>bro, my book says he existed>some random Jew 100 years later said he existed>no, I can't prove he existedAre the Abrahamics retarded?
Pretty sure some Roman dudes wrote about him. I trust them.
>>541521793typical christcuck cope is along the lines of>WELL HOW DO YOU KNOW ALEXANDER EXISTED THEN HMMMMMMMMMM???or with other greatest figures in history, all of which have tangible evidence of their existence, all except jewsus
>>541521909no roman wrote about him contemporaneously one jewish scholar wrote about him maybe, depends how you interrpret the passage. Josephus was his name. Literally no proof jesus ever lived outside of jewish derived fairy tales
>>541521793Jesus isn't Christ
>>541521793>all the witnesses say he was real>the romans too>jews claim he lived but that he's in hell not heavenSo uh...who doesn't say he's real? Edgy atheists living 2000 years later? No one questions if the buddha actually lived in 500BC, nor if mohammad was a real person, so why jesus?
>>541521793Nobody except for 19th century German retards with a political agenda ever thought this was a made up person. Not even Jews, who said he was a sorceror
>>541522109>Josephus was his name.No it wasn't. It was that gut who flew the plane. Pilot.
>>541521793no he existed but everything about him is false much like moses, david and mohamed. but abraham, adam and noah and the rest of prehistoric jew characters didn't exist at all
>>541522178greentexting it doesn't make it true
>>541521793He is real. "Before Abraham was, I AM."And even before you start frothing at the anus you call a mouth, there is more reliable proof in the scriptures of historical accuracy in the reality of Jesus Christ, and His resurrection, than the existence of Alexander the Great. Yet nobody is clamoring to say that Alex wasn't real. The only reason our Lord and Savior is so commonly denigrated is because Satan is the prince of this world and he would have believe anything at all other than to put your faith, trust, and loyalty to the God who Loves you. His kingdom is not of this world. Heaven and Earth will pass away, but His Word will remain. His word is His Logos, the mind of His creation, there before the angels, the first Spirit itself, taken on the flesh of His creates children to show them the way home.All else is coping and seething.
>>541521793Romans wrote about him, he was real
>>541522176>Jesus is Christfixed it fer ya
Jesus Christ was a myth, the messiah circuit is easily thirteen thousand years older than the Old Testament, which claims to be old, but is only about 2000 years old.Egypt was 16000 years ago. These kid killing cock carving and paper hanging sodomite Jews are not 3700 years old, they are between 8 and 13 thousand years old.Jews don't give themselves enough credit. The exodus of Egypt, you know it as Exodus ten, is back when Egypt was new. A person embodied the role back in Palestine and did the Jesus Christ things, and got murdered for it, yes it's a real man, but the documents that Jesus Christ read between the age of 8 and 21, before he started his ministry, told him to do everything he did.Which means the spirit of the Christ that you're after, is older than Jesus Christ. The old Testament, the ten thousand years before Christ, has all the ingredients of the new testament resurrection in it. And this can be proven beyond all shadow of a doubt.The role is Mythology that goes back to Egypt as a colony. However the Man, the Messiah as the Christ, who stood up to the goat fucking Jews in Palestine, is not a myth, it's a real man trying to play out what he read in what to him was ancient scripture, 2000 years ago in the year 0 to the year 33AD when they killed him for it.The re-telling of the stories Used Numerology and Gamatria of Religions that even back then were ancient.Religion didn't get created in Palestine by the goat faced Cain Brother Murdering faggot Carthaginians, the man simply embodied the Messiah story, and turned fantasy and ancient ideologies from 2000 years ago, into reality.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbcZv4qOg8 So it's kind of both. The role that Jesus Christ lifted was from what to him was Scripture, the mind-bendingly ancient teachings from when Egypt was new 16000 years ago. But the Man did it all, and using the names of God through the Kholhahnim Sanhedrin, created the Christian variation on Kid Killing Judaism
>>541522243What's a "Christ"?
>>541521793>Religion is about documented historical evidence You can't be this stupid
>>541521793Reminder that christcucks worship a circumcised Semite as God but don’t want to be like their God, ie get circumcised.
>>541522229>Logosoh God not this fictional deviantart fanfic logos, loosh, demigurg crap again.
>>541522284>What's a "Christ"?Baptized. Like he was the disciple of John The Baptist.
>>541521793He probably existed, was probably an interesting dude, but the walking on water virgin birth stuff is completely horseshit and the most jewish crap ever.But /pol/ christcucks in their infinite wisdom buy all of it hook line and sinker and think some errant quotes here and there make him the enemy of the jews without bothering to explain why crossniggers destroyed pagans in a generation but kept jews around for 2000 years.Anyone who just browses Roman art knows the christcuck is a severely degenerated retard compared to pagan rome. Byzantine art looks like a kindergarteners crayon doodles in comparison to the height of the Roman republic and Augustus.
>>541522350The Snake did nothing wrong
>>541522229Matthew 24:36Jesus then said, 'Nobody knows the day or the hour when all these things will happen. Only God the Father knows when they will happen.
