>>541290704because they fall in the middle category
>>541290899Yes, because worshiping a dead Jew is the epitome of high IQ thought.
>>541290704They have shit taste in hats and retarded takes on the source of order in the universe
>>541290704literal worshippers of anti christ ism
>>541290704Atheists also generally know the Bible better than Christians
>christians think pic related is the meaning of human lifelole lmao
>>541290704we're all God so we're all inherently religious
Atheism is the religion and it's about blindly following #experts instead of God, leftist in nature, its about worshipping masters here on Earth.>b-but right wingers are athiests too!It's not that clear cut, its about you being primed to submit to the masses in the long run as long as the masses are being lead by #experts who have the authority to bless new ideas with scientific backing. Things like faggotry for instance go against the natural law (God's law), but science man can make the case for some dog humping another dog one time and atheists' will eventually think: "Well, i guess there is somewhat of a scientific case to be made for it...". It wears you down by pretending to be holier than though in a godless way. The Right vs Left paradigm has been worked into Progressive vs Trad, it doesn't matter what side you are on as long as you are in the groupthink model and can't decide on anything for yourself without clearing it with some #expert first. You will eventually be todays progressive tomorrow. What they say about Christianity is a projection of themselves. #Experts tell you that you are just a dumb monkey who needs their guidance, or a smart monkey who agrees with public opinion, or a bad monkey who isn't following science. They are the authority, not you, not God. Christianity stands on reason, virtue, that which is good, true, and beautiful, and forgives you if you act like a monkey instead of a participant in the divine knowing that man is fallible. Atheism uses a counterfeit reason based on submitting to the collective will, it employs counterfeit virtues to subdue you into thinking good can be evil, truth can be subjective, ugly can be beautiful, and it cancels you for too much wrongthink. Christians were willing to die for their beliefs standing against the will of their Earthly masters, atheists go willingly into submission as long as they can convince themselves that the #experts are right.
>>541290704Fanatical atheism is a religion of personal hubris.Hubris never wins.
It’s because “higher IQ” tracks up to midwit. People of average to just slightly above average intelligence can comprehend the prevailing institutional dogmas and less intelligent people can’t. It doesn’t mean atheists are even a single distribution to the right of median IQ. It actually means they’re all pseuds.
>>541291127>I'm smarter than you because I am unable to differentiate between my retarded shilling and reality
>>541291127> you’re so low IQ that I have to resort to a strawmanYou people are jokes
>>541295451>People of average to just slightly above average intelligence can comprehend the prevailing institutional dogmas and less intelligent people can’t.Current prevailing institutional dogmas>900 genders>men can get pregnant>take 40 vax shots for a non-lethal fluAtheists believe all this dogma
>>541291803Ma'am the religious have no future
they've been reposting this screencap for literally years
>>541290704The thing is people think they're smart. Silly humans, with human brains, actually think they have some kind of grip on reality. It is the most outrageous, narcissistic thing to believe about yourself. You are meat and electrons. Light has to travel from an object to your retina. Photoreceptors have to react. Electrochemical signals have to propagate through your optic nerve. Multiple regions of your brain have to process edges, color, motion, depth, recognize objects, integrate that with sound and touch, and somehow produce the unified thing you call “now.” And you think you've got a handle on this thing we call reality? Whoever you are, atheist or religious -- you don't have any handle on anything. A few people are humble enough to admit this. But most people will be angered by this post.
>>541290704Christianity was the status quo in the 90's and Christians then were basically the wokes of today. They had more institutional power and would shove it down people's throats. A lot of them were dumb af, as NPCs usually are. In the 90's / 2000's, being an atheist was like being anti-woke in the late 2010's.Times changed, millennials were less religious. Then the left with all the woke shit became the new authoritarian NPC. When the wokes chased a lot of the more classical liberal types out of the left, many of them for the first times started to hear out more conservative views. Also, as you grow up, you start viewing religion as more nuanced and personal.Today, atheism has such a stain on it that it really means woke NPC, and it's a different crowd from 20 years ago. Mature adults who aren't religious just consider themselves agnostic.
>>541296018>They had more institutional power and would shove it down people's throats.Please give examples of this. Of course you can't because you weren't there.>In the 90's / 2000's, being an atheist was like being anti-woke in the late 2010's.Atheists were always cringe, it just took the internet to expose them to their true nature. Same with blacks and security cameras.
>>541296120I'm 38 years old... yes, I was there.People didn't believe in evolution, which is a prerequisite to understanding basic genetics. The "howcome there are still apes?" argument was extremely common. MTG and Pokemon cards were often branded as satanic. Hispanic Christians were very extreme. Things like hearing about Starcraft would freak them out because it had the word "craft" in it.
>>541296120Also, blacks did not require security cameras to be exposed. Are you retarded?Boomers were collectively terrified of cities because of blacks. Mixed race couples were abnormal until like the late 2000's.
>>541296305>People didn't believe in evolution,How is this equivalent to institutional power that is shoved down throats? Intelligent Design was never taught in schools, but right now 900 genders is being taught in schools.
>>541290704Very slightly less retarded than theists that faithfully believe in made up human theist cults as absolutes. Agnostics and theists that admit they don't know the full nature of god are infinitely above the "durr all it came from nothing" / "muh book god write say so" NPCs
>>541296373>Also, blacks did not require security cameras to be exposed. Are you retarded?You're retarded. Many "knew" atheists were cringe, the internet just exposed it for everyone. Same with blacks and security camera. Odds are most never saw a flashmob in real life, but then the security footage rolled in.
>>541296375Because it was often your teachers pushing the religious shit. > Intelligent Design was never taught in schools, but right now 900 genders is being taught in schools.What does this have to do with anything I've said or anything you've asked about?Are you sure you're not the one who wasn't around more than 12 years ago?
>>541296445100%
>>541296558>Because it was often your teachers pushing the religious shit.??????????Where and when did this happen? Be specific. Again, Intelligent Design was never taught in schools.>What does this have to do with anything I've said or anything you've asked about?You said "people not believing in evolution led to them using their institutional power to shove it down throats", but the one real attempt to teach an alternative to evolution (Intelligent Design) was never implemented ONCE.>Are you sure you're not the one who wasn't around more than 12 years ago?>You: "IN THE 90S NO ONE BELIEVED IN EVOLUTION AND SCHOOLS TAUGHT THIS!"I'm still waiting for examples.
