Was communism really that bad?
>>541462852It was Jewish so yes
It killed people unlike muh imperial nationalism
>>541462852only good communism is the chinese capitalist communism... otherwise it is giant failure because everyone is poor and everything looks like shit, but when you mix it with capitalism it kinda works
>>541462852Red Herring
according to everyone america is communist so i guess not
>>541462852>rentYou fucked up already right there.Freedom means you own the land and you're not forced to work for other people. And yes all non-commie countries have it, not just USA. They cope and seethe about that one tho.
>>541462852>trying to make heavily inefficient centralized resource distribution work in a world already dominated by free market trade, which had the actual flexibility to respond to economic uncertainties on the fly.lol
>>541462852It was better in some ways and worse in others. What I am talking about here is post-Stalin eastern bloc. These days the idea of being able to live without financial issues in a homogenous country, and basically everyone who wanted a spouse/family could have one, and there was no feminist bullshit; it seems like a paradise if you are an ordinary person. But the system didn't allow for dissent, and dissent is necessary to identify and solve problems, so those countries would just decay endlessly, while the capitalist west had endless dopamine hits, and were capable of reforms to deal with issues, so they won out.
>>541462852Yea dude it fucking sucked. Weve been over this. Theres no solution to human greed fucking things up past a certain point.
>>541462963lmao
>>541463393Nobody tell him
>>541462852kek wait when you find out there were no rents, and you just got the flat and a job once you finished school. And if you mary you get a bigger flat, and if you have kids a bigger one again. If you have high education you also get a vacation house in the next village. You literally didn’t have to do anything for that, just basic stuff, that is why it collapsed.
>>541462852Communism can only work in small countries with super majority White populations.Like Scandinavia.
>>541462852And what was the income? 5% of the equivlant of $60 US monthly wage is hardly a flex. It's no wonder they went nuts for Mcdonalds and Blue Jeans the moment they were available.
>>541463738If you were a Kazakh your former country got flooded with Russians. They are still trying to get them out of the northern parts to this day.
>>541463702>And yes all non-commie countries have it, not just USAuh no. they dont. technically and legally you dont own it. also you have to pay taxes. there are may be 2 countries on the planet where you actually own the land.
>>541464798Usually people had more money that they can spend
Why does a commie place have renters and landlords?
Income?
>>541462852They had to sell nuclear subs just to buy Pepsi. How many of your $5 homes are you gonna sell to buy basic ass shit?
>>541464812the only part with actual houses?
I met a guy who came here from Yugoslavia after the wall came down who told me everything I ever needed to know about communism. He lives in my building and whenever we ha e birthday parties or holidays the manager always gets us a bunch of pizza and we have e a party. We'll this guy never eats any pi,za and he always goes straight to the desserts. He helped me understand that there is actually no such thing as a communist. Do you think the rich kids on YouTube pushing xommunism in America are communists? Do you think the victims of past regimes that actually got into power were communists? Its all idiots and victims manipulated by would be tyrants. They all decry "fascism" thay doesnt exist but in reality they want to be the fascists in power. This dude never saw cake before he came to America. He ate nothing but meat and potatoes for almost 50 years.
>>541462852COMMUNISM IS THE WORST
>>541464885it was more a sort of utility payment to the state. The USSR had no private landlords
>>541462852CAPITALISM IS THE BEST
>>541464898and now you have to sell your ass for gas
>>541464961You talked to a CIA glownigger that told that to thousands of people to prevent communist thought.
>>541464875And nothing to spend it on, ration card for grocery, wait in line and hope they don't run out, waiting list for car, check back in 9-10 years for old lada.
>>541462852 the soviet income tax was 1,5-13% depending on the bracket. the current US rates are 10-37% you have been lied to about communism
Imagine government incompetence and malice but in every aspect of your life.What to sell a product at a price set by you? No you can't.Want to change to a better paying company in your industry? No you can't.And so on and so fourth. It's like elementary school but they shoot you if you disobey
>>541464961crazy story, cooking a cake is actually very easy and needs only eggs sugar and flour. That guy must be very retarded.
