The Japanese shinkansen only works because Japan basically has a straight line very populated corridor called the Taiheiyo belt.Meanwhile China build too many train lines because of their top-down government push, and it's hilarious because the average chink can't afford riding a high speed rail to go from one part of China to the other. Only certain corridors between big cities like shang hai are actually profitable while the rest is losing big money. Western tourists will glaze the Chinese bullet train as high tech and amazing, but no one talks about how the huge train stations are almost empty lol.And most of the "high tech" stuff people worship about china are just a bunch of light bulbs strategically placed. Btw in a normal country the government would put that money so the sewage and roads in rural areas are working.I can't believe how dumb people are to fall for the china worship.
>>541366865Please don't rape anyone while you're here mutt.
>>541366865>money>chinaI'd like to see somebody call chinas debts.
>>541366939DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO THATS AGAINST MY FREEDOMS REEEEEEEEEE
>>541366865People's homes literally exist all over that area.People's businesses literally exist all over that area.
>>541367005No goy. You must take out a loan and buy a car and get car insurance and pay the gasoline jew.OP is a vpn jeet or a nigger spic in the marines
>>541366953>China goes broke>Still has an entire nation full of heavy medium and light industry plant and tooling as well as skilled individuals >America goes broke>Has nothingThe US would be Brazil tier without the USD as a global reserve and that’s going bye bye so idk have fun I guess
>>541366865>direct overlay of the chinese rail system on a map of north americalazy nigger, obviously their population distribution is way different from yours, would actually be interesting to see whatever philosophy they applied when building their rail network and how it would look taking into account the populations of various american cities and regions
>>541366974Okay, okay, but hear me out.
>>541367052Shut up moshe
>>541366865they tried in california it doesn't seem possible in today's america
>>541367204Noticed how you completely ignored how the average Chinese can't afford it. Also, there's a reason why Japan hasn't built high-speed rails that go to certain parts of the country like shikoki, even if they could.China is 100% going to collapse. They don't have people and all their industries moving to other thirdie countries.And xi jinping is a True believer
>>541366865>Only certain corridors between big cities like shang hai are actually profitable while the rest is losing big moneytrains aren't profitable in generally anywhere in the world. It's still impressive how fast they built it, and that they built a train up to tibet.
>>541367218Think of the possibilities, guys!
>>541367307America is way too spread out and a sparcely populated for high-speed rail.The ONLY exception is the northeast corridor between Washington and Boston.In Japan, we have local bus services that take you to rural stations and rural trains that connect to larger trains in big cities which connect to the high-speed rails that go to other cities in Japan. So you can basically commute to places without a car. But in America, once you take a bullet train from one place another you're still going to have to take a car and drive a few hours. It just doesn't make any sense
>>541367367Would you rather have your government spend money on impressive projects that nobody uses? Or on keeping a basic infrastructure?Remember that outside of the big shiny cities, China still looks like thisNormies are like you are proof that democracy doesn't work because the average person is stupid and impressionable
>>541367307Guess the ethnicity of the person who ran the project.
>>541367307That's nothing but a boondoggle; it was intended to create an endless stream of money for Democrats and their cronies to siphon from, just like everything else..
>>541366865US highways, which HSR would replace, lose money too. And the US has a couple straight line populated corridors (most of California, Boston -> DC) where HSR would make sense.rail is infrastructure, it's worth maintaining even if it costs the government money
>>541367442>The ONLY exception is the northeast corridor between Washington and Boston.stupid nip fuck there are many areas in America that are perfect distance and topology for high speed regional lines. Texas triangle, Florida (already in service), Chicagoland, LA to Vegas, Seattle -Portland, ohio. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. >>541367513>Would you rather have your government spend money on impressive projects that nobody uses? Or on keeping a basic infrastructure?they don't do fucking either right now
>>541366865>but no one talks about how the huge train stations are almost empty lolthis is a good thing or do you want it to be crowded like india where people are riding on roofs of trains
>>541367525*Potemkin tofu-dreg city with 50% unoccupied buildings
>>541367316>Noticed how you completely ignored how the average Chinese can't afford it.source this claim NIGGA
>>541366865Every time I walk into the mall, I laugh at how they were dumb enough to fill the interior with free escalators, elevators, restrooms, benches, and other fixtures that could never turn a profit.