As it was in back in 19th century? Good. Naturalist Atheist were sexists, homophobic, eugenicists. As it is now? Of course not. Neo-atheism is just Christianity with mystical bullshit, but it still contains what makes Christianity poisonous like praising equality and mercy.
I prefer not to be tagged. Atheism leads to a lot of connotations aside from the strict definition of the word, pretty much like calling someone "right wing" or "socialist" for example. It ends up meaning different things to different people.In my case, I dont believe in any entity to be said to exist without actual proof. Be so-called God or whatever.Religions dont have a basis on reason, logic or empirical evidence. Its all make believe. Thats why I dont follow any of them.In my opinion, religions are a negative force to society and a tool for the powerful to justify henious acts.
>>541291803Based orthodox poster. Christ is Risen!
>>541297028>In my case, I dont believe in any entity to be said to exist without actual proof.Atheists believe in 900 genders and men getting pregnant with zero proof.>Religions dont have a basis on reason, logic or empirical evidenceSee above.>In my opinion, religions are a negative force to society and a tool for the powerful to justify henious acts.20 years ago Dawkins wanted Christianity eradicated, now he calls himself a "Cultural Christian" wants to go back to the old ways.
>>541297121>Atheists believe in 900 genders and men getting pregnant with zero proof.It's not atheism. It's progressive atheism. 19th century atheist called homosexuality mental illness.
>>541297252>It's not atheism. It's progressive atheism.Most atheits are progressive atheists. Data confirms this.>19th century atheist called homosexuality mental illness."Dude it was soo different 200 years ago!" We are in the present day.
>>541291127You literally think that humans came from monkeys but you act so smug and above everyone else
OP is very religious, atheism is his religion and posting this thread every single day his his religious ritual
>>541291127You mean God Incarnate who came in the flesh, and resurrected from the grave?
>>541297121>Atheists believe in 900 genders and men getting pregnant with zero proof.I dont believe in something that has no proof to it, regardless of who is saying it.>See above.Religions are still based on nonsense. Based on the fact that there is absolutely zero proof for what they claim is real.>Dawkins.No idea what he has to do with what I think.
>>541297627>I dont believe in something that has no proof to it, regardless of who is saying it.Atheists do. They support trans shit more than any other group.>Religions are still based on nonsense. Based on the fact that there is absolutely zero proof for what they claim is real.Athesits accept some baseless nonsense but not others? Got it. Very logical.>No idea what he has to do with what I think.This thread isn't about YOU retard, it's about atheists.>r3ddit spacingDisgusting.
>>541297376You really need to be more precise. Humans are monkeys by definition. So the statement is technically true even if evolution was false. Because obviously a human came from a human, and humans are monkeys. The correct way to describe it is to talk about common ancestors between humans and the other great apes.
>>541297710>Atheists do.Well, I dont. You made your argument in response to my comment.>Athesits accept some baseless nonsense.If "the atheists" do that, then they are wrong.>This thread isn't about YOU retard, it's about atheists.Again, you responded to my comment. I dont see how Dawkins has anything to do with what I said.
>>541290704Nigger faggots tongue my anus. Hope this helps
>>541297769>Humans are monkeysThen why are there still non-human monkeys?
>>541297840>Well, I dont. You made your argument in response to my comment.And your comment is in this atheist thread about atheists being smarter than everyone else. Retard.>If "the atheists" do that, then they are wrong.Try telling them that then. Instead all your posts in this atheism = smarter thread was "religion bad".>Again, you responded to my comment.You have r3ddit brain.
>>541297921Do I believe someone that doesnt believe religious nonsense to me smarter than someone who does? Yes, I do. Believing things are face value makes you an idiot. Plain and simple.
>>541291945Only atheists can be based all others are just cattle
>>541290704>tfw to inteligent too believe in a magic floating sky manReligious people are fools!
>>541298108>Do I believe someone that doesnt believe religious nonsense to me smarter than someone who does? Yes, I do.So to you>guy that doesn't believe in religion (which is baseless and nonsense) but believes in 900 genders (also baseless and nonsense) is smarter than something that believes in religionGot it. Atheists no longer operate in reality.>Believing things are face value makes you an idiot.Atheists are rejecting scientific reality that they can see with their own eyes.
>>541291127But atheists worship a dead Jew also. Marx. At least Christ didn't die bound to a wheelchair shitting himself.
athiesm is the step before agnosticism. when you're an angsty teen and you're sure you know it all. plenty of people never grow out of that phase. these people would be midwits, and seem smart only to other midwits and retards. they make up at least 50% of the population. the true high-IQ either lay low and never get recognition, or become a rare gigarich techie.
>>541298136>Asked to be red pilled on atheism>Already had an opinion on itYou are just here to start shit.
>>541290704raped slaves
>>541298294I am an atheist, and I don't worship Marx. Atheism is lack of belief in gods. It does not imply any other belief.
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>>541290704I believe there is a god who enjoys seeing us suffer and who bestows extraordinary gifts upon the ungrateful. Thus, nature rules this world.
>>541298616bottom pic is religion, just a new kind, religious mentality is the underlying problem that allows these runaway retarded beliefs to take over society due to herd mechanism at the psychological levelone can readily admit that indeed a lot of self-declared atheists belong to a camp that has a very big blind spot for religiousness but they don't see it because they are fixated on specific religions
>>541298956>bottom pic is religionWhat a cope.
>>541299006it's what it is, call it what you want, the underlying mechanism is the same as old religions, instead of thinking a piece of bread turns into the flesh of a 1st century jewish rabble rouser the post christian humus already has its new miracles, dogmas, priests, pseudo-metaphysical beliefs based, etc... ultimately all based on good old on peer-pressure, moral terror, guilt-based manipulation, all of itmy post if anything was a jab at superficial so called atheists like that banana in ass dude
>>541298616This whole pregnant man thing is mostly an disagreement over definitions. The problem is a lot of the words we take for granted are not actually formally defined, and bad things happen when you start poking holes in our shaking definitions. Eventually people start going insane, because language is the foundation of rational thought. And once language falls apart, the mind falls apart.
