They were a superpower 40 years ago.What went wrong?
>>541429594temporary loss of territory, they will get it back
>>541429594Croatia has always been a shithole
>>541429594Russians don't have white IQs
>>541429594they're the only nation fighting against a tier-1 military force(ukraine being supplied by the west) so that makes them the single most powerful right now. we lost to dunecoons with shitty training and old weapons despite having 21st century air force. that's just the reality.
>>541429703>welol
>>541429594>They were a superpower 40 years ago.>What went wrong?They lost all their vassals and half their citizens
>>541429703By that logic Ukraine is also the most powerful power in Europe, because they can actually halt Russia
>>541429791yes, afterall they are just miniature russia. it's like taiwan vs china... but in the end, demographics win. you can only slow the horde, not beat it.>>541429723I'm not a beaner like you zoomzoom
>>541429594wut?40 years ago Chernobyl happenedthe rusnigger monkeys couldn't even maintain a nuclear power plant!
>>541429791Ukraine has the fifth largest standing army on Earth and it is the only army other than Russia to be acclimated to the new standards of modern warfare. They probably are the strongest country in Europe right now. Even if they lose they have sunk entire Russian naval fleets without any navy of their own.
>>541429849nigger you're not american
>>541429873Poopland never even had a nuclear plant
>>541429917why not? because I said something that made you seethe? fuck off you dumbass redditfag.
>>541430022we do thoit's a glorified water heater btwbut the rusniggers are too dumb to manage even thatat least they achieved 1,488,000% of their five-year-plan in 1 second
>>541429594>wronggo back to Ukraine, Mykola.
>>541429594>What went wrong?Gorbachev
>>541429594>Fight against all of NATO >What went wrongThey seem to be doing alright
>>541429894True true
>>541429849Too bad Europe has 400 million people and Russia is losing this badly to 20 million Ukrainians. By the time they take Ukraine (they won't) they will have no people left.
>>541429594Retards who cant even do democracy. Hitler was 100% correct about the under men who are eager to be Putins paypigs. So embarrassing.
>>541429594They were a superpower because they were propped up by the anglo-kike satanists. It was never meant to be. Hivanism is the normal state of moskals
>>541431580>satanistsJust say kikes. There is no need to invoke christcuck mythology
>>541429894>they have sunk entire Russian naval fleets without any navy of their own.>theyimage believing that
>>541431643But they literally are.
>>541429594Same thing that goes wrong every single time
>>541429651russians are clearly the only white yuropoors seeing as they're the only ones to put a man in space
>>541429594>What went wrong?The Sino-Soviet split. Anyone who says anything else is retarded.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsc6-hF1WTg&t=1353shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv02AsNATAg&t=3249s
>>541430064Lol, your skin is poop colored and nothing can change that
>>541432251That isn't the Rothschild coat of arms. That image is over 500 years old. It goes back to Ivan the Great in 1462. There weren't even any Jews in Russia until it annexed Polish territory(see Pale of Settlement).https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Standard_of_the_Grand_Princes_of_Moscow_(Ivan_III).png
>>541431414Hitler cancelled democracy. And he thought it was retarded. You have no idea who the under men even were. Moron.
>>541429594Same thing currently going on in the US and EU, but to a lesser degree. Economic central planning.
>>541429894>>541431187>They probably are the strongest country in Europe right now.God I hate retards. Ukraine would collapse in five seconds without foreign aid. Hell, Ukraine would collapse in five seconds by switching off Starlink. Only those who know nothing about war think Ukraine is anything but useful-idiots and slaves ruled by a Jewish puppet government.
>>541429594No country in Europe could beat them. Prove me wrong.
>>541433091Failthuania could land in moscow in less than 2 hours.By airplane.
>>541433002>Ukraine would collapse in five seconds without foreign aid.So would the rest of Europe.>Hell, Ukraine would collapse in five seconds by switching off Starlink.it'd take at least a couple hours for Ukraine to completely collapse. Even with all the active resistance gone the minefields would take a while to clear.>Only those who know nothing about war think Ukraine is anything but useful-idiots and slaves ruled by a Jewish puppet government.The Russians are constantly telling people that the Ukrainians may be weak, but they're not to be underestimated. What the anon you're replying to said is correct, they are the second most powerful military in the world after Russia. Even though the Russians would steamroll them pretty much the instant western aid was cut off, that doesn't mean the Ukrainians couldn't turn around and steamroll most of Europe if they didn't have to deal with Russia, even without starlink.>>541429894>Ukraine has the fifth largest standing army on Earth and it is the only army other than Russia to be acclimated to the new standards of modern warfare. They probably are the strongest country in Europe right now.Have you considered that this is definitely more of a problem for Europe than Russia? Ukraine is a country full of Nazis with a completely true stab in the back narrative, and when they've participated in NATO wargames lately a company of their drone operators can beat a whole NATO tank division, and their drone manufacturing is dispersed and hidden in ways that will make it impossible to disarm them after the war. Ukrainian terrorists and gangsters are going to run roughshod over European police and calling in the military won't do much to help.
