter such that they can amend or hide it at their will.It's highly dangerous for someone to have a book at their house or at the library that they can read without the borg looking over their shoulder and telling them what is true and what isn't.
>>541273856The future belongs to the machines. You were blessed to see it happen. Have some gratitude.
>>541275455make a game and put it in a microusb then so it won't be scannable
>>541275514Oh fuck off with that bullshit, the destruction of cultural artifacts just to feed into a barely functional computer program is not something that should just be idly dismissed. You might as well say "let's set fire to the works of Da Vinci and Monet, it doesn't matter they sell posters of them in the gift shop! I have it as my phone background."
>>541273856If that rare book dealer wasn't so greedy he would have refused to sell.
>>541275855these books aren't artifacts. they're bullshit books that no one has read for 50 years that no one gives a shit abouttheir only value is as training data for LLMs
>>541273856>destroying the books for no reason instead of selling themSound fake. Amazon is all about making money. It makes no sense for them to destroy rare books that they could sell.
>>541275455>These are books that should be either in collections or museums to be maintainedWhat's stopping (You) from buying up some of those books you care so much about?(InB4 I'm a broke NEET who lives with mommy)So what's stopping (You) from starting a gofundme or other charity to buy and preserve all these books you care so much about? Bonus question, are you sure this is actually happening and not something entirely made up or completely exaggerated so that someone can get attention on social media?
>>541275920It's not uncommon for richfags to buy collections of valuable books just to decorate an ornamental library, so selling a large volume of books to someone wouldn't immediately raise suspicion.
>>541273856Fake and gay.
>>541275651>they want all information to be passed through their filter such that they can amend or hide it at their willThis this this.The (((AI))) kikes are implementing 1984's Ministry of Truth and rewriting history.
>>541275855also, why didn't the original seller digitize the book?it was sitting on their shelf for how many years? this rare book which no PDF exists of and they never cared enough to scan it in case there was ever a fire or something?is it because they thought they would get more money for the book if it didn't exist in a PDF?
>>541273856it's nobodies business what anyone does with a book. weird puritanism from people who want to keep a rare book on their shelf so no one but them can read it. if your business is selling books, sell books. trying to make some moral argument about who you sell to is strange.
>>541275929companies destroy useful things all the time. it's an economic calculation. they calculated that it made more sense to rip books apart (faster scan speed, greater scan accuracy) than to buy whole-book scanners and resell.
>>541275929It's not just Amazon, it's basically any AI company. But the main thing is the monetary value of the physical books is pittance to the data that can be harvested, and then theoretical value of the AI models which these companies can advertise to bolster their stock prices. All of this is about making it seem like AI is going to be this big thing because growth means value. None of this is to make things better for people, it's so they can attract investors.
>>541276169I think it's more so that they have the data exclusively so no other AI company can get the book and scan it for training datanon-destructive scanners don't take that much time vs running a model through an epoch of training data
>>541274816>A lot of the books will have massive resale value to the average collector, but these companies are so massive that a $5000 book doesn't mean shit to themThis is massively exaggerated bullshit. AI companies are not buying rare collectibles and rare first editions. It makes no sense from a business perspective to pay a premium and compete with niche collectors for books they have plenty of other editions with the same data in it. You are trying to scare everyone over a nothing burgerHave you ever been in a used book store or a warehouse?
>>541273856why shred the book after the scan is my problem with tis process
>>541276152Jesus fucking Christ are you retarded? The value of the book is it's PHYSICAL PRESENCE. A copy of The Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe that was reprinted this year does not share the same value as a first edition that was signed by C.S. Lewis, the same way the Statue of David is worth more than a plastic replica.
>>541276355I'm not saying that every single book is worth that much, but if the only way to get access to that potential training data is to destroy a copy of a book that only has a couple hundred copies left, you can bet your ass they'll do it.
>>541276445Because they don't want to go to the effort of moving the books on, they've already greatly devalued the book by irreparably damaging it, it's faster and more space efficient to shred the book and pour the shredded paper into a dumpster or incinerator. Once the book has been scanned it no longer has value to these companies.
