were all the military men of history wasting their time by being chess autists?
>>541330932military men play RTS. keep up grandpa
>>541330932Simpletons admire complexity, geniuses admire simplicity.
>>541330932Elon says random weird shit to look smart but ends up sounding retarded.>Im so good at COD I never play with anybody.>No you cant see me play with somebody.
It is. But its still a good game for when there's no electricity.
>>541330932is he implying that playing paradox games and RTS is "useful in real life"?
>Number of possible games orders of magnitude greater than the number of atoms in the known universe >SimpleHe's just pissed he couldn't pay a chink to cheat for him
Elon musk is extremely smart. You're just jelly that you're not as rich and don't fuck as many hot biches as him.
>>541331359humongous midwit detected. you could just as easily say the same about bing bing wahoo, it's meaningless.
>>541330932He got bored of paying people to play his chess games for him
>>541331467Hi musk, no your hoes are nasty.Get yourself a real GF (ghost friend).
>>541330932Does he play kriegspiel, or is he just a hoi4 autist?
>>541330932Compared to go, chess is booger eating easy
>>541330932indeed beyond a certain point it's not useful i assumeSame can be said for the arts or maths or athleticism
>>541330932ztown750 on chess.com if you want to run it elon, bastard.
>>541330932Neither chess nor videogames are useful in real life. Musk is retarded. Chess isn't even fun after the age of around ten because you learn it's just about memorising a finite number of moves, not actual strategy.
>>541331467Go reup your hair plugs, elon.
>>541330932>were all the military men of history wasting their time by being chess autists? We shouldn't judge people of the past by today's standards. In the current day, we have more and better options for training your mind and having fun
>>541330932Chess is a solved game. Most grandmasters are midwits with photographic memory skills.
>tried chess and gave it up saying it's too easy (lmao)>says he's a great Diablo player when it turns out he's lyingMusk is mentally ill. Not autistic. Mentally ill
>>541330932Musk is retarded but chess is objectively a stupid waste of time, once you get to be any good at all it’s just a matter of who wasted more time memorizing byzantine move sequences
Musk is so braindead he expects an exact 1-to-1 simulation of real life or it just doesn't have any value. to be expected from a Jew from a failed state
>>541330932he's so unbelievably gay
>>541331650That's what's funny about Musk's stance. He's right, but his reasoning is stupid.There are a near infinite number of chess games that can be played. However, humans have optimized it over many years.Which is just like real life.War is very simple. It's also been optimized.
>>541331684I play chess, and you are correct.I had a match against a jew, wherein I played an original game. My opponent was dumbfounded and tossed the board upside down accusing me of "cheating" it was very apparent that all he could do was reenact old historical games from rote memorization, he didn't even know the rules of the game.They can't create, all they do is steal, copy, and cheat.
All tech bros are retarded subhuman filfth. The greeks and romans threw them against the cliff walls because they knew they had nothing to offer but autistic misery for the world.
>>541331242You must get so much genius poonThere is no creative thinking in chess only developing an algorithm and rote memorization
>>541331467>There are, like a bajillion different combos!!!?!!1;$!2?_Faggot, 99% of those combos are useless and would lose the game instantly. The number of useful strategies is sub 100 for chess.
>>541330932he's a totally real elite gamer bro
>>541332042>wherein I played an original game. My opponent was dumbfounded and tossed the board upside down accusing me of "cheating"Doesn't that just prove there's still life in the game because you can take out an opponent who thinks he knows it all by being original?It's like the other anon said about war, there's a lot of routes you won't take in any given situation because they're bad ones. If you have a street and the enemy are at the other end you won't order your men to stand in the open throwing pies at them even though it is an option you could theoretically choose.
>>541332144>>541332143Only grandmasters worry about that shit, as an amateur you're just playing for fun.
>>541330932Chess is too slow and easy for an advanced human brain. Kids should be playing games like chess, but once you become a man you need action you need things that matter. Elon is right there is nothing on the line with chess, its a foofoo game. Do you see rich,smart, powerful people playing chess? Is there some presidents chess club? Its for people who think they are smart but are just mindless drones, following stupid arbitrary rules. Like bitch why cant this piece move how I want it to, and what the fuck do you mean I cant score a point like this? It is a game to teach you how to be a good goy and listen.
Muskrats son is a tranny and he first said Trump raped kids and then just made up with him, like a woman.
>>541330932this guy couldn't sounds more indian if he tried
>>541331242t. likes to play only on 100x100 totally flat grassland maps with one hallway and no obstacles
>>541330932HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
Chess is interesting from a game design perspective, or at least the combinatorial space that can produce a complex game state from relatively simple rules. It's kind of solved at this point, but that doesn't make the design uninteresting to study. Go is probably the next natural thing to suggest for a game that can produce complexity from simplicity, but I'm the 21st century we probably need something like the be MtG sets with Spider-Man on them if we want anyone to play.
>>541330932Chess is memorizing openings for the majority of your play. It's not that intellectual.
>>541332042I'm sure this happened
>>541330932can't pay someone to play chess for you like in vidya games
>>541330932>military men of historyscum of the earth
>>541332143The chinese have sent female spies to try and get a semen sample from me, by any means necessary. Fortunately I married my high school sweetheart. Anyone with an IQ over 200 is a target.
>>541330932This is literally exacly what Radovid said in the witcher 3Hang on I'll find ithttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dsHwUvmrVIoMusk is literally king radovid
>>541330932chess is for juvenielle delinquittes in detention
>>541330932Yeah those guys during ww1 telling people to kill themselves by machine gun fire?
