Is it possible for a country's demographics to be shaped by air conditioning? No Spanish settler would have been okay with this, even with our Southern summers. Any Arizonans here to explain if modern life is possible without mechanical cooling? Obviously not just AZ eitherThis thread intends to bring together "political" thought (settlement, demographics) and general discourse about extremely hot places
Sorry frens, imperial conversion :32C = 90F44C = 111F
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Phoenix is a monument to man's arrogance
>>541381954Where is the US’ goldilocks zone?20-35 deg C / 69-95FLow humidityYou don’t need AC for that weather
>>541382036Why would we not have AC?I’m in Texas where it is 109 today. I am enjoying my 68 degree house right now as I wake up. I’ll bump it to 73 for the day soon
>>541381954Only about 1/10 of houses here don’t have air conditioning
Here in the south its a necessity.Really, I used to date this big boobed German girl from Phoenix. She would tell me all about Phoenix heat killing people every year.
>>541381954>Spaniard is now so disconnected from history that he doesn't realize his ancestors left Spain and colonized vast parts of the hottest parts of the New World without AC
>>541381954All desert urbanism is a testament to Man's civilizational arrogance. All desert dwellings are a testament to Man's sturbborn stupidity.
>>541381954Literally every house here has AC in some capacity Without it, I would recommend drenching a towel or something, throwing it over yourself and standing in front of a fan or something to get evaporative cooling going, but you're gonna be miserable if it gets over 120f.
>>541382365On the west coast the temps are pretty mild year round. In Seattle for example most places don't have AC an it only dips below freezing a couple times a year
>>541382405Imagine if you will something happened to the electric grid, an attack, data centres using more of it, price increases to unreasonable levels. What happens then? Could you live in your house if you turned it off? I highly doubt it.
>>541382621I couldn’t.But why the hypothetical? Could you live in your house if it were on fire? What’s the point of the question? Our society and housing economy is built for everyone having AC
>>541381954It sucks. Florida does too but in a different way and parts of the Midwest have horrible summers, and then shitty winters afterwards lol
>>541382577120f / 48degC cannot be normal Isn’t that desert temps? We barely scrape those here even at the extremes
>>541382527Did you know that Spanish California had around 3000 Spanish settlers at the time of independence? Of course the Spanish were there, but one of the main reasons we never properly controlled what is now the US is that we couldn't hold an area many times the size of our country with maybe 1% of the peninsular population
>>541381954>No Spanish settler would have been okay with thisYour roman ancestry colonized the middle east and they never complained. Heavy walls that absorbed heat during the day and kept the indoor spaces cool. High ceilings so that hot air could rise and stay well above the living area. Wind towers to pull refreshing breezes down into the building, or interior courtyards with pools and gardens to circulate cooler air. Some hung wet reeds, mats, or cloths over their windows and doorways. As hot air blew through the moisture, it evaporated and significantly cooled the room.Rootless people these Americans. Our ancestors never complained just because it was a little bit hot.
>>541382684The hypothetical is because these things could (some say will) happen. I find it strange Americans prep for events and things yet when it comes to climate most just ignore it even though they’d be affected by it. The temperature is rising regardless of if it’s our fault or not and the price of electricity is going up in certain areas so to not be prepared or dismiss it seems dumb.
>>541382577Interesting, the wiki article I just read mentioned that "swamp" cooler thing. I couldn't sleep with wet sheets for the life of me, though. Much rather simply sleep outside.Then again minimum temperatures of 29C?? (85F) Jesus Christ what is that lol
>>541382365This map overlays NA with old world climate types, pretty interesting
>>541382989If you were given the choice (as settlers were), between a milder, subtropical place in the gulf of Mexico, Baja California or a higher altitude inland town, and 45C heat in a literal desert, what would *you* choose, though?Kudos to the Romans, they would probably live someplace with 45-50C daily maximums in the name of duty or die trying, but IIRC the empire at its peak ended approximately where the climate got to those extremes. Manly due to a little thing called the Parthian Empire (which all good Roman commander must fight at least once in their life), but possibly due to the unattractiveness of such climats
>>541383157Interesting .Mexico is apparently A LOT like Spain though, both in climate and appearance. My brother went there last year and half the pictures he sent could have perfectly been taken within a 10km radius of my house. Climate was generally a bit warmer than the south of Spain except for the summer maximum temperatures which were identical where he was. Must be the best climate in the world, no winter, only spring and summer.