>>541299314>it's what it is, call it what you want, the underlying mechanism is the same as old religionsSo atheism has fallen so far that they are like religion now? Got it. Of course atheists still claim to be the logical ones in the room.
>>541299408>This whole pregnant man thing is mostly an disagreement over definitions.HOLY COPE.Imagine of a Christian said>"This whole evolution thing is mostly a disagreement over definitions".
>>541299481Your IQ is incredibly low. You apparently don't understand the difference between a physical thing, and a definition.
>>541299449we are almost in agreement insofar as, as I added in my first post, a lot of self-declared atheists are indeed hypocritical and fall for the same kind of traps as the people they criticize because ultimately they aren't truly ready to bring that criticism to their own social plateau as they should, they pile on mainstream abrahamic religions because it's easy and socially accepted, but because they are cowards, they close an eye when similar phenomena driven by the same mentality they criticize start to pop up but it's a taboo to criticize thembut unlike a lot of people on /pol/ this doesn't make me suddenly think abrahamic religions are le based and le redpilled out of contrarianism to the pitfalls of nu-atheist charlatans
>>541290704> t. athiest
>>541299645>Your IQ is incredibly low.Says the one trying to weasel out of atheists supporting men getting pregnant.
>>541299408Leftists deliberately tried to redefine the words. They had perfectly concrete definitions before.
>>541299748Most churches support it just like most atheists do. This is a non-argument. The Pope himself recognizes trannies, bud.
>>541290704>Red pill me on atheismit just makes logical sense to not believe things without evidence. Also, you cant trust any creation myth, its a creation myth for a reason, and people have been making them up since time began. Mass religion is a way for the elite to control people, that's it.
>>541299816>Most churches support it just like most atheists do.That's why Christians voted Trump, the most anti-troon candidate and atheists voted Kamala, the most pro-troon candidate.
>>541298253If someone believe 900 genders to be an actual, true thing rooted in reality and not in someones imagination, hes as religious as the next guy. Whether he considers himself religious or not.Do you understand that some idiot being in opposition to your nonsense belief doesnt make it right?If someone says something that is right, hes right, no matter if hes an idiot or not. Same is true for the opposite. Who says something is irrelevant. Your entire argument is "oh well, people on the opposite side are idiots, so I must be right".
>>541299819>Mass religion is a way for the elite to control people, that's it.Elite controls schemes of the last 15 years:>900 genders>men can get pregnant>take 40 vax shots for a non-lethal fluAtheists are the ones believing in all of these things.
>>541299886>If someone believe 900 genders to be an actual, true thing rooted in reality and not in someones imagination, hes as religious as the next guy. Whether he considers himself religious or not.You are describing an overwhelming majority of atheists.
>>541299862I'm an atheist and I voted Trump 3 times.
>>541299816ThisIts a white people thing, not an atheist thing.
>>541299900>give us total control so we can make an AI police state and take your rights away because uhh the freedom side thinks women can get pregnant ok.You were made to fall for it.
>>541299946>I'm an atheist and I voted Trump 3 times.You are very much in the minority. Kamala got 70+% of the atheist vote.
>>541300008>>give us total control so we can make an AI police state and take your rights away because uhh the freedom side thinks women can get pregnant ok.>You were made to fall for it.You have no concept of history junior. Let me explain>W. Bush does shitty Patriot Act>liberals hate it and cry "surveillance state" and "big brother">Obama runs on ending Patriot Act>instead Obama expands Patriot Act>suddenly liberals are fine with Patriot ActThe next Dem President will embrace AI and Flock cameras and the sheep libs will fall in line again.
>>541299900These are not atheist exclusive beliefs. Many Christians believe basically the same things. And in some cases they find ways to warp their religion to support various beliefs. Almost all normies regardless of which religion they claim to believe in worship first and foremost the modern western mythology. This unnamed religion is near universal among white people.
>>541300104>These are not atheist exclusive beliefs.But atheists are the #1 groups supporting all of these tings. Christians voted Trump and rejected the vaccine more than any other group.
>>541299481>Imagine of a Christian said>>"This whole evolution thing is mostly a disagreement over definitions".like this: it happened in pre history whereas history starts when the Bible says
>>541300136>rants about AI>posts AI pic with AI contextSAD and not operating in reality.
>>541290704gay guys do it right before they engage in homosex
>>541300149>like this: it happened in pre history whereas history starts when the Bible saysNo one says this.
>>541299925They are right to believe something that has been claimed to but not proven to exist doesnt. A person or group doesnt have to be right about everything to be right about something.
>>541300096>instead Obama expands Patriot Actlibs wanted 419(k) and housing valuations, cheap chalupas, and dei, in addition to infanticide. obama gave libs everything they actually cared about
U guise! I am 12 and doing a school project. Does anyone know if god exists yet?
>>541300237>They are right to believe something that has been claimed to but not proven to exist doesnt. A person or group doesnt have to be right about everything to be right about something.Atheists are screaming that religious people are illogical and anti-science while believing in the most illogical and anti-science nonsense of the last century.
>>541300281>libs wanted 419(k) and housing valuations, cheap chalupas, and dei, in addition to infanticide. obama gave libs everything they actually cared aboutThey also wanted the Patriot Act gone. But in over 10 years libtards want more government enforcement of our lives.
>>541300281we wanted hope and change and we didnt get it
>>541300198yeah the fact is most so-called Christians are stupid and blasphemers. no one reads the Bible and those who do dont take the Bible seriously
>>541300454>more AI picsZoomers have ruined 4chan.
>>541300492you think there aren't 900 genders, yet you believe in god.
>>541300360boomers and xirs wanted feminist laws to liberate young women from wifedom so they could suck ducks for cash
>>541300549>you think there aren't 900 gendersThis is your brain on atheism.>LE RLM GUY PICSAD
>>541300594>thinking anyone is going to read all that AI garbageZoomers have no concept of reality.
