>saves the planet using the most common element in the universe Why is it always up to the Germans to elevate humanity to its next level of existence?
German innovation prowess is long over. Whatever marketing headline vaporware you're referring to is probably for some kind of market pump
>>541463657Hydrogen was already tried. It's inefficient every step.
>>541463657>pic unrelated
Call me back when they start making zeppelins again
>>541463657Hydrogen is a joke, it's not only wasted money. The opportunity cost for wasting money on hydrogen projects is huge.
>>541464047Germany nearly went broke trying Hydrogen.
>>541463657Germans have caused far move damage, than help for European kind.
>>541464072>trying HydrogenThey are still tryingJust a few more billion and I'm sure the next project will work perfectly.They will solve embrittling, compression, leaks and they will beat all the laws of thermodynamics.
Hydrogen was pushed as a go-nowhere meme technology after the GM EV1 electric car was forcibly confiscated back from the people who had leased them and after the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles program produced working 70-80mpg midsize hybrid vehicles.
>>541464253What a mess.
>>541464047>>541464072>>541464253Toyota already solved it a decade ago. The hell are you talking about
>>541463838142 MJ/kg vs 60 MJ/kg 50-60% fuel cell efficiency vs 20-30% combustor efficiencyNo NOx, no CO2, no catalytic convertersOil-free motor train >inefficient every step
>>541464438If you think having a working engine is enough to make hydrogen a good idea then you're too stupid for this conversation.I can make a 2-stroke sugar engine, would you say that's a great idea?
>>541464492Now take density into account, we can ignore embrittling and leakage for now.
No one with half a brain wants bmw anything. Next time buy an ad
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They arent the only ones, i know for a fact that several big motor manufacturers are doing projects on it, not just germans
>>541463657Hydrogen-ICE is cool, it's basically just a diesel engine but clean as fuck. However, the generation and storage/transport of hydrogen is always going to be an expensive nightmare.Even NASA can't figure that shit out, they just have a threshold of acceptable leakage.
>>541463657When Hyundai (and BP to make the gas) attempted it, President Barack Obama had to stage the greatest man made ecological disaster in history in order to save two industries and raise Elon Musk to Henry Ford status.
As someone who has worked in the German auto industry I can tell you that hydrogen cars are the biggest grift of grifts that purely aimed (and failed) to postpone the end of life of the combustion engine by for example diverting investments and subsidies from vastly superior and more efficient and cheap electric cars and battery research, which is the biggest indicator that it was a grift from the very beginning because all hydrogen cars are electric cars that depend on any developmenty in battery tech as well. Right now all big hydrogen upscale projects have been cancelled or reduced to very small alibi research projects that fulfill the minimum criteria to get your hands on government funding. Hydrogen is effectively a fossil energy source because it is a byproduct of Qatari gas extraction and this was never supposed to change
>>541463657my gay uncle celebrated his birthday in that cafe there. ugh.
Trains are a proven alternative. As for industry just ban steel and cement and make everything out of cotton.
>>541464654You clearly don’t know much about Toyota, yet you’re speaking to people as though you’re an authority on the subject. It would be better to check your facts before talking down to others.
>>541463838>It's inefficient every step. If it's about filling the oil-lobbies moneybags, correct? >>541464741>Now take density into accountYou mean Of the cities filled with Arabs and niggers like you want us to live, right? Go kys
>>541465243This doesn't make any sense. Hydrogen cars ARE electric cars. They just don't have large battery packs.
>>541465263Did you come inside his asshole there too?
>>541463657Leave it to BMW to create the tackiest building ever.
>>541463657>goes bankrupt
>>541463657>elevate humanity to its next level of existence
>>541463838Well when the alternatives are banned or straight up inaccessible it's pretty good doesn't it?
>>541465253The only real grift is EVs. It is an impossibility more now than ever with the AI grift and it already was an impossibility before AI. No grid on the planet, not even the one in the US can supply the EV world. It is an impossibility, plain and simple. Hydrogen tho with all it's corporate detractors is the only sensible future outside of oil.
>>541465253Me again. So the German car industry is fucking toast. Despite the fact that we still have some of the worlds most cutting edge battery research (within public universities and Institutes) the combustion industry lobbied against any attempt to establish a coherent industrial strategy in favor of the BEV, especially one that centers around battery cell assembly, the heart of any BEV development.The result is now that virtually all German automakers are completely dependent on Chinese battery tech, especially BMW is 100% dependent on CATL for example. German CEOs were on record saying stupid shit like 'Batteries are just cheap supply parts'. Now every car manufacturer desparately tries to eek out the last value-adding parts outside of cell assembly that are left like thermo management systens or battery management systems. Probably is that CATL and co aren't dumb so they offer vastly superior integrated solutions at this point, stopping just short of making their own cars.
