Listen to me: God is not worshipped through empty words, nor empty prayers, not through empty works nor empty rituals. Neither will your denomination or doctrine save you. God is worshipped through truth. If someone loves truth above all, they do not only love truth, but God, who is truth Himself.The one who loves the truth cannot lie to himself or to others. The one who loves cannot hate. The one who is merciful cannot seek revenge. The one who has compassion cannot judge. The one who wants justice cannot show partiality. And the one who is faithful cannot refer to what he once did, but return and remain.It is said, "Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"Do not think your works will save you. Neither will your denomination or your church save you. The only one that can save you is God alone. And God will indeed save those who love the truth and make Him the cornerstone of their lives.Do not build on sand, for the sand will pass away and everything you built on it will wither. Instead, build on the truth, so that what you have built will remain when everything false will pass away. In that day, everything false will pass away, but the truth will never pass away.To believe is to become, be, and act. You do not act to prove you believe; you act because you do believe.Turn to Him. Turn and be saved.
haven't washed or wiped by anus in 2 weeks
>>541275318Didnt read, take your meds
>>541275318ty anon
>>541275318There is no god.
>god = truthThanks for reminding them OP.Remember anons, the lies you speak to others, are believed by some small part of yourself, even if it's only the smallest part. Every mistruth you repeat, poisons your own self with falsehood.
>>541275318God hates the truth or else the world wouldn't be like this, and it's as simple as that
>>541280650God is Truth, because anything that's not Truth can't be the Principal Cause. The world is the way it is because you and I are here to learn how to love Truth. We can only learn how to love Truth by living in a world where it isn't respected as it ought to be. By growing up and learning in this corrupt state, we experience first hand how absolutely vital Truth and its virtues are. If this world were perfect in every way, you wouldn't have learned anything and you would have disdain for Truth, not fully understanding why it's important.
>>541275318>listen to me Vanity is a violation of gods commandments
>>541280498they think gods judgement is arbitrary when in fact gods judgement is not arbitrary at all, it is directly tied to what you were given and what you did and became with what you were given, his judgement is just and in that day everyone will see and understand, if you have made falsehood your home you will go exactly where your home is, when you go to a dark room and turn the lights on, the light doesnt say to the darkness "go away" instead, the darkness went away because light entered the room, so it will be in that day
>>541280746>The world is the way it is because you and I are here to learn how to love TruthI didn't need to learn that, I was born with that as a genetic trait of being white, but here we are decades later afterwards, so now what? I love the truth cool when does god stop being a sadist though?
>>541275318Hail Horus, Avenger of His Father, O Morning Star, O Evening Star, who came forth from Herui, Two Falcons, I have not been merciless...
>>541280877>it is directly tied to what you were given and what you did and became with what you were givena rigged game where my free will doesn't matter and I can never become what I want with how little i'm given is more reflective on him than it is on me.
>>541275573How fucking sloshing with shit and piss are your undies, anon?
>>541275318not dying for israel, eglin crossnigger. you lost kikes are finished
>>541275318Your meaning is created because truth is uncertain. Knowing the absolute truth would be pointless since it would make everything obsolete. This is by design, to create meaning in a meaningless world, to justify existence rather than non existence. Even if you'd know all the truth, even a glimpse of it, you'd beg to forget it, because it's antithetical to existence.
>>541280961You still need to learn it. You're complaining about the way the world is, which means you're complaining about Truth. You don't love Truth until you're grateful towards it at all times. You need to be able to see the good in all things that are True, because Truth and Good are the same principle. There are lessons in everything that we suffer, so the only way that you can complain of suffering is if you don't value those lessons more than you value getting your own way. Someone who values getting his own way doesn't love Truth, because he's unwilling to set himself and his desires aside for the sake of Truth. Look into the Stoics, if what I'm saying doesn't make sense to you. They're a good entry point towards self-abnegation.
>>541275318I'm pretty sure it's lucifer aka prometheus that champions truth and knowledge. God banished adam and eve from the garden for eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil
tl;dr, redemption is gay woke shit anywayNo god that demands the best from his closest followers while the bare minimum from the converted sinner is worth worshipping. If Heaven isn't tiered by levels of contributions then it's Hell. Even Scientology figured that one out.
>>541275318That's the kind of thread basically saying fuck off from /pol/, you are wasting your time.It's the truth.