>>541330932No one used chess as an analogue for war.The Prussian military establishment developed more complex tabletop wargaming.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KriegsspielAlso, Elon is a fucking moron. Take some K in a spa, already wh*te nigger.
>>541332295American Ace pilots typically fly "seat of the pants" because we can. The semites, don't have that ability, they are very predictable.
>>541330932oh cool so whats his rank in starcraft 2 then? aoe2?
>>541330932He's kind of right, chess is just memorization
>>541331359Magic: the Gathering has even greater "complexity" when you're just measuring unique board states, and it's been turned into value slop spam.In any event, Musk is just a midwit with a short attention span hence his preference for video games where the majority of content happens in the first quarter or third of the game. Chess is boring to him because openings are just going through the motions, his brain immediately becomes complacent, and he's not smart enough to realize this.
>>541330932He's making an AoE2 reference. Trve avtists played that.
>>5413326101200 elo opinion. You get out of the opening and you have to rely on your understanding of tactics, strategy, piece activity and coordination etc. Memorization is a small part of it
So, who humiliated him this time?
>>541332668IBM asked me to play against their computer, when they first developed their chess program.Getting a feel for it, I played the first game casual, and it won. The second game I did a variant of the queens gambit. Distracting it with a sacrifice, that it couldn't resist. When I mated it's king, it just continued "thinking" for 20 minutes. Defeated in 6 moves, but it wasn't programmed to lose, finally they pulled the plug.
>>541330932Now I have a question, what made Elon the richest person on the planet?
>>541330932When you play chess with your dad as a kid that is a game that helps to teach you problem solving and decision making skills. You know the rules and you're trying to come up with a plan. Anyone who knows anything about how elite chess is played today knows that is not how anyone plays chess other than children. You don't have time to think. Modern elite chess is about memorization and move statistics.
>>541333644government investiture
>>541330932Says the guy who thinks Diablo 4 is fun and has someone else play PoE for him.
>>541331242This, chess is for retards. The thinking man’s game is connect 4.
>>541331467Please tell me your a random Jeet and not Musks friend or something cause this shit is just sad.I could recommend you some games I really could but everyone's too busy sticking their nose up Ukraine, Israel or Trumps ass cracks so until that changes, no good idea are coming out of me or a bunch of other people, enjoy.
>>541333044>No one used chess as an analogue for war.Chess is an alternative to war, as are the Olympic games.
>>541330932Playing chess with anyone who likes chess is fucking disgusting, no skill involved. The moment you force them to think they start bitching.
>>541330932elon is right. chess has been solved for centuries it just boils down to autists memorizing moves
>>541331467All his gfs have been ugly dogs except Amber Heard and she was just using him as a betabux and beat him up anyway (based gal) she probably shat on his head too.
>>541331498Jeet spotted
>>541331242>Simpletons admire complexity, geniuses admire simplicity.Chess is for simpletons - Geniuses prefer Go.
Does anyone want to play with me?I'm currently visiting family in UK. I am ranked in the top ten in the world. It is raining here and I'm stuck in the countryside.
>>541333667My dad wasn't that type. He was a state champion, and he did teach me to play, but after I beat him at age 5, he never played me again.I quit playing for a year after humiliating someone so viciously, they went and committed suicide. It really taught me a lesson, that it's just a game. It should be fun.Don't take it too seriously.
>>541330932>No random map or spawn positionIf you combine Fischer Randomized Chess (mirrored randomized starting positions) with Circular Chess (the board is a circle and wraps around so non-pawn pieces can even attack the rear of the enemy formation) you get a Chess that will probably never be able to be "solved" even with alien technology.
>>541334104>chess has been solved for centuries it just boils down to autists memorizing movesThere are many DLC available. Chess has a long life ahead of it.
>>541332042There are dozens of handbooks with different strategies and counter strategies. Berlin Defence etc. Chess only ever gets interesting at the far end where you cannot play these strategies. But it goes for RTS too. Once you know how to tower drop or village center drop in AoE, you just do that.
ELONELONELONWLON
>>541332042This is what Magnus does. He plays the most bizarre openings that his opponents don't know how to respond. He actually has an understanding of the game and takes people "out of the book."
>>541330932Games peaked with 2009-era Yugioh before the synchro shit came out
>>541330932He sucks. Chess is an intelligence check.
If Neil DeGrasse Tyson was white, he would be a trillionaire off of government contracts.
>>541334795>Fischer Randomized ChessBased & Bobbypilled.
start taking anaboles
>>541331242>im deep - T. Faggot
>>541330932According to Musk, the real intellectual challenge is paying other people to level up your character in video games.
>>541330932this is anglo cope because they cant into chess because retarded. chess trains you to think fast off course. the speec in which you think is also you iq when you become slow you end up a retard.you become an american.this must be avoided at all costs.
>>541330932>no tech tree
>>541335545That's how you win. Every historical game has a loser. Your odds are 50/50 if you play repeating the past. Play a game that's never been played before, you odds are... you do the math.
>>541332510I am the obstacle
>>541330932I bet you this fat faggot would lose 10 out of 10 games to your average 8th grade chess team autist.
>>541330932based tiberium wars enjoyer
>>541334209I think go is more interesting Chess is very western when you think about it. All the pieces have their own individuality and degrees of importance. In go there are just infinite minions with the intent of swarming your opponent.Chess vs go is sort of like ZvT
>>541336490how could you say that, this implies that americans are all losers because you have virtually no chess players.even your alleged smartest guy, schmelon katursk, copes about chess and how its a waste of time.then he turns around and sends rockets into the void, which is the greatest waste of time of all.for us its nice because he has to pay so many memecoins for the special alloys for his rockets. you morons cant even do that, which is very funny.