>>541465074> Imagine government incompetence and malice but in every aspect of your life.basically like in EU
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>>541465166No, LMAO. Oh yeah it's a regulatory mess but it's no commie state. And even if it was I can leave without being shot.
>>541462852You need to sit in que for +-30 years to get a room for yourselfYou cant be neet otherwise you would thrown in jail where in best case scenario raped otherwise killedTought police, you should only tought what chairman tought otherwise death
>>541462852no
>>541462852It depends which communism. The kgb communism of stalin was complete shit, but the kgb kikery of the 90s in the russia was complete shit too. It was done by the same people though.
The USSR was just gangsterism with a thin veneer of red paint.
>>541464974>>541464992
>>541462852I've read memoirs of Finnish communists living in 30s Soviet Union and they don't paint a very pretty picture.
>>541462852>Was communism really that bad?YES
>>541465245except that's retarded. the head provisional government wanted to EXPAND WW1 in to azerbiajan, iran and armena instead of end it. Bolsheviks didn't start WW1, the ruling class aristocracy did>>541465171stalin was not jewish, he was georgian, grew up orthodox christian, and actually went to seminary schoolkarl marx was raised Lutheran
on a community level (village/town/city) its awesomeon a government level its absolute assit only works as intended when all the regions, towns and so on are autonomous while having the exact same ideologybut when all of them are autonomous you dont really have a nationany other opinion on the matter is wrong
>>541465258is exactly the same
>>541462963Finally, a honest jew
>>541465766Karl Marx literally came from a family of rabbis
>>541465404m8, you need to sit in a queue for a dentist in germany almost a one year
>>541462852Communism is jewish so you tell me
>>541465071Somalias tax brackets are 0% we should adopt somalias model and maybe a couple million somalians too while we are at it
>>541466075capitalism is more jewish
>>541465499Source: anti-western and anti-christian pro hamas twitter page.
>>541466165Nigga, a literaö jewish man invented communism
>>541466032and they converted to christianity and went to a Lutheran church, then karl marx made remarks about jewish hucksterism
>>541462852>5% of income >cramped shithole with faulty utilities>you have to wait in breadlines constantly>you work your ass off while well-connected government officials live like kingsBash communists in the head with stones.
>>541466381and judaism allows usury against non jews
>>541466501>breadlinescertainly by the 80s the soviet union had better diet than the u.s.oh by the way what do you think happens when there's a natural disaster anywhere in the u.s.? oh right people wait in lines for gas. if you're concerned about shortages try not voting for republicans that start wars>work your ass off while the ruling class and CEOs who don't do any work live like kingsguillotine capitalists
>>541466304>pro hamas
>>541465404Stop the ((((belarusian)))) ((((((nationalist)))))).Still buttblasted your lady president didn't win?
>>541463702>Freedom means you own the land and you're not forced to work for other people.Do you not understand what property tax is?>Hey there, didn't pay your rent I mean tax this year>Your land is back to its owner I mean government lol>maybe you should have vooooooted harder lol>>541464812I knew a Kazakh who had an interesting background. He only spoke Russian (plus some English), no Kazakh. Looked Chinese.
>>541462852Yes.
>>541462852>Was communism really that bad?worse
>>541466042>sit in a queue for a dentist in germany almost a one yearfor the government dentistjust like under communismwith money, you get the dentist today thanks for agreeing with me that communism is shit
when you talk to east european oldfagsthey tell you they would vote to have the commie era back again
>>541467554Well of course old people would vote for shittier conditions for the youth.