>>541465770>The only real grift is EVsThere are 100 million EVs on Chinese roads right now.6 months ago Austria shut down every single pilot hydrogen gas station. You can keep repeating your lobbyist talking points but I am vastly more knowledgable on this subject than you. Again as of now hydrogen is much of a fossil fuel as oil, it's literally a byproduct of gas extraction.
>>541465927It's a real mess. Germany from a resource perspective should favor EVs, as outside of coal they lack hydrocarbon deposits. But they have lots of industrial capital and power tied up in combustion engines and they happen to sell a lot of these cars to the oil-producing states.
>>541466103It's already over, the Chinese now have the superior battery tech and the assembly lines as well. Companies like Volkswagen try in a last ditch effort to establish their own cell assemblies but even at their pilot plants they are in turn dependent on Chinese processing machines, also originally one of Germany's economic pillars.
>>541463657Germans are about to get hit with everything they deserve after voting for Merkel for decades, incessant finger pointing and in ze Germany we do it differently, turning themselves freely into a Russian hostage by shutting down all nuclear energy for zero reason all while destroying Europe via mass migration enabled by Merkel and the EU.
>>541464253They will never solve leaks. The particles are so small they quantum tunnel through whatever you try to confine them in over time. The obscene pressures you have to use to carry a useful amount around are a big problem too. You are driving around in a bomb.
>>541466054>CHOINANobody gives a shit. CHOYNA lives rent free on your mind.>100 millionWhere did you got that figure? From the same government you say lies all the time? Also you cannot compare CHOYNA with the US the latter of which is broke and embezzles public money instead of fortifying it's grid. The US and the West would rather spend a quadrillion dollars decintegrating Gaza than using the money to better their countries. I ask you, is CHOYNA lying about their numbers or do they only lie when it's convenient to your narrative?
>>541463657Carbon?
Btw, you are already behind.The BEV has already won. So have Electric trucks and even off-higjway machines are getting electrified now just google the cooperarions companiss like Liebherr have concluded with battery makers. CATL has even announced major maritime projects.The only thing that is actually seriously debated right now, with open end, is air flight. That's it. Batteries have already won tbe future in any other space.
>>541466585I have been to China like 3 times as part of my job bro, every single car on the road over there in all of the major cities is now electric. Traffic is so silent right now it's scary. But not just China, I went to New Zealand 3 months ago and every 2nd uber was a BYD. Have you left your room at any point in the last 10 years?
>>541466872>>541466872If this was even remotely true you would know that over like 25mph, the vast majority of car noise is from the tires, not the engine. Shut the fuck up you larping cuck faggot.
Why do science tards try so hard to use hydrongen, when they can just combine it with nitrogen and get ammonia that eliminates all the negatives of hydrogen. The fuel tank will be large, but that's like 3% of car weight.
>>541467095Here in NJ it's got to be like every 4th or 5th car is a Tesla. I don't doubt what he's saying at all even though I've never been to China. China doesn't have a powerful domestic oil industry capable of lobbying for its interests because China just doesn't have a lot of oil domestically, so its always seen as an external cost.
Germans destroyed the Roman Empire and the British Empire, and are currently mandating the replacement of ethnic Europeans after killing tens of millions of them in the most devastating war the world has seen. They are autistic dysgenic freaks who should be wiped out for the good of Europe.
>>541463657visisted the BMW museum twiceonce years ago before they built the new center across the street and once recently great place, will go again thanks for reading my blog
ya, who doesn't want a 10,000psi jug of hydrogen resting between their legs cruising down the highway.
>>541465253Because it's fucking inefficient to make hydrogen with solar and wind energy you fucking green moron. If we still had nuclear power you could drive your ev goy car for 5 cent per kWh.
>>541467095Buddy China is a real country that exists in the real world, you know. You cna just go and hop on a flight, go there and see for yourself. German citizens like me don't even need a visa.
>>541467226Genius. Instead of the negatives of hydrogen you have the negatives of ammonia.
>>541467283I’m just saying that even if every vehicle on the road was electric, traffic wouldn’t ever be “silent.”
>>541466872> went to New Zealand 3 months ago and every 2nd uber was a BYD.False. Ignore this German. His hun shaped skull and missing frontal lobe causes him to lie.