>>541366953>>541367139>onlyfans contributes to GDP>selling used items on ebay contributes to GDP>military spending contributes to GDPthese retards never understand that GDP is a gay kike metric and even if it wasn't, they'll ignore that the US is 130% debt to GDP and manufactures nothing.
>>541367828Using the figures we've been discussing:1. National median annual income¥36,231/year2. Convert to monthly income¥36,231 ÷ 12 = ¥3,019.25/month3. Convert to working-day incomeAssume 250 working days/year:¥36,231 ÷ 250 = ¥144.92 per working day4. Guangzhou Shanghai HSR ticketAssume a ¥900 second-class ticket.5. Calculate days of work¥900 ÷ ¥144.92 = 6.21 working daysResult¥36,231/year ¥144.92 per working day ¥900 train ticket 6.21 working daysBtw I can go from Osaka to Tokyo with one day wage easily.AND consider the chinese rail are heavily subsidized or they're actually discount tickets running on red
>>541366865>Only certain corridors between big cities like shang hai are actually profitable while the rest is losing big moneyMeanwhile amtrak has never turned a profit (yes i know you are a vpn american)
>>541367316>all their industries moving to other thirdie countries. Lol!So by this logic America should have collapsed 50 years ago. China is exporting capital i.e. exporting production to countries with cheaper labour. This is a sign that the chinese have high wages.
>>541366865China is retarded for building as much HSR as they did because only 15% of it is economically viable. Their main line from Bejing to Shanghai is cool I guess.In the US we build airports and travel by plane, which mogs trains....... but hey to each their own.
>>541368237>Guangzhou Shanghai HSR ticketAccording to this website: https://www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/shanghai-guangzhou-highspeed.htmYou can buy an overnight sleeper train ticket for CNY 474 - 480, divide 474 by your number that makes about 3.21 working days, which I'd say is pretty fair for the huge distance you're covering (1,438 km), Japan is ~3,000 km end to end btw
>>541368237>Comparing Guangzhou-Shanghai to Tokyo-OsakaOne is 1790km long, the other is 515km, over triple the distance, what a shit comparison. Is Chinese HSR more expensive than Japan compared to income? Sure. Yet it is clearly not unaffordable since literally billions of trips are made yearly.>but muh it’s not making le profitPublic transport is not meant to be for extracting profits from the public. Also, it doesn’t need to be profitable in itself to be profitable overall for the nation. Countless man hours, litres of diesel/petrol/avgas, maintenance on ancient tech, etc wasted that now are not. Also, it means their main public transport is no longer reliant on oil.Also you have to go back David kun
>>541366865who wants to catch trains with niggers tho
>>541366865They should have wisely invested in aircraft carriers for bombing school girls like a civilized country
>>541367204>would actually be interesting to see whatever philosophy they applied when building their rail networkThe have old trains doing routes in the mountains to this day.This is because old slow trains are suitable for mountain rocks, many sharp turns, only small villages dispersed here and there, so they apply common sense, this area has farmers who need to bring goods to the markets, but they don't need hyper modern trains, so slow engines are fine.Then they have big population centers of +10 million each, they obviously connect these with highspeed rail.They also have backup diesel trains, just in case the Mutts and Japs attack their electric power plants.Basically they have a use case for each level of the technology.
>hypothetical world where USA is controlled by China>California still doesn't have a functional rail system
>>541367316>the average Chinese can't afford it.Nah, actually China used to have unwritten laws, if the farmers were too poor to pay 1 yuan, the train conductor would allow them to ride to the market for free.There is nobody in China who cannot afford transportation.
>>541369697>>541369209The problem with socialism is that when the central government collects all your money and tries to create a a benefit-based system out of it, it's much easier to pour money into centralized cities because the infrastructure is shared by everybody else. But if you're a free-spirited American like me that wants to have their own homestead, their government's basically stealing your money to build infrastructure that you'll basically never ever use. It's tyranny
>>541369795>government collects all your moneyThe trains are paid by all the international corporations who do business in China's market.Of course it's going to make you buttmad.Faggot.