>>541467554>hey would vote to have the commie era back againbecause their dick still worked and the wife wasn't a wrinkled hipopotamus not because communism was good for the people
>>541462852they didnt pay rent at all btw
>>541466015Thanks nigga
>>541462852yeah basically the debate between fulton sheen and eugene debs, could it have ended otherwise than this? what would you have done in 1950 to prevent financialization and destruction
>>541467845>the wife wasn't a wrinkled hipopotamushyperhoeflation is the result of liberalism and atheism
>>541467845my dick still works and I consider better system the one in which people are having children. simple as.>>541466501my both grandpas had houses in higher standard than me. one had high school the other one was labourer.two story brick houses with 2 bathrooms. made in 60s.
>>541466501>you work your ass off while well-connected government officials live like kingsdoesnt really motivate when financialized jp morgan central bank capitalism is youre unemployed while bankers live like epstein
>>541466155>Somalias tax brackets are 0% we should adopt somalias modelis there another viable alternative to atheism and feminism?
>>541462852That's the rent for a shitty apartment. If you wanted to own a proper townhouse... well, it was probably unaffordable for anyone who wasn't at least upper middle class.
>>541463702Ex comunist countries are only ones wthout land tax. I watched in US some old dude lives in a swamp. And he hunts beavers for fur or something whole year just to pay taxes on his land. Other than that he doesnt need cash.
>>541462852idk is mass murder of your own citizens bad?
>>541463830Just force bilionares to wear gopros. Like if you want the power: you lose the privacy? Or some similar thing. Maybe votes be public for the companies they own more than 1/10 of?. Idk I'm drunk. There must be some new hoop to jump through for lobbyists since they undermine our government and insulate themselves from the fallout they cause time and time again.
>>541465499surprised it wasnt a bluesky screencap. but its pretty much the same thing
>>541462852Sure the rent was cheap but you had no say in where you lived. If the party decided you were coal miner that had to live in the arctic, I hope you brought a coat. If they decided you had too much to think they'd simply kill you.
>>541462852>Was communism really that bad?It was unaffordable
>>541469307>under communism women didn't get old and uglyhow retarded are you?don't answer, I already know
>>541462852rent 5% of incomesausage and bread 92% of income
>>541469604>Ex comunist countries are only ones wthout land tax.we have a land tax but it is negligible it's not tied to the value of the house, just the area of the plot and it's a paltry sum something liek 200 euro per year for a 1000 sqm plot
>>541471155>sausage and bread 92% of incomeand the bread is availble only Monday mornings, sold out by 7:30 a.m.and the sausage is rationed, 150g per week per adult
>>541462852GULAG
>>541462852>Was communism really that bad?Did you also find out how there were 3-4 other families living with you, sharing a single toilet, hot bunking, and so on? For years at a stretch?Have fun when the DSA decides you live with 18 big smelly nigger roommates.
You guys do no that there are other systems besides capitalism and communism, right? The oligarchs in charge love to frame the debate as either allow them to control everything or Stalin re-emerges from the grave and puts us all in gulag. Those are your only two choices.
>>541471180They are starting to implement it here. But for now all expenses are utilities and garbage disposal. But thats tied to poeple living in a house and they cant take your house if you dont pay. Comunist had no reason to tax land because even top party boses could get apartment and few summer houses at best. In capitalist economies its done so you wont hoard land ( usless against money printer and jew) and more importantly that it forces you to work so you dont become homless.
>>541462852wait till you see how many people in china have not only purchased a home but have it paid off
>>541473387Purchased a home that hasn't been built yet and the companies building them went bankrupt and now the houses will never be finished and they already paid for it? Yeah china numba wan
>>541471466 I know it was like that in france after ww2, not because of ideology but because the country was still rebuilding from the destruction, i dont know what years it began to go away, orwell hot bunked in western europe and described sleeping on the floor until someone left, then crawling into their still warm bed, walls made of thin paper you could poke your finger through and so on
>>541473464the answer is 87% of the population own their home, 17% rent
>>541473620Its great owning a home that will never be built
>>541471155Most poeple had gardens some even fed pigs with food scraps. To be honest food production was more decentralized and robust than now. If you relied 100% on goverment you were fucked though.
