Green foid edition https://www.youtube.com/live/0df9TJdy1rM
kill all liberals
>>541512293100%>>5415123401000%
>>541512632Being at this horrific murder trial is so fun and exciting for these cunts. Tee hee!
Sprague is doing good. All facts no theatrics
>>541512632The woman in green is a journalist. She just wanted the spotlight on herself because she's a woman. She said he parents told her she looked sad on camera, to which I say, you're at a murder trial
>>541512744Retards, bitches literally do this every single day and have been for decades. It's as common as "mass shootings" anymore and the media hardly covers it. This happens in every town and city.
1st for patrick is a maga
>>541512632The green foid wasn’t the only smiley one.
>>541512773>The woman in green is a journalistNot anymore she's not.
>>541512773She got fired already
>>541512632American women are worse than you thinkBloody hell what a broken country
>>541512759No matter how gruesome the event, you can rest assured some foid is around giggling and acting cutesy-sexy.
>>541512799Yes it has been happening forever but now there's actually incentive within society to do it so it's going to happen even more.
>>541512834>>541512816Really?
>>541512816She’s just independent now.
>>541512632Tell me again? What difference between niggers and white Cunts?.
>>541512764Low key impressed by the prosecutionThey're better then the Casey Anthony clown crew that let her ride
>>541512632Round house kick women.
Chicken nuggets led to chris watts going crazy same with lindsay case closed
>>541512632FOIDSLOP THREAD
Georgia Foid
>>541512632doesn't seem like an impartial jury
>>541512632How is this case amusing wtf.Even if you have a belief that she isn't the monster that everyone else things she is, it is a extremely sad and fucked up story. She was living on a constraint cocktail of pharmaceuticals and snapped, then killed her kids. I really dont think that the bitch who killed her kids would laugh at anything now or later. That uncanny jew one in the front is the worst. Wtf even is that?
>>541512874
>>541512959The foidest-possible, as a matter of fact.
>>541512864Men do it too, and regularly, but women do it more imo. What will happen now though is these vile witch cunts will start keeping score and trying to one-up the last one for even more fame.
>>541512744This will reverse womens rights
ban exercise
>>541512632
>>541512632That ghoul looks pretty fucking scary
>>541513015>Italian womanSame as a jew
>>541513021Yeah it wouldn't surprise me if they start keeping a leaderboard for best-possible K:D ratio as well as amount of money donated by other foids to legal defense.
I kind of want to watch this, but I just can't stand listening to women for extended periods of time.
why wasn't lindsay questioned by police?
damn she killed each kid one by one by taking them into the basement? throw this bitch into the ocean
>tiktok detectives saying that her husband framed herWhat is the logic behind it?
>>541513221He looks untrustworthy because hes an average looking white guy that gives them the ick.
>>541513221>Logic
>>541513221emotional reasoning
they should livestream this
>>541512632I don't know why do they love killing children are women the kikes of genders?
>>541513221he's a gemini. i wish i was trolling you anon just go check it out yourself
>>541513221he white
>>541513205Imagine being led down to the basement by your mom then seeing your dead siblings before you turn around to look at her and she suddenly begins to strangle you.
>>541513221He is a leo
>>541513221He has teleportation powers. A tiktok psychic told me so. He's literally a G*mini
>>541512632yes, I would have sex with female Freddie Mercury
>>541513327>*discordant violin grows louder*
>>541513221Modernity + estrogen-brain
She was likely dating well beyond her SMV prior to her husband and probably felt humiliated to settle with a beta like Patrick. She "settled". Women despise the man she settles for. Every time she saw those kids, she felt disgusted on a primal level as they were sub par genetically. Her hypergamous programming led her to kill the kids. Her mind and body were telling her to rid herself of the offspring and chase the "alpha", "Chad" or whatever you want to call it. Women will gleefully destroy their lives when they get impregnated by Chad. They're thrilled to have Chad Jr even if it derails their lives and they have to drop out of school or leave their careers. You really only see this postpartum mental illness stuff when the father is ugly or painfully average looking. They're filled with sadness and resentment at reproducing with a man with low quality genetics. I'm convinced this is some kind of built-in evolutionary last ditch failsafe to stop bad genes from propagating. Women know subconsciously what she did and why. They all agree, but everything else they say about it is just to justify their primal feelings on the matter.
