UK says Russia can keep land that it wins.
That's the right approach. Make a clear deal that says Russia can keep some of the east of ukraine but that there must be a firm border to ensure the security of 'western ukraine' + other guarantees
>>541368092Yeah pretty obvious
Good thing Ukraine's not a real country, or this loss of territory would actually mean something.
>>541368092fcuking Brits prevented a peace deal right at the beginning of the war
>>541368092So then Russia will have no desire to make a peace deal while they're still moving forward, congrats Andy
>>541368187>That's the right approach. Make a clear deal that says Russia can keep some of the east of ukraine but that there must be a firm border to ensure the security of 'western ukraine' + other guaranteesThis could have been done in the late 2021/early 2022 diplomatic attempts BEFORE the war started and however many hundreds of thousands/millions of Slavs died. As well as hundreds of billions of dollars spent by various countries and the economic consequences of the sanctions and all that.Was it worth it just to end up with an outcome that could have simply been negotiated from the start?
Why does Russia care what UK says?
>>541368092>UK saysThis isn't the early 20th century no one cares what UK says
>>541368092They're still gaining more clay from Ukraine they lost recently two big cities Odessa blockades and November Ukraine is going have brutal winter
>>541368216>>541368092The movie, Terminator 2, is older than "Ukraine" the country.The word "Ukraine" means "borderlands". There was never a country of Ukraine until 35 years ago because it was always on some other country's borders like Russia or Lithuania-Poland (whatever it was called)
>>541368336They dont. All of russias economic ties are with asia now, happened real quick too. Cars for example, european car makers left, 8 weeks later those same manufacturing plants were producing chinese cars, vw and bmw dealerships were converted to mg and byd dealerships overnight. But these changes are permanent, no way back for eu companies into europe. A 150 million people market right next door is permanently lost to chinese alternatives. Xi Xinping could not have written a better scenario in his dreams
Why is the mayor of manchester telling a world leader what he can and can't do???
>>541368092The UK has no ability to tell Russia anything right now. They're a second rate nation with a third rate military. Plus all the stuff they HAD already got blown up in Ukraine and they have no way to replace it. They're cooked. They don't even have a Navy anymore.
>>541368631Sure thing buddy, but with that logic Mongolia has more right to claim Ukraine, you know, Crimean Khanate has the word Khan in it...
Just give them the donbas and tell them to fuck off from the rest.Then spend the next decade undermining and subverting them from the inside until they finally collapse. That's the true strat.
Russia withrew ambassador to UK, this is how little we care about what small britain has to say.
>>541368696Nobody needs a market of subhumans who earn 300€ a month.
>>541368696absolutely correct
>>541368631And America was the name of an Italian map maker. You are forever mogged by the Italian bvll
>>541368187some is not an attractive word.
Fuck that paki lover, hang him for the 250k children he pimped out
>>541368333that would set a bad precedent. also there is no telling russia would only stop at the eastern areas of ukraine if it was simply handed over without any battle
>>541368370>This isn't the early 20th century no one cares what UK saysGood point. Everything the UK ever did should be retroactively rescinded and nullified. Including the creation of your fake country.
>>541369046>that would set a bad precedent.You already set the precedent for a negotiated handover of territory without war back in 1997 when you handed Hong Kong over to Communist China without a fight. You circled the wagons when it came to Danzig and the Falklands though.
>>541369046Then all these dead Slavs are worth it to teach Putin a lesson, right? What if you didn’t do a color revolution in Ukraine, then there would be no conflict, or is that unacceptable?