Yo're a targeted inviduial
>>541300630neither do boomers or niggersonly we do
>>541290704Atheists are predominantly white, while most religions are not. Therefore they have higher iqs. The outcome being observed by this article has nothing to do with iq, and is in fact a racial disparity. I bet some leftist wrote it to flex on stupid conservatives too.
>>541291127yes, high IQ are still retarded ape, but at least they are not going to try to jump on you in demencia like the -70 IQ
>>541300952>Atheists are predominantly white, while most religions are not. Therefore they have higher iqs.Worldwide most atheists are asian bugmen>Atheists are predominantly whiteSo are DSA members.
>>541290704its retarded
you religion tards are arguing over shades of shit. All religion is a control structure for midwits. If you spend ANY time arguing over it, you are midwit. If you spend any time wondering about atheism, you are a midwit. A thinking Man goes about his life knowing that some things are unknowable and is unbothered by this fact. He is also unmolested by memes rooted in the arguments that are far beneath him. Nigger.
>>541290704If you’re so retarded that you’re still religious in the current era, despite all the evidence pointing toward it all being retarded bullshit, you’re a lost cause.If you lived in the Middle Ages it would be understandable but not now.
>>541301499Historically, tyrants hated religion and did everything in their power to suppress it because religion by nature makes a man uncontrollable. It's why Socrates was forced to drink the hemlock, and why Christ was crucified. Men who look beyond the worldly can't be controlled by worldly threats or bribes. The idea that religion was invented to control people is extremely ahistorical.
>>541291127Keep projecting your dead gods
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>>541291127How could you possibly know for sure if there is no god? Your existence is the result of a series of complex anomalies that you cannot explain with your limited knowledge of this universe. Our understanding of physical things and the abstract components that stem from it are constructed primarily through hypothesis and debate. The concept of believing in a god is a psychological response to the realization that we statistically weren't supposed to be here and that life itself is fleeting along with everything we experience in life. Religion is a psychological tool that is there to keep people alive and hopeful for a better future. That's what we call 'faith'. Faith is blind as it's a product of the irrational human mind. Faith can be described as a form of positive self delusion which is another psychological defense mechanism that motivates people to seek higher things in a finite world. Without this concept of faith, you have nothing and you also have no reason to live (fun fact: this is why atheists commit suicide at higher rates than believers of any religion). So no, god may not be a shining literal deity, but god is every chain of events, every behavior observed in every atom, electron and molecule, and every measurement of space/time in existence that allowed you to make this asinine post.
>>541301499>. All religion is a control structure for midwitsSee >>541299900
>>541291127>immediately resorted to emotional-based insultsyou're not above 100 iq.
I'm an atheist but I haven't told my parents because I don't want to be kicked out for being a genius
>>541290704Denial of God's Truth. Promotion of degeneracy and having the audacity to call it "science", and "progress". Responsible for the mass murder of over 150 million people in the span of a century, and despair for the rest of nations with state sponsored atheism.
>>541301656Midwit histrionics. You simply lack the cognizance to grasp why you're arguing over shades of shit.
>>541302097why are chud parents so psychopathic
>>541291127Yes, also He is not dead.
>>541302217I don't think you understand what any of the words you use mean. All I did was explain basic history to you. This is something you can look up and confirm yourself. There are mountains of quotes from men in power who hated religion because it made men principled, and principled men cannot be bought.
>>541302251>why are chud parents so psychopathicLibtard parents are letting their kids take HRT because their sons "feel" like they are a girl at 7 years old
>>541302294You are arguing on the level of a barking dog. You simply lack the perspective to understand that you have been given the concepts you use to argue by men who built the concepts to control you.
>>541302462There's no argument because you don't have one. I stated a fact and you're responding by having a temper tantrum. For there to be an argument, you would have to have a conclusion supported by a series of premises. What you're doing is just slinging personal insults in response to being told a basic well known fact about human history.
>>541302527I dunno why I bother with you niggers. I was just bored eating my steak and having my second bottle of wine. Listen: You are using canned concepts forced upon you by your superiors to justify other canned concepts that exist FAR below the realm of truth. You exist in an ouroboros and until you see it, you are farting in your own mouth for eternity. Good luck, nigger.
>>541302269>Brazilian theist>quotes conmanEvery case
>>541302788I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then and assume you're drunk, and not just that you're incredibly stupid and incapable of having a conversation like an adult.
>>541302788>lose argument>"DUDE I WAS BORED AND EATING LE STEAK AND DRINKING MANY BOTTLES OF WINE!"SAD
>>541301656Religion is still a great tool for oppression, though. Tying your power to an unaccountable, incomprehensible, yet always correct entity is how you can justify any atrocity you want. 'The genocide we're committing is a part of a cosmic plan so grand we can't even begin to understand the good it would bring,' and such. That some tyrants hated it proves they were terrible at using the tool, not that the tool is terrible for its intended purpose.
>>541301042>east asians and whiteYeah you're just further proving it's a racial thing, not related to religion. Are you brown or just stupid?
>>541303059Religion can be and has been subverted in that way, but control was never religion's purpose. Religion began as philosophy, specifically ontology. Religion in its true form is nothing other than reverence for the truth and adherence to good as a principle, meaning somebody who's genuinely religious from the position of wisdom and understanding is incapable of being tricked, led by dogma or coerced by social norms. People who engage in blind faith can be tricked, but those people are not sincerely religious because they don't even understand what it is they claim to believe. Faith has to be built on knowledge, otherwise it isn't faith, it's mere obedience.
>>541290704Bot spam thread
>>541301834funny how left doesn't happen in atheist europe or atheist japan or atheist china
>>541301834Amen sister
>>541301042I'm more conservative than liberal
>>541301907There is an infinite number of things that could potentially exist. Are you expected to give serious consideration to any random shit someone pulls out of their ass. If I were to consider god, I would also have to consider the ramblings of every schizo.
>>541300608You just use your personal feelings towards your favorite flavor of god while they use it towards their favorite flavor of gender
>>541297556you think a dead jew is god cos other dead jews told you, get a grip man
>>541298294>At least Christ didn't die bound to a wheelchair shitting himselfyeah he died bound to a stick shitting himself...