>>541330932>were all the military men of history wasting their timeThey simply had nothing better until that changed.
>>541336388That whole gamer stolen valor thing was unfathomably pathetic and is really a sign of desperation from the ruling class. Like they need for everyone to think they're uniquely talented and smart so people believe they deserve to control billions.
>>541331242this is why I like tic tac toe more than chess.
this is so weird to me, you let everybody else do the important work and you stand there and say its all a waste of time. the important time spend, according to you, is just sitting there and doing nothing.how does this even work.
>>541335602Not reallyIt's like an iq test If you know the rules and play a game without much experience your outcome will depend on your ability to plan around various outcomes, but once you play dozens of concurrent games the outcome depends on repeating correct positions that have won games for yourself or others, basically turning you into a slave to your own actions.
when everybody else creates every part of your silly rocket, you virtually do nothing and just stand there.every retard can put a lego kasten together. what is the age range for a lego kasten 8 years or so.
>>541336647I wasted a hell of a lot of time becoming an International champion, at the behest of my government.
>>541336756
>>541336647The two people tied for second place are Americans. America is second place for the total number of Grandmasters. What are you talking about?
>>541336639kek
>>541336976magnus karlsen is from finland and they only have 10 million people or so. you have 350 million and not even 1 guy who can beat magnus.this is not good. chess is deeply into our culture and we always must compete in this, forever.
>>541330932chess is for preening faggot losers, backgammon for money is where Chads roam
>>541330932I've been humiliated at the chess table. It is like war.
>>541336789Being able to play ten moves ahead takes some processing power. Experts rarely calculate every branch that far. Instead, they use memory, intuition, and pattern recognition to narrow choices down to a few smart paths, and this is very lazy.It's not just about chess. Thinking ten moves ahead is a way of life, master it, not the game.There are few surprises in life, when you expect the unexpected in advance. You already sent her flowers, before she even told you she was mad.
>>541337320poker is also good and you guys champion this. backgammon is not popular for whatever reason.
>>541331242>>541331085>>541330932What Elon is saying, is he can't compete with an equal opponent, he needs daddy's money and an unfair advantage.
>>541330932GO is objectively more high IQ, by a huge margin. Chess is to GO as tic tac toe is to chess.
>>541337481the most commonly played variants of poker still have too much memorization, most of the long term profitable players are just doing pot odds and outs arithmetic in their head. Some variants are harder to play as a robot though. Backgammon has far too may permutations for that. Warren Buffet famously was a big backgammon player.
>>541331242and geniuses also apparently like bumper sticker slogans in place of nuance
>>541330932Why do people posts pics of Musk talking to himself?
>>541330932This guy has to pay someone to play PoE for him, I don't think he stands a chance in chess or any actual game that requires skill or art
>>541330932chess is the more than the sum of its parts. many beautiful things are like this. to reduce everything down to just components is the mark of a midwit like elon. i'm guessing he doesn't appreciate art or paintings either. he's soulless and he's condescendingly larping as though he's above it all.
>>541331242>you're my glowniggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCREQFQl7Dg
>>541330932That's the fucking point, though.Each player gets the same pieces. The pieces follow simple rules.Technical skill is thus factored out. It's entirely a game of strategic prowess.You can't buy your way to victory.You can't aura farm your way to victory.You win by making the most strategically sound decisions.
>>541331242yup, this is why tic-tac-toe is the best war game
>>541331242Checkers it is lol
>>541330932>>541331085this, i have a copy of command and conquer i bought (one of the few games), solely because i wanted a challenge that trumped chess.chess is too rigid, when real war (and interpersonal relationships) is more fluid and changes moment by moment.in real life a pawn can be a hidden bishop that can move like a knight with the defense of a rook and liberty of a queen, while taking a shot at an enemies piece from a distance of 4-8 squares like a sniper.chess can't train for that fluidityfor 2d minded golems its perfect, but only for their 2x2 board lives, once you step out into the real world, you need a game with more complex rules, pieces and outcomes. (Armored Brigade II, Command and Conquer, and other rts games)
>>541337718Warren Buffet bet his fortune on a chinese electric car and lost everything. He died penniless. They slap a new coat of paint on those things and a 2026 sticker, the Scandinavians buy them and use them as lawn ornaments.
>>541331242i can appreciate chess, complexity always has an underlying simplicity which must be mastered.once the simplicity is mastered, then complexity can be built on top.
>>541337979>Each player gets the same pieces.The International Race of Champions (IROC) is a legendary American auto racing competition where top drivers from different motorsports disciplines compete against each other in identical cars. Drivers raced identically-prepared stock cars set up by a single team of mechanics in an effort to make the race purely a test of driver ability.This series ran from 1973 until 2006 before going dormant.
>>541333498andrea
>>541336474he never learned to make fire, so he needs others to unlock it for him.
>>541338112>i have a copy of command and conquer i bought... solely because i wanted a challengesame here bro, that was my only motivation
>>541330932If it's too simple than you would be automatically very good at it. Either way Musk is still based and better than most as of today
Elon also said he translated Das Capital from its original Aramaic and then time traveled and translated it to German so Marx could get credit for it. He's spiritually indian
>>541330932Garry Kasparov himself was tagged in that exchange which makes it even more cringe.Elon is a douchebag sometimes.
>>541330932Everybody thought the game was checkers but Elon proved them all wrong by playing Potato>>541331242What in the livejournal is this
>>541331315As long as a game uses logic and reasoning in its mechanics then yes those will be useful in real life. Playing games where you have to make complex decisions based on objective information is the foundation of critical thinking, reason, and logic. Training yourself to treat life as a game with no emotional attachments to objectively rational decisions is a very useful skill that most people don't have.