>>541368333The bet was that Putin wouldn't do a damn thing just like after the Minsk agreements. It was all just an attempt to demonstrate the power of US and the EU and it didn't really end well. "We're going to support literal Nazis in Ukraine and you won't be able to do a damn thing about it because otherwise we'll destroy your country". And while that isn't the entire reason, it led to the crisis in the West that we're seeing now, it literally showed that the US isn't all-powerful and has a ton of its own problems, and can't be bothered to deal with random shitholes that they promised to support, while EU and NATO can't do a damn thing on their own.>>541369046Yeah. Europe and the EU literally considered Russia an enemy even before it had done anything. Even in the 90s when Russia was still reaching out to Europe, there was already talk about its dismemberment and NATO expansion. Peace is impossible because one side still sees the other as the enemy even when the other side literally couldn't feed itself and had completely surrendered. The only way forward according to the West is the complete destruction of Russia even more so than it was with the Soviet Union.>>541369208The difference is that this wasn't Russia. These people would be more likely to try to negotiate with actual Islamic terrorists than with Russians.
>>541369208I'm talking about Russia and Ukraine, not China and Hong Kong. Totally different thing
>>541369236>Then all these dead Slavs are worth it to teach Putin a lesson, right?it's not for me to say, but I suppose Putin views it was worth it to get some of Ukraine, and Zelensky sees it as worth it to keep as much of Ukraine as possible
>>541368631I was playing Super Mario 3 before there was ever such a thing as a "Russia"
>>541369208Hong Kong was rented to Britain so of course they had to return it. If China came knocking with an army it'd be Britain in the wrong.
>UK recognizes realityI'm shocked, shocked I say!
>>541368092Good. I hope Russia annexes all of the Ukraine. Better than my tax dollars going to rebuild a corrupt, war-torn shithole.
>>541368336why does anyone care what the UK says?
>>541368187Maybe I'm a little confused on this one but what the fuck does the UK have to do with the conflict?
>>541369722noone doesunfortunately Ukraine did at the beginning of the war, instead of settling for a deal with Russiathe Uk basically destroyed the Ukraine with thatand noone will give a fuckthat shithole gets away with evveything, because they control the newspapers
>>541369404Yes and no. The New Territories, New Kowloon, and the Outlying islands were leased. Hong Kong Island, Southern Kowloon, and Stonecutters island were ceded to Britain in perpetuity. The issue was Hong Kong public works such as 99% of the water supply reservoirs were inside the leased territories. Also much of their water came from Guangdong Providence. None of this is true for the Ukraine at all. None of Ukraine was leased from Russia and ukraines water wasn’t supplied by Russia. Keeping ceded Hong Kong without these public works wasn’t feasible.
>>541368092>UK says>>541368187NO! Your approach means fucking inbred pedos are lying when preparing new war crime attacks against Russian civilians.The right approach would be:1:stop bombing Russia.2:retreat from NATO occupated Ukraine3: pretend you was never there nor support it.4:initiate surrender to Russians.
>>541368370This. Zelensky is right about goyim.
>>541368092Have fun trying to get that land back from Russia without NATO boots on the ground.
>>541369242It’s illegal to annex territory through war and a violation of the Russian Federations treaty with Ukraine to respect its territorial integrity in exchange for nuclear disarmament. The US was also party to this agreement.Ukraine wasn’t a NATO candidate country and simply wished to realign economically with the EU. It’s against international law to annex territory from another country regardless of internal revolution. NATO is a defensive alliance and Ziggers wouldn’t have to worry about it if they respected their neighbors territorial integrity. Ukraine isn’t a part of Russia. It doesn’t matter if ethnic Russians live inside Ukraine. >>541368216>>5413692361.5 million and growing dead Russians means combined with a destroyed Black Sea fleet, crippled refining capacity, and depleted armory and tank stockpile is definitely worth something. It saves money for NATO not having to worry about Ziggers for another decade. >>541369893That’s basically the message but honestly it’s just bullshit because Russia isn’t going to nuke the west or they would’ve already. They already have blown up factories, shopping malls, arms depots, etc dating to before the 2014 Crimean War within NATO territory. They routinely violate NATO airspace by flying fighter jets into its airspace. Russia could’ve just continued to modernize like pre 2014 Russia and build relationships with the west and former Soviet states on the basis it wouldn’t sperg out and annex it neighbors.