>>541366865You forgot to mention their trains aren't high speed and have no air conditioning or air flow so chinks are literally dying inside them.
>>541368677>In the US we build airportsFuel costs are up, Mutt.
>>541366865>Ch-china is wasting money on twainsAnd yet we're the ones who are going to default on our debt in a decade with a debt to GDP ratio above 130%
>>541370527Well their trains are a waste, retard.
>>541366865And Chinese HSR only works because it's government subsidized.What's your point? HSR is dumb to begin with due to cost. More efficient to have budget airliners.
>>541370583Cool, so is our entire military, 80% of our state department, our education system, and subsidies to agriculture and tech industries. I'd consider wasting money on trains such a minor issue as to be wholly irrelevant.
>>541370672You forgot the big ones that never gets touched because old fuckers vote more than any other group. SS and Medicare.
>>541366865Is this the only way to kill indians?
>>541370646>More efficientAirplane fuel is less efficient.>>541370583>their trains are a wasteThis is because you are a kike who wish you could profit from their trains.Instead the trains merely bring people from point A to point B, and no kike CEO is hauling in cash, hence you think it's a wasted opportunity, it comes directly from your kike DNA, so you can't help it. Don't worry, it's very normal that I know more about you than you know yourself.But in reality the many local businesses at point B benefitted from the train.
>>541366865>IF you did, you would do it exactly like this and it would look like thisThanks
>>541369209>Public transport is not meant to be for extracting profits from the publicYeah retard, but if you dont even have enough people using a line to pay for itself, then what the fuck is the point of running it? "Economically feasible" means that it will pay for itself, if it will that is a market signal that it is a good thing, a valuable and necessary thing. If not enough people see value in it to pay for it, what makes you think its worthwhile to create to begin with? So you can brag on Korean basketweaving forums that your country built a bunch of under utilized infrastructure to 'own the Capitalists' ?You can run empty trains all night, it doesnt mean you should. I know you are a stupid chinkbug on an AUS VPN so you probably dont understand the concept. But if you build out HSR and its not economically feasible, that money could have been better spent elsewhere. If people arent using it anywhere near capacity, then what the fuck was the point of building it? Do you need something that people arent going to use?This is the problem with the Chinkbug brain you built out the HSR way past where it should go, do you think that impresses foreigners? Your own people wont use it to the point of funding its own operation........next time just pay people to dig holes and then fill them back in, at least then you wont waste the building materials and start incurring maintenance costs for no reason LMAO
>>541366865>nothing in CAFitting.
>>541371113>This is the problem with the Chinkbug brain you built out the HSR way past where it should goTheir cities expand all the time.They are not stagnant like you.Your civilisation is dying, their civilisation is being remodelled all the time.
>>541371256>85% of our track by distance is economically unfeasible>We are building it out ahead of time so when we finally need it, it will be there !LOL OK Chang, sure thing little guy.As far us us being stagnant we already have a highly developed rail system that is over100yrs old. We are past rail now bud, we have a highly dense network of paved roads from the Federal to municipal level and an already built out airport network that we started on like 70yrs ago, its modular and expandable.Just keep coping with your little toy electric track technology there bud LOL
>>541370773>Airplane fuel is less efficientBut not the overall cost of the operation dumb dumb. The upkeep of the infrastructure for an HSR network dwarfs the cost of HSR. Plus HSR moves slower anyways.>tftpStop being a loser shill
>>541371612dwarfs the cost of planes*
>>541371557>economically unfeasibleGetting people from point A to point B in the cheapest way for the person will actually stimulate the local economy at point B.The cheaper the train ticket is, the more often you encourage this economic stimulus.>>541371612>But not the overall costYes, the overall costs makes it so many of your airlines are shutting down globally right now as we speak, Mutt.
>>541371557>we already have a highly developed rail system that is over100yrs oldLMAO @ muttmerica
>>541366865Lazy ass Japan slapping China's rail map on top of America. Gulf of Mexico got high speed rail lines to some fucking oil rigs or some shit.Shamefur dispray. Commit sudoku.