>>541467350ok merchant
>>541463657china's got sodium batteries, that's all thatll matter in the future and westoid companies will seethe hard because they wont be able to make their own sodium batteries with their gay nigger dei pajeet bullshit.
>>541467350It says here that it was the Jews and the Americans who destroyed British industries not the Germans.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdUBvYUeOGM
>>541467621I believe u , plus your women are gorgeous
>>541467495>Because it's fucking inefficient to make hydrogen with solar and wind energy you fucking green moronExactly another reason why batteries are superior. This didn't matter to 16 years of Merkel government funding all kinds of stupid pro-hydrogen power to gas research Initiatives instead of putting that shit into a coherent battery cell supply chain.
>>541467660They don't have just sodium batteries they already have the first sodium car platforms in fact.
>>541464741Just put a water tank in place of the fuel tank and electrolyse the water in the car you dumb nigger.Take 40MJ off the engine to power the electrolysis and run the water through reverse osmosis filters to prevent scaling of the electrolyser.Pump the resulting hydrogen gas into the combustion chamber under pressure, happy motoring, and the only exhaust fumes are oxygen and water vapour.This is piss easy.Everyone who's thinking it can't be done without a massive pressurised hydrogen fuel tank is a fucking useless Jewish retard and should kill himself like the disgusting subhuman nigger he is.
>>541467831Or you can just charge your battery at your house's socket instead of doing that clown shit.
>>541463657>Why is it always up to the Germans to elevate humanity to its next level of existence?It was the Bongs actually... You're welcome.
Bongs win again.
>>541467673New Zealanders are poor, the NZ GDP is a joke. they can't afford Uber in their own country. Also NZ women are easily the ugliest women in all of the Anglosphere what are you on about.
>>541463657I bet the building looks a sleek and futuristic, but breaks down every week, costs a fortune to fix, and the parts take a month to arrive in the mail.>>541464147They should damage it some more. Europe deserves to be damaged for being so gay and jewish.
>>541467528All that it takes for Germans to self-destruct is nigger dicks.I've seen howling fraus just chuck their wedding bands to go get bred by an American nigger.The kikes trained Krauts to destroy themselves too well. ALL Germans must be erased, the kikes have just made them into another Golem.
>>541463657>saves the planetExplain how the hydrogen is produced. (for the car, not for the universe)
>>541463774this kike will say this then demand you believe everything China says
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Hydrogen can leak out of any joints it finds. Any hole. This is the problem. Engineering a storage and transport system to use hydrogen is extremely difficult, because hydrogen is the tiniest form of matter that exists. And because the shit is retardedly reactive with anything oxidizing(such as air and any ignition source).Natural gas(methane) is a much more stable and safe storage medium for hydrogen than H itself. 4 hydrogens bound and stabilized to a single carbon.
>>541468094Right now it is being pumped out of the Persian Gulf along with natural gas.Scientifically illiterate people will try to tell you that we will abundant energy (lol) to make it with electrolyzers with is an incredibly inefficient and expensive process. The biggest problem among many is that hydrogen catalysis is completely dependent on platinum metal catalysts, a problem that hasn't been solved in 70 years. If you think that Lithium shortage is a big deal you can't begin to imagine the extent of platinum metal shortage we will get with this.
>>541466726that will fun to pitch to the goyim when electric prices explode and third world tier rolling blackouts/brownouts start to regularly happen in formerly white nations because the grids weren't designed or upgraded in time
>>541467350Britain, particularly Churchill, doomed western civilization and white people forever
IF YOU ARE FROM GERMANY READING THIS. MY DREM CAR IS THE BMW M2.I need $110,000 CAD asap.
>>541468328solution: replace the platinum with iridium, lel
>>541468520>M2Not the M1?
>>541468599Anon, I... iridium is a platinum metal.
>>541468669>joke>your german autism head
>>541464047sweden wasted a lot of good money pursing iron ore reduction by hydrogen for (((green))) steel production, a process that was proven kinetically non-viable something like over a century ago
>>541468328Exactly, it's not green and its not practical. Even if the hydrogen was produced by electrolysis and the electric grid wasn't powered by carbon, it's still not a practical way to store and use that energy. Hydrogen is extremely difficult to store, and has terrible energy density in terms of volume.Sodium-ion powered vehicles are the future.
>>541465229The answer to leakage issues are volume and positive pressure layers.