>>541290704Atheism is the Religion of Midwits
>>541304209>a complete non answerThanks for playing retard
>>541303323That's a rather romanticized version of religion, but I doubt it's anything so fancy as that. Religion started off as a way for humans to understand a complicated world. It's why the first gods were just personifications of existing phenomena. God of thunder, god of the sea, god of the dead, etc. With the advent of agriculture and civilization came the first rulers, as someone needed to keep track of everything a settlement needs. If a ruler did a good enough of a job keeping the settlement safe from danger (i.e. got lucky that a flood didn't just destroy everything during their rule) then they start claiming to be divinely blessed, and that opposing them is tantamout to opposing the gods themselves. You can't exactly rationalize your way out of that. You got killed for even trying to. It hasn't changed much since then, we just use different names, like how we call it the Rapture instead of Ragnarok now.
>>541290704I have found that assuming that you already know everything there is to know is quite narcissistic. So when the religious people say that its a religion, its true.Personally, I no longer make up stories for things that i dont know. I dont know if there are ghosts or not, but i am not going to claim to know that there are definitely no such things as ghosts.That said, there is one thing I DO know. All the religions in the world, are man made.
>>541290704self delusion due to fear of confronting constant barrage of bad thoughts. when you're an athiest your thoughts become a kink
>>541304332>Atheism is the ReligionOxymoron
hey, real quick, while i got you here, can someone give me a qrd
>>541290704Atheism requires a belief in Christianity.And a simultaneous disbelief in Christianity.Completely ignoring Islam, Judism, Buddhism, and so on.A third belief in some pseudoscience religion.And a simultaneous disbelief in serious sciences.A form of psychotic polytheism.
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>>541305822>Atheism requires a beliefIncorrect. It's a disbelief or lack if belief
>>541306402It's an act of disbelief. Signifying there is belief.Otherwise, it would require apathy instead of opposition.
>>541306644Thats possibly the most retarded thing I've ever seen posted
>>541306682So, I'm correct.
>>541306644>It's an act of disbeliefFor some. I lack belief until evidence convinces me otherwise
>>541306712what if you don't believe in the evidence?
>>541306707Sure, if we're living in opposite world
>>541306712Has this lack of evidence led you to demand answers from Christians or led you towards apathy for their position while seeking your own answers?Be honest.
>>541290704Atheism is a factory that churns out troons, they all become like pic related sooner or later.Notice how both atheism and LGBTism suffer from suicide epidemics? It's all related.
>>541290704>generally smarter midwit fallacy
>>541306755Go back and read what I said bud >>541306805>Has this lack of evidence led you to demand answers from ChristiansYup, but I don't demand.
>>541306808Amen sister
>>541306784Not a cogent argument. Show where you see I'm wrong, and possibly comparing it to where I actually am wrong.Yes, those are two different things.
>>541290704Your time is centered around knowing, building your knowledge and appreciating what is happening in the universe/reality now, rather than the distant future in another dimension/afterlife etc.
>>541306887You post a picture of your spiritual brothers & sisters, so what now?You are related to Trump, Netanyahu & Epstein, you are truly evil.
>>541306845Ah, so I can assume the apathy isn't there.Gave you done the same for Islamists, Jews, etc. or are you only targeting Christians?And if possible, why the belief in your disbelief?
>>541306893Well you basically said "you have to believe in thing to not believe in thing," its self evidently retarded, unless you're retarded, so explaining it would be a waste of time really.
>>541306965Then why have disbelief instead of absolute apathy?And why target only Christians?
>>541306933>spiritualLmao>>541306960>Gave you done the same for Islamists, JewsYup.
>>541306845i don't believe what you said. so what the fuck am i supposed to do now. i tried living by your riles and now everything has turned upside down
>>541307073>i don't believe what you saidSounds like a personal problem
>>541306808Jesus never laid with or woman or had sex with one. But he did (as written in the bible) lay naked with only a towel around his waist with John cuddling into his bare chest. Which is very gay. They literally had to change it after the King James version because it made Jesus look gay.
>>541307040Uh huh. So, is your issue with the institution of religion or with God?
>>541307032Sorry I can't go on, thats just more retardation
>>541307157Never really thought this stuff through, have you? The opposite of belief is not disbelief, but apathy.Dis, by definition, is to show disrespect to, often by insult or criticism. Therefore, disbelief requires belief.Try again.
>>541307121Why does it matter to you?
>>541307277>The opposite of belief is not disbelief, but apathy.To you
>>541307336It matters that I find out all I can about my enemies so I make plans better.
Proof that morality shouldn't be conflated with smarts. Just that simple.Not to say we should get rid of morals either, because I despise Nazi Germany. Adolf Hitler was a morally bankrupt person and America was on the right side of history there. Fascism is a disgusting thing. Fascism should be destroyed.
>>541307358This is the best an antagonizing individual can muster before someone he deems retarded?
>>541307492Hello? Mighty atheists?Are you there?
>>541297902When I make a photocopy of something, why does the original still exist?
>>541307397>my enemiesBro, calm down. >>541307492>antagonizingYou're the one looking for a fight >>541307602>pay attention to me!Are you a woman?
>>541304426>Religion started off as a way for humans to understand a complicated worldNo, religion came from understanding. It didn't come from the desire to understand. Humanity already understood that there must be a principal cause of existence, and that the various things we experience in existence are aspects of that principal cause. That's why all mythology shares the same skeleton. It all comes from the same metaphysical understanding. The outward dressing is nothing more than representations of principle. You have a backwards view of how humanity has progressed throughout their history. There's no such thing as a "god of the gaps", because at no point was God or gods used to explain something that humanity didn't understand. Religion has always been used as a way to express something that humanity already understood.
>>541290704It's fake and gay, like asking to be red pilled about something.