>>541369728supplying money + intel + weapons to ukraine and being one of their biggest supporters
>>541370120*russian casualties not dead my bad
>>541370138So basically we have nothing to do with it but have chosen to get ourselves involved and make ourselves a valid target for attacks?
>>541368092Why are Anglos so concerned about what happens in the Ukraine? They're acting like they still have an empire and aren't just a pathetic island police state.
>>541368219There literally was no 'deal' or agreement that was about to be signed. Boris was a Russia hawk but he did not mess up a deal that was almost finalised or something
You keep what you kill
>>541370223It's about who has primacy over Europe. It will be either NATO or Russia, so you kind of have to pick one. Not you, but the people running geopolitics do.It's kind of like South America or South East Asia and East Asia during the cold war
>>541370120Well I do not see NATO going to do anything besides sending weapons. If Trump won't send troops to Ukraine the others wont.
>>541370318No it's all just schizophrenic politicians who think Russia is trying to take over the world and have no idea the conflict was started by the US overthrowing the Ukrainian government to install a puppet.
>>541368092Yeah that's how it usually works. Funny to see these euro nations try to juggle their stance on ukraine with US attacks on Iran.
>>541370270lying british nigger
>>541368092they did't learn anything from chamberlain huh
>>541370247>Whyjoos
>>541370400it's moresecurity services want NATO primacy -> brief dumb politicians that russia is going to take over the world if we don't stop them -> they believe it and become russia hawkssec. services are not totally wrong though. either NATO dominates Europe or Russia/China does
>>541370406Yeah because the attack on Iran has no achievable goals and is completely delusional
They're insane. This needs to stop, Europe is run by crazy people.
>>541370598Russia is poor. China will dominate Europe and Asia.
>>541371094There is an achievable goal in Ukraine. Stabilizing the situation and making Russia unable to do anything for the next 10-15 years. The Iran war doesn’t even have an achievable goal.
>>541371155The only goal of the Ukraine war is to end the Ukraine war. Just end the war, re-establish relations. That's what "winning" looks like. They genuinely believe there's some kind of battlefield victory where Ukraine somehow conquers back its territory. It's just insane, delusional. The leaders pushing this need to be removed.
>>541368092proof again that the fucking eu tyrants are bloodthirstythey're literally asking rusgolians to kill all the jewtrannyans they need to kill, and that they'll ensure the bloodbath will last till thendemonic, really: fucking molochist sodomites, even
>>541371126True. China is overpowered industrially. It’s like they learned everything from the Economic Shock Therapy of former Warsaw Pact (decided that was dogshit), learned from Korea and Japan, and internal experiences. They came to a synthesis where key input industries like steel, defense, chemicals, petrochemicals, minerals, finance, telecoms, utilities, and machine tools remain State owned Enterprises. Then they took that central planning capacity for infrastructure to create vertically integrated supply chains that less vital sectors could build off of.So instead of mass deindustrialization and unemployment it provides a platform for further economic growth with cheap inputs. Westerners, Africa, India, and other Asian countries can’t compete with it. Their labor isn’t even cheap by global standards anymore it’s just they have everything so perfectly integrated. It’s what happens when you have much of the government made up of by engineers. It’s amazing.
>>541370142even with your correction the figure is likely highly exaggerated
>>541368791And yet the US need royal marines to bail them out of every war they start.Funny how that works mate
>>541371155The goal in Iran is to make a deal. Yet Mr. Dealmaker in chief can't even stop himself from altering deals after the fact like a disengenuous Jeet.
>>541371266Yeah stabilizing it to prevent much more catastrophic territorial losses. I’m not that delusional unless the west wants to get directly involved which would interfere with the Pivot to Asia Strategy.