>>541513340For a second I had no idea what you meant because I haven't talked or even thought about horoscopes for at least 15 years
>SHUT IT DOWN
>>541513221Forensic astrology + his eyes looked kind of mean when he was reliving memories of his children being murdered
>>541512632>hears voice one time>aight betWhat did she mean by this
>>541513221This not guilty verdict is like the last infinity stone for the foids. They are just parroting whatever narrative they think will make that verdict the most likely.
My foid fatigue is worse than it ever has been for the 35 years I’ve been alive
>>541513463
>>541513327she separated them so that none of them could see what had happened to their sibling(s) and panic/run off/scream. one of the bodies was locked in a little room next to the home office. awfully methodical for someone who was briefly psychotic, no?
>>541513540>Sagittariusit's pretty accurate
>>541513576You are sounding like an incel
>>541513527No matter the verdict it will get worse.
>>541513540>often fall asleep while fuckingGuilty as charged
i think the jury has heard all they can at this point time to wrap it up chubby
This case is making me develop a genuine hatred for women.
>>541513603this
>>541513527I'm over 50 and watching these bitches support this monster is the final straw. Women are dead to me.
>>541513527how do i find a female that wont kill my kids/divorce rape me and isnt in favor of killing children or jewish leftist propaganda? im not dating browns. serious question
>>541513603Takes one to know one!
>>541512845And India is a trash heap fecal mass
>>541513540>chances of employment and monetary gain are niltoo close to reality
>>541513654Be Chad
>>541513540based
>>541513654It's a lottery. A fucking gamble. Nice Topshop ID.
>>541513603jewish deflection for not proving wrong.
>>541513654Be tall, naturally handsome with a good voice
>>541513654Move to North Korea
>>541513725>gambleBefore all this I described it as playing Russian Roulette with one empty chamber, now it’s way worse
>>541513654Not possible. They only exist in our imagination.
>>541513221>What is the logic behind it?Womyn? Retarded negress will take the b8 and say "we are so close"
>>541513599More like fagittarius
>>541513812More like suckahairyass
>>541513811In fairness she said that harvey weinstein was innocent so it cancels out
>>541513784I've been divorced raped and the damage she willingly did to our children for her own gain stays with them and me. Women only care about themselves.
>>541513784Yeah now it's like Russian roulette with a pinless grenade.
What porn to jack off to during the jury break?
>>541512632I remember her from that dumb movie.
>>541513540My aquarius enjoyed sucking dick need, I still remember those heads
>>541513980bogged
>>541513811Did Charlie kirk and time traveling sumerians visit Candace in her dreams and tell her that Lindsay's husband is a mossad agent and the kids were sacrificed to Baal to strengthen the control jews and Israel have on the world?
That was it? Tubby barely made an argument. Whose side is she on?
>>541513002>a constraint cocktail of pharmaceuticalsThis is a lie. She refused almost all of her medications.
>>541513980pierced nipples
>>541513980Tickle torture with forced orgasms
>>541513654>isnt in favor of killing children or jewish leftist propaganda? im not dating browns. Even le based retarded negress said that le womyn innocent
>>541514026*Aquarius gf*Indeed
>>541512632what the fuck....
kek please let this be a hung jury i need more lulz
>>541512632If she’s found not guilty, how long will she stay in the mental hospital? She doesn’t have psychosis anymore, so how does that work
>>541513221Women are perfect. Men are evil.
>>541514045Probably
subversion judge
>>541513890But Harvey Weinstein isn't jewish?
>>541514151He's still mad the prosecutor brought up Catholicism
This judge sounds like a retard desu
>>541513540i DO like jerking off more than sex
>>541514218I think he's just reading a script
>>541512632All jewish
>>541514218and he talks like a fag too
>muh commonwealth
>>541512632the chat has to be trolling... so many people saying not guilty or that the husband did it.
I don't care about this case.
The judge is a complete fag and has been this whole time. Still I say, guilty verdict incoming
>>541514317It's yt chat of course it's botted af
>>541514317>trollingThats just what the majority of women believe right now. Check their names all foids
>>541513456>They're filled with sadness and resentment at reproducing with a man with low quality genetics.if this were true more coalburners would kill their niglets. truth is women just aren't sentient.
>>541513540>I never do it right the first timeGuilty as charged.