>>541307602Then I might as well conclude there is no good argument against God The Eternal Father; His most Holy Son Jesus The Christ, and our close friend The Holy Ghost. Three individuals working for one purpose - to bring about the immortality and eternal life of mankind.Good night, gentlemen. I wish I had gleaned more information to set up far better offensives. I will in time. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
>>541307758>at no point was God or gods used to explain something that humanity didn't understand.This is historically incorrect because ancient societies frequently invoked gods to explain natural forces and phenomena they did not yet understand
>>541307821You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>541307849No, they didn't. What I've said is historically correct. What you're stating is revisionism. Ancient societies never invoked gods to explain natural forces they didn't understand. No one in the ancient world ever thought that Zeus was literally throwing lightning bolts at people. Everyone was intelligent enough to know that Zeus was a personification of an eternal principle.
>>541307901>What I've said is historically correctNope
>>541307901You know, when you post shit like this, with confidence, stating your opinion as though it were fact, it makes me want to castrate you IRL, physically. Something to keep in mind.
>>541307940Yes. What I've stated is an objective fact.>>541307990That's because you're horrendously insecure and have never studied history, so you get weak in the knees around somebody who knows what they're talking about.
>>541308047>What I've stated is an objective fact.Nope
>>541308093Luckily for us both, you're as impotent as you are ignorant.
why does he do it?what does he get out of it?
>>541307901>Ancient societies never invoked gods to explain natural forces they didn't understand.Ancient MesopotamiaThe Drivers: The Tigris and Euphrates rivers flooded violently and unpredictably.Divine Explanations:Enlil (Storm God): Believed to cause devastating seasonal floods and destructive winds when angered.Adad (Rain God): Implored by farmers to provide gentle rains for crops rather than catastrophic storms.
>>541308143Then post your own address with proof that it is your own on this board, and we will see who is impotent. I do not want you to post the address of an innocent person and risk them being false flagged by your idiocy. But you will not post your address alongside reasonable proof that it belongs to you. If you do, we'll see who the real "impotent" one is.
>>541290704It's just not believing in god or gods, or any supernatural stuff.simple as.
>>541308223All of those examples prove me right. Those are all instances of personifications of metaphysical principles. None of them are being used as an explanation for an inexplicable phenomenon. That's just something your own conceit tricked you into believing, because you can't comprehend the possibility that ancient man was smarter than you are. You need ancient man to be superstitious, because the alternative is that they knew something you don't.>>541308235We can already see who's impotent, because you're the only one here who wants to murder, but can't. That's the definition of impotency.
To all the Christians who always ask "Why do you only attack Christians? Why never your own retards?" I am about to. Ready?Fuck off, no, my own, the atheists, particularly in the west, are not fucking smarter. Fedoras believe some of the most inconsistent, brain dead pseudo-science on the planet, except without any of the logical justifications religious people have.Why the fuck would an atheist ever believe in equality? Who is making is equal? You don't believe in god! How the fuck does equality arise naturally? Why would it? Imagine someone rolling dice confident he will always get 12 every single time. The dice aren't loaded, he is just certain. Rolls do not actually need to be examined (in fact it's RACIST to do so) because they always land on 12. That's what it means to be an fedora who believes in equality, only DNA has astronomically more permutations than a pair of dice do, so how the fuck is the dice scenario absurd but not DNA?!It feels like if I talk to an atheist in America or Europe about real issues, they set up these arbitrary boundaries for themselves where they feel the need to establish what people's rights are. What rights? Who gives you the rights? You realize this concept only exists because the Christian Founding Fathers wrote about it, right? More than half of all babies ever born never lived to see their first birthday. Where were their natural rights? Can you measure it? No? Then why discuss it? You don't believe in the immaterial you fucks!The other day I saw some dumb bitch on Instagram saying 'Dear Christians, Aphrodite loves you." No she fucking doesn't! Her own followers at the height of her worship would have told you that! This bitch applied Christian logic to a non-christian religion because she cannot conceive of a religion that doesn't constantly offer free hugs. Atheism does that same shit all the goddamned time! Nietzsche talked about this. Most atheists in the west are Christians in denial.
>>541298530Nope. Not true, you atheists pivoted to this once you got blown out on your own definition. Motte and Bailey fallacy. Atheism has always meant you assert there is no God
>>541308388>All of those examples prove me rightNope
>>541308655>Atheism has always meant you assert there is no GodNope
Ancient EgyptTimeline: 3100 BCE – 30 BCELocation: Northeastern Africa (along the Nile River)The Drivers: The civilization relied entirely on the predictable, annual flooding of the Nile for agricultureDivine Explanations:Hapi (God of the Nile Flood): Honored as the force bringing fertile silt to the riverbanks to prevent famine.Khepri (Scarab God): Envisioned as a giant beetle rolling the sun across the sky, explaining the daily sunrise.
>>541308524>How the fuck does equality arise naturally?Reciprocal Altruism: Animals share food with expectation of future return.Mutual Interdependence: Survival requires teamwork, making every member valuable.Levelling Mechanisms: Weak individuals band together to suppress dominant bullies.Risk Mitigation: Shared resources prevent total group starvation during scarcity.To name a few
>>541308824Yet again, you're proving me right. The Egyptians more than any other civilization were extremely well versed in metaphysics, and there's extensive proof showing that the various Egyptian deities were meant to be expressions of an eternal principle. You're so unknowledgeable on this subject that it's honestly embarrassing.
>>541308524>Who gives you the rights?The same ones who defend them. Men
>>541308934>Yet again, you're proving me right.Nope
>>541299900Two things existing at the same time doesn't mean its false
>>541308761A cat lacks belief in gods. Atheists reject belief in gods. Atheism is not an agnostic position.
>>541308934>the egyptians were experts in made up bullshit
>>541308934>there's extensive proof showing that the various Egyptian deities were meant to be expressions of an eternal principleShow it.
>>541309028>Atheism is not an agnostic position.Agnostic is both an atheist and theist position. Same with gnostic
>>541308984>has absolutely zero argument after getting utterly destroyedHere, have another page that completely dismantles your ahistorical worldview. Next time, you should read a book or two before running your mouth on a subject you know absolutely nothing about.
>>541309028>A cat lacks belief in godsSo do human babies. We're all born agnostic atheist
>>541309093>destroyed>Here, have another page that completely dismantles your ahistorical worldviewWhere exactly?
>>541297627>I dont believe in something that has no proof to it, regardless of who is saying it.Do you believe in justice, mercy, or duty?
