Would you call this a victory?
>>541486200Of course not. We have no business meddling in Iran. Or in eastern Europe for that matter.
No. Also: Boomers would consider it Defeat too.Evidence: OP, your picture describes The Vietnam War special military operation era 1966 and 1967. Then the Tet Offensive broke morale, despite American and allied AVRNs stopping the Communist advance. Here is Walter Cronkite himself killing the war live on TV:https://youtu.be/XDmDO5xHidk?t=64Also pic related is from the official US Air Force Museum:https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/195936/fac-in-sea-the-other-war-out-of-country/
>>541486200.US doesn't have that much casualties if in a hypothetical match up. You're retarded.
>We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. They may be right, that Hanoi's winter-spring offensive has been forced by the Communist realization that they could not win the longer war of attrition, and that the Communists hope that any success in the offensive will improve their position for eventual negotiations. It would improve their position, and it would also require our realization, that we should have had all along, that any negotiations must be that -- negotiations, not the dictation of peace terms. >For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This summer's almost certain standoff will either end in real give-and-take negotiations or terrible escalation; and for every means we have to escalate, the enemy can match us, and that applies to invasion of the North, the use of nuclear weapons, or the mere commitment of one hundred, or two hundred, or three hundred thousand more American troops to the battle. And with each escalation, the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster.
>>541486428How dare you be so antisemitic. We must die for Israel's right to steal land and rape children
>>541486575I think it's more a comparison of the war his nation is in right now.
The full broadcast:https://youtu.be/V2ev-GalTng?t=1194sound familiar? It's basically what Iran is doing to us now around Baghdad, Dubai, UAE and similar places.
>>541486200>donal sabe us>the ebil royshins are attacking our jews>OY SLAVA OOKRANI
>>541486200Depends. What are the racial demographics of the American troops?
>>541486924yes it is. But my point is that Iran is using the same playbook against us now too, since we're making the same mistakes Russia has. Russia also made the same mistakes we did during their Afghanistan campaign in the 1980s that actually killed their country.
It’s a victory for Jews
>>541487037EMPIRE STATE KIKES HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHA
>>541486428>>541486575But>Iranian territory under US control: 20%>US territory under Iranian control: 0%Shouldn't Iran just surrender in this scenario since the US is inevitably going to win anyway?Iran wouldn't have won a single battle since 2026, how could they possibly end up winning here?Clearly anyone who thinks the US would have lost in that pic is a globohomo shill reddit tranny
>>541486200There is no way Americans would sustain such heavy losses and the Iranians so few. You're delusional.
>>541486200Regarding the implied Ukraine parallel:If the land gets integrated into the US with a largely ethnically american population, it would be retarded to argue that Iran won because it wasn't conquered completelyAs for a realistic invasion scenario - no, cause there's no good reason to get involved with arabs againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dILmZn0I4Pw
>>541486428LOL cuckYou lack the faustian sprit
>>541486200Vance is a nigger. Why didn't he invade from Iraq
>>541487068>Shouldn't Iran just surrender in this scenario since the US is inevitably going to win anyway?I know the point you're making but no, the US is not "inevitably" going to win. Americans cannot swallow $5 gas. Gas is already going to be $6 soon. At such prices, Americans cannot afford to go to work. Then Americans go bankrupt. There is no "inevitable" American victory, even with a million GIs and nukes. It's just more wasteland to march more troops through, more vets coming back with burns and disfigurements, and no gas.>Iran wouldn't have won a single battle since 2026, how could they possibly end up winning here?They don't need to win. They just need to not lose. Just like your country. All Iran must do, is hold out. Right now this is the case, as the leadership decapitation has encouraged Tehran's senate to make sufficient Continuity Of Government plans in case Trump does actually nuke them. Iran COG is that Generals get full authority to effectively act as Kings, and the Iranian people are willing to tolerate this as Trump is promising to murder them all, their children, and end their civilization. There is no arguing with that. Only full mobilization and war.Iran is ready for this war. Even if we nuke Tehran, over two million Iranian troops can march over the border into Iraq, meeting their shia milita friends who'd immediately defect. Just as they did in the 1980s Iran-Iraq War, which created all of Iran's modern officers. Trump cannot nuke Iraq without killing his own troops and destroying his allies with radioactive fallout, though if he did regardless Iran would use their own nukes (which they probably have now) for retaliatory strikes on Dubai, UAE and similar places permanently closing 20% of the world's oil supply. The crisis would utterly destroy Americans financially.Such is why Carter did not drop in 10,000 Marines as proposed to him during the Hostage Crisis. It's why Reagan didn't invade, why Bush Sr and Jr didn't invade.
>>541487068They can fight whoever and however long they want as long as they pay for it.It becomes an issue when they expect other countries to bankroll them forever, all because they couldn't sign a piece of paper that they won't join a military alliance against their neighborThe question is not if they "should" surrender, that's their problem. Or if losing most of your coastline is actually a rare species of victory - each side will say they won anyway. But for how long everyone else has to pay for a war "Iran" has shown zero ability to win over the last 5 years, and could have easily avoided
no that's jewish insanity
>>541486200yeah
>>541487469Anyway, this is how we get Trump focusing on Pickaxe Mountain and the nuclear "dust". Trump has not even disabled Iran's bomb program. He did successfully kill their leaders and diplomats, but this has no meaningful affect on military readiness. All the generals, soldiers, missiles and factories are still there. Trump blew his missile load chasing down low value but high media engagement targets, with the idea that media pressure could cause the IRGC to surrender to the Iranian Opposition. Of course Iran banned American TV long ago, so this idea is insane, and all of Iran's liberals were put into camps or killed within the first days of fighting. The proposed Iranian Exile Government, as proposed by people around Trump, is either a dying cancer victim or a literal, actual /soc/ poster who is openly homosexual and does not want children. Fox, Newsmax, OAN and people around it keep talking about these people as if they can just be flown in and anointed their leadership. This happens in the same breaths as they talk about closing down Cuba and annexing it as we did to Puerto Rico. It's insane and useless in the same way Greenland talk is. Note that Trump has not thought about annexing Panama again even though such an action would actually be useful to the US.