>>541369728>what the fuck does the UK have to do with the conflict?money laundering schemes and kids to rape for the pedoking chuckysame as all countries tyrannized by the fucking eu, reallyreminder you only left it because it somehow wasn't dystopic enough yet for you
>>541368219What peace deal, Hans? Icwasn't aware of any peace deals. Russia has been demanding whole of Donbass from day one. Why would hohols ever agree to it if they can fight for it. Russia still isn't control of it r years later.
I pray the lord that retard Putin crosses EU borders so he gets clapped the right way instead of this half assed proxy war bullshit Let the gloves come off i beg you wake up you stupid fucking bear
>>541371322There is no deal to be made. The US government killed his dad. They injured him severely. The US won’t even honor its trade agreements or territorial integrity (Greenland or Canada) with its own long time allies and partners. Trump unilaterally broke the previous Iran agreement. There is zero incentive for Iran to give up now when they’re so close and after all they’ve been through it just proves they need a nuke. The US has either killed or through its actions sidelined any moderating influence within Iran.
>>541371322At the very least a ceasefire won’t happen until the midterms and a more long term settlement whatever that looks like if at all may not be possible until a new admin is in power in the US. Or Israel gets impatient like with Stuxnet but this time uses WMDS
>>541371436death to the fucking euthe traitor gallows for all fucking eunionistsand go back to the front, khazar sodomite
>>541368333If they had started here there wouldn't be tons of dead goyim to sacrifice.
>>541368092Never! Putin will never take a single inch of Ukraine!
>>541370120>It’s illegal to annex territory through war and a violation of the Russian Federations treaty with Ukraine to respect its territorial integrity in exchange for nuclear disarmament. The US was also party to this agreement.>Ukraine wasn’t a NATO candidate country and simply wished to realign economically with the EU. It’s against international law to annex territory from another country regardless of internal revolution. NATO is a defensive alliance and Ziggers wouldn’t have to worry about it if they respected their neighbors territorial integrity. Ukraine isn’t a part of Russia. It doesn’t matter if ethnic Russians live inside UkraineKek
>>541371597but he already has
>>541368092go to your containment thread faggot
>>541369840>None of Ukraine was leased from Russia
>>541368187This is what we suggested 2 years ago and you called us russian nazis.At this point however im happy to let the meat grinder continue until the Slavic ethnicity disappears entirely.
>>541369728Apparently Ukraine and Russia were kind of close to sign some agreement but Boris Johnson flew his ass to tell Zelensky he should not surrender or sign anything, that EU and UK will give the weapons, money and food and he just had to give the land and the bodies for the war until the end. Retard got scammed.
>>541370247>Why are Anglos so concerned about what happens in the Ukraine?Jews everywhere, Soros, Rothschilds, Nuland, whatever, all seem to have a vested stake in this matter. Defending Ukraine seems to be a life or death matter for them. They are willing to go all in on this.
>>541371864The history maps show nothing untrue about that statement. The dissolution treaties signed by the former Soviet Republics and subsequent treaties reaffirmed this. It’d be as stupid as saying the Republic of China, Manchuria, and Korea are rightfully Japanese. Or that Mongolia is de jure part of China. Or that Outer Manchuria including Vladivostok actually should belong to China because of some century of humiliation BS. Russia has a decade and a half of humiliation because their government was terrible. Your point?
>>541371971basically, it's a jewish civil war for the control of their native khazaria (isreal 1.0)
>>541371597>Never! Putin will never take a single inch of Ukraine!You're right. Putin won't take a single inch of Ukraine.
>>541371508>muh alliesAll of our “allies” are communist filth that wish there were enough niggers to declare purge day on whites. Look we’re just going to murder you eglin niggers soon so make peace nigger and build an immunity to bullets.
>>541368092Russia could take it all. Wtf is Timmy gonna do?
>>541368791Bro, they have the gdp per capita of Alabama. If only you knew how bad it actually is
>>541368092They also said that as soon as war ends, they will send troops to the Ukraine (what left of it). Meaning the war will not end until either Ukraine of Ukrainians end.