>>541514124She is released immediately and given a job at a daycare.
>>541514317they're not trolling desu, they're genuinely this retarded
>>541514391I just checked and its all women saying not guilty
>>541514327I wouldn’t get your hopes up. The white pill here is that no matter the verdict men’s collective attitude towards women has soured greatly because of this. Even simps are starting to feel the fatigue
this judge sounds relentlessly jewish
>>541514492reminder these are the same women who will cheat on you and then say it never happened
>>541514492Its mostly white women too blaming patrick
>>541514492how is it even possible to be this retarded though.
>>541514317women were trained to think that murdering babies in the womb is oknow they are being trained to think that murdering babies outside of the womb is ok toonone of us can comprehend how bad the future is going to be
>>541514395For a tribal society niggers are pretty well off genetically
>>541513540I am an Aries and can confirm this is 100% accurate. I don't actively want to be mean to people but it just comes naturally due to the lack of patience.
>>541514492>gave birth eight months ago>postpartumdamn these cunts are retarded
>>541514492Women are retarded and evil, news at 7
>>541514566they are women welcome to the party pal
HOLY YAPPERINO
Ive said it several times and I'll say it again:women are NO LONGER satisfied with abortion, they now want the right to kill children after they're born
>>541514561>it’s telling that patrick and his family have never seen nor spoken to her since that night lmao she killed the family holy shit these bitches are hilarious
>>541514323Then why are you even here you fucking faggot?
>>541513015>vanity fairFigures, that's an open sewer for the transmission of leftist "thoughts".
Look at him he knows it’s over. Court commentators saying jury was engaged and emotional during Prosecutions closing
>>541514663An extra degree of power over men.Keep them at heel.
>>541513221The same with pol: just them projecting their unresolved trauma on to someone else.
Why is the judge saying this now and not before the closing speech?
Wish it was a Texas jury hearing this. This demon bitch needs the needle, justice demands it.
Uhh, womanbros...?Why hasn't the defense mentioned her being a Leo? Is this trial rigged? Did the incels bribe the defense?
>>541514674shes not guilty chud. get over it.
>>541514571Don't forget that euthanizing your grandparents in a suicide booth is also ok in leftist countries like Canada now.
This is why the prophet Mohammed said a woman's word in court is half as valuable as a man's
>>541512632>all those insane foidsOn the plus side the level of grip in that room, combined, is higher than the bite force of a salt-water crocodile.
>>541514735>AHHH IM COMPELLED BY TOURETTES TO AIR-JERK OFF>never compelled to lift her shirt upCurious... very curious.
>>541514699He is an all-out fucking freak. He was attempting clever use of language that was extremely female-coded to play on emotions to convince the female jurors to follow their feefees rather than the facts.
>>541514735Fucking CHUD incels told the NAZI judge that she should be prosecuted. SHES SICK! What part of POST PARDUM FUCKING DEPRESSION don't they get?! SHE'S A FUCKING LEO! Leo's don't kill lmao like duh, k? fucking fat old ass racist fucking chud incel bitch ass judge :3
>>541513654Fuck her more then once a day don't let her say no
>>541513221>woman>logicanon, i..
>>541514853Murder is murder. Nobody cares about female excuses.Thou shalt not kill.
I think white women are blaming Patrick because he remarried to some Latina. I dont know why else
>>541514929Guess he likes his women crazy
>>541512632Femdyndus
>>541514913Shall not murder. Sometimes you gotta kill, God knows.
>literally the same women who said you need to trust the experts and the science don’t trust experts or science>but men can’t speak on PPD because they aren’t experts by virtue of not having a biology that hates youI think im done with foids
>>541514870i genuinely believe every single time a female tells you "no", she is deliberately taunting you to rape her/correct her. they all have rape fantasies anyway. "no sex" "no making out" whatever, doesnt matter. its all a shit test and she wants you to rape her. all of this assuming you are mildly attractive of course
>>541513540Well I do have talent, so I dont see how this is accurate for Sagittarius. Sounds to me like the person writing this has an issue with my superiority lol
I keep hearing a PS4 beeping on...
>>541512632>don't believe an expert just because they are an expertBased
>>541514913Yeah, no shit. I've had to live through an insanity plea sixteen years ago. This shit isn't fun. Especially when they're actually successful in their plea. I pray that this bitch is found guilty and is put to death.