>>541462852you had money but there was nothing to buy with itjoke was in grocery there was just vinegard and shopkeeper availablealso genius economy resulted in peasants buying off city milk to sell it again at higher price to factoryas usual best is balance of things
>>541464961>lives in my building>manager gets us pizzaStop being a retarded rentoid and get a real job.
>>541462963Fpbp
>>541464637My country is exactly the same as the shit Zoran Mamdani is doing right now. Politicians make themselves bigger authorities, and you have to read national headlines every day about how they're taking control over agriculture, schools, our grocery habits, or taxing the rich. It's literally what causes the Law of Jante, a thing where you berate or put down anybody who thinks they're anything special, or better than anyone else. Because it's perceived as wrongful to think that you are better than someone else.It's literally what people have been complaining about with "woke" for the last 10 years, or "social justice warriors". We went from all looking up to american exceptionalism and pride in the country, and freedom of expression, liberarianist ideals etc. to america itself envying the "perfect" society that they think the scandinavian countries are. They're perfect depressions where no one is allowed to do shit without intervention by some authorities.
>>541462852>"free" housing>never own a home of your ownVery compelling, please face the wall.
>>541466304Your country should be around number 4.
>>541462852relative to how the countries were before communism? no it was pretty good. that's why they compare it to the us and american vassal states>>541462963this is a fairpoint though
>>541462963Alright yid
>>541462852The question is why was it any percent?
>>541466381A jewish manfunded entirely by Jewish capitalistsinvented communismto subvert European socialists.National socialism was the response to this niggeredization of classic pro-human socialism.Pro-human national socialism lost. Anti-human capital won.
>>541464961> He ate nothing but meat and potatoes for almost 50 years.Sounds like heaven. I love meat and potatoes.
>>541462852Yes, because jewand before you ask, capitalism is extra bad, because jewsocialism is also bad, because jewanyism is also bad, you guessed it right, because of jew
>>541462963How are you first in every thread moshe, what technology is the idf giving you? Also keep in mind that the idf and US military are joined at the hip now, so technically under the FOIA you legally can't deny my inquiry
>>541466501>live like kingsit's funny you say that because king and the rest of the nobly were basicaly our SLAVE compared to nowaday
>>541475409More retard conspiracies to keep the retards in check
>>541465236oh no how terrible freedomman save me aaaah
>>541465236is this the power of 75% income (officialy 25%) rent ?
>>541462963Whats your angle?
>>541476519>More retard conspiracies to keep the retards in checkIt's public record
>>541466042>yeltzin_in_grocery_store.jpg
>>541462852Things every commie fan ignores>forced laborYou had to work everyday in a factory and no matter how hard or little you worked mattered you made the same tiny wage.>forced relocation You get moved to wherever they want you like some toxic city that needs employees or they force a bunch of islamists or jews into your neighborhood >no freedom of travelYou aren't allowed to cross the country or even leave the country because then you'll see how much better off everyone else is>rationsA farmer cannot eat food from his own land he must turn all of it over and wait for handouts in the bread linesBut the rent in your forced relocated commie bloc was cheap!
>>541462852For 5% you would get a bed in shared room kek. Such accomodations were common, tiny apartments were a dream you had to wait many years to get the privilege to pay much more for living in them.
>>541465171Not so fast:
>>541462852Yes for different reasons.Communism and Capitalism are Anti-human at the end of the day.
>>541462852>communism>income
>>541463393kek, everything kills people burger mutt>>541462852i was about to say that i would "get" my own cuck cage when i was in the retirement bracket under gommunismthen i realized i will never get my cuck pod under capitalism eitherboth suck
>>541462852You know that it was only 5% because they fucking made almost nothing, right? Are you retarded, simply uninformed, or outright disingenuous?