>>541276005>Don't like what big jewish corpos and glowies are doing to your free speech rights?>Just build your own payment processors, goy>Just build your own banks, goy>Just build your own social media, goy>Just build your own Internet, goyFuck off with your jewish fake libertarian drivel, Chaim.
>>541276169>it's part of the process of scanning itThat's not great, but now they can just sell many people a copy of it. It's more accessible and the data is preserved, even if in a different format. Collectorfags will be pissed off because the exclusivity it gone and they can't rub their dick on it anymore or whatever, and I get that, but as long as people can still access the book I don't really care that much.
>>541274342So? If I wanted to buy those books and use them as firewood, it's none of your fucking business.
>>541276877Having a digital copy of something is not the same as the physical version. Imagine an unfinished hand-written manuscript of The Hobbit signed and gifted to a friend of Tolkien's, a digital photo of that is not the same as the physical thing touched by the creator, that passed through the hands of beloved people. The destruction of that thing so that it can be digitised as an image would be bad enough, but that isn't what is happening, these companies are feeding these books into the training data basically so that the AI model knows the difference between "there, their, and they're" or when to use "whom" instead of "who."This is obviously a gross-oversimplification, but it's basically what is happening.
>>541277232>a digital photo of that is not the same No, but it's something that I might actually own in my lifetime. So it's more accessible. I understand that collectorfags don't like it, but I don't really care about that aspect of it.>that isn't what is happeningAmazon has the scans. They can sell copies of them or a subscription to access the library of the scans on top of anything else they do with them.
>>541276801>I believe everything I see on social media and I'm just going to sit in my goon cave at moms and get angry at the world.Good luck with that.
>>541277232Can you name 5 books that you would like to own a physical copy of that you can't now because some nefarious corporation bought and shredded them all? Post a picture of your bookshelf with timestamp.
>>541277599It's not about the ownership, it's about not destroying the artifacts of our history. It's fine to own a replica, but not if the dissemination of that replica requires the destruction of the original.>Amazon has the scans. They can sell copies of themBut most of the time they can't, owning a copy of something doesn't give you the right to sell it, the same way you can't legally set up a TV in your drive-way and charge people to watch a DVD you bought. These AI companies are buying these books physically, not just because digital copies don't exist, but because it allows them to circumvent copyright law. They have no interest in preserving things or helping people get access to them, they just want the data to train the AI.
>>541277845Mein Kampf
>>541277989https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/832208/mein-kampf-by-adolf-hitler/Only 14.99 (so close) and you can own your very own copy of this.>>541277924You dodged all the questions. Try to name 5 books that you would like to own and cannot because "AI" bought all the physical copies and shredded them.Post pics of your book collection with timestamp.
>>541275514I bought your gf' pussy for the next day, I own it, I can do whatever I want with it. If you don't like sitting in the cuck chair, you should have gotten a job
>>541277845Why the fuck are you idiots so hung up on the idea that just because the words are preserved that it's the same as the original thing? This is such a simple concept that I feel like you people are deliberately missing the point. Please, for the love of God tell me you people are not actually this fucking stupid?Firstly, the original item is being destroyed, just because a copy of it is being "preserved" doesn't mean that something wasn't lost, a replica is NOT THE ORIGINAL.Secondly, these companies are not doing this to preserve anything, they are not harvesting this data for the sake of safe-keeping these stories and sharing them with future generations, they are doing it so that the language models are able to better imitate human speech.
>>541273856books and info on paper in general are honestly a waste of space and of trees. Scanning them preserves them forever, even if you only find a single copy. I recently shredded a bunch of old medical records my dad had to keep after he retired and there was like 1400lbs of them. Cost hundreds of dollars to shred and nearly hurt my back moving them around, being so heavy. All that shit could've fit in a single hard drive
>>541273856>AI data centers are destroy data>let's destroy more data by destroying AI data centersfuckin' barrel of crabsif you give a shit go buy and maintain books
>>541279303>I recently shredded a bunch of old medical records my dad had to keep after he retiredDid you scan any of them? Did you preserve anything?
>>541273856Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks.