>>541487200Yeah that part doesn't make sense. The American losses could be accurate there's just no way the Iranians get out without losing millions.
>>541486200>Would you call this a victory?There is no limit to the number of Amerigoy I would sacrifice to keep Israel safe.
>>541487583>It becomes an issue when they expect other countries to bankroll them foreverPerhaps it would be in China's interest for their most powerful adversary to destroy their military and economy by getting stuck fighting Iran forever without having to deploy any Chinese troops, just a measly 5% of their annual defense budget
>>541486200Except that If this actually happened the casualities would be 10 million Iranians and maybe like 10 Americans
>>54148804610 Americans are already dead and Iran has not invaded Iraq yet. What's your plan for when Iran does that, again.
>>541486200>two million people dead or wounded>Iran can still sink oil tankers over much of the straitI don't want to imagine what the US economy would look like at that point
>>541486659>in a hypothetical match upRussia was supposed to steamroll Ukraine in le 3 days with little to no casualties, in every war game scenario theorized both by NATO and the Kremlin. And yet here we are.
>>541487068Are their any provinces of Iran that are majority White Americans? No. Then your comparison is FUCKING RETARDED.
>>541488046No casualties would definitely be high. Logistics hubs would be hammered by ballistic missiles and those mountains are jammed to the gills full of artillery. There's just no way to invade Iran when they actually have their shit together without taking huge losses. They also LOVE building tunnels and have done so for their entire history. Even being degenerated by Arab shit DNA they're still higher order humans.
>>541488779And if there were, it would be better to destroy all the cities in those American-majority provinces along with the American military and economy rather than just taking the Americans back home from a place where they don't belong?
>>541488046polish posters have solidified themselves as the dumbest motherfuckers on earth in the past 5 years. i really knew nothing about poland, but i get the jokes now.
>>541490303you don't make a statement then put a question mark at the end except in specific circumstances, that is not a question
>>541490430I meant "would it" but made a typo. It won't happen again, saar
>>541486200Wait a minute, this looks familiar?
>>541486200If Iran lost 43 million people in that scenario, while American population increased... well that would be quite an accomplishment
>>541492328Thankfully, Iran did not lose anywhere near that number in 4.5 years
>>541492482Indeed, they are smarter than you
>>541491013why did russia instead of going like a lance (blitzkrieg basically) towards kiev extended the frontline as much as possibleseems insane
>>541492509I don't know about that, our leader didn't die on the first day
>>541492594Is the overdue kikes worth half your population? Lmao the absolute state of the shills
>>541492656When did russia kill half of Ukraine's populationI've never heard of such an event
>>541486200That’s not where they would be invading from. That region doesn’t have the infrastructure and is off away from where the roads lead. The main buldges should be pushing out from mesopotamia and western Persis. See the 1941 British invasion for details.
>>541492731Never said it did, don't deflect and answer the question
>>541487068why don't you surrender to Russia then kek
>>541492812>Never said it didSo where is the accomplishment? >>541492328
>>541492926> Lost> KillSo tell me, how many people live in your country now?
>>541487777Holy numbers say so
>>541493038Not sure, what do the sources say? How many people live in my country now compared to 2021?
>>5414931986 people and a farm cow according to Intel Slava Z, the rest of the 30 million are all nato super soldiers
>>541486200>pidor tries to force he has less kia than russiakekaroooooooooooooo
>>541493686Do you have any non-russian source that says russia killed more ukrainians than vice versa
>>541486200I mean the straight of Hormuz would be open and under american control and if they perma annex the territory, they get additional.resources and other perks from it too. Also, it would prolong the US global empire for another 50 yearsat least. It wouldn't be a cliche hollywood total victory, but it would be counted as a solid victory by all historical standards.
>>541486200Boots on the ground in Iran when?
>>541495362This is stupid, Iran is not a threat to the US empireThey could just leave them alone and nothing would happen
>>541495461If they left them alone from the beginning or even befriended them, then they would have never been a problem, you're right. But now that they fucked around with them, the Iranians became such a huge problem that they are threatening the petro dollar and the ability of the US to protect the world's trading routes. IF the US leaves the middle east beses and gives up the shipping routes, they effectively stepped down as a world power the same day. Then the US is just a north atlantic, plus maybe north pacific regional power and that's it
>>541487068Only that 50% of your population is gone, and your entire GDP is loans from EU Ukraine lost 20% of its territory 50% of its population 100% of its economy And can’t even afford having elections. Tell us how big of a victory this is
>>541486200Dead zogbots is always a victory. Don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise. They'll die for Israel before ever stopping the US being overrun by h1b and illegal immigration.
>>541496148>russia is still stuck in the donbas after 4.5 years fighting a country without an economyvery big victory saar
Kek
>>541496634drafting foids status
