here's the most honest take on the Ukraine war1. HISTORYfor over 500+ years Poland and Lithuania separately (as well as part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth) invaded Russia multiple times, and fought many wars against Russia/Muscovy over the control of the region, which is today known as "Ukraine"2. MAIDANthe main sponsors of the EaP project in 2009 (which resulted in Maidan revolution) were Poland and Lithuania (you can look it up, ask Grok, Gemini, ChatGPT, it will say the main sponsors were Poland and Lithuania + Sweden)3. REVANCHISMPoland/Lithuania joined EU and NATO with the primary incentive to be "protected" by them from Russia. But then they built their entire foreign policy on using EU and NATO mechanisms to oppose Russia.- Lithuania blocked gas transit from Russia to Germany (2006+)- Yanukovich had to go to Lithuania to announce his rejection of EU integration.- Poland was involved in and celebrated destruction of Nord Stream.- Lithuania helped and celebrated anti-Lukashenko revolt in 2020.- Poland today houses anti-Belarus opposition.- Poland today is the main supplier of weapons to Ukraine against Russia.- Poland and Lithuania+Estonia are actively calling for pre-emptive strikes against Russia in Kaliningrad.4. UKRAINIAN INDEPENDENCE if you read history books, you'll know that people of the region known today as "Ukraine" fought for centuries not only against Russia, but also against Poland and Lithuania.5. IDEOLOGICAL EXTREMISMthe involvement of UK, EU, USA in the Ukrainian war is entirely driven by ideological incentive (ex: End of History, Cosmopolitanism, Neo-Functionalism) and have absolutely nothing to do with the real interests/needs of European people, or European security.For those saying the war was sparked by CIA/Mi6 - you're right, but those 2 organisations themselves have no idea why they did it.
>>541517974>the real interests/needs of European peopleMy interest is tzd
>>541517974Russia needs to bomb Poland, it would be super funny if they did this
>>541517974Russia attacked Ukraine unprovoked in a war of conquest.It is that simple. No need for your mental gymnastics.
yuroweenies be like something bad happend centuries ago and we're still mad about it and want to kill you for it
>>541517974>>541518947Pro Russians buttbelters are annoying as anti Russian ones with their shitty threads.
>>541517974what is happening?we need spy reports
>>541517974words words wordsWhat matters is this chimpout is ruining peoples lives. Literally, as in people are dying and also ruining property and other things.
>>541518858>unprovokedoh really?
>>541520664Yup
>>541520664Yeah
>>541518947As a deracinated American it’s almost impossible to wrap my brain around this. I just don’t have the reference points to really truly understand it.>The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Kingdom of Kivan Rus blah blah blah Like who the hell cares? Those people are dead.And have been dead for hundreds of years. Move on.It’s like when Putin went on Tucker’s show and started talking about this historical shit it’s like dude focus on today. Nobody cares.
I just want TZD. I bet op is a ruskaje radio subhuman
>>541521650>Like who the hell cares? Those people are dead.Most people don't look that far, but you don't need to, you can look at 19th and 20th century. My grandma is still alive and she lived through the WW2 on the eastern front. My grandfather almost got shot by red army soldiers while just walking with his brother and another guy from the village. He really fucking hated Russians, to the point it's hard to understand for people who didn't live through it, for understandable reasons. So you can understand why these things still linger. But I'm speaking from simple persons perspective, not something like Putin who talks about "indivisible Russian nation" or geopolitics or whatever.
>Straight Kremlin psychotic bullshit>"here's the most honest take on the Ukraine war"lol
>>541518858>any nuance between my toddlers take on the world is "mental gymnastics"
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>>541522070Nuance is KGB was trying and is trying all sorts of shit OP doesn't mention. Nuance is that russia lost underhanded spy part and instead of taking the L it chimped out and rolled in with tanks. So yes it is just elaborate mental gymnastics to dismiss russia acting like a nigger.
>>541522070Nuance is a liberal word and anyone who says it is making a bad faith argument
Talking does nothing as all Ukraine supporters are Jews, shills or just completely brainwashed cattle with no morals left. They are impossible to convince or even lead to more moderate stances. Anyone who was confused at the start gave up a year or two into the war when faced with schizoganda and constant lies and crimes of the regime there (including against their own non-Russian population). What’s left are hardcore. At this point violence is the only recourse, even fucking Putin finally understood that.
Tldr don’t care pussia will burn and I will stay comfy
I mean it’s gotten so bad that nuclear war is a better proposition than what this vermin has in store for the non-Jewish humanity. Neither Russia, nor Iran nor China should give them a single inch.
>>541521885I mean my grandfather had an issue with the Japanese for the rest of his life. Would never buy a Japanese car. It doesn’t personally affect me. >>541520034>What matters is this chimpout is ruining peoples lives. Literally, as in people are dying and also ruining property and other things.This is basically my view. The whole thing is completely insane. Even crazier is that nobody had been able to end it after realizing what a totalshitshow it is.
oh look it's that noviop rusnigger in shithuania spamming this shit againget a job, nigger. and learn lithuanian finally
>>541518858>Russia attacked Ukraine unprovoked in a war of conquest.Russia counter-attacked Ukraine following R2P mandate after Ukraine used NATO assistance to slaughter Ukrainian citizens who didn't support NATO policy
>>541525517That is mental gymnastics alright.
Russia is getting poorer every day.
>>541525517>russia counterattack because ukraine attacked its own citizensWow, how much you have to be retarded to believe in such bullshit? Like its not only a lie but a terrible lie xd
>>541526266>>541526573it's official though, Russia used R2P
>>541517974>Neighbouring countries have interests and history didn't start in 2014/2022And?> Poland and Lithuania+Estonia are actively calling for pre-emptive strikes against Russia in KaliningradBased, "Kaliningrad" shouldn't exist. And we should remove Russian forces from Moldova.
booba tea
Surely spamming this thread a few more times will save Russia!
>>541531476he's also resetting the router now lolhe should just get a job and is seething because he doesn't want to learn lithuanian after living for 30 years in LITHUANIA
>>541517974none of these things come even close to providing a sensible justification for the invasion
>>541527388>R2PRape2Pay does sound Russian, yes.