>>541308655I reject specific gods, like the Jewish dessert god. But the assertion there is no god, when god is the non specific abstract concept of god. That is not an assertion I hold, because the abstract god does not mean anything to me. "There is no god" is the same as "There is no sdfhskdfhs".
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>>541290704Atheism is what happens when you dump all your points into Intelligence and put absolutely nothing into wisdom or charisma.
>>541309189>Do you believe in justice, mercy, or duty?No? They exist independently of belief.
>>541309216What's the source and where the extensive proof?
>>541309160>loses argument>pretends not to be able to readPathetic.
>>541297769>Humans are monkeys by definition.Humans are apes. Monkeys have tails.
>>541291127You cannot convince a fish that it swims in water because the water is its entire reality.
>>541309260>>loses argumentNot really, >>541309216Read the first part there bucko lol
>>541299408A woman is an adult female human. A man is an adult male human. Females are the sex which produce eggs. Males are the sex which produce sperm, pollen, or similar smaller, mobile gametes.
Atheism is a poor tool to maintain civilization. Name one that has mass adopted atheism, and improved. Pro tip, you can't.
>>541309401You morons keep treating atheism as a monolith when it's just an opinion about the existence of God or gods.
541290704 (OP)It’s not about being smart, it’s about being right. The dumbest nigger in Detroit can still sense danger.
>>541309223They do not. Want the whole quote?
>>541308931Equality, not cooperation, dillweek.You know, as annoying as christcucks are, they would have the balls to disagree openly rather than side step with a meek 'well actually' that doesn't even apply.
>>541309566>They do notSure do >>541309567Cooperation can lead to equality, dillweed
>>541290704Atheism is just a ploy of Christian missionaries (Catholes) to encourage conversion of ethnic tribes. First they introduce atheism to soften the tolerance the traitors of tribe and then they offer Christianity as the solution to Atheism. This is what is called Hagelian dialect."All religions are same garbage, therefore converting to our new religion is not a crime. All your crimes will be forgiven if you convert to our religion and pay us weekly tax of tithe to our clergy/polit buro."
>>541309223You aren't a real atheist.The only objective moral system is any one which can be directly observed and that's the one which produces results and outlasts all others. This whole time, the only objective moral system had always been the survival of the fittest. It's been in front of us all along. All those faux principles rely on the assumption that there is some higher, intangible truth that overrules what we can see. How very religious of you to cling to it.Now, if some guy with a gun to your head says all that shit is real, that's a different story, and all that will exist so long as he can forfe you to believe in it through the barrel of a gun. At least, until you can take his gun and make up your own rules, rules proven to be more effective by the fact they won and his lost.It's fun arguing with a fellow atheist. Christcucks make the same 4 arguments. That shit gets old. Atheism though has so many flaws and weaknesses that go unaddressed within the community and utterly disgust me and its fun to poke them. Ideally they'll be stamped out utterly with time.
>>541309872>You aren't a real atheistI am. I lack belief in God or gods
>>541309633“All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE."Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES."So we can believe the big ones?"YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING."They're not the same at all!"YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"MY POINT EXACTLY.”― Terry Pratchett, HogfatherSuch ideals exist in the minds of people, not the physical world. Believing in them is an act of faith, a choice to act as if they are real.
>>541310019>Such ideals exist in the minds of peopleYou mean the morality assigned to justice, mercy, or dutyYet those very things are observable in nature
>>541310097>THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY.Do it faggot.
>>541310203When a mother elephant comes to the aid of their calf. (Duty) Another elephant of the same herd comes to the aid of another to defend from a predator.(Duty) (Justice)The herd of elephants not killing the predator once their threat stops. (Mercy)
>>541310326Your meme has nothing to do with atheism
>>541310317You are conflating physical actions with abstractions. Abstractions do not exist on the level of physical reality.
>>541310533>You are conflating physical actions with abstractionsWhat abstractions.Mercy, justice and duty can be represented in physical means. And I'd argue they can only exist in physical means.
>>541310594>What abstractions.Duty, justice, and mercy.>Mercy, justice and duty can be represented in physical means.A representation of something is not the thing itself.>And I'd argue they can only exist in physical means.Then do so. I would suggest first defining your terms.
>>541291127>dead JewJessus wasn't a kike, avi.
>>541301854> Jews> PureLOL!
>>541310657>Duty, justice, and mercy.How are those abstractions when we can demonstrate them?>>541310657>A representation of something is not the thing itselfIt can be, depending on context >>541310657>>And I'd argue they can only exist in physical means.>Then do soAlready did.
>>541310664But he was a jew
>>541310751No such thing at the time, the Talmud arose centuries after Christianity.And what you call "jews" are defined by the talmud.This is a fight over semantics rather than substance.
>>541310822>No such thing at the timeIncorrect
>>541310869Talmud didn't exist so I am pretty sure I am correct.
>Beige asiatic stink nog would like to talk about the silliest religion with fellow white males of europe please. Well basically it says that you’re a type of stinky monkey and it’s science so there. In your case it’s right, post pic’s of your mum, for the religion of science.
>>541291127spbp, fuck abrahamism
>>541310925>Talmud didn't existThe Torah did and the Talmud is based off 2nd temple oral traditions
>>541309897>>You aren't a real atheist>I am. I lack belief in God or godsThat's the definition of being an atheist but the theist is a highly confused nigger so fundamental logic doesn't apply, they even think they go somewhere when they die
>>541291808Reading the Bible is the most effective way to stop believing is retarded religious horse shit. That is exactly what made an atheist out of me.
In this thread you can see that there is not atheism, there are people that hate God.
>>541311000>The Torah didI don't use kike terms for Christian books.Kike, jew religion is defined by the talmud. You little vermins have no claim to anything but the Talmud. > off 2nd temple oral traditionsThe lies you tell to lend credence to your revolting modern religion is of no interest to me.
>>541311132>I don't use kike terms for Christian booksThis idiot doesn't realize the OT is the Torah consisting of the first five books of the Hebrew Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and DeuteronomyYou're too stupid for this conversation
>>541290704Basically niggers. You don't have to live your life in reverence of God's existence every day, you'll be rewarded if you just live an honest life and didn't spend it swindling for shekels. But making your existence revolve around "muh kikes invented God" is pretty silly. Also pretty telling since the only things the bible really stops you from doing are kike hobbies.