>>541433260>The Russians are constantly telling people that the Ukrainians may be weak, but they're not to be underestimated. What the anon you're replying to said is correct, they are the second most powerful military in the world after Russia. Even though the Russians would steamroll them pretty much the instant western aid was cut off, that doesn't mean the Ukrainians couldn't turn around and steamroll most of Europe if they didn't have to deal with Russia, even without starlink.If Ukraine was cut off from foreign aid and Germany was being supported in the same manner as Ukraine, Germany would absolutely crush Ukraine and it wouldn't even be close. Without western anti-air missiles, AWACS, Starlink for communications, and other intelligence, Germany would instantly gain air superiority and mow Kikerainians down like African niggers.The only thing that keeps Kikeraine in the fight is endless gibs. They couldn't even pay their slave army or the majority of their population currently on fucking pensions because everyone else left or is dead. Get fucking real.
>>541433456>If Ukraine was cut off from foreign aid and Germany was being supported in the same manner as Ukraine, Germany would absolutely crush Ukraine and it wouldn't even be close.Hardly. Ukraine and Russia have both been rapidly evolving to match one another for years on end. Germany would start from 2022.>Without western anti-air missiles, AWACS, Starlink for communications, and other intelligence, Germany would instantly gain air superiority and mow Kikerainians down like African niggers.Ukraine has been out of pretty much every type of AA for nearly a year now. Air superiority isn't as valuable as NATO thinks.
>>541433578>Ukraine and Russia have both been rapidly evolving to match one another for years on end. Germany would start from 2022.YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WAR WORKS YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER. UKRAINE DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING AND CANNOT MAKE ANYTHING. THEY AT MOST ASSEMBLE STUFF FROM IMPORTED PARTS WITH MONEY GIVEN TO THEM BY OTHER COUNTRIES. NO MONEY = NO IMPORTS = NO WEAPONS. THEY WOULD ENTER THE WAR WITH WHATEVER THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IN THEIR INVENTORY AND NOTHING ELSE. MOREOVER, THEY HAVE VIRTUALLY ZERO AIR DEFENSE BECAUSE RUSSIA HAS WIPED IT OUT. GERMANY WOULD QUICKLY KNOCK OUT UKRAINIAN COMMUNICATIONS AND WHAT REMAINS OF UKRAINIAN AIR DEFENSE AND THEN RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER THE WHOLE COUNTRY LIKE THEY WERE TOWELHEADS IN AFGHANISTAN. BUT EVEN IF UKRAINE HAD THE BEST AIR DEFENSE IN THE WORLD IT STILL WOULDN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT CAN'T REPLACE IT AND WOULD RUN OUT IN A MATTER OF WEEKS.I recently watched a youtube video about the Battle of Verdun. I don't think you fully appreciate how industrial wars work, and the sheer scale of the production/logistics necessary to keep wars going.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQaa4SfFFckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roNC2MfV7fU
>>541429594>pidor has to makes this shit at 6 amlmao @ your life
>>541433859>YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WAR WORKS YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER. UKRAINE DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING AND CANNOT MAKE ANYTHING.I really get the impression that you're the one who doesn't understand how war works. First of all, we're talking about military not economic strength right now, so we're abstracting that away in our mental models. Of course they can't make anything and of course they would need a replacement supply chain for drone components, but that's not the question at hand.>THEY AT MOST ASSEMBLE STUFF FROM IMPORTED PARTS WITH MONEY GIVEN TO THEM BY OTHER COUNTRIES.The parts are imported from China.>THEY WOULD ENTER THE WAR WITH WHATEVER THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IN THEIR INVENTORY AND NOTHING ELSE.Which would be enough to deal with an enemy which has no ability to counter even the most basic tricks in their arsenal. The current stalemate is only possible due to both sides developing alongside one another, against an opponent which has not had that process it'd be transporting a panzer division to the Somme, yeah they wouldn't be able to get resupplied, but the equipment they'd have on hand would allow them to punch straight through to the French rear and roll on up the line before that became an issue.>RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER THE WHOLE COUNTRY LIKE THEY WERE TOWELHEADS IN AFGHANISTAN.Okay, let's imagine they actually accomplish that, how does it actually win Germany the war? Would German Panzergrenadiers outmaneuver Ukrainian ground forces and destroy them? Of course not, the German armored forces would be locked down by drones and the unsupported German infantry would get picked off because they don't have drone support. Moreover you seem to subscribe to the mainstream media's fantastical imaginings of what the war in Afghanistan was like. In reality the US spent the war camping out in FOBs and only ever had even tenuous control of tiny parts of the country.