>>541382779You wouldn't know from how modern day mestizos from Mexico rant and rave about how the entire southwest US should belong to them.
>>541381954Arizona is incredibly dry. If you're in the sade it's 20 degrees cooler.
>>541381954i think AC is one of those things we just have now and its never going away so now we can live in arizona and other places in the middle of a desert wasteland
>>541382750The great lakes will cause humid as fuck summers which kinda sucks but it’s nice having beaches that aren’t full of human trash like in Miami
This is why the Mexicans invented a little life-hack called the siesta. jews HATE siestabros because you're not slaving for Mrs. Sheinbaum's profit during a siesta. But when it's too fucking hot to do ANYTHING it's TOO FUCKING HOT to DO ANYTHING so you just take a siesta.
Where I live is often 25-35+ and very humid. Or 77-95+ Fahrenheit. I hate humidity so much more than hot itself. I hate how the air feels. It's so hot and humid you will sweat in the shade
>>541382288Does it suck there? I have a cousin hassling me to move there but I feel it's probably too hot
>>541383157>Japan and New EnglandThat... makes a surprising amount of sense. Idk why chicago is Russian taiga but hey it - well it used to snow a lot here.
>>541383792Lmao let'em rant, they're a lost case. Some of them won't shut up about how they'd be Spic Wakanda if we hadn't "stolen" their gold.
>>541384099Oh I missed the little ukraine bubbleI thought more of the Midwest might be like that with the agriculture
>>541382365california
>>541381954It's mainly the American Southeast. The humidity is so bad that without AC your home would be ruined. The areas like western texas, AZ NV etc, you can conceivably live without AC. Assuming you have some way to shade your home or have tremendous insulation. I live in the PNW and do not have AC. Summer time its usually upper 70s to mid 80s, with a few times here and there it'll get in the 90s. Usually once a year for two, three days itll get high 90s even 100+ Nothing a trip to the lake or sitting naked in front of a fan can't fix.My first year here, one night it hit 112. I had just moved in and hadn't thought to buy a fan. Wound up sleeping under my freezer. Just laid a mat on the floor in front of the fridge and opened the freezer.
>>541381954Pheonix is the hottest city on the planet though.
>>541384346>The humidity is so bad that without AC your home would be ruined.The humidity is so intense in the American south that it would mold / rot the home from the inside unless very specific materials were chosen ahead of time.
>>541381954Yes there are large parts of the US that would have significantly fewer people if not for AC
Michigan here.I’ve only had it on for a couple days this year.
>>541382989We're rootless because of the jew.
>>541381954Euros are fucking pussies. Even in New England it gets to 100F+ multiple times a year usually with high humidity and most people don't have ACIn places like Arizona where it's 100F+ all the time, it's like 5% humidity, so as long as you are not in direct sun and you drink a lot of water, it feels way more comfortable than 80F with 70% humidity because sweating is extremely effective at regulating body temp
>>541384947I literally work in a steel mill in plus 105.
>yea so what if you conquered the climate imagine what would happen if you were retarded like the rest of us
>>541383157>>541384099this map is completely and utter horseshitNew England weather is more like RussiaWashington/Oregon like France?! LOL what? Idaho gets way colder than Eastern EuropeAlberta, Montana gets way more precipitation than Mongolia
>>541383057It's hilarious to me considering this guy is from Texas where power demand is accelerating faster than any other state due to data centers/suburban growth AND their power authority has a very spotty track record. If I were him I'd invest in a cistern and a generator now before he's left in the dark with 90 degree heat and 100% humidity. Pretty sure long-term the contiguous state will turn into something like Puerto Rico or USVI.
>>541384417Someone clearly wasn't stationed in Basrah, Iraq during the Iraq war!120+ for two months straight100+ for half the year.Phoenix is baby play.
>>541383792I've seen that even in Mexico, yet they can't even control over a third of their own country.
>>541381954>1/3rd of their country without ACArizona is the fucking desert. That's only a small area of the country. Nevada is also desert. My uncle lives in Goodyear, Arizona and he loves the heat. It's always over 100. Sometimes over 110. It's a dry heat, so it's not as bad as the east coast humidity
But yeah, America is much hotter than Europe because of it's location
>>541381954Just do stuff in the morning and evening, fuck doing anything during the day because it's too hot, obvious answer but gets in the way of 9-5 wagecuckery and gbp worship so to hell with the obvious.