>>541371557>We are past rail now bud,Your rocket is just a means to deploy your troops and invade Asia.It's not an actual civilian minded project.
>build infrastructure to facilitate economic activity>this is somehow bad because it isn't directly profitablewow I cannot believe amerikkka wasted all of that money on the interstate highway project
>>541366865This mutt slave cope is rather pathetic and dilutedI'd have raw mutt cope over this any time
>>541366865transportation availability shapes urbanism, not the other way round
>>541366865It has to do with how their airspace rules work that make direct flight between city A and B impossible without taking some extremely convoluted detours. You're 100% correct that many of the lines aren't exactly optimal for use by everyday citizens and wouldn't make sense with Japan Rails model of integrating land use and retail within each station to subsidize the operations of the network and make the land more valuable simultaneously.True. China is overpowered industrially. It’s like they learned everything from the Economic Shock Therapy of former Warsaw Pact (decided that was dogshit), learned from Korea and Japan, and internal experiences. They came to a synthesis where key input industries like steel, defense, chemicals, petrochemicals, minerals, finance, telecoms, utilities, and machine tools remain State owned Enterprises.Then they took that central planning capacity for infrastructure to create vertically integrated supply chains that less vital sectors could build off of.So instead of mass deindustrialization and unemployment it provides a platform for further economic growth with cheap inputs. Westerners, Africa, India, and other Asian countries can’t compete with it. Their labor isn’t even cheap by global standards anymore it’s just they have everything so perfectly integrated. It’s what happens when you have much of the government made up of by engineers. It’s amazing.Tbf Japan and Korea already have fairly vertically integrated industry and pretty logical planning within a Capitalist system, but they also just don't have the natural resources and people that China does. I still think Japan, Korea, and the Republic of China have other things going for them. I'd love to hear your input JapanAnon if there is anything I overlooked. Subsidies or whatever excuses Americans make up why Japan, Korea, and the Republic of China can build actually build stuff and America can't explain everything. Asia just plans better.
>>541371661Well nothing in the US can be budget anything. That's just our sad reality. I don't see any European Airlines going under, but feel free to correct me if you aren't just spouting bullshit.Doesn't escape the fact that HSR is not feasible unless it's subsidized. Actual rail is great and cheap though. Just not fast enough for large countries to enjoy as a means of transport when planes are an option.
>>541366865>All aboard the Nigger Express!
>>541371113Your brain is so fucking retarded that you think the only benefit to the economy from these trains to the economy are the fees from the customers?
>>541371902She's just taking a nap next to her pet rat you weirdo
>>541371711Kek rails are more crooked than than my flacid dick.
For the 999999th timePlanes > TrainsSimple as
>>541366939fpbp
>>541369795>>But if you're a free-spirited American like me that wants to have their own homestead, their government's basically stealing your money to build infrastructure that you'll basically never ever use. >It's tyrannycompared to the money used to export jeets and the woke shit? i'll take trains any day.pic rel, some fresh embezzlement from the free nation of the world
>>541366865No !It is because USA is mentally and literally Piracy Based nation!You are NOT able to Build ! You just Raid, Pillage and Murder!But this era is OVER!There is Pirates Hunters Flotilla on Horizon !!!
>>541371878>I don't see any European Airlines going under,We are talking about USA, no?Eurotards subsidise their airlines, SAS has been in trouble for decades for example.>Doesn't escape the fact that HSR is not feasible unless it's subsidizedSee>>541371661Getting people from point A to point B in the cheapest way for the person will actually stimulate the local economy at point B.The cheaper the train ticket is, the more often you encourage this economic stimulus.
>>541366865Cars are an integral part of the American lifestyle. Deport all chinks if they don't like it.
>>541367005Population density is the new per capita, it seems
>>541372165>We are talking the USA, no?No, we were talking in general.And yes, connecting areas where people live improves the economic productivity. But that still ignores that there are cheaper ways to accomplish this.I'm not knocking the fact that it's subsidized, I'm just knocking the idea that it's a prime investment over alternatives.I need to stop replying to meme flags man...