>>541281239you could turn even right now if you wanted, but you rather say "my free will doesnt matter", because change is uncomfortable and transformation is demanding, if it is said "who much is given much more will be demanded", then what about the one who was given very little? i tell you that the blind and deaf and all kinds of disabled will enter the kingdom ahead of the wise men, they have produced fruit since the day they were born, whoever looks at one who is blind, a seed was planted in their heart, his judgement is just and in that day everyone will see it
>>541281339>You still need to learn it.No i don't>You're complaining about the way the world is, which means you're complaining about TruthNo I'm complaining about being mistreated, which I am, if you think you are being treated fairly and justly, you have Stockholm syndrome.The truth is that you can't love people who abuse you and also love yourself. You have to pick one. Either you love someone who abuses and mistreats you(hate yourself) or you love yourself(hate the person who abuses and mis-treats you) You have to be able to love yourself. That's where the truth starts.
>>541281484>you could turn even right now if you wanted, but you rather say "my free will doesnt matter"Because literally all I want is to turn and to change and transform, and I'm being unnaturally stopped. My free will is being intervened against. I'm being mis-treated. We all are being grotesquely mistreated and whoever is managing this reality is not good and is not aligned with truth.If you are really aligned with truth, you are in open rebellion against the thing that made this place.
>>541281687was it not said "I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him." the world will always hate the truth and the one who lives according to it, he said "when the world hates you, remember that it hated me first", be glad that you see and you are willing, you will have life, but those who love falsehood and this world will not
jew worshippers are super desperate lately
>>541281339You're right. The world is beautiful, warts and all, and people that hate the world are delusional by definition.The world is the world. To reject it is definitionally clinging to fantasy. Suffering is good and sacrifices are necessary. Peace is not the natural default of the world, war is. Peace is something the rising beast that is man imposes upon the world and requires constant vigilance to maintain. Prosperity is not the natural default of the world, poverty is. Prosperity is something the rising beast that is man imposes upon the world and requires constant vigilance to maintain. Happiness is not the default state of man, depression is. Happiness is something you force out of the world even as it kicks and screams to resist.The problem is that your book doesn't say that. You book tells fags like >>541280961 that the world is naturally peaceful, prosperous, and all problems can't just be problems, but must be the result of deliberate sabotage. Your own beliefs opened the door to fags like >>541280961 to bitch "waaaah, why is God a sadist?!" The answer is God SHOULD BE. He wouldn't be worth worshipping without the cruelty. People need to be put into their fucking place and learn nothing is for free. That is true love. Sacrifices are needed to maintain the world.Except the God of Abraham talks to ways out of his mouth about this, with the same cruelty we expect from a god of his time but none of the logical justifications for it. The answer is that the God of Abraham is simply too big a pussy to be real. Reality is an arena to weed out the weak in a contest of the survival of the fittest, not a failed garden, so you can reasonably dismiss any god that claims "oh, it used to be perfect." The flaws are what make it perfect. The most based elements of Christianity are shit it attributes to Satan, so I cannot take it serious.>>541280961>"Waaaah, god no real because world not perfect"Untermensch post. KYS subhuman.
>>541281609You don't love Truth, you hold it in contempt. You're still placing your own will above Truth and insisting that it's abusive when you aren't given your way unconditionally. You're like a child that thinks it knows better than the parent. The reality is that you can't love yourself until you realize that your desires are harmful to you. You mistakenly think that your well-being comes from having your will indulged, when in reality well-being only comes from abnegating self-will and abstaining from self-indulgence. You won't be happy until you learn this lesson, but when you do you'll be able to love yourself, Truth, and your neighbor all at the same time, because to love Truth means you also love all life and all creation, since everything that is is also True.
>>541281872>The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows himThat's his fault
>>541281932Ok so you're a stockholm patient and have a backwards view of what the truth is
>>541281609If you read what he said carefully the philosophy which he *actually* advocates for is that of Might is Right. The abused are hellbound for their pain, resentment and anger, while the souls of abusers are completely unblemished; if they sin against someone then the recipient is the necessarily the one that becomes sin-full.>if you loved me enough to be grateful for the pleasure I derive from your suffering, you'd suffer less. This is your fault really.That is the philosophy of The Christ, and those who walk in his footsteps.In Christ, compassion for your fellow man is impossible. So why do you try to justify yourself to demons? What to you think they are after?
>>541281973no, it is the result of the "free will" youre talking about
>>541275318I like truth. Not sure what this god thing is tho.
>>541282168tell me, in your world, what is it that grounds the truth you like? what makes it more than a preference?