>>541369242>can't be bothered to deal with random shitholes that they promised to supportTrue, a better question though is whether or not we are really bound to honor the promises of previous generations or whether we are free to choose our own path.I wasnt even alive when Ukraine gave up their nukes.
>>541369728Whenever we go in and fuck a country you always follow behind for sloppy seconds.You have been our partner in crime for the entire globalist era.
>>541369728Boris Johnson unironically blocked the peace deal. The UK is one of the major backers of the war along with other European nations. Europe has a delusional fantasy of winning the ground war. I think they're completely insane. It's like tranny-tier delusions.
>>541371126This war has already reduced you to a chinese vassal, again.Russia is a case study in why white men should never allow themselves to be governed by Asians.
>>541371155What do you think the goal is in iran?
>>541372283we couldn't be arsed with VietnamAnd we couldn't be arsed with your Jew war in IranAnd look how you did on your own with those?
>>541371344The ukrainian hedge hog tactic seems to habe worked fairly well.Russia has lost over a million men, all in their youth demographic.This will have follow on effects for the demographics of russia hundreds of years.
>>541368187>>541368092That's what they've wanted for ages. To freeze the conflict and kick the can down the road
>>541371508>Citing canadian annexation jokesYou are not a serious person, therefore I refuse to consider your arguments seriously. You are nothing more than a silly clown person who makes silly clown noises.
>>541371558The midterms will have no impact on iran at all.Please stop deluding yourselves.
>>541368092to me, that's always felt like the rational position. let the best subhuman win, what do i care?
>>541372555iran will have an impact on the midterms, though
>>541372063He kinda cant though.He's trying but it isnt working.Why make threats in the middle of a fight?And why talk shit when youre getting your ass kicked?
>>541372609So?
>>541372390Unlike Iraq 2 where it was to remove Saddam and Weapons of mass destruction they couldn’t even think of a real coherent reasoning. Some admit it’s to protect Israel. Some say it’s to stop the Iranian nuclear program. That somehow leveling Iran and killing the leaders dad their former leader achieves that goal. America bombed their nuclear facilities already claimed to destroyed them last year (partially bullshit and they still have the uranium). Maybe the goal was to coordinate with the anti regime protest and Kurdish groups but that failed miserably. Regime change was a stated objective but that’s failed. Reopen the straight? There just isn’t a clear goal other than whatever Israel says unfortunately.If it was George HW Bush he might’ve been able to pull it off because HW Bush wasn’t a complete idiot. I liked how previous presidents would get super annoyed with Israel publicly but it was funny how their hands were tied.
>>541370270Boris told his fellow jew agent Z, that he was the new Churchill and to fight them on the beaches etc and never give up as daddy NATO would supply all the money and toys they need.The rest is at least a million dead Ukrainians
>>541372671things will go gayer, as we're used to by now
>>541372523It doesn’t need to be a real plan to invade Greenland or Canada to completely alienate the western bloc when America needs them most. The consistent failing to honor trumps own agreements and ripping off previous ones is a major issue. Especially the previous Iran deal.
>>541372055Europe is whiter than America Anon. I know this is hard for you to believe or accept. There is also not a single area government by Marxism-Leninism in Europe or any of the US allies. >>541372121Their system of government up until around 2000-2014 wasn't working on that stat too much.>>541372213Okay let's just make the America's word even more meaningless. Sometimes interests naturally align. Europe will take defense more seriously from now on and this gives America room to pivot.>>541372377Yeah the US might've fucked up a little bit by using China as a counterbalance to the USSR a little too much. Hindsight is 20-20.
>>541368187as a british you should be hoping for decisive russian victories, liberation by russian military is your only hope to stop the terror of the left
>>541372811Russia actually gave up quite a bit of soft power in Europe that they were previously able to get away with like how much oligarch money they had in London. I'm sure they have their methods.