>>541478569sir capita..
friendly reminder that working under communism wasn't optional and work shifts were long, and refusing meant death or prison99.9995% of modern leftists would be culled within a fortnight if time travelled to the Soviet Union
>>541462852Why where they paying anything at all?
>>541464961And his name was Albert Einstein.
it depends of who is in power at the time and what are the leader's policies, under and after stalin it seems the USSR and the eastern bloc became slavic-centered by the settlement of ethnic russians on the other republics, and how homogenous countries like poland and east germany were kept with like +98% of the populations being the same ethnicity, communist poland even deported the jews and communist bulgaria deported many turks, some slovakian anon said gypsies were sterelized by the governemnt in czechoslovakia.today north korea has ethnic korean purity as part of their ideology and china is assimilating tibetans and uyghurs to the dominant han macro-group
>>541462852>WasCommunism IS utterly retarded.
>>541462852Soviet communism is infinitely better than the globohomo stuff. It's really just the other side of the conservative coin. Today, there's no longer a coin. The homos took the coin and put it in their ass. The end.
>>541462852ask yourself thisif communism was so pathetic and such an obvious failure, why did the richest countries in human history spend so much money trying to stop it?>Freedom means you own the landlol stop paying property tax and see how long you "own" the land> you're not forced to work for other peopleso tell me how much food your land produces for you each year
>>541479624whoops I'm a retard>>541463702
>>541462852nigga have you been in one?
>falling for communist propaganda There's a reason why communism always fails.
>>541469307>christkikes blaming atheists for jewish hyperinflation and hoeflation when they're the ones who enabled and defended jews while they created those thingsWhy are jew worshippers like this?
>>541462852Largest mass murder of all time.Killed more people than all religious movements, combined.It is an ideology of the have-nots.The moment they become haves within the system they oppress their own "comrades".
>>541462852The commie blocks they built were notoriously shit with thin walls and little insulation.It's something don't get me wrong, and I get the desire to not have to spend 40+ percent of your income on rent like we do now days, but it is important to remember that they were built more out of cheap necessity than out of the goodness of heart.
>>541462852Slavery fed and housed people. All they had to do is contribute to the good of the plantation. Then one day somebody gave them this idea that the arrangement was unfair and they deserved better and now they struggle to feed and clothe themselves.
>>541462852I wouldn't have minded living in a commie block as long as everyone was white
>>541484894>The commie blocks they built were notoriously shit with thin walls and little insulation.actually no. they build them with bricks or rebar concrete insulation. you can hear if people speak very loud loud. i had same shit in USA. the worst night mare i met was in UK France and now in Germany. My neighbors are literally listening to tv news i run on PC. In USA MTFs robed my friend by simple walking into her flat through the wall.
>>5414628521pbtid communism propaganda thread.
>>541462852Wait until they find out what Hitler did for having 4 kids.
>>541462963Kikes are breaking down in real time
>>541462852Yeah, basically read "We The Living" by Ayn Rand, it's her fictionalized autobiography of being in an upper middle class family in Russia during and after the Revolution.The long and short of it is, Communism squeezes people incrementally until people and families start to break and then it keeps on squeezing and squeezing and the constant dread and worry about how you're going to survive the next squeeze starts to poison people's souls and bring out the worst in everyone and turns the whole society into criminals, all spying on each other and turning each other in to try and keep their own ass out of the fire for one more day.Basically just exactly like society is right now. People who are supposed to all be Americans and want what's best for everyone are instead fighting tooth and nail against each other because they're being attacked by the government, but they can't fight back against the big, powerful government, so they turn around and kick each other instead, and then everybody's kicking everybody because everybody is kicking everybody and as the people kicking each other are pushed into tighter and tighter corners by the government, the kicking becomes more and more vicious and eventually people become indistinguishable from their own demons, because demons know how to survive in Hell, people don't. Communism was just one experiment to turn human society into a demon society, but nowadays they use a more sophisticated cocktail of communism, capitalism, and every other "Ism" to create the exact same conditions. So no, communism wouldn't be a solution to the problem of "super-communism." The solution is for everybody fighting each other to unite and all go kill the government and be willing to kill the innocent right along with the guilty to make sure none of the guilty escape, because if the guilty aren't all destroyed, then they'll destroy the innocent right along with everybody else, so morality doesn't matter on the individual scale.
