give me a SINGLE realistic scenario in which ukraine wins
>>541483306i cant read that sign.
>>541483329Good! It's just stupid propaganda.
>>541483306It doesn't win, but neither do you. It ends the same way as how South Korea and North Korea are stuck in an infinity war.
>>5414833061. Russia has a coup (unlikely but not impossible) 2. Escalates to conflict with NATO (Russians have been primed by chabad and orthodox church to blame all their mistakes on the eternal Anglo) If they get into a real war with NATO they will know it because the front line will be the front door of their house.3. State collapse, Muslims break away in the south, China administers the east and Moscow becomes a rump state (most likely tend with decline of Russian speakers)I can't see a scenario where Russia wins
>Russia makes no changes to their strategy>Advance slowly at high costs>Ukraine innovates in automated warfare>Eventually the casualties and economic impact come home to Russia>Russian society starts to peel at the seams and the troops are needed to keep order.A bit of a stretch, but so is Ukraine collapsing from similar tension right now. Neither is in a good position to either win or lose right now.
>>541483664we don’t want to deal with it.mvh cia
>>541483772Russia advances slowly because costs are low and every "ukrainian" weapon is being made in the west.
>>541483772>Russia makes no changes to their strategyRussian doctrine has changed several times in this war and they even have a new military branch as a result>Advance at high costsRussia is advancing slowly at low cost>Ukraine innovatesUkraine has done a very impressive job adopting Russian innovations quickly.>Eventually2 more weeks?>Russians will fight for Ukraine against Russia and help NATO overthrow their racial self-determination foreverI don't think that'll happen
>>541483306successful false flag in a NATO country
>>541483306I don't know if Ukraine will win, but Russia will definitely lose. This entire war is fueled by delusions and unrealistic goals. The moment they lose their grip on Ukraine, they will turn into a fortress country that will attempt to join the EU and NATO. If they continue this war, eventually they will go bankrupt.If they try to do something silly, either NATO will join one way or another, or China will step in. Or both.Russia can't win, which is why they are desperately looking for any way out of this mess that will not make them look like a bunch of bozos.
>>541483306The one in which you stay seething behind a keyboard instead of fighting at the front. What are you waiting for? Victory awaits!
>>541484051This.Putin setup a forever war with little costs to rhw Russian public.He can keep at it for decades.
>>541483417there won't be a freeze of the conflict like taiwan-china or SK-NK
>>541485479yes, russia will capitulate like nazi germany did
>>541485509how close are we to this in your opinion?
>>541484851To be fair it could've happened, had the west not decided to just shit on an average Russian for years on end. Surprisingly, people you very publicly dehumanize aren't keen on cooperating.As for the theme of the thread, the only halfway realistic scenario is monke kicking the bucket quickly and suddenly, jumpstarting a power struggle at the top. But even that has a good chance of failing, since I'm fairly sure they have some robust inheritance order in mind already, with a non-zero chance of some military hardliner taking Big P's place and fucking Ukraine even harder. The real question here, can anyone win this shit at all at this point.
>>541484051From what I can tell they are sourcing a lot of the parts from other nations, but that could be said about any nation, your own as well. After all the manufacturers of chips are fewer than should be.And that slow crawl has been going for years. At what point do you decide that a war taking 50 years to win isn't worth the cost?>>541484851>Muh idpol culture warrior slopK
>>541485778everything is designed and programmed outside of ukraine, they only provide basic parts like fuel and some engine parts, assemble and slap the sticker.
Hold out long enough for Russia to become so weak that China finishes the job and takes their rightful land back.
>>541483306they lose the war but buttsex becomes legal anyways.
>>541485879But does it even matter if that's the case? They are getting more and more automated it's all the same whether it's made domestic or abroad.
>>541485994what is the argument? Drones are just weapons, Russian missiles are also automated but they carry 900kg warheads instead of 90kg
>>541485736>had the west not decided to just shit on an average Russian for years on end.Don't flatter yourself. Nobody thinks or cares about Russians here.
>>541483306The can't.They can drone all the ruskie conscripts they want but they'll never retake the 25% of their country the ruskies took currently occupy.
>>541486581Neither does an average Russian think about an average American, that's completely normal. I'm not talking about them though, I'm talking about those whose voice is actually heard - the media. And those whose actions actually matter - the politicians.
>>541483329It says matyerinstvo - nye ediniy shlyakh samoryealizatsiy shinky. Hope that clears things up.
>>541483306Both nations lost the plot in this conflict but Russia lost it harder. At this point just cut your losses and make a truce. The only other option is magic the fabled nuke into existence and use it on Kiev.