>>541514986That's fine. I'm a fan of specificity of language.
>>541514663It's immunity to accountability that is their ultimate goal. Acquitting a murderer is just the final step towards that goal because once you can convince people that a woman can't legally be held accountable for the premeditated murder of her own children, then what could we possibly hold a woman accountable for?
>you are now forgetting everything the big woman said, you are absorbing new information>you are forgetting what you learned>you are forgetting how you felt
i just donated again
The defense got fucked. He didnt even talk about the day of the murder, the timeline, or any facts of the case. Emotion emotion emotion and hearsay. She is going to be found guilty niggas
>>541514929>I think white women are blaming Patrick because he remarried to some Latina.Out of the frying pan and into the fire, I guess.
>>541514999Of course women are like niggers a slave to their instincts
>>541515150>He didnt even talk about the day of the murder, the timeline, or any facts of the case. Emotion emotion emotion and hearsayHalf the jury are women
>don't take notes
>>541515117Yeah he is giving this long-winded speech to remind the jury this entire fiasco has more gaslighting around it than a rubber raft crossing the Med into Europe has niggers. They have to forget their emotional involvement which is very obviously being forced upon them by the lunatics defending this and the defense attorney. All you have to do is look at the facts: did she do it? Yes. Okay guilty. Done. We will have a verdict today.
If Lindsay gets a 1st degree guilty verdict Sprague is a legend for that closing argument. >Cora dreamed of being a doctor and a mom>Dawson dreamed of being a fireman >Callan never even got the chance to dream of his future at all
>>541515353>We will have a verdict today.hope so
>>541515353Tomorrow or Monday probably. There’s always at least one retard woman the others have to convince.
>>541513021>Men do it too,Did someone accept the chicken nuggie defense for Chris Watts? Did he get a million bucks?
Did he choose Uncle Ruckus as the foreman?
Chudbros we got too cocky
>>541513980Indian woman getting stretched out by Big Chinese Cocks.
>>541515150if there's a single woman on that jury they will let her go to reward herthe only justice she'll get is from a lynch squad of men
>>541515333White women? Because black women would nail this bitch to a cross. >fuk dat yt ho, she guilty! ugly ah bitch! die ho, you gon burn in hell!!!!
>>541515507FUCK
It would suck to be an alternate, desu.
side story. i once was taking daily injections of trenbolone and was so horny and jerked off to tranny self shots. But when i stopped taking it, i resumed back to lesbian porn.point is, i think she's not guilty because she was irresponsibly prescribed these medications by licensed psychiatrists which led to her altered state of mind.
>>541515089>I pray that this bitch is found guilty and is put to death.It's Massachusetts. No death penalty. Prison sheboons might kill her cause of yt privilege though.
>>541513980EDP445 AI goon fuel
>>541515627What's the max she's facing, just life?
I don’t think giving the evil eye to the jury is the move
>>541515627she's crippled so I'm not sure if she'd go into the general pop where a wild sheboon could kill her
it's a lottery?
GROUNZ
>>541513221Riot at the courthouse, multiple females shot by officers
>>541515626You're just gay. I'm on 600mg tren ace this very moment and I've never sought tranny porn.
>>541515626>watch gay porn>take medicine>watch gay porn>stop taking medicine>watch gay pornliterally all you saidlmaogay nigga!
>>541515708It’s how they decide the final jury. Basically there are spare jurors that have been there the whole time in case they have to replace a juror. Not all can be on the final jury. Does that make sense?
>>541515749Tren is known to cause homosexuality though. Everyone reacts differently
>>541515626Nigga, you gay!
>>541515818ok, thanks
>>541515604Not sure. But all it takes is one liberal white woman with enough resolve to sit there for days until a hung jury is declared.
>>541512632Guess I'll go take a nap now.
>>541515704kek wonder how the swifties would handle that one
Rigged but she’s still getting a guilty verdict
This people have internet , no? Why this people believe in Leo and Blood type shit? I get finding tarot cards interesting in fiction / videogames. But this is stupid
>>541515916Yeah hes walking. 9 foids will want her free and the 3 men will vote guilty to simp or so they stop nagging
stop glazing them they are not going to fuck you
>>541515916So its basically up to the men.
>>541515821Nah it just makes you so horny you're more willing to act on urges you normally wouldn't. If you're hitting up grinder on tren, you were probably already sorta gay.