>>541462852And what income did they get for their labor?
>>541486028>being in an upper middle class family in Russia during and after the Revolution.we should also read book written by jews about how horrible the holocaust was
>>5414860635% of 0 is 0, so rent is free
We have to all get so mad, all at the same time, that we drop everything else and start killing every single problem-person by ripping their throats out with our teeth like wolves.And anything that isn't that is basically fiddling on the Titanic.
>>541485537I'm refer to the ones built in eastern Europe. They did improve over time, but most that were built were pretty shit. Got to see some of them in Hungary when I visited a friend. Basically worse than low-income housing here in the US. Also the pipes apparently used to break in the winter all the time, but they replaced them when he was a kid so they'd stop.
>>541462963More jewish than capitalism?
>>541486028>basically read "We The Living" by Ayn RandNo.
>>541486078See, here's a demon kicking at every other demon he can see because he's too chickenshit to fight the government, and then the demons he kicks all turn around and kick him so he has to kick them back and only the government gets to sleep soundly in their beds while their enemy, the people, all kick each other to death while they're all being funneled into the killzone.How many Jews have you ever killed? Zero. How many Jews will you ever kill in your life? Zero, so shut the fuck up.
>>541486178Ah, you hate the Jews, you hate the Jews, how many Jews have you killed? Zero. How many will you kill? Zero. Shut the fuck up.
>>541462852Do you think that all the communist countries that switched to capitalism from Russia to China are all retarded? Any former soviet republic in Europe can vote communism back into power. Ask the Poles if they want to bring it back.
So many people think that blind hatred for the Jews is enough to make up for the fact that they're never going to do anything.Oh wow, you hate the Jews SOOOO much that you're going to sit on your chair and fart into the cushion for the rest of your life. Fucking BAAAASED, this is him, guys, this is the next Hitler.
Oh, so you're a communist?Name me 5 communes. ...I'm waiting. Tick tock.
Fucking tourists don't know that communism was Jewish till Stalin purged all the leninists from the party and he was trying to put a final solution to the JQ before he was killed. Tourists don't know that the very same Marxist Jews who fled the Soviet Union were the ones who founded all the neocon schools. There was zero feminism, faggotry or multiculturalism in the Soviet Union.
>>541486271I don't have to regurgitate Mammon worship propaganda. Neither do you.
>>541486271>>541486390Weird posts.
>>541486132>More jewish than capitalism?good question.according to /pol/lore it's jews job to maximized evil, therefor the the question can be re-asked as >does communism maximized evil more than capitalism?the answer is obvious
>>541462963I'm confused, is this some advanced esau-gambit I'm too goy-brained to understand?
>>541464637kek so the chinese are super majority white now? KEK
>>541487540Chinks are eusocial creatures, they're governed by different rules.
>>541462852What is the significance of the sickle? Seems like Saturnian bullshit to me
>>541462852i think it was bad for top 10%
>>541464875because money was made up bullshit tokens and sticker prices had no connection to market value. meaning everything was in deficit and you had to get lucky or barter to get stuff you wanted
>>541487707farming and craft, two things communist can't do
>>541487707Something to slather you back to workforce i guess
>>541462852Communism is only bad to Jewish business owners.
>>541462852Dude, you'd like be on the Politburo, for sure. Those guys in Lubyanka are fags.
>>541462852>Communism>Rent
No it was as is much worse
Just the rent was 5%. Don't forget about taxes and fees. Or the fucking gulag.
>>541463736>in a world already dominated by free market tradeYou know this isn't a thing, your president is obsessed with destroying the free market
>>541462852YES