>>541483664>>If they get into a real war with NATO they will know it because the front line will be the front door of their house.>Invade a nuclear power>get entire divisions vaporized by tactical nukesLmao delusional nato trannies I swear.Moreover the idea that modern eurosissies have anywhere near the collective willpower required to fight an absolute meat grinder of a war is laughable.
>>541487102>and use it on Kiev.Or Moscow. Or, preferably: both.
>>541483306They give me command.
>>541487546Putrid decreed to occupy Dombass 14 times, and they failed on all 14 dates. Who is the delusional tranny? It's you, sukdeep>>541483306Ruccian GDP contraction is at around 20%. They cook the books so comically so their collapse will shock even more delusional third worlders.To be fair, I count famines as a collapse too.
>>541488245>famine in a food exporter, that has an overproduction problem even nowYou know, I'm gonna have to agree with the burger here, you're somewhat delusional.
>>541487546>tfw no slav twink fuckbuddy who i use as a stand-in gf and get into lovers quarrels with in public
>>541483306Yep dying for ZOG is the other path to a women's fulfilment, according to Ukraine at any rate.
>>541486667>They can drone all the ruskie conscripts they want but they'll never retake the 25% of their country the ruskies took currently occupy.The Afghans got back their entire country from Russia.
We only talk about Jews because stupid fat fuck higher-ups want to appeal to Muslims by the way
>>541483306There isn't one, jews always lose.
>>541488718>There isn't one, jews always lose.Speaking of which, you're losing in Iran.
Kim Jong un nukes Moscow. Wild card bitches
>>541483306Of course they can't win. But they have Infinite money and can send any living ukrainian to frontline. What can Russians do win? It is frozen sitation like in WW1. Zelensky is jew and Putin is also close to Chabat circles. Looks like killing as much goyim as possible is real victory. And so far you both winning a lot.
>>541488926This is incorrect. See: >>541488572Russians got beat by goat farmers. White people with even higher IQ are harder to enslave.
>>541488926can't eat money
>>541485376>little costs Delulu kremlinbot lolPeople can't afford gas and butter there and their amazon equivalent's logistics network has been bombed to shits by UA
>>541483306Trump nukes Moscow
>>541483306>putin suddenly dies of anal cancer>red army retreats to vladivostok
>>541483306That's good, no? Whores wanted equal rights then sure, but with equal rights come equal responsibilities. Enjoy the front lines, bitches.
>>541483664Lmao you are retarded if you think nato is going to accept 100k deaths in russia only poles are stupid enough, france, uk, us won't, and now way in hell places like Italy, spain, romania ect will, turkey would switch sides before sending troops to die
>>541485509Time for you to stop resisting and get to the front line. See you on some drone video in a few months. Bye.
>>541485994>it's all the same whether it's made domestic or abroad>ITS ALL THE SAMESo Russia can hit factories in Europe right? Its all the same ukranian factories right?>we dont fight a war we just supply ammunitions and weaponsniggers
>>541483306putain's overtopped and replaced and the subsequent guys want to start making money again. Russia pulls out, keeps the Crimea and everyone pretends nothing of this happened while EU and Russia pump funds into rebuilding Ukrainemight happen on it's own cause he's oldother than that, as long as Putain lives, I don't think he'll let go. Letting go would mean all this chimp out was completely for nothing and he would probably get thrown in jail or executed. he trapped himself in his own plan
>>541483329it says don't make babies, go to war
>>541494716All of his successors are more hard-line than him
>>541485628Not as close as this
>>541484051>every "ukrainian" weapon is being made in the west.that's your own propaganda sayingsure, there's a lot of western equipment, but hohols are improving at light speed with their own stuff
>>541494748consider this - putin dies, hardcore fags try to take over - people have enough and go by millions on the streets and guillotine everybodyalso when tehre's money to be made rarely anyone stays hard-line. Even Kim Dzong Un showed will to open to the West, like 10 years ago.
>>541483306The only scenario is if our government gets overtopped and replaced by a subject of Democrats similar to European governments and starts whoring our country like the Kiev's regime whores Ukraine out to enrich the ruling elite.
>>541483306What happened? Did they hit moscow last night or something?
>>541483329It's literally translated at the bottom>>541483664I still don't understand how is a coup supposed to end the war when Putin is among the less extreme options. Like what power faction in Kremlin is pro-Nato and pro-peace so a coup is supposed to make Russia accept defeat? If Putin does get replaced in a violent way it will be by someone who uses nukes or something drastically escalatory like thatNot even western military analysts consider it a smart idea it exists completely in nafo minds
>>541487546>nato