>>541385745Idk why retarded faggots say this. Dry heat kills people. You can say it’s not bad because you’re not dead like the others. Wet heat is just gay and retarded, reduce clothes now you’re fine. No dying.
Love the heat though. Went outside recently and it’s just lovely. Barely anybody outside though. Lovely 120 treated like it’s a space walk in some space movie or some shit or going diving. Retarded as hell just be brown or leave.
>>541386997Actually, having lived both 6 hours from Canada and 6 hours from mexico. Dry heat is pussy shit. Wet heat is like being trapped in an oven.
>>541382365Northern Dixie, MidwestPretty much anything between tennessee and ohio. Florida is an uninhabitable shithole without AC.
>>541382365California Alameda County or San Diego being perfect depending on how sunny you like it
>>541381954I'm in Texas and it's just on the cusp of too hot. You'd have to be very intentional about how and where you build your house to make it through the summer. In many places in Arizona it's simply not possible. Maybe a grown man would be fine albeit miserable, but you'd have high female and infant mortality from the heat.
>>541382621Many of us have generators, and I have a cabin with a mini split that runs on solar. But to answer the spirit of your question, no. Tons of Texans would die if the grid shut down right now.
>>541387479Actually having lived with a dick up your ass, talk about all this crap after hiking here in AZ. Sunny mid day hike, I do that with sweats on I walk for hours while staring at the sun. But you’re still alive, you don’t live here, you live in kentucky with your thong riding up your wet ass crack nice and slippery how you like it. Fucking faggot, I ain’t even white but I see the lil graves for blonde blue eyed kids here dotting the streets with their garbage. Then they talk about some other fuck ass whites in the news dying.
>>541381954>>541381954Yes we can in northern states. This isn't Mexico. Arizona is a border state. This is the crazy thing about American latitudes. Is how quickly it shifts from being a hot climate to a cold climate. Not to mention Alaska being more populated than 2 other states. Lots of cheap land there that isn't desert. Plus there are a few mountain ranges for people in southern states to escape the heat. Canadians are clustered near the US border for a reason. Where I live it rarely get's over 90 and almost no 100 degree days. No surprise it is a border state with Canada. Only had to sleep downstairs a few times in my life because it was too hot without air conditioning.
Oh wet heat is so tough I have my clothes on still and it’s all sticky uuuuuuu my body is all sticky and I can feel my asshole swimming. Uncomfortable! Meanwhile some blonde blue eyed kid just dies, dead. No complaining there. Just wanted to feel the sun.
>>541381954https://youtu.be/oaiwOV-yFPw?si=UOy8JLnaRY3HZde1
i live my life one shade at a time teehee i live my life one tool at a time use your tools at your disposal teehee actually those RAW DOGGERS were the real weak ones teehee
>>541382779It only took 50k chads who could handle the heat to claim those states. It is the people who moved after air-conditioning was invented that bitch about it. Mostly lard-asses.
>>541382405>enjoyingI live in Texas too there is nothing enjoyable about sitting in AC all day. >>541381954the answer is it was possible to live in extreme heat parts of the US, but only at population levels that were present before air conditioning. Most of those people lived on farms and ranches and it was hot but without the massive population centers it wasn't as bad and you could get through it. Land was cheap and at least in my part of Texas there were lots of cold springs and creeks and you could use those to cool off in the worst of it. It's the growth of the cities and sprawl in the sunbelt that are making it much hotter for where most of the people live but the global warming crowd will never say that.
>>541382621I'm in Texas the power goes out sometimes, central AC breaks. It's not the end of the world as long as you have some very modest preparations. My house ground level has tile floors, it stays about 80-81 F even if it's 100+ outside. Then I have several window AC units, and a small generator that can run one, that's enough to keep the house livable and to be able to sleep in one cold room.
>>541382621Sure. Open windows and take cold showers. Winter would be much harder to survive if the grid went down
>>541385516No it's accurate, during the Iraq war we were given extra bonuses for joining because we were from Phoenix.June and July can get up to 120 daily, and break in august because of the monsoons. Also +100 most of the year.