>>541513540>be cancer>mfw
>>541515626This. Same thing happened to me. I even had to get a doctor's note to prove to my boss that I'm not a fanook
>>541515992I don’t think so. One of the guys is an old black man if he says guilty they’ll roll with it so they don’t appear racist
>>541513540>Most Sagittarius are drunksGuilty as charged
>>541515626Good point.
>>541516009It will lead to government intervention. Judges in the future will be vetted against any forms of sympathy with the defendant
So now its like one or two days right?
>>541515704If she gets the NGRI, I’d bet actual money they keep her at Tewksbury, at least at first, because where the fuck else are they gonna put someone who is simultaneously a high-profile forensic psych patient, wheelchair-bound, and medically complicated as hell? Tewksbury already has DMH psych units, court-involved patients, 24/7 nursing, rehab, wound care, PT/OT, the whole cursed DLC package, and she’s already been living there for years. Worcester Recovery Center is probably the only serious runner-up, especially since there was apparently already talk of transferring her there before, but unless they decide she no longer needs the heavier medical support, Tewksbury makes the most sense. So basically >gets found not criminally responsible >everyone imagines spooky Arkham asylum >reality is probably same damn hospital, tighter forensic status, court commitment paperwork, security restrictions, and annual reviews forever.zip.
At this point, the case has turned into a national security issue.
bitch didn't even bother to stand up
>>541515626guilty of faggotry in the first degree
judge is a bitch
Pray for justice bros
the reaction from women on this case has been the most blackpilling event this year
>>541515626This is why I come here for my news and opinions.
>>541516125Hopefully that will be extrapolated to all legal matters so that thieves, violent offenders, murderers, and all recidivists receive maximum punishment and are extricated from society entirely. We live in a world where the two-percenters hold the other 98% of society permanently hostage thanks to a pathetic "justice" system led by moronic judges who have entirely too much sympathy for criminals along with a society that expends way too much effort shaming and gaslighting victims.
>>541513456You’re forgetting that a baby has genes from the mother and father. Women are propagating their bad genes too—and I'd say they propagate bad genes more frequently because they’re more likely to have children anyway.
>>541515626the smartest tranny lover
>>541516376women have been mindraped by netflix crime documentariesthey genuinely dont understand this is real life that is why they are smiling and waving to the camera they think they are on some show
>>541512632I can't wait to kill my babies too.
>>541513654You need to be top SHOP my brotha
>>541516698yas kween, fucking SLAY! that baby probably would be a fucking nazi anyway or some transphobe racist especially if it's a boy. you should literally snap his little neck :)
>>541512632I hate w*men so much it's unreal
>>541513153
I think Prosecution landed the plane. Defense closing was a Biden tier bumbling mess.
>>541516570That's the neat part, women ARE the incelmakers
>>541513654>What's a winning strategy for Russian Roulette?
>>541516698are you a women? define it nigga
>>541513654Unironically, the Mormon church. Closest a white man can be to a Muslim man in his own home without sodomising a goat or a young boy.Thank me later.
>>541516944What the women in the video are thinking.....
>>541516989Mormons are the biggest jew supporters lol
>>541512632Witch phenotype againHang and burn these cunts
We are officially on Jury Watch
bored nowjust legalize abortion already mr trump
>>541512632Cluster B crew represent
>>541517181unanimous verdict: "fuck niggers"
>>541513540Hmm, I wondered where my obsession with fellatio came from.
>>541517050Utterly false. No I will not elaborate, and yes, you will miss out.
>>541517470>sucks cocks>>541517582>um ackshually they hate jews you should totally join themShalom
Law And Crime just doxxed and tried to villainize a jurror for not taking notes like a 20iq african. SHE IS TRYING TO GET THIS THROWN OUT!!!
>>541512886>steals your childrenWhite women love killing babies
>>541517886Doxed how?
>>541517886What do you mean, twin? link me that shit. I'll dox the fuck out of that (((Law and Crime))) skank
>>541517991she gave a detailed account of what the juror looked like and where he was seated. That is doxxing.
>>541518068>That is doxxing.No it isn't. Naming is doxxing.
Apparently the foreperson is a woman in her 70s who took a fuck ton of notes and seemed to be favoring the prosecution in her reactions during the trial
>>541518264Does she do a little foreplay
>>541512632Imagine what he would do to them.