>>541279102go buy booksbe the change you want to see
>>541279303your dumb ass father is not as interesting as hundreds year old literary classics. also reading on a screen fucking sucks and the Paperwhite is slow as hell.
>>541273992>>541273856all human history will be erased and then our power will go out and then we will all be slaves again. i cant wait. the elites will still have their ai vr porn tho, thats all they care about for some reeason (they're tranny kikes)
>>541274504People are fucking weird about books. There are people who legitimately will freak out about damaging/destroying a fucking Harry Potter book as if there aren't millions of them around.It's like everyone learned about lost knowledge in Alexandria but most are too low iq to understand that if you have more copies of the book it doesn't matter.
>>541279547>Harry Potterdishonest kike, we're talking about less-than-10-in-the-world rare books with no digital copies that the "techbros" (king kikes) are destroying. Literal end of history. You will all be enslaved goycattle with no knowledge of events older than 1945 except for the American Civil War (because it was "fought over negroes")
>>541273856these are such bulshit articles because most of the books they buy to do this with were being sent to be pulped anyway. they sell off huge lots and people scavenege through normally looking for any diamond in the ruff, which rarely happens. the rest get trashed and or properly sent to a pulping facility. they are doing the world a favor. and most are obscure books no one has ever heard of or is outdated material .
>>541279102Name 5 books that you can no longer get a physical copy of because of AI and post pics of your book collection with timestamp.Seems to me like you don't even own any books and just found some retarded clickbait on social media you've got yourself worked up over. >>541279659>we're talking about less-than-10-in-the-world rare books with no digital copies that the "techbros" (king kikes) are destroying.Name 5 of those books and prove this is a real thing that actually ever happened. Post pics of your book collection with timestamp and tell us what rare and unique book is next on the list for destruction so that we can cob together and pool up enough money to rescue it.
>>541279879I'm not going to name 5 books, not because I couldn't, but because you're missing the point. It doesn't matter if I can go out and buy a physical copy of Alice in Wonderland, it's that destroying a first edition copy, means that a piece of history is lost. And that's just for famous books, there are smaller books that only got one or two printings, nobody kicks up a fuss over them, and then they're lost. I loved reading the Jedi Apprentice books when I was younger, I wanted to re-read them and it has been extremely difficult to find copies because they don't print them any more, and every single copy I have managed to get have been damaged. These are fuck Star Wars books, one of the biggest franchises on the planet and they don't print these books anymore. Now consider books like Thomas the Tank Engine, they don't print copies of all the older books anymore, and good luck finding a new printing where the author describes children covered in soot as "black as niggers." It doesn't start with the big things, it starts with the little things and works it's way up. But you don't understand the point I'm making because you're a moron.
>>541279779>and most are obscure books no one has ever heard ofSo even rarer and arguably more important.
Can't wait for my kids to bring home their AI generated textbooks where half of the Founding Fathers are black or Indian. This is being done to destroy evidence of our countries being white nations, intentionally or not.
>>541273856Every site would go offline including this. Data centers were a thing before AI>inb4 "good"Yea cool thanks for showing us you are a nigger with 0 self control who needs someone to forcefully shut off the Internet to stop going on it
>>541273992>>541274007I have seen that meme image spammed by so many boomers on twitter and Facebook and not a single time do they say what the "rare books" are so assume it's complete bullshit
>>541280708Oh no not the heckin' Star Wars books!!! You're a fucking faggot complaining about muh first edition bullshit. What matters is the text.
>>541273856Pretty funny that he still sold the books though
>>541274163Sounds like you should start a publishing company.
>>541279102their just retarded shills. theres no way they are this stupid.
>>541280729theres no point in arguing with them. anyone can see how this is an issue.
>>541273856They are planning massive data center in my cunt in 2028, what do?