>>541338948Aramaic is Greek not Indian
>>541330932He's right. Chess is a boring game. I think of Dungeons & Dragons as the improved version of chess. Some queerfolk play D&D like a theater group of actors, but the original game was really rooted in classic military simulation. For a long time people would make tiny figurines of soldiers and play out wars, sort of how people play Warhammer 40k the physical game with the dice and mini's. But D&D is more like chess, you have your combat grid, and each piece has movement rules and combat rules to determine which piece drops. And since it's a narrative with constantly changing locations and enemies, it keeps the tactics fresh and interesting.
>>541339510I would agree to an extent, since D and D is really about a story that is pushed along by a Dungeon Master for pure entertainment. Dungeon Masters bend rules in order to keep things moving along, and that includes bending logic to fit their naratives.
Dude isn't even a real engineer. What does he know. MElon man cheats at poe2 it's no wonder he doesn't know how to play chess.
>>541338112In the real world all you have to be is at least a little priviliged and do what your told to do and you will be ok. Chess has more fluidity than you can even think of. You have no idea what you're talking about. If you were put on a battlefield you'll likely die like you lose in chess.
>>541330932>competing on equal footing
>>541330932i too find it knuckleheaded when i don't spawn with an inherited diamond mine and i can't drop out and i have to compete on an equal basis with my oponent
>>541338112I don't think it is about the pieces of chess, or rockets you got, it's about how you are using what you have at hand.
>>541330932God he's such an autist
>>541330932elon comes off as a seething midwit that got beat by a middle schooler in chess.
>>541338948Did you know Elon Musk invented the iPhone back in 1978 but Steve Jobs stole the original blueprints from him?
Chess is fun if both players are at a low level, making up strategies as they go. Chess at a mid or high level is just>ah yes, I recognise his move because I read it in the chess book, but he doesn't know also read the other chess book, that tells me what to do about this move
>>541339510>queerfolkdon't ever use that word again. i don't care about your make believe demonic bullshit but never, ever say that again
>>541330932Yes.
>>541337642>he needs daddy's money and an unfair advantage.I mean that's a good recipe for success. steal your opponent's money/resources and it makes it easier to fuck them overthese are two distinct aspects. one is honorable duel/competition, the other one is real life battle with basically no rules.people like to glamorize conflict, war has rules and shit, but it doesn't really. just look at how many are blown to pieces with drones when they walk with their hands up to surrender. if you don't follow any rules you have a higher chances of success.so in this case, it's quite obvious what his state of mind is. it's about winning by any means necessary, not honorable competition lmao. one of the biggest self snitches if I ever saw one from him
>>541340431>jobs iphoneno jew has ever invented a thingEinstein did have one patent, for a shirt with two rows of buttons, in case you ate too much, but that's about the best they ever did.
>>541340666peanut butter
>>541340105Battle fields are chaotic, chess is turned based. I don't see the correlation.
>>541338221Warren Buffet is still alive
>>541340666That's actually a great idea
>>541332295>you won't order your men to stand in the open throwing pies at themMaybe you wouldnt.
>>541330932Bridge was always the real game for aspiring strategists, since you never had complete information on the battlefield
>>541338112TA>C&CYou're just a dimwitted fag, that's all there's to it. Just like anyone who thinks RTS is more complex than chess. You are just too stupid for it.
>>541341031Technically it is more complex, more pieces, more moves, larger environments, no turns, more variables. A chess game can be mapped out systematically but an RTS is ever changing.
>>541331467>Elon musk is extremely smart.
>>541341200
>>541330932On one hand, Musk is clearly a blustering idiot making up excuses for being bad at a game that intellectuals like to play.On the other hand, it's just a game, and won't indicate you are good at anything else in life other than playing that game.
>>541341361You could just refute my points but I understand if its too hard for you.
>>541341200yeah you can also pay someone else to play it for you and then pose like you did all that
>>541341494I get that but that's not the argument here is it.
>>541341490>refute>pointsHere: >>541341361
>>541331242*admires u*
>>541330932Chess is nothing like reality. Just as anything logical, anything rational.Reality is ever changing chaos while logic only handles a limited set of rules for things that never change, for ideas i.e.
>>541341598Doesn't do well for your argument, makes it look like only a fool thinks chess is better.
Chess has been for faggots ever since based Bobby solved the game and quit. Go is the gentleman's game.
>>541331242>>541330932Musk point is not that Chess doesn't need high iq.The point is that it doesn't teach anything useful outside of chess.Chess is not a good wargame.A game like Risk teach you more about real life skills than chess.A real wargame is something like dominionshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BkYeCINPEWere you have fog of war and you need to diplomancy multiple actos with their own agendas. You learn how coalitions and alliances form out of need even if it can only be one winner.You are forced to negotiate and not be a retard.
>>541332144That's fucking retarded to say, Chess would be a solved game if that was true.
>>541341567it is fundamentally. he's not an honorable player. both caught paying someone else to boost his diablo char and also self snitching with chess. he cannot cheat at chess. I mean he could with a buttplug
Now if you apply fog and spy drones to a chess game.
>>541331809there's no one i want to see getting dismembered live more than him
>>541331242> geniuses admire simplicityNo, geniuses don't admire anything, Admiration is not the essence of genius.The genius masters complexity by intuitively simplifying it.
>>541330932>were all the military men of history wasting their time by being chess autists?The actual game of chess is great for metaphors about war but it inspires no practical strategies.
