Why are liberal democracies incapable of ensuring their biological survival? We see this everywhere, the pattern is pretty clear.
>>541451480Because women have an equal vote and vote like retards without any sense of self-preservation.
>>541451480Just give like 15k € to any female citizen who has a child. If it's still not enough, double it. It's really not that complicated to incentivize childbirth.
>>541451480If they were trying to ensure their survival, they wouldn't be liberalSemi-liberal democracies like japan, poland or other eastern europeans exist and are generally actually trying to stay alive.
>>541451482Do you want bunches of retards be born? Because that's what you'll get.
>>541451484It's that or migrants
>>541451480Russia and China also have birthrate problems. It is a modernity problem, not a democracy problem.
>>541451480China's birth rates are dropping too.It is simply because modernity lifts us out of poverty and sates our biological urges, which evolved in a completely different environment.Women don't need to poop out 8 kids in the hope a few of them survive to help around on the farm and look after them in old age.
>>541451480It's the natural result of universalist morals and a blank-slatist mentality. If all men are created equal, then eventually you have to let foreigners in, otherwise it would be admitting people are in fact not equal. And when the foreigners are inside, of course they will be at a disadvantage and are going to fare worse than the native populace, something the liberal goverment also cannot accept because again, People have to be equal. So they create measures that disadvantage the native populace. Of course that also requires a legitimisation for the open hostility against their own people, so an original din is invented to justify the anti-native measures as punishment for the supposed crimes.And that's when ethnic replacement happens and why every liberal Democracy at the face of globalism and mass migration turned out as the same multicultural project
>>541451487>>541451486It's mostly because women need to work and build a career until they are approaching the end of their fertile age period at 35ish. One income from a 20-something year old man can't finance a family.
>>541451485I mean, you need pronatalism, but it needs to be at least somewhat eugenic.A small, intelligent nation with nukes can outlast a foes many times more numerous. See israel.Also a shrinking nation does not necessarily need migrants. Or rather, it cannot, in the future, get the migrants it would need, because intelligent people are rare and dregs are common (see, immigration to europe).
>>541451480Literally no country hasfound a way to reduce plunging birth rates, even dictatorships like china and north korea.>>541451482Many countries do this, such as hungary, sweden and russia, and it doesn't work.
>>541451490>Also a shrinking nation does not necessarily need migrants.It does, if it has a socialized health- and elder care system. You need a constant rate of young people paying into the system to finance the old people who use it the most. Also modern capitalism is based on the assumption that a nations economy will keep growing indefinitely.
>>541451483Thing is they're also doing a poor job of it too.There are plenty of villages in Japan where schools close down because enrollment is so low and to this day Poland and other "semi-liberal democracies" in Eastern Europe bleed people.Turns out no one wants to live in crapitalist hellholes where affordable housing, education, healthcare and job security are a pipedream.
>>541451492>You need a constant rate of young people paying into the system to finance the old people who use it the mostAnd what I'm saying is, the young people paying into the system do not exist. They go to places like america where they don't pay into the system. The ones coming to europe are the ones who are parasites, who detract from the system rather than pay into it. That other people's children will pay for your lack of them might work in a shared national state with a shared democratic government, internationally it will not work.
>>541451494Yeah, hence get the natives to make babies by bribing them with money. Even if that might encourage idiots to breed.
>>541451493No industrial state has yet solved the birth rate problem. Hell, many third world states also have collapsing birth rates.Personally, I give it a (low) chance china will solve it, just because they have an efficient dictatorship, the rarest of rare governments in the world. Not that the prospect of a chinese dominated world is much more appealing to me than that of a nigger dominated one.
>>541451496>Personally, I give it a (low) chance china will solve itI don't think they can without radically altering society to basically force young women to drop out of society to be mothers and alter the cost of living so a single income can support a family. That is just not going to happen.
Because, even if we don't like to admit it, households and marriage are functions, not nature.
>>541451497Israel has ok birth rates. They're just skewed by the ultra orthodox. The productive ashkenazi have low birth rates apparently.Who knows, maybe the US will become amish dominated eventually. Would be funny for sure. They have decent but not total retention, so I guess some amish will escape to get educated and become properly productive. Maybe enough to keep society going.
It's not industrialization alone (although that plays a part) because Japan had a birth rate of 4-5 up until a few years AFTER WWII. It's mostly social structures and conventions, >>541451498 is correct. Faithful monogamy isn't going to be the norm without a lot of enforcement and incentives.