Lots of banger quotes in closing but damn was this one true
Sierra Gillespie is my dream wife, Lindsay Clancy pre pregnancy also.
If these kids were part nigger, would Clancy have strangled them?
>>541518128ur a raped bitch who probably watches nick Fuentes
>>541516211Time to open bets on a foid chimpout or chud gunner
>>541518902I am not. I'm a 50+ yo family man that wants this bitch strung by the neck from a helicopter and flown around America as they attach every bitch that supported her on the same rope.
The jury is all female, she will walk, sadly
From the DSM-5 itself: >Peripartum-onset mood episodes can present either with or without psychotic features. Infanticide is most often associated with postpartum psychotic episodes that are characterized by command hallucinations to kill the infant or delusions that the infant is possessed, but psychotic symptoms can also occur in severe postpartum mood episodes without such specific delusions or hallucinations. >Postpartum mood (major depressive or manic) episodes with psychotic features appear to occur in from 1 to 500 to 1 in 1,000 deliveries and may be more common in primiparous women. The risk of postpartum episodes with psychotic features is particularly increased for women with prior postpartum mood episodes but is also elevated for those with a prior history of a depressive or bipolar disorder (especially bipolar I disorder) and those with a family history of bipolar disorders. >Once a woman has had a postpartum episode with psychotic features, the risk of recurrence with each subsequent delivery is between 30% and 50%. Postpartum episodes must be differentiated from delirium occurring in the postpartum period, which is distinguished by a fluctuating level of awareness or attention. The postpartum period is unique with respect to the degree of neuroendocrine alterations and psychosocial adjustments, the potential impact of breast-feeding on treatment planning, and the long-term implications of a history of postpartum mood disorder on subsequent family planning. At trial, defense psychiatrist Dr. Phillip Resnick testified that Clancy was “frankly psychotic” and experiencing a command hallucination and a delusion of influence. Clancy reportedly described hearing a male voice telling her to kill her children and herself, which is very close to the clinical phenomenon the DSM passage specifically discusses.Resnick testified that Clancy had severe depression, some manic symptoms, and ultimately diagnosed bipolar disorder with major depression.
>>541519417She's a witch that is demonically possessed and committed a sacrificeShe must fry
>if you kill people while you're mentally ill>you're innocent>because people who murder people normally are very sane and mentally healthyGive the the millions!
>>541519307I still have hope that most normal, not-chronically-online women will see her as evil beyond beyond redemption. I guess we'll see though.
>>541512632They act the same way at any age.
>>541514986Not you own children as toddlers...
>>541519417These bitches need to stick it to Satan. That mans voice? Satan. He tricked em into eating the fruit and now he has sovereignty over them. Bitch just say>get behind me SatanAnd love your children cause if you kill or harm a little one, there is a special place in hell for you.
>>541519307Yeah I was thinking this was murder 1 hands down. But I'm seeing some women on the jury were crying during the defense's closing arguments when he was talking about the medical system or whatever. The women will probably wear the men down.
>>541512632Linsey Clancy's: Operation Chokepoint
>>541515626Bullshit. I was on ALL those fuckers. Seroquel. Wellbutrin, Cymbalta, Lexpro, Trazadone, Xanax, and klonopin and probably a few I am forgetting. I didn't kill anybody. I just walked around fucked up and crashing into shit with my car. Then I realized I could trace my issues directly to those fucking prescriptions, so I quit cold turkey and never want back to the psychiatrists. I learned was a glorified drug dealer. I was miserable from the withdraws for about a year. There is a Buddhist concept called the "monkey mind" where you acknowledge your fucked up thoughts, examine them, understand what they are, and then ignore them. You don't act like the fucked up detritus of your consciousness is an instruction manual.
>>541520208I've been on:Seroquel (many years ago)Never did WellbutrinOr CymbaltaOr LexaproStill have a bunch of TrazXanax many years agoWas addicted to Klonopin for about 10 years straight. Never murdered anybody but Klonopin made me not ever give a fuck. I'd drive around on a couple 1mg kpin, go home, order DoorDash, go out to eat, go shopping, etc. Was a fun time, honestly.
>>541520208All those meds are you a fucking good nigga?
>>541512922Nuggie problems require nuggie solutions