Oh, i get to post this link, againhttps://youtu.be/s6Am1Gjr74A
>>541340689In recorded history peanut butter was invented by edomites so you're close, Edom was Jacob Israel's brother Esau. Edomites (india) ate a bucket of curry peanuts and squirted it into a jar from their rear end. circa 800BC Indian potato, the precursor to the modern peanut was so popular it became extinct in India. Relatives of the potato were discovered in Bolivia centuries later, but nut butters originated in Asia. Incas and Aztecs ground roasted peanuts into a thick paste over 3,000 years ago.Ground nut and seed pastes have a long history outside of peanuts. Sesame paste (tahini) was created thousands of years ago. In medieval times, Mediterranean and Islamic cultures pounded almonds into rich pastes to thicken stews or make sweets like marzipan.If jews claim that they invented peanut butter, they stole it from the Aztecs when they were colonizing south america.
>>541340666>no jew has ever invented a thinginterest, shaving off coins...srsly, tho, many jews invented many things, laser for one. but we already know that you aren't able to comprehend reality. fuck off, stormfag.israel must go tho
>>541341734I think it's more about the game itself than the players
>>541331359>Number of possible games orders of magnitude greater than the number of atoms in the known universeA fair point but a majority of those potential games would also be 'silly'. Like random movements, not taking high value hung pieces, repeating moves that serve no purpose.The number of possible games where both sides are actively trying to win is much smaller than the number of potential games.
>>541341658>>541341598
>>541330932a genius admires simplicity, an idiot admires complexity
>>541330932Now THIS is a game for true geniuses. Literally infinite possibilities.
>>541341944You are pointing like I'm some kind of mind reader, are you a woman?
>>541341979It's not about simplicity, it's about understanding a purpose for a tool. In our day, we'd say in some psychobabble like blah-blah-something-something-neural-pathways-bleh-bloh-bluh. That's what it does. Other games do it differently, one can use them as tools or be a fool and argue about it whether it's clever or not on chans with other fools.
>>541341932it is always about the players anon. doesn't matter the game. there is always some game to play. what matter is who is playing it, how, and why.everything you see today is precisely because people forgo honor in the name of higher chances of win. even in sports, they perfected the art of faking injuries and being a drama queen because statistically you win more points this way. nobody gives a fuck about anything else, this takes the soul out of any game. becomes bleak and hellish. it is not a game anymore in the classic sense, it's just violent survival by any means necessary. which is the primitive state of things
>>541331242Ball and stick is the thinking man's game
>>541342053>>541341944
>>541342154>it is always about the players anon.chess by mail, dumbass
>>541331315Somewhat is. RTS teaches that war is mostly about resource management and calculated risks. It teaches you to think fast and make the correct moves for a win. Like maybe your opponent has better resource generation and will 100% grind you out but you have a better positioning and can strike him hard and fast before that is a problem. Something Hitler did with his blitzkrieg, eventually he got grinder out though unfortunately
>>541342154No I mean the argument is that chess is basic strategy compared to an RTS with a multitude of ever changing variables. Do military commanders simulate battle in chess or computer simulations?
>>541342273>RTS teaches that war is mostly about resource management and calculated risks.most of the time its about harassment, harassment and harassment
>>541331282He literally has Asperger's
>>541330932Literally yes..? If you are not taking "wasting" too seriously.It's as useful as present-day videogaming autists, if not even less is since that has at least some accuracy.It's literally just games, meant for relaxation while conducting mild mental excercise, and yes even important warlike men need that.
>>541342219You do better against your own argument than I ever could, I thank you.
>>541330932Military men of history didn't play chess, they played kriegsspiele.
>>541342427Also known as the precursor to Dungeons and Dragons. ^^
>>541330932Musk hires people to play Path of Exile 2 for him
>>541342289you are technically right but wrong about the spirit of it. looking for more options reeks of desperation to get lucky without strategising it. I keep trying to tell you it's about someone who doesn't want to follow the rules, they want to basically cheat.honor is when you restrict yourself and play on equal footing. shit I'm not sure you can understand my point, maybe I'm failing at getting it across
>>541330932Chess is a game of gimmicks not a game of strategy.
>>541331359How many of those games are transpositions of boring lines? Street Fighter has even more possible games since it has a tick timer but you wouldn’t talk like that about it. I’m with Elon here. Chess is wack.
>>541330932>guy that sucks at video games can't understand chess This guy is a retard with a big bank account.
>>541341031Ta as in Total annihilation? Patrician choice.
>>541341922>laser for oneLight Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation is an acronym. L.A.S.E.R.Theodore Maiman is credited with building a working laser while working for Hughes in 1960, but LASER and MASER were invented 50 years earlier.
>>541342501Look I'm not a fan of Elon but I cant refute the point he's making about chess. It is based in logic and reason. I know he's shady, but just because you don't like someone doesn't mean he's wrong when he uses logical points.
>>541342599a laser is a maser doe init doughtbeit
>>541333204>openingsThe entire game is “going through the motions” because once the complexity is off the board by dint of piece loss, you also memorize endgames. The entirety of chess occurs in the mid game, where you can usually just SACRIFICE THE ROOOOOOK and get ahead. KOF2002 mogs chess sorry.
https://lichess.org/Z7OGwd33step up nigga, I'll chess-mog every midwit thinking that chess is just memorization. Play some random moves I've never seen before and see if you can beat me.
>>541342537He probably gets off on being humiliated
>>541342666Neither chess nor strategy video games are "useful in real life".
>>541331315Well he is the grand champion at the economic win in Civilization
>>541330932Chess is like programming. The rule is clear, the logic is concrete, and 1 error can fuck everything up.