>>541429594They need a strong and murderous leader like StalinPutin is a fag who sucks oligarch's dicks
>>541429703>ukraine being supplied by the westIts more than just being supplied. The intelligence of the collective west are used to cripple russia at every corner.Whatever happens from Belgorod to fucking Vladivostok, they know immediatelly thanks to their satellites.Western media will have people believe that Ukraine if managing all their through their own spy networks, which is just a retarded narrative.
>>541429594i dunno, mayabe collapsing thrice in span of 100 years?
Once the fake and gay, "we have nuclear veapons" fear mongering wears off. They're exposed as powerless bluffers they really are.
>>541434554All you're really saying is, "Ukraine currently has more men in their Army, is using drones and NATO weapons, and has more experience using them. Therefore if they fight another Army with fewer men using the same weapons but with less experience, they should win".Let me walk you through this really quickly.1) What do you think happens if Ukraine loses access to American satellites? Not just Starlink but also reconnaissance. Ukraine essentially becomes blind. Whereas Germany would be able to see every troop movement and logistics truck/train. Without Starlink, Ukraine would struggle even to communicate. Probably relying on radio towers and cell phone networks that would be knocked out quickly with Western missiles.2) The only reason Russia doesn't have air supremacy over Ukraine already is because of Air-to-Air missiles launched from F-16's and guided either by ground-based radars, or in most cases, AWACS. If Germany was being supported by AWACS and US satellites and not Ukraine, Ukraine wouldn't even be able to fly, and wouldn't be able to stop German air power, not could they make any advances.But more importantly, Germany would be getting essentially unlimited weapons whereas Ukraine would run out of weapons and money in a matter of weeks.I think you imagine that Ukraine and Germany would basically be lining up on the border and that Ukraine would do some kind of blitzkrieg and conquer all of Germany. No. Ukraine would send a bunch of drones into Germany, make small advances for a few miles, run out of supplies, then get bombed back to the stone age.Ukraine is utterly powerless without western money and weapons. The simple reality is, any European country supported by the United States and not supported by anyone else is automatically the most powerful country in Europe.
>>541435208>All you're really saying is, "Ukraine currently has more men in their Army, is using drones and NATO weapons, and has more experience using them. Therefore if they fight another Army with fewer men using the same weapons but with less experience, they should win".Ukraine has developed tactics and doctrine which it would take years for Germany to adapt to, and they wouldn't have the time to do so. It's like if the German army from the end of WWI was transported back in time to the start of the war, they'd have easily trounced the French.>What do you think happens if Ukraine loses access to American satellites?okay, I get that you are having trouble with the concept of hypotheticals. In order to even have this conversation we need to abstract away things like politics and economics, since otherwise the fight wouldn't be able to even hypothetically happen. If Ukraine wanted to turn around and attack Germany for one thing they'd have to convince Russia to stop fighting them, which would require a political settlement that would destroy the current political order in Ukraine. So stop imposing the specific parts of reality which favor your argument and just talk apples to apples here.>The only reason Russia doesn't have air supremacy over Ukraine already is because of Air-to-Air missiles launched from F-16'sNevermind you're just retarded.
>>541429594There was no country with this flag 40 years ago. The reality was pic related
>>541434134LOL
>>541434554>The current stalemate is only possible due to both sides developing alongside one another1) There is no stalemate.2) The reason Blitzkrieg is impossible is because satellites can see your every move. Every troop movement is countered long before it reaches the front. So are logistics, ammo dumps, etc.3) Russia's advance is slowed because of millions of drones made from computer systems that Ukraine cannot make themselves, paid for by someone else.4) The German Air Force and artillery would be able to see any Ukrainian advance and knock it out. Ukraine would hide and send in drones until they ran out.5) Once Germany has air supremacy, Ukraine would simply have no option except to move to a guerilla strategy. But that's only possible if Ukrainians are actually willing to fight. And the overwhelming majority are not. Half of them have already left the country and the rest are press-ganged off the street.6) The United States took a massive shit all over Afghanistan and had the power to genocide every single Afghan male. Same with Vietnam and all the other wars we "lost". The only reason we didn't is because it would have turned the world against us.The reality is, Germany would wipe the fucking floor with Ukraine if Ukraine wasn't being supported. The idea that Ukraine is powerful is just western propaganda nonsense to keep Ukraine fighting to the last white Christian male.