>>541281909The Bible does say that, but what you're calling cruelty they call love. A loving father disciplines his children so that they can grow up strong and wise. Only an uncaring father indulges them endlessly. When a man suffers the blows of fate, that's called God's medicine, and he's referred to as the physician of souls. Christianity encourages its followers to learn how to love the feeling of growth more than they hate the feeling of being inconvenienced. Anyone who can reach that state has the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, because from that point onward it's impossible to be hopeless or depressed.
>>541275318>empty worksFaith without works is deadWorks are true.
>>541281998Consider rationally whether or not a man who loves Truth could ever be unhappy. How can a man be unhappy when he's surrounded by what he loves? You can only be unhappy insofar as you don't love Truth.
>>541282330because you are not surrounded by truth in this world
>>541282330you can love truth as much as you want but it doesnt turn the lies people tell in this world true
>>541282500Yes, you are. Truth is "what is". It's the same principle as existence. You can only be surrounded by what exists, never by what doesn't exist. Even if you are surrounded by liars, it's true that you are surrounded by liars, and thus you're surrounded by Truth. A man who loves Truth would be happy to be surrounded by liars, because he sees the lessons and opportunities contained within his circumstances. Only a man who hates Truth would bemoan his situation and blame Truth for not bending to his will.
>>541280961cont from >>541281909Listen here you fucking whiny cuck. A supposedly perfect world would be a behavioral sink nightmare. It would be a woman's idea of what a utopia would be. John Calhoun literally made that several times for mice in the 70s and those mice all fucking killed each other. We need struggle and strive because, without it, you go insane.I don't get it. Why do you think pain doesn't need to exist? Who gave you that impression? What possible natural, secular, godless foundation for that idea possibly put that into your head? More importantly, how long was his nose?That is the final redpill. You are a christcuck and just don't know it. You are more Christian than the Christians you argue with. There sure as shit is no secular argument for human equality, natural rights, or the Quaker invention that is feminism. All that shit came from Christians. You and the Christians you argue with are both arguing for the same illogical pseudo-scientific shit; you just want it all slightly faster than they do.Without problems there is no drive to solve them, without the drive to solve problems, existence becomes meaningless. Better that children die of cancer. Better that people starve, die in war, or be raped. Life is a crucible. The REAL god, if such a will exists, doesn't want you to know he loves you. He slaps you and tells you to stop being a pussy. Any logical, truly all knowing god would. By defying the logical order of how the universe logically functions "waaaah god's a sadist waaah" you just out yourself as mentally ill. No, I reject Christianity because its god is a pussy. You reject it because you're a pussy. We are not the same.
>>541282690because you misunderstand what the truth actually is, it is not something inside the world but what grounds the world, god
>>541282690if there was no god, there would not be truth, there would also not be value, meaning or purpose, nor right or wrong, none of these things would exist if there was no god, because they are evaluations, and evaluations are done by a mind, and if there is no mind beyond us then there is no objective evaluator, and thus all of these things cease to be
>>541282750I understand it perfectly. You're badly mistaken here. Truth being the grounds for existence makes it existence itself. There is no such thing as Truth separate from existence. They are the same principle. With this being so, that means there's no circumstance or situation that's outside of Truth. Human beings lie, but it's true that they have the freedom to lie. It's also true that they've told a lie when they do so. It's also true that you have the ability to correct them and teach by example. Anyone who truly loves Truth will see the whole picture and his role within it, not just the singular lie. He'll be grateful for the way things are, because he knows that Truth and Good are the same principle. It's good that some people lie, because that teaches us the value of Truth. It's good that people are able to lie, because that turns honesty into a virtue and not a compulsion, since whatever is compelled is not virtuous. You can't have a coherent view on Truth and God if you think that Truth is something separate from existence that we only interact with vaguely and mentally. Truth is everything that exists without exception, and all things that exist do so from God.
>>541283169do you think that the world is the perfect manifestation of its creator? if you say "no" then, the world is not according to the truth, and if you say "yes" then you have to explain to me how can a liar be a perfect manifestation of god
>>541283361this shows you that the ground and creation are not identical and thus truth is the ground, not the creation
>>541280650>>541280961Truth is found in his Word, not in the world. the world loves and goes after lies.
>>541283361Yes, it's perfect in regards to its end. The purpose of this world is education, and for that sake it is absolutely perfect. It's good that we experience pain, suffering, dishonesty, cruelty and misfortune, because all of these things teach us how better to love God. Sinners unwittingly serve God in this world by serving as the means by which He offers us lessons and shows us the folly of sin, but sinners themselves are not perfect nor are they able to enter Heaven while they remain sinners. This world is the perfect manifestation of God's love for the ignorant, and God's love for us is the reason why he wants to teach us these lessons, so that we can learn them and enter Heaven. Heaven is the perfect manifestation of God's love for the wise, but we aren't there yet and we should not expect this world for the ignorant to resemble Heaven.