>>541464253>>541466543it's a special slop paste they mix to make it stable and simple to transport. it's still a scam, you need EV battery as you're not burning it rather it's an electrochemical process which makes electricity and charges a smaller EV battery so in the end it's a scam. can't compete with EVs on cost
>>541469432>Even if the hydrogen was produced by electrolysisit's still retarded because it's the equivalent of taking gas, turning it into electricity and using that electricity in your car to make gas back so car can burn it. it's pretty much retarded. just use the fucking electricity you'd use to make hydrogen, like directly into EV battery lol. what the actual fuck lmao
>>541467688It's still fucking stupid to drive around with an ev and turn of the ac just to be able to drive 50km more and not have to wait 40 minutes to charge 80% of your battery so you can drive another 350 km. Just use a combustion engine you moron. There's a reason every military vehicle uses diesel fuel.
>>541463657What a very German building but I like the Mercedes-Benz one better
>>5414701926 minutes full charge with latest batteries, it's done anon, gas lost. take the l and fuck off will ya
>>541464654Thats bullshit Ofc its a great idea
>>541463938>Call me back when they start making zeppelins againThe Hindenburg disaster was no more of an accident than 9/11 - it the kikes doing their pre-WW2 ritual sacrifice of Germany.
>>541470313That's a research. It is dangerous, expensive, the batteries need to get replaced after a handful of cycles and only German gay EV fetishists fap to shit like this when they read their climate lobby blog posts.
>>541467831Why are white people this smart?
>>541468650show pic
>>541465770>No grid on the planet, not even the one in the US can supply the EV worldThat's why personal transportation is being terminated - just like personal property.You'll live in a "walkable prison" and eet ze bug-and-SSRI's goyslop, slave.
>>541464492They have already attempted this at length 30+ years ago, god zoomers need to read a fucking book.
>>541470868https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1
>>541470657it's real and lasts for basically your whole life and werx in -40C and +80 or whatever. it's literally solved. and cheap as fuck eventually, since it has fuckign salt lol no lithium or rare/expensive/toxic shit>>541467831but that is fucking retarded you moron, because you get less miles for the same fucking electricity going directly into an EV battery. what the actual fuck is wrong with you retards didn't you learn elementary mathematics and physics how tf are y'all so fucking retarded
>>541465927>the German car industry is fucking toastRoste in Frieden, Amalek
Noooooo! Pursuing the best combustible fuel possible is a waste of time!
>>541463657It's abundant in the universe but not on earth
>EV tries to kill HVGod I hate EV, they're so fucking gay.
>hydrogenIf you think burning EV are bad, whit until those bad boys start crashing into each other in the middle of busy street.
>>541471193it is not combustible, the fuel. that was a primitive aproach to it, they're using a hydrogen paste now in an EV.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cellI hate morons not even knowing what the actual fuck they're talking about and they keep saying stupid shit while being confidentwho even ok'ed the whole hydrogen scam this cannot be fucking real. just use it as fuel in large electrical power stations for fucks sake, if you can cleanly source it, not fucking produce it from electricity lol
>>541463657seat heating and parking subscriptions? maybe they are.
it is a literal addon to an EV car, stop dreaming of your internal combustion hydrogen brainrot, that is not fucking real, they tried it in the past that's all, now this is what they are shilling. their special fuel you cannot get anywhere else. it's a fucking scam
>>541468650>>541471025The M1 was a beautiful car, but hell to maintain. A friend owned one, and to replace the water pump - which would fail quite often - required a complete removal of the engine (which on a mid-engine car is no trivial task).But even sitting still...so gorgeous.
>>541470183you can save the battery with overhead power lines, typical electrical bus/train business.
>>541465770In 2025 China installed he equivalent of 2x Germany's entire power grid in new capacity.
>>541471640they already practice trolley setup for transport trucks on highways, they have some test zones for it. hydrogen still makes no sense anywhere in this scenario. just power the wires with it from the power plant.the whole hydrogen tranport infrastructure is pure crazyness, from a cost perspective, and everything else, training, special gear all ALL of that fucking nonsense, on top of everything, which YOU are paying for obviously.it cannot, under any fucking circumstance, logically and scientifically speaking, compete with wires and pure EV. it just cannot. for regular personal transport.
>>541471017>Fuel cell technology and conformal matrixed cryogenic storage solutions haven't changed in 30 years. How's it feel to be melanated?
>>541471078>it's real and lasts for basically your whole life and werx in -40C and +80 or whatever. it's literally solved. and cheap as fuck eventually, since it has fuckign salt lol no lithium or rare/expensive/toxic shitIs this the fraudulent donut lab nonsense your talking about?