>>541435457>Ukraine has developed tactics and doctrine which it would take years for Germany to adapt toTHEY WEAPON RUN OUT OF WEAPONS IN TWO WEEKS YOU STUPID NIGGER. HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF.The only reason Russia can fight this war is because they have almost unlimited resources. The German Army, if it wasn't being supported, would have the same problem as Ukraine. They have enough weapons for a short war then they're fucked. Only Russia and America really have the resources, the manpower, and the industrial base to win an industrial war. China has the manpower and the industry but not the resources. Ukraine neither has resources, nor industry, nor manpower. They are completely propped-up by other countries and a slave army.Resources, nigger. Did I make myself clear?
>>541436115>The only reason Russia can fight this war is because they have almost unlimited resources.no, because they are fucking poor, you nigger.thats the only reason why they can mount such a big military
>>541429594The kgb rats got greedy and looted all the natural resource wealth for themselves. They saw how communism is preventing them from enriching themselves. Billionares appeared out of nowhere in russia in the 90s.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgograd_Tractor_PlantThey were never a superpower. Everything they do relies on jewish/american finance and backing.
>>541436159>thats the only reason why they can mount such a big militaryNo. Industrial wars are won by industry. Industry requires resources. The reason Germany lost both WWI and WWII is because of resources. Germany was instantly blockaded in WWI and was literally starving to death by the end. In WWII, Germany was overwhelmed by the resources of the Soviet Union and the United States. The reason Hitler wanted you dumb niggers to hold Stalingrad was because Germany was desperate for oil. Your army was literally using oil from coal and your domestic vehicles were converted to fucking wood because there was no fuel.Russia is essentially autarkic. It doesn't need to import anything to make weapons(although its semiconductor fabs are pretty shit). If Germany was blockaded it couldn't make anything. It is this "dependency" that turned your entire continent into a bunch of cuckolds. The moment Europe lost its colonies it was forced to suck American cocks to survive.
>>541436399>Russia is essentially autarkiclmao
>>541436399You're retardedIf Russia weren't so poor, it wouldn't be an option for hundreds of thousands of people to get torn to pieces by a drone for 10,000 euros.try to find someone in an industrialized country for that
>>541436551How many Germans died in WWI and WWII? In both cases, Germany was literally the most advanced industrialized country in the entire world.I hate arguing with niggers who know nothing. The real problem Russia faces is that it is trying to grow its economy while also fighting a literal existential war because it is still trying to compete with the other two great powers. The military bonuses are the Russian equivalent of like hundreds of thousands of dollars when adjusted for purchasing-power.
>>541436399Cool story bro, but russia would have gotten completely annihilated in isolation. Americans just strategically benefitted by giving everything they have for free to russians.
>>541436954>russia would have gotten completely annihilated in isolation.As compared to who? Russia and America are the only countries on Earth that can be autarkic.But yes, Russia doesn't have more resources than the rest of the world combined, nor the manpower. So a Russia in isolation will necessarily be poorer than a country that can exploit the resources and manpower of the whole world. Which also means weaker, and thus unable to defend itself. Which is the real reason the Soviet Union "lost" the Cold War(see Sino-Soviet split/petrodollar system)I never said Russia wants to be isolated, or that Russia benefits from isolation, but simply that the only reason Russia is a great power is because of its vast resources. If Russia had no resources, it couldn't fight any war except as a vassal/proxy of someone else.
>>541437189I mean germany vs russia in 1940s. You have some kind of autism. According to your logic, the usa was already the most advanced superpower before europeans were there.It's not just resources, it's also knowledge of how to use them, which russians didn't have.
>>541437660I never said resources make you powerful. I said you cannot be powerful without resources.Moreover, while Russia was certainly behind "The West" technologically, it wasn't by as much as people like to pretend, and it had more to do with geography than anything. European wealth was primarily derived from maritime/mercantilist trade. Which is why the Atlantic powers were much richer than Eastern Europe, and also why Southern Europe(especially Italy) was the richest part of Europe until the discovery of the Americas and European colonialism.