>>541281239>>541281687>>541281973stop being a rebel and repent of your ways.incline your ear and humble yourself.
>>541275318God lets jews fuck and eat children, so...either he's a jew or not real.
>>541283819i never asked that though, i asked if its the perfect manifestation of the ground, god itself, not if its perfect for education
>>541284091It's the perfect manifestation of the ground in relation to us and our capacity to receive it. The ground of existence is Love as well as Truth, and a Love which didn't match and correspond to its recipients would be no Love at all. Any imperfection that you perceive in this world is not God's imperfection nor a flaw in the ground, but our imperfection and a flaw in us. We receive his Love in a diminished state because we ourselves are diminished.Or to use an analogy, a sunbeam coming in through a window is still a perfect manifestation of the sun's light, even though only a small portion of it is allowed to enter. If you were to open more windows, you would get more sunlight. If you were to step outside, you would be in the sun in full. Heaven is being in the sun in full, but we aren't ready for that yet. Currently we reside in a home where very little sun is allowed in, due to us blocking the windows out. Our choice to block out the sun does not make the sun imperfect nor does it alter the nature of the sun's light. It only impacts the degree to which we are exposed.
>>541284611i dont understand why you are making all these arguments for no reason when jesus himself says "Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone." the creation is not identical to its creator, that is the whole point of jesus, jesus came into the world as the perfect manifestation of the ground because the world doesnt live according to the ground, he came to reveal the ground so that by being formed into the likeness of the ground you will have life in the ground, god himself who is life and truth
>>541284838Jesus is referring to the exact thing that I'm talking about. No one is good except for God alone, which also means that nothing exists except from God alone. Therefore, everything that exists comes from God. Therefore, God is existence itself. Therefore, everything that exists is a manifestation of God's will. Therefore, nothing exists separately from God and we are at all times surrounded by God. The creation isn't the creator, but the creation is the influx of the creator. Nothing that was created exists without the creator's permission.At this point I'm not sure where you're confused or where you disagree, because it feels as though you're being adversarial for absolutely no reason and with no clear concept of what you disagree with me on or why. If you were approaching this discussion in good faith you would be looking for ways in which we agree, not for ways in which we disagree. If you agree that God is Truth, and that existence itself is the influx of God, then you must also agree that as we live and breathe in this world we are surrounded by the God and his will. Omnipotence implies omnipresence.
>>541275318I dont owe the truth to any man Men are fallible and corrupt
>>541280650> blames God because humans are dumb cocksuckers
>>541280858Which commandment?
>>541281239> what I wantUnless what you want is congruent with what God wants , youre fucked
>>541285355no we dont agree at all, evil has no existence of its own, evil is departure from good, and this already proves that the true fight is between reality and unreality, when you partake in evil you are not partaking in truth, you are partaking in falsehood and falsehood has no existence of its own, satan doesnt create, he distorts and destroys, he is a parasite
>>541281239>more reflective on him than it is on meWay to take responsibility faggot
>>541281332IncorrectTruth is true existence There is no existence without truth
>>541281339Based knower
>The obstacle of not having resolute faith in those possessed of great awesome virtue;>The obstacle of delighting in dwelling with those who have abandoned right views;>The obstacle of being reborn into households of those adhering to non-Buddhist paths;>The obstacle of abiding in realms of objective experience influenced by māras;>The obstacle of being separated from the Buddha’s right teachings;>The obstacle of never encountering a good spiritual guide;>The obstacle of encountering restraining difficulties in developing roots of goodness;>The obstacle of increasing unwholesome dharmas;>The obstacle of coming upon inferior circumstances;>The obstacle of birth into outlying lands;>The obstacle of birth into the household of evil people;>The obstacle of being born among evil spirits;>The obstacle of being born among evil dragons, evil yakṣas, evil gandharvas, evil asuras, evil garuḍas, evil kiṃnaras, evil mahoragas, or evil rākṣasas;>The obstacle of not delighting in the Buddha’s Dharma;>The obstacle of habitually immature behavior...>Sons of the Buddha, if a bodhisattva raises even a single thought of hatred for another bodhisattva, he then produces a million obstacles such as these. And why? Sons of the Buddha, I do not see any single dharma constituting such an immense transgression as that created by any bodhisattva who produces thoughts of hatred toward other bodhisattvas.