>>541310732>How are those abstractions when we can demonstrate them?An abstraction is a an idea that expresses something about a concrete reality, but which is not the concrete reality itself. Duty, for example, refers to the idea that one has obligations to do something. This is not something which exists physically, but which exists in the ideas people give to the world, as a way to organize people's actions in it. It is an organizing principle which can be exhibited physically, but which is not itself a physical thing.>It can be, depending on contextWhat do you think "representation" means? The core of the concept is that it it NOT the thing being expressed.>Already did.No, you just said that you would. That is not an actual argument. Again, I suggest defining your terms.
>>541290704Fake, ergo not truth.
>>541311174>This idiot doesn't realize the OT is the TorahLike I said, shlomo, I will never use your terms for Christian books.> Hebrew BibleNo such thing, avi.
>>541291127why is it always the brits that are eternally asshurt about god and his son on this board? can someone explain this phenomenon?
>>541311272There is a lot of jews in Britain.
>>541311224>expresses something about a concrete realityDone and done >>541311224>No, you just said that you wouldSee:>>541310317You're just stuck on applying human emotions and morality to what you think justice, duty and mercy is.
>>541311252>calls me SolomonI rest my case, you really are too stupid for these conversations. Last you
>>541311319> Please adopt the jew terms I use to describe sacred Christian books or I will call you dumbNo.
>>541311294>Done and done>>541311224>but which is not the concrete reality itself.Pretending to not understand doesn't make you look good, anon.>See:>>>541310317You gave scenarios which could be interpreted to exemplify those abstractions, but which are not those abstractions themselves.>You're just stuck on applying human emotions and morality to what you think justice, duty and mercy is.I'm trying to get you to understand what ideals are. They are not things which exist outside of minds to think them.
>>541311425>Pretending to not understand doesn't make you look good, anon.No need to project >>541311425>You gave scenariosOf animals demonstrating duty, justice and mercy. >>541311425>I'm trying to get you to understand what ideals areIdeals are nothing more than man rebranding what was already developed through evolution.
>>541290704Early teen phase shit
>>541311494>No need to projectYou're the one who has refused to define your terms. Want me to define the others too?>Of animals demonstrating duty, justice and mercy.And those physical actions are not the ideals themselves, which are that people SHOULD act in ways that exemplify them.>Ideals are nothing more than man rebranding what was already developed through evolution.Evolution describes what IS and HOW it got there. Ideals describe what SHOULD BE. The is-ought distinction is not bridgeable by mere physical facts.
>>541311057Maybe you are just too stupid to get it.
>>541312018>You're the one who has refused to define your termsWhat terms?>>541312018>And those physical actions are not the ideals themselves,According to your subjective interpretation >>541312018>Ideals describe what SHOULD BE.And the should came from evolution to better help survival of a group.
>>541311272Christianity is one of the pillars of white genocide.
>>541312286>What terms?Justice, duty, and mercy.>According to your subjective interpretationAccording to the basic idea of what abstractions are. Again with the pretending to not understand.>And the should came from evolution to better help survival of a group.Survival of a group is consequence, not a moral statement. Here's a primer:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem
>>541290704Atheists will all die, and go to Hell.
>>541312609>Justice, duty, and mercy.I don't need to define them.>>541312609>According to the basic idea of what abstractions areYou mean your subjective interpretation of what you think an abstraction.is>>541312609>Survival of a group is consequenceAnd everyone SHOULD strive for the ideals with the best consequences
>>541290704We have been flooded by low-IQ /r/atheism redditors for years now. The same endless ignorant spam day in and day out.
>>541312671The mutilated cattle seem to be very active today. What triggered you?
>>541312671>I don't need to define them.Sure you do, if you wish to make arguments about them. An undefined term makes a meaningless argument, and you are disagreeing about the basic meanings of those words.>You mean your subjective interpretation of what you think an abstraction.isWant me to quote a dictionary?>And everyone SHOULD strive for the ideals with the best consequencesWhy?>YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.Because you, as a person capable of making moral judgments, decide that it should be that way. Many people in fact choose differently.
>>541312804>Sure you doNo I don't While the ideas themselves are concepts in our minds, but they take on a real, concrete presence the moment someone acts on themI'll break this down for youPhysical Actions: A person sharing their food is the physical embodiment of mercy.Material Objects: A signed peace treaty or a courtroom gavel provides a tangible form to justice.Written Laws: A constitution or a contract turns the concept of duty into physical ink and paper.In philosophy, this is often called instantiation or manifestation, the moment an invisible idea becomes a visible reality through behavior.
>>541312804>>And everyone SHOULD strive for the ideals with the best consequences>Why?Survival
>>541312940You will die anyway, and you will go to Hell.
>>541312900>but they take on a real, concrete presence the moment someone acts on themNo they don't. Seehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)>No I don'tAnd this is why it's important to define your terms. If you don't in the next exchange, I'll do it for you.>>541312940>SurvivalAnd why should that be the primary goal? Duty may involve sacrificing one's life for others, after all. Actually answer the WHY here.
>>541313047>No they don'tSure are>>541313047>And this is why it's important to define your termsLook in a dictionary >>541313047>And why should that be the primary goal?Is this a serious question?
>>541313106>it's not real>but this unreal concept can influence realityLol.
The answer is very obviously selection bias. If you even need someone to explain this to you and don't intuitively understand it, you are fucking stupid.
>>541313047The reification fallacy happens when you treat an invisible, abstract concept as if it were a literal physical object with its own independent thoughts or body.My point is different and philosophically sound: I am identifying concrete examples of an idea, not turning the idea itself into a physical monster or person.
>>541313047>Duty may involve sacrificing one's life for othersStill about survival
>>541303920>funny how left doesn't happen in atheist europe or atheist japan or atheist chinaneither China nor Japan are atheist though. They're just not Christian.But Buddhism, Shinto, Confucianism are deeply entrenched in their culture and social norms.