>>541279445power going out would mean our freedom. We'll be slaves because the power means electronic circuses and consensus manufacturing via these AIs is online. These things are the perfect ministry of truth machines, constantly changing history to fit the party's version. We have always been at war with Eurasia
>>541275514This retarded boomer mindset is what ruined this country
>>541273856its ironic that amazon started as a book selling business
>>541277924These artifacts don't last forever. A replica is all I'm ever going to own. If you're a collectorfag and want to spend tons of money so you can exclusively own some book until your house burns down or you die then go ahead. I won't stop you. >give you the right to sell itThese are ultra rare out of print books. If it's been over 70 years since the author died then copyright law doesn't apply anyway.>they have no interestThey have an interest in profit. The data is collected. They can sell it and make money so they will. If anyone even cares about these books beyond owning them simply because they are rare and exclusive and they can LARP as an antiquarian until they die and their family gives them to the pawn shop or throws them away.
>>541280708>It was real in my mind.Like your book collection I guess. For fuck's sake. You're going to sit around all day making up shit in your head based on some clickbait you saw on social media to be outraged about?
>>541279102>they are doing it so that the language models are able to better imitate human speech.and if the original text has something "controversial", as defined by their ever changing silicon valley sensibilities, which also include calling child genital mutilation healthcare btw, it will omit it or "interpret" it. When all the original copies of gone only their version survives. They are creating 1984 with all this shit, in fact it's almost complete already. Look at all the vice the proles are now allowed, gambling being the number 1 in the book as it is in reality. Along with brainrot prolefeed.
>>541273856People are upset because a company bought a product and used it, then disposed of it?If *YOU* wanted the book then *YOU* can outbid the company and own it.
>>541274691True it's just some reddit chatbot
>>541273856They are destroying the books afterwards because of copyright laws. If you scan a book to a pdf, its an illegal copy. If you destroy the physical book afterwards, you have just converted your physical copy into a digital copy which is legal.
>>541287027This!
>>541273856its weird that they have to destroy those books.. should donate them to libraries or something
Imagine how glorious it would be if they gathered every copy of the Bible and shredded them.
>>5412738561.) you did not care about books before2.) fake/decorative book ends are more popular than books themselves3.) you are in that weird generational gap where Ai is bad because reasons and your children, should you choose to have them, will accept it like its normal and everyday since they were indoctrinated younger than you were. dont believe me? there are old people still hating phones today and that shit obviously went no where4.) realization of this being just the current generation hate thing you will calm the fuck down5.) if still not convinced just remember that millionaires are more worried about their homes being devalued because of a nearby datacenter, nothing else. people are paying others to hate ai datacenters to protect their own profits
Railing against the invention of the wheel
>>541273856Publish the mailing addresses for these facilities and start sending them based material or every amateur author's awful novel.
You have to destroy a book to scan it. Why is the Pol Pot left pretending to love books now?
>>541286131why are you so upset that nazis burned tranny books then?
>>541287264>Imagine how glorious it would be if they gathered every copy of the Bible and shredded them.
fucking bot thread 10 replies before me are all botted to create fake image /pol/ is fine with this
>>541279445Imagine hoarding all the tech and knowledge and then sending everyone back to the stone age. Your family line would be a godsProbably what the wlites have in store. They decided humaity peaked and are gonna start it over again.There is nothing in space for us and there might be aliens keeping us here anyways
>>541273856>no source>reads like typical kikeslave diatribe>book dealer risked legal action from well-funded customer>amazon facility that shreds booksLet me guess, the facility shreds books but also does a million other things like selling them, digitally archiving them, etc.
>>541288400ah yes cause amazon is totally not a kikeslave company fucking retard the fact they didnt sue him proves its realif they did it would become more viral and those amazon kikes wont to shut this news down insteadthis whole thread is full of botted posts from amazon shill farms
>>541274691LLMs don’t always work the same. They can also be programmed to regurgitate different things with prompts designed to make them prioritize which information source they derive from. While the popular ones seem to prioritize reddit and other internet sources by default, some studies have shown recently that the right prompts will make them entirely reproduce entire passages and chapters of books they were trained on
>>541288631There are different types of kikeslaves kike. I don’t like amazon, I’m just pointing out that this kind of evidence and argument is working against your goals you stupid nigger. If you had a brain, you would’ve caught on to that.
>>541276355they're getting tax payer funded 0% interest loans to buy anything they want cause "muh capitalism"