Cheese is very useful on burgers and crackers and such
>>541342811Poorfag detected
>>541342811I already made this point earlier, and once again do military leaders teach battle with chess? or computer simulations? Which one would you have your military use?
>>541330932This from the guy who faked being great at PoE2 and Diablo4. What a fucking loser
>>541342666>number of the beastI don't dislike him, or like him. I'm kinda meh towards him. maybe a tad disappointed.the logical points you think he is making are not great logical points. cc doesn't help you more than chess, "in the real life". more complex games merely present winning scenarios to unworthy players, based on the randomness and increased complexity. likening chess to tic tac toe is pretty dumb
>>541342811>Neither chess nor strategy video games are "useful in real life".I've gotten hired because of my strategy game rank flexing in my CV more than once
Chess players literally can't society. They're stuck playing their board game kek. It's very simple for them
>>541342934How is that not akin to reality? Life in itself is an ever changing sequence of interwoven random variables, complexity mimics real life.
>>541330932fake gamerwhat a fucking loser
>>541342725No, laser is not maser. Maser is microwave. Maser was used in WWII laser was used in early 1950s science fiction movies
>>541333955>connect 4Pleb. That's practically a children's game.Buckaroo is how truly enlightened men push their nerve and wits to the absolute physical limits.
>>541343174>No, laser is not maser.I....have no words anon. let me guess, colors are also real and grass "is green"?
>>541340732 1 move changes the pace of the whole game in chess. That's more chaos than your puny brain can handle and that's why you suck at it and cry about there not being a correlation when there is. You haven't seen every possible set up in chess from beginning to end. In a battlefield you would lose too. You act like you would do better at it
>>541342802>He probably gets off on being humiliatedI wouldn't know anything about that, try asking around.
>>541343239>That's practically a children's game.corvids and monkeys can play connect 4 too
>>541343094>bro you play chess anymore?>so I have decided the complexity of life imposed a more complex approach to....so the conclusion I'm too smart for chess that's the takewayhe could have said 'nah bro'
>>541343272I'm actually not that bad at chess, I have a logical mind. And I don't see it as bad or wrong in any way, it's a game. But I can't sit here and say that it isn't the basic formulaic strategy game it is and that there are not other ways to simulate actual strategy beyond pure memorization. Once again do military leaders teach battle with chess or a computer simulation? Which one would you want for your military? Pick one.
>>541340732>Battle fields are chaotic, chess is turned based. I don't see the correlation.most important parts of the battle happen before the shooting starts, positioning and preparation affect who gets to kill who
>>541343388But is he wrong about chess?
>>541343506Yes I agree, but I also don't always wait for my opponent to do something before I do.
>>541343526>fights Musk's battlesI find this to be exquisitely homosexual in nature
>>541342927He could've easily spun his ability (or lack thereof) as a positive.Nigga didn't play enough strategy games.
>>541343057Chess is like any sport.They say the only way to improve your game is by playing someone better than yourself. Don't play to try and be better than someone else, play to be your best self. Learn from those who can teach you, don't play against idiots for glory it makes you look retarded and jewish.
>>541343493Chess isn't exactly a battlefield simulation but we don't ignore classical literature because we live in modern times. Do we? I say we don't. There are formulas to win in a battlefield too. It doesn't mean you will always win.
>>541343689I'm not fighting his battle, I'm fighting against the emotional attachment that you all have for a game purely because "it's old and people told me I'm smart if I'm good at it," when the reality is that chess doesn't make you good at strategy only real life does. But to get a piece of it, playing an RTS is more likely to build a strategic mind. An the fact that all of you still have this emotional attachment to this means that it doesn't matter what logical points I make you will still think chess is somehow not basic and an RTS is not a better teacher of strategy when similar programs are used by modern military. As far as teaching strategy chess is inferior by many points.
>>541343260>colors are also realNothings is real, we live in a simulation. you are fake and gayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ZaiAbI8xs
>>541330932he's right starcraft>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>chess
>>541343615>but I also don't always wait for my opponent to do something before I do.in a truly realistic wargame you'd have a whole chain of command acting intelligently on your orders and communicating back and forth but that takes a lot of dedication from the participants and can only be done with live humans, in a turn based game you can simulate the level of decision making that happens inside larger command structures by just letting the players consider their options before committing into action
>>541343963The stretch to find correlation between two things that are not even the same. One is a game the other is literature. One is played with an opponent, one is read alone.
>>541333955retardtrue intellectuals grind tic tac toe
>>541344030>bro you still play chess?>KILL YOURSELF OKAY??? I'M FUCKING SMART
>>541330932Puzzlefags aren't smart, people who deal with real world issues and come up with real solutions for real problems are .
>>541331467Being born with a diamond spoon in your mouth doesnt make you smart.Any person advocating for pajeets should be sent to live in india for a month over how retarded they come off as.
>>541344109Militaries do this with computer simulations, and live action wargames. Using a turn based game to teach strategy only limits ones ability to critically think on the fly and make snap decisions from an outcome that cannot possibly be expected.
>>541344159Tic tac toe is for plebs and slaves, real geniuses play "got your nose"
>>541344055>Nothings is realthat's the most retarded statement I have ever heard. makes no fucking sense lol
>>541344154Yeah, reading only effects yourself. It has nothing to do with the outside world.You are right. There was no correlation.
>>541344306Am I not, prove me wrong.
>>541331242So many comments and not one reminisced about Terry. RIP you king. He was completely correct on this too. It's peak midwit to add entertainment to your game and only serves to distract from the core mechanics.
>>541344368I know this is trying to be sarcasm, but you actually played yourself. Well said.