>>541281609>I'm complaining about being mistreatedWhen a sick animal is given medicine it complains and fights not knowing what is good for it. "Beasts are driven to pasture"Heraclitus
>>541281687My poor sweet summer child
I'm so sick of you jew worshipers. Fuck off.The earth is not a dome like your bible claims. Your flying rabbi is fake. Stop being stupid golems.
>>541281909Your spiritual comprehension is child level Read faggot
>>541281239You place yourself above God and sit in judgment of Him.He does not live up to the image you have created for your own ideal god.You are an idolater, and a lazy one. You don’t even bother to carve up a block of wood, you simply create a fantasy and try to immerse yourself in it.You complain about all things God does and many things He doesn’t do. It’s almost like you were created to hate Him. Like you are the bad example set forward as a warning to the simple. You kvetch and reee, but you refuse to admit any wrongdoing on your part.God himself says that the damned reject him and will never surrender their pride and change.You prove that.You want nothing to do with God or His heaven.He simply agrees with you and you get mad about it.He made a place for those who hate Him. He will leave you alone, forever. He is light, so it is dark, forever. He is love and comfort, so there is none to be found there, forever.Is God wrong about you?Then simply change your mind. Accept Jesus as your savior. Trust that He died for your sins on the cross, was buried, and rose again, exactly as it had been prophesied.Or...don’t.Either way, accept responsibility for your eternity.You won’t have it any other way.
Amen
>>541286305>You place yourself above God and sit in judgment of Him.Then spoke the majesty of the Watery Abyss: My son Re, god greater than he who created thee, older than he who made thee, be seated on thy throne! Great is the fear before thee when thy Eye comes out against those who scheme against thee!
>>541281609Incorrect. It is perfectly ville to love yourself and simply not allow otherd to abuse you without hating them. Its just called boundaries, compassuon and having a high enough wisdom-stat to ubderstad that moster people who abuse and Hurt are just stupid in the fucking head and are in pain themselves. You are however under no obligation to keep hanging out with them. Or let them into tour energi-field.Again heaöthy boundaries and a eisdom-stat high enough for tou to realize that carry hate in your heart is merely going to damage yourself more than anyone else and therefore compassion and understanding will serve tourself better than hate (but ypu still dont let the assholes be around you anyore or lettisk them into your energyfield)
>>541282694Pretty good post anon
>>541285739>evil has no existence of its own, evil is departure from goodThat's exactly what I'm saying. At which point did I even imply that evil was anything other than a privation?>when you partake in evil you are not partaking in truthThat also isn't what I said. I said that liars exist by virtue of truth. Or in other words, it's God's will that we have free will. Liars are part of Truth in the sense that they exist. Lying takes them away from good and truth and submerges them in evil and falsity, but they themselves still exist because they themselves are the product of God's love. That's why you must love your neighbor and hate the sin, not the sinner. A man who loves Truth who is surrounded by liars will still love those liars, because it's God's commandment that he should.Please try to actually understand what I'm saying instead of projecting your assumptions onto me, anon. I know English isn't your first language, but this has less to do with English and more to do with your ability to engage with a brother in good faith.
>>541286305>You place yourself above GodCan you forgive without a goat or human sacrifice?Yes? Why are you spiritually superior to your biblical god then?
>>541287020you said "Truth is everything that exists without exception" which you have obviously now changed multiple times since then, i know what youre doing and you know it too so lets just leave it here, we shouldnt even argue because we both seem to be walking the right path, to me only thing was problematic was that it seemed as though you were making a claim where the creator and creation are identical when that is not at all what jesus taught, but yeah if this is what you meant then i guess we arent that far apart, much love friend, iron sharpens iron
>>541287345>you said "Truth is everything that exists without exception"Yes, but at no point did I say that evil exists. Evil is non-existence, or the privation of existence, which clearly is something you already understand. Liars themselves exist because God still loves them despite their lies. If God ceased to love them, they would cease to exist immediately. The lie is the thing that does not exist, and since God does not love lies those lies will never be manifested or made into truths.My aim was never to make it seem as if God and his creations are identical, it was to make it clear that creation only exists as an influx of the creator. Which ultimately is to say that there is no such thing as a bad situation or a bad circumstance, that all things can be turned towards good purpose as long as we maintain our love for God. A man surrounded by liars is in an opportunity to exercise love, compassion, patience, forbearance, honesty and integrity. He's being given opportunities to deepen his love for Truth, so we should never blame or accuse God for the fact that this world is filled with many dishonest and evil men. It's vital that we meet every adversity with optimism and gratitude, because adversities themselves are expressions of God's love for us and his desire to see us grow wise and love good.Hopefully that clears everything up.