>>541372801>Okay let's just make the America's word even more meaningless. Sometimes interests naturally align. Europe will take defense more seriously from now on and this gives America room to pivot.The problem with US trying to act as the world's police is that it makes absolutely no sense now. It made sense when US was on the rise and could afford it, thanks to its massive economy that had remained untouched by World War 2. It doesn't make sense to try to control some random shithole that's stuck to you because you overextended your zone of influence. Even Europe doesn't really matter much to America right now. Glowniggers are used to stirring up shit all over the world, but it's not working right now because the country is simply incapable of taking advantage of the opportunities they create. Ukraine is a good example, there’s no doubt that they started this, but it’s literally just getting in the way of foreign policy. If it weren’t for this war, US and Russia would be trying to be the best of friends in order to contain China and keep each other in check.
>>541373581Americas foreign policy is schizophrenic because every 2-4 years it changes. Jimmy Carter fucked over the Shah because the Middle East democracy meme and now we got this situation. Sometimes just like men, nations fight, and come out the side friends years down the line. Russia was a country that supported the Union side in the US Civil War and deterred an unpopular intervention from the British. Things ebb and flow. I just guarantee it'll just get wackier from here. Maybe one day interests will align again. It was pretty funny when Russia and America teamed up against Islamism during George W Bush and later on against ISIS. Or how the US and the USSR were on the same side during the Biafra conflict in Nigeria against France and Israel. Or during the Suez Crisis where they both collectively told the UK/France no this isn't happening.
>>541373581Maybe one day America and Russia will tell Israel to fuck off again.
>>541372463Delusion The losses for Ukraine are so severe they have no future without literally becoming a province of the EU.Even official figures show the population down to 20 - 30 million from 50
>>541373958Eastern Europe death wars every 100 years on nearly a ticking clock at this point. Napoleonic War, WW1, WW2, Ukraine War. Each time Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine lose a fuck ton of people.
>>541368333>This could have been done in the late 2021/early 2022 diplomatic attempts BEFORE the war startedWhat is this fucking history revisionism? Dementia? Russia's goal from the beginning has been to take ALL of Ukraine and that has never changed. All these "they might settle for the territories they're occupying right now" talks come from western politicians' mouths. Putin has NEVER even vaguely implied anything of the like, nor agreed to any offers including terms like that.
>>541373958We are out of the EU, so another Eastern Euro scrounging nation would be pretty funny, leaving the only contributors Germany and France propping up the shitholes.
>>541373958Are you aware that millions of Ukrainians moved and are still moving out of the country to escape the hostilities? They're not dead yet.
>>541369728We gave security guarantees along with the US and a bunch of EU member states in exchange for Ukraine's newly acquired soviet nuclear missiles after the collapse of the soviet union. We said we would defend them with everything in exchange for the nuclear weapons and to protect them from Russian aggression in the future. Now following this we refused to add them to NATO so we wouldn't get dragged into an article 5 defensive war so they've been NATOs buffer state ever since. And we didn't bother defending them when Crimea was taken in 2014 and instead offered vague help offers. 2022 rolls around and now Russia is going for an annexation of Donetsk and Luhansk with a secondary objective of annexing the whole country (which is likely to happen now given the mass depopulation and the west's mostly ineffectual help). Now because we're absolute cunts (including the EU and the US), we convinced them not to surrender those two provinces and we signed mineral deals/reinvestment deals with Ukraine in exchange for the help. Following this we're now heavily invested in Ukraine winning because their entire economy is about to get vultured by the UK, Germany, France and the US. This is why Trump was so pissed off when Zelensky refused to sign the first mineral deal, because he was missing out on the largest country raping since Germany after the signing of the treaty of Versailles.The reality is that the winner of this war takes all of Ukraine and the west would really like to have it instead of Russia. Ukraine basically doesn't have a choice other than which ideology they're going to follow after the war finishes.
>>541368187Lmao who are you? Who? I've never heard of you before in my life.
>>541369728Historical jew niggers before Israel and USA