>>541330932It's a long list of moves you just learn. The 8x8 grid is another factor, but a minor one. The game "go" on the other side... Hm.
>>541344333in the absolute IRL is the best possible strategy game. you cannot outmatch the complexity of it. you'd need an even more complex world which would require logically impossible hardware to simulate. so you can always say a real war is the best possible strategy game, takes the piss on anything elseso you are the most alpha strategy game player if you're actually running a real war. which gets kinda weird
>>541344333>Using a turn based game to teach strategy only limits ones ability to critically think on the fly and make snap decisionsthats unrealistic when you're commanding several millions of troops over thousand kilometer front you don't make snap decisions, you have experienced professionals to delegate tasks to in reality, those must be abstracted into the rules if they don't exist
>>541344382I did a few times already. not a challenge anymore desu
>>541344543>long list of movesOpenings are just the beginning to chess. All the most common ones take a weekend to learn desu.
>>541331085https://youtu.be/w62JAxH4d8E
>>541344545I said that yes, I also said that compared to chess a computer simulation is closer to reality than chess, which it is. Obviously we can't have the real thing, so why do we pretend that the simplest form is more than just a starting point.
>>541344356frog eats slug, I win
>>541330932He is right. Playing chess isn't strategy, it is memorization. The people who "solve" rubics cubes are the same way. They're not spinning out possibilities like A Beautiful Mind, they just memorized it.Sure, memorization is impressive, but STFU about grandmaster strategist.
>>541341938How much smaller?
>>541342480Literally nothing is more pathetic than that saga
>>541330932he's such a fucking faggot, imagine being a multi billionaire and still answering some NPC questions on social media like a retard
>>541330932Jason Arday answer.
>>541344631You made some points, I refuted them, you made more weak ones. You spent a few not even understanding what the argument was about, your reading comprehension somehow linked Elon's personality to the logical statements he made. I get it that English may not be your first language but "Nu vorbesc limba română"
>>541344771>it's memorizedDid you also get cucked by being asked to learn one of 10 openings and never got to the stage of playing the game?
>>541330932based zephon 4x enjoyer
>>541343526Chess had the mystique of being for really smart people in the Cold War. People hyped up chess players as having IQ of 180 or 200....etc. But the reality is far different, very dumb people can be excellent at chess. Chess masters like Vishy Anand have an IQ in the 80's. Guys like Hikaru Nakamura and Magnus Carlsen have stripped away all the upper class respectability and turned it into a low class pugnacious game filled with drinking, drama, and "callouts" of other players....etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeKySxk0EzkThe truth is, apes do spatial-recognition way better than humans. It's not a matter of intelligence, quite the reverse; humans have a bunch of extra processing layered on top which makes tasks like that more difficult. An ape can instantly count the number of cards dropped on the floor, or memorize long sequences, because they don't have extra processing confusing the matter. You yourself can gain that level of acuity by passing an electric current through your brain and shutting off a portion of it. Suddenly you can add up all the numbers on 100 dice dropped on the floor, instantly. This is probably what happens in chess. These guys need a bit of ape-brain to see the patterns and all combinations in as brief a time as possible.
>>541344706>enjoys getting lucky and passing it as skillhence the restrictions.but yeah I get it you want the freedom of finding something nobody did before and use that to your advantage. that's cute, but that's nerd low spine behavior. true alphas handicap themselves to make a point. which is what chess is, restricted game. less about getting lucky and more about pure strategy and using a limited set of moves spanned over a certain period to win the game. not about inventing drones and sitting safely in your bunker while blowing the opponent up. that's weak. it helps you win for sure, but is weak. strong characters do not settle for that, in a game. maybe in reality for survival and shit yeah. again, all of this is self snitching
Last time I played chess I won. I was in the NH Mental Hospital where they filmed "One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest." The guy was the chess master of male wing. I beat him. He wanted a rematch. I said NFW.
>>541344888logical statements aren't always pertinent. they are true in the abstract. also failed logically a few times. that tends to happen when you are working with the wrong assumptions that you somehow declare as being true, for some fucking reason.
>>541345034Do you not live in reality? Is luck this mysterious thing to you? Or is it random chance that happens to benefit you? Does that not happen in battle? Once again chess is not a good teacher of actual strategy and you are proof.
>>541344741Nigger beats women
actual tournament game i played as a teenager. opponent went apoplectic and his coach comes over and explains it’s a well known trap. he tells his coach to STFU. i tell him it’s a well known trap my coach taught me the week before. tells me I’m a liar. my coach comes over to confirm. tells my coach he’s a liar too. awful chess player but what a chad.
>>541344797>how much smallerdepends on how intelligent the players are. If it's two Brazilians, chances are they will reach a board state that's never been reached before. If it's a magnus carlsen game, chances are it's going to involve cookie-cutter openings, mid-games, and mate sequences that he autistically memorized.
>>541345184>Once again chess is not a good teacher of actual strategy and you are proof.see I told you you make the wrong assumptions and build on them. I do not even play chess. so your conclusion is therefore invalid.it's too easy lol
>>541345161Go ahead and point to where "logic doesn't work" outside of humans not understanding it. Your whole life is centered around a logic machine, everything you have in this life can be explained by logic and reason. It's not my fault you cannot understand it.
>>541345184If I want to rob a bank, I will trust a chess grandmaster to make a plan over some random low elo peasant any day.
>>541345320Larry Lawton might suck at chess but he has actual robbery crew experience
>>541330932He’s 100% right.>>541331242You can only play it so many times before you have played all possible combinations of moves and scenarios. It’s an 8x8 grid, dude. 20-ish pieces. That’s great for the magic of the game, but not so great when you need something that gets harder as you get better and preferably continues challenging amd interesting you.With chess, you can only sort of get that if you frequently switch to brand new opponents. It’s simply less. It’s a cold turkey samdwhich vs some spicy asian dish.