>>541429594Russia was never a real superpower. They had some good years because of stolen German wealth, that is over.
>>541436954This is correct. Amerimutt intervention is the reason Germany lost the war.Karma will come for them for investing in the killing of their grandfathers.
>>541429594Their nation was held together by ignorance. Once the veil was lifted and they refused to enforce the unity it fell apart into decay and corruption as disengenuous vultures took advantage of people's desire for change.Those said vultures still rule it.
>>541434554Why is China, Russia's ally, giving Ucraine drone parts and why is Putin allowing it?Also since you are very knowledgeable can you answer me:1. How do you things will unfold and how/who will win the war?2. If Ukraine wins what could happen to Romania?
>>541438483>This is correct. Amerimutt intervention is the reason Germany lost the war.1) Not intervention, Lend-Lease. You would have lost the war even if America had never stepped foot in Europe.2) Germany had spent nearly a decade preparing for the war and had a massive military. The Soviets were still recovering from Stalin's purges and were taken by surprise by Operation Barbarossa. Hitler himself said that had Stalin taken Romania's oil fields prior to 1941, Operation Barbarossa would have been a total failure. And it was Germany's inability to take control of Caucasus oil(see Stalingrad) that was the final nail in the coffin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec>>541438744>Why is China, Russia's ally, giving Ucraine drone parts and why is Putin allowing it?1) Allies aren't friends.2) China is trying as hard as it can to avoid WWIII because it knows that time is on its side.3) China doesn't want Russia to lose, but it doesn't want Russia to win either. In the final analysis, both China and America want a weakened Russia that essentially becomes its vassal/dependency. America wants to break Russia up into statelets who would seek security-guarantees from "The West" to protect it from China which America would use as the next Ukraine. China wants to keep Russia intact but completely dependent on China.
>>541439501If I had it my way, Japan would have everything up to the Aleutian Islands and down to Taiwan. Russians need to learn their place
>>541438744>1. How do you things will unfold and how/who will win the war?To answer this, you really have to ask yourself, what is this war really about?This war is a byproduct of the rise of China. It would literally be impossible without China, and also unnecessary. The fundamental problem is that world power is slipping away from "The West"(and by the west I really mean America and its vassals), making the West increasingly desperate. Especially those western states most dependent on the global financial system and the privileges of dollar hegemony(Anglo-Americans). China is also the cause of the short-lived Venezuela conflict and the current Iran War because America is forced to monopolize global energy markets and to isolate China and Russia to protect the petrodollar and slow China's growth.America won the Cold War by dividing Russia and China(Sino-Soviet split). America actually helped build China up as part of a larger strategy to encircle, "overextend"(bankrupt), and destabilize Russia(which also included NATO expansion and the various "color revolutions"). China and Russia are natural enemies who would be cutting each other's throats right now if America wasn't defacto at war with both of them.The United States hoped to contain Russia by expanding NATO and encircling them from Eastern Europe(Ukraine) to the Caucasus(Georgia) to Central Asia(Afghanistan and the neighboring countres), then overextend/bankrupt Russia by the sheer size of the military blocs surrounding it, forcing it into an arms-race it could not win. Which would also limit its soft-power/influence and ultimately isolate it. The eventual goal was a color revolution in Moscow or a Civil War that would lead to the dissolution of the country preferably into a multitude of small states, all threatened by each other and the Chinese behemoth next door, and eager to protect their slice of Russia's resources by becoming a US protectorate similar to Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States.
>>541439960>If I had it my wayIf I had my way, there would be a European Empire from Lisbon to Vladivostok. I could care less what language they spoke as long as they were European. Although I would prefer it to be German.>>541438744>If Ukraine wins what could happen to Romania?Romania is getting tons of money from military/logistics buildup in preparation for WWIII, or at least Russian containment via Intermarium. If Russia were to be defeated the buildup would be unnecessary. The frontline would move east and south.With that said, Europe has invested a lot of money in this war. And if western banks and corporations were to take over Russia, it would rescue Western financial markets from the debt collapse that is currently haunting them.Although it's unclear to me how things would pan out since the only reason Europe isn't a third-world shithole today is because of the American/Russian rivalry. If you remove Russia, America no longer needs Europe. In fact, Europe becomes America's enemy and we would divide-and-conquer Europe into oblivion since a unified Europe with control of Russian resources would be a threat.My personal opinion is that Europe was much better off with the pre-2022 status quo, and that this Ukraine War will almost certainly destroy Europe. Regardless of the outcome.