>>541451498Xunzi was right about human nature.
>>541451480>Muh biologyFuck off
>>541451499What a future. A large group of useless eaters breeding and from them a tiny percentage becoming actual productive members of society that maintain everything for the eaters.
>>541451480Because corporations come to control the government after a while and they have an endless desire for cheap labor. Rather than paying a native born citizen a full thriving wage, they'd rather pay immigrants half. Furthermore, these same types of governments become reliant on the immigrant vote to secure their future political offices. And immigrants form third world countries, particularly Muslim immigrants, tend to refuse to assimilate and bring a lot of crime with them. Not in every case, of course, but in most cases.
>>541451503Amish are self sufficient. They are not useless eaters, rather useless occupiers of land, but that seems to be a very minor problem for the future. If there's a large population of amish producing a small number of defectors sufficient to service the semblings of a modern industrial economy and nukes for defence, that may be a viable solution. (I suspect most amish defectors are still radical pacifists though, so there may be a problem there,)Haredim on the other hand are welfare queens, but I think israel might able to press them to service and productivity should the need arise. IMO their religious attitudes are generally more compatible with the needs of a modern state.
>>541451480>whybecause leftism is a mental disorderimagine claiming men get pregnant and girls have dicksthose are the people embracing communism
>>541451480democracy is a jewish lie to keep the goyim quiet
>>541451504>paying a full thriving wagethats a nonsense term. I pay you the least amount I have to to get the job done
>>541451480Individualistic nations have their advantages and disadvantages.The one big thing is venture and intellectualisl which propelled the west to dominate up to today, also, there is a lot more transparency and areas where debate and corrective measures can be applied, for example in communautarian structures, if you rape someine in your group, the structure will try to keep it a secret to save face and move you to a remote place so you can rape again. The anti omerta structures of the west has allowed it to underline the sexual abuse of children in the catholic church and in other sects, but you can be sure that it also happens in political organizations, jewish and muslim communities, that dont have these features. As a whole, these community based structures in these shitholes are a hellscape for individuals, but produce a goal oriented society where the mindless drones it creates just rape each other, birth bastard children and do some half baked attempt at work. This is why in that measure the backwards violent and rapey united states still have a decent margin for population rates in the west.The west has yet to invent some social organization that allows for greater bonds between people so they fuck and have children and work, but still maintain their individuality and don't use the community structures to coerce each other over the community values. This is a conundrum.
>>541451509Ill also add that actually the modern world order is not favored towards these community face cultures because nowadays the zeitgeist is of women having access to contraception and there are anti rape laws wether its culturally relevant or not.A russian or chinese raped woman will kill the bastard in her pussy if it was generated from scummy semen and there is little the dude can do. Its also true that these men are still very much indoctrinated by their backwards culture of rape enabling which is highly unappealling to women who will avoid them or destroy their rape homunculi.And so actually in a modern society the white feminist man with a touch of masculinity will prevail because he has access to consensual reproduction to which an abortion would feel like an agression from the female side, a breach of the social contract if you will. This might not be enough but it's still better than these disgusting dictatorial abortion laden countries.
>>541451480>The most common number of children a British or American woman has by her mid-thirties is now zero>The share of young adults in the west living as a couple is in decline>Birth rates in liberal, developed countries look exceptionally unlikely to return to replacement level any time soon
>>541451511Last time germutts tried to be a dictatroship they got completly raped by PoleGods
People will blame the Jews even though white people are indistinguishable from the Jews. Both seek to destroy themselves. White people think Muslims are preferable to Jews, and Jews think Muslims are preferable to whites, but they’re both retarded when Muslims hate Jews and white people equally. Imagine not knowing who the real enemy is.
>>541451480Because our natural population was inflated to work the factories, toil in the mines and consume, consume, consume in the 20th Century. With increasing mechanisation, we simply don't need the excess. If the world was sane, we'd allow it and the smaller population would benefit from reduced competition, but the powers that be want drones and human automation for cheap, so are always looking for a new source of cheap labor. When that's exhausted, which is soo as the newest wave of foreign labor has shown itself to be incapable of even being cattle class workers, then everything really will collapse.
>>541451513This. Jesus Christ. Why are Jews and white people so fucking stupid? Do Jews not think they’re European or white in-seeming? Do white people seriously not think that Islam is incompatible with the West?