>>541330932He's just too much of an epic gamer. I understand. You don't really appreciate chess unless you lived through the time before more engaging strategy games were developed. Also-Risk > Chess
>>541345298oh logic fails miserably if you start with the wrong assumptions. many such cases. moreso, idiots have higher chances of winning when they start with the wrong assumptions, because they can mistakenly do the right moves. someone using logic with the wrong assumptions is almost guaranteed to fail
chess originated in Indiawhy are there no jeets in this thread
Elo separates the boys from the men. It's that simple. Like standard distribution.
>>541345288Well then you the only excuse for your inability to reason is yourself, can't put the blame on your love for an old game. That might be even worse.
>>541331315Games are junk by and large but something super complex like Yu-Gi-Oh is unironically good for you to play every morning.
>>541345408The crews don't make a plan. Those are just a pawn that only know how to follow order.
>>541331085Its pretty clear they dont. They literally rely on AI to plan wars now and no self respecting RTS player would ever stoop that low.>>541331242Cool so lets just practice the card game war. Its even simpler. Thus better.>>541345272>autistically memorizedYeah this here is the fundamental problem with chess. Same reason why pro CS skills dont port to new levels or the real world.
>>541345320Yes because playing chess means you know how to rob a bank. You prove my point better than I could.
>>541330932He can't pay a jeet to play chess for him
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>>541345523I can certainly rob your house if I feel like it.
>>541345491Larry has talked a lot about considerations that go into robbery, he knows how to plan one
>>541345428That's a lot of text for saying absolutely nothing.
>>541345419Risk is a bit of a degenerate game, because your ability to win or lose depends entirely on your opponent granting you that luxury. A tilted or irrational opponent can throw your game. So a meta-game develops around how you treat other players, and you might not even play aggressively on them because you need them on your side in future matches. There are some interesting strategies, but in general I don't think it's as good as something like Starcraft.
>>541330932Elon Musk is a total fucking pseud.
>>541345553You can believe that all you want, I can see you also reject reality like most in here.
>>541345558Everyone know how to plan. Not everyone know how to make a flawless plan.
>>541331242Said a retarded, inbred that eats his mothers muff as a 'game' lmaoo
>>541340618Finally. An intelligent Romanian. Maybe the Roman’s did leave some rape babies there after all…
>>541345419This. Risk is way better.>>541345553And this is why our generals could overthrow Venezuela but not Iran.
>>541345637The battlefield started at the planning stage, not on the scene.
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>>541345586>over my head anonI kno. skill issue
>>541345708But it ends after the fight, see what I did there.
>>541345596Just like actual war. Your ally may be an enemy, and your enemy may be an ally. You have to learn to navigate them as well as the armies themselves. Geopolitics 101, the game doesnt end at the board.
>>541345769It's already end before the fight. Only an idiot fight the plan with no clear winning strategy.
>>541340618>>541345674>scamming and izzat farming is intelligentIt’s socially deleterious behavior which, when everybody engages in it, turns your society into India. This is why Indians are smug about making airline employees wheel them around in a wheelchair even though they’re perfectly capable of walking. To the Indian mind, this is a genius move and everyone else is simply dumb for not taking advantage of a high-trust system like you. No wonder Elon wants to be surrounded by jeets.
>>541345740It's a lot of feeling behind it is what I mean, but I understand your English reading comprehension is low. When you want to make logical points instead of pure speculation I can respond.
>>541337642Or, he wants to go up against a superior opponent.>>541331242Chess isn't a simplification. It's an abstraction.>>541342273RTS games teach you how to doom stack. The true art to winning every war.
>>541345860So our generals are idiots? Whats the winning strategy vis a vis Iran?
>>541345860So by your logic a good plan is undefeatable, I hope you don't lead any real men into battle.
>>541330932There are virtually infinite unique positions in chess, all of that from an 8x8 board with 32 pieces. You don't need complexity to have depth.
>>541345940I lead plenty of guild to become the rank 1 of the server in a war game.
>>541345996I said "real" men
>>541346061Gamers fought a harder war than any of your military men.
>>541346129More like the war of ,"do I jack off now or after the game?"
>>541331242Seek death
>>541346195You have never lead anyone to a real battle.
>>541331315>paradox gamesIf you want to understand how world politics actually work then yes there is nothing better then paradox games
>>541346233Untrue statement, should be obvious at this point.
>>541346274It's true enough. Judging by your broken logic.
>>541331568>Compared to go, chess is booger eating easyNot really. Go might have more overall possible moves, but each piece does exactly the same thing and is static. In one aspect, Go is definitely more complicated, but in another it's far simpler because the differing movement patterns of chess pieces and the emergent opportunities that arise out of them, as well as the asymmetric nature of the chess board itself relative to the Go board, I think makes chess a bit more impressive to master. I know Go's positioning of domains or whatever they're called, are fundamentally almost the relative equivalent of various chess pieces, but at the same time, I think Go ultimately boils down to more neatly comprehensible series of binary algorithms that are always in play no matter the stage of the game, vs chess's opening patterns which are basically gone once they're gone.
>>541344476You are too late Zsolt. See here >>541337950
>>541345769This saying comes from a chess strategy.
>>541330932Eh, it's one of the few cases where he's right. He must be serious about liking fog of war, though. I can't think of another reason why he would express his thoughts with imprecise vocabulary.
>>541346318You make a statement then don't prove, you presume that's highly logical?