>>541471636At least is doesn't have modern bullshit and subscription seats and performance packages.German cars except for old Beetles are a maintenance problem.
>>541471680The USA cannot do that. Hydrogen is the future for all countries with an infrastructure already. Scrapping entire industries to try and copy China out of pure jealousy is stupid specially when the West rhetoric is that CHOYNA bad. Listen just because nobody in the entire world buys American cars does not mean scrapping those industries is an answer to America's economic woes. This only helps the interest of Elon and no one else. If the USA wants to sell cars they have to make them better and cheaper but the American way of business is unsalvageable. The line cannot go up infinitely. America has to abandon and reform the way it does business or it will inevitably die. American business would rather blame CHOYNA or anyone else but themselves.
>>541463657Methane: existsActual retards: "But what if hydrogen..."One fucking carbon for every two hydrogen molecules and suddenly you're not fighting the fuel every step of the way.
>>541472692Hydrogen power plants
>>541465253>As someone who has worked in the German auto industry I can tell you that hydrogen cars are the biggest grift of grifts that purely aimed (and failed) to postpone the end of life of the combustion engine by for example diverting investments and subsidies from vastly superior and more efficient and cheap electric cars and battery research, which is the biggest indicator that it was a grift from the very beginning because all hydrogen cars are electric cars that depend on any developmenty in battery tech as well. Right now all big hydrogen upscale projects have been cancelled or reduced to very small alibi research projects that fulfill the minimum criteria to get your hands on government funding. Hydrogen is effectively a fossil energy source because it is a byproduct of Qatari gas extraction and this was never supposed to changeI think they also hoped this would save the German auto industry. Battery cars feel "toyish" and are thus terrible for high-value/luxury car brands like German ones. No point in paying extra just cause the outside is black and shiny. An engine in which you put something feels more real though. Also if there had been a breakthrough they'd be ahead of everyone in that so I guess that's what they were hoping for.
>>541472692>One fucking carbon for every two hydrogen moleculesThat's a very weird way to put it
>>541473223Only because you're a memeflag retard that can't into chemistry.
>>541472692that's how hydrogen is currently produced at scale https://www.energy.gov/cmei/fuels/hydrogen-production-natural-gas-reforming>>541473223but that's exactly how you account for atom balance
>>541474101>that's the most accessible source of hydrogenIt's almost like you understood what I said.
>>541474843I did, i just wanted to educate to the less informed lurking the thread
>>541473223Well it's chemically true, as H2 is how hydrogen is found normally.
You guys are just mad that you haven't figured out how to use wooden doors on your gas chambers LIKE WE DO IN GERMANY.
it might not be the biggest breakthrough yet but why is everyone ITT so mad that there is research and developmentits kind of funny to see all the NEET anons thinking they know what will or will not workthe real breakthrough coming out of germany is the stellarator fusion reactor alpha which is currently being built and ready in the early 2030sproof of concept of stellarator reactors have been successful and now its just a matter of building themby late the 2030s we will begin mass production of the commercial stellaris reactor which will make us energy independent and revolutionize our economy
>>541475461Sorry, but why do you need a reactor? If you're going all-in on solar, that should free up more and more capacity on the grid as the years go by. You can then use that unused capacity for AI farms, scientific research, or, I don't know, whatever the fuck you want. Are you really going in in solar?
>>541464047It's ridiculous, all that wasted effort because the elites told the goyim that carbon dioxide is le bad. The best way of storing hydrogen is to bond it to carbon.
>>541476708solar isnt shit compared to fusionyou cant run an economy on solar only and production and disposal are kind of messy
The Chinese are already readying for mass solid state battery deployment in the coming years. At 500Wh/kg energy density, this will beat all other drivelines and make EVs the de facto standard and superior choice in 99% of cases. It will also make small EVs finally viable which will have huge ramifications.
>>541477297Why dont you go live in China if you want to imitate it so much? Go there and drive you cuck phone with wheels all you want.
>>541477448All battery development is done in China now. The west fucked up clinging to the past. CATL is the most important tech corporation of our generation, not Nvidia.
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>>541477539Batteries are not the future. Well, maybe in CHOYNA, but out of necessity rather than actual technical superiority. Batteries are not superior to oil. How is China going to overcome its dependence on oil for heavy machinery? They can't. Nobody can. They are striving to lessen their dependence, though, but only because the US is doing its best to cripple China through its dependence on oil not because batteries are superior.