>>541372251>But that still ignores that there are cheaper ways to accomplish this.Not in terms of mass transport.Eurotards litterally couldn't afford their airplanes if their governments didn't subsidise them.
>>541371661What really makes Japan Rail profitable is they use the land nearby stations and right of way to develop apartments and retail space. Japan is still ridiculously clean and crime free compared to the west. So these orderly public spaces despite an aging demographic do wonders to generate revenue for the rail system.China is smart and implements a similar system but the goal is more political and has to do with the number of people and how restricted their airspace is to where air travel is just not the best way to get around much of China.>>541372185It'd be cool if America would learn from multiple systems. Have an autobahn with high speed rail in metro corridors that have the majority of the countries economic activity.
>>541372107lmao
>>541372340Define “straight”
>>541366865Railways are easy to target. Mohammed would love it if we had high speed rail carrying Americans around. That's why the overwhelming majority of our railways are for freight. We're somehow getting around over vast distances with the archaic technology in pic related.
>>541372300>and has to do with the number of peopleIt's also cultural.Every Chinese new year, the whole billion+ population travel home to their head of family households.Airplanes would not be suitable.
>>541372300Well with this economy zoomers will probably rely on public transit. They will miss out as a teenager owning their first car. An American rite of passage.
>>541366865What your capitalist cum soaked brain cannot grasp is that those trains don't exist for profit. They exist to provide a service that people need
>>541366865>Quality public transport >niggersThe burgers can choose only one
>>541372393A direct path between two points in spaceWhy you asking?
>>541366939Bodied that freak
>clueless dumb white guy thinks he's an expertwill never stop being amusing
>>541372635Just charge $50 per ticket
>>541370082It Is cracked Facade It not meant to Carry weight it meant to insulate!You as Australian laugh because You have no clue about this Technology!But It is on all Modern Buildings all Over Europe!From Germany to Russia!!!You Know We Have Winters same as in China !Next time if you Have no clue what is on Image do not Post !You risk looking like Completely RETARDED WHITE NIGGER!!!
>>541372727kys lying wumao
>>541372251Planes are a good way to fly across the country, but trains are a better for most people travelling within their state or to the next state over. And besides that, trains are good at getting people to and from places that don't have airports.
>>541366865>Btw in a normal country the government would put that money so the sewage and roads in rural areas are working.In the USA they give it to Israel
>>541366865Unlike you they can afford it muttbro. Time to accept the fact you're now irrelevant like spain italy and greece. It's over.
>>541366865why is the government building high speed rail a bad thing?why does infrastructure always have to be profitable instead of useful?
>>541368677>In the US we build airports and travel by plane, which mogs trainsthis nigger likes getting fingered by the TSA, mfw
Arguably, I think Americas obsession with interregional high speed rail is kind of stupid given most people just don't commute daily to entire different regions on a daily basis other than truckers.There is zero reason why all the HSR systems have to connect to each other. Implementing metro area subway systems would make a million times more sense.>>541371878>>541367005Use military power and jurisdiction to force both through. The military can often just choose to ignore environmental laws and zoning. Put it under the Army Corp of Engineers like the dams. Have all the engineering in house and maintain that capability. The Army Corp of Engineers literally flooded entire small towns along rivers and nobody could challenge it. They said relocate or die.
>>541372793You ARE officially RETARDED WHITE NIGGER!https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lNEjPZ2zILw?feature=share
>>541366865Okay rajeesh. When are you going back home?
>>541366939Why not? Someone has to show you shrimp dicked slant eyed pussies women what a real cock looks like.
>>541372659I think committing crime on public transit should be a felony and that they should be banned for life. We have to prioritize people with jobs and money to make this system actually work. It can't just be a rolling homeless shelter.
>>541373155Fiber glass net and 3mm of cement stucco cover whole postyrenne panels!But You Australian Retard Have no clue so you show all people here How stupid you Are!!!Awesome Achievement !!!RETARD!!!
>>541373028Lol I member this female pilot crash.
>>541373223Like niggers did to your women?
>>541366939Pulverized that Gonzalez
>>541372042this. railways are just like roads, they would be necessary even if they produced only costs.