>people seethe at Jesus even 2000 years lateryep, he is the living God
>>541522312>fiction is historical evidenceRetarded memeflaggot
>>541521793Isa, known as Jesus in Christianity, is mentioned in the Quran as a prophet and messenger of Allah, born of a virgin, and referred to as the Messiah. He is recognized for performing miracles and is prophesied to return before the Day of Judgment.
>>541522312if you're gonna claim your book is the inerrant divine word of god you better come with receipts you stupid christjewdon't forget you have unironically mass murdered, tortured, mutilated genitals and oppressed people over your jew tales
>>541522364That's not what "Christ" means
>>541522223>missed by oneahahaha faggot
Im a pagan but I find some of the arguments against christianity to be a bit tiring. So the Gospels were written about 30-50 years after the life of Jesus; so what? Do you people have any idea how scatty most ancient literature really is? The oldest literature attributed to the Buddha Sakyamuni, the Dhammapada, was compiled about 300 years after the life of the Buddha. For 300 years his words were recorded on banana leaf scrolls which would decay after about 10 years, necessitating their constant memorization and transference to new scrolls. Yet there is no question that the Buddha was a real, historical figure who had a massive impact on Indic religion and culture, and further into East Asia and even Mongolia. That kind of influence does not come from a shadow, a fake person or an archetype. Perhaps his words became a bit distorted or lost over the 300 years that they were stuck on banana leaves of all things, but at least some of his words must have been powerful and true enough to preserve themselves over all that time and decay. what of the religious figures of other religions? look at my religion; paganism. its origins are so steeped in mystery no one really knows where it comes from. it could be an ancient neolithic cult that survived into the iron age, or perhaps the versions of paganism that we know from the bronze and iron ages were radically different from earlier iterations of paganism. we know of poets like Virgil and Ovid; Homer and Aeschylus, but even they admit that they drew their inspiration from older myths and stories that came before them. whatever prophets or messiahs first preached the words of Our Gods, their names and deeds have been lost to time and shadow. its a miracle that anything of it has survived to the modern age. by comparison, Christianity was remarkably well preserved and attested to. We pagans know well the mercilessness of Saturn; that is to say, Time and Space itself
>>541522545Thank you for divining by checking for sequential number getsMake sure to post a frog! >In European heraldry, the coat of arms traditionally attributed to Satan features three frogs on a red shield with a gold horizontal barDon't forget, you're here forever
>>541522333Catholics say they don’t have to get circumcised because that is a convent between God and Jews. The same retards then go on to say that actually, because Jews rejected Jesus that Catholics are the new Jews but somehow don’t have to do another covenant with Jews because Paul said they didn’t need to get cut. Catholics then say that they need to be more like Jesus, except not circumcising and having premarital sex. Catholics are fucking fags, and also that as well :)
>>541521793>Are the Abrahamics retarded?No, but it appears that you are, OP.
>>541522109>no roman wrote about him contemporaneously Tacitus did and its considered a fairly reliable account. he doesnt dickride jesus or portray him as some perfect figure, in fact he is quite critical and suspicious of this new jewish cult in the east and even gets his name wrong. this is all pretty consistent with general roman views of christianity and judea at the time so theres no reason to believe that the account of tacitus was some christian forgery meant to legitimize the existence of jesus. it really does come across more like a roman commenting on some weird guy that people say came back to life after being crucified over in the eastern part of rome
>>541522476They still need the evil spirits purged with fire.Witches and faggots were made to feed the flames.
>>541522751>shroud of Turinits not even biblical accurateJesus had a separate facecloth
>>541522895the funny bit is that it shows Jaques de Molay
>>541521793The Jesus guy has more credentials than the Moses guy. https://www.unz.com/article/the-hellenistic-origin-of-the-torah/Everybody lies, but nobody lies like this race of criminals.
>>541522264https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8wr0YpC8ag
>>541522895Quite the biblical scholar, aren't you?>John 20:6-7>Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.>linen clothes AND>the napkin (σουδάριον - soudarion: a cloth for wiping perspiration from the face and for cleaning the nose and also used in swathing the head of a corpse)
>>54152266No Im going off this website suck, the evil can't create. There is no point anymore.
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>>541523098good riddance (see you tomorrow)
>>541521793He definitely existed. But you're right that "his story" is only known to us through multiple degrees of separation and curated by people with severe conflicts of interest. It is honestly a tragedy that a person who fought oppressive dogma unwittingly became the face of an oppressive dogmatic machine much, much worse than the Pharisees.
>>541523075not sure what you point is.
>>541523285That, zir, is obvious to everyone.
>>541522412By that fucking stupid logic, Drumpf is a living God since he's so hated.
>>541521793We're still speaking and worshipping him 2000 years later.. i'd say thats an indicator. The only one who believe in asetro and paganism are indians.. odin was an indian and so was tor.
>>541523319our faith should be of God and in God and not some relics or false signs. the brazen serpent of Moses was destroyed so the people dont commit idolatry so we too should not have faith because of some useless cloth but in the living God.
>>541523436funny how the only manifestation of the Divine you're considering is the one transmitted by Jews
>>541523401>"Drumpf.."You're a leftists commie, aren't you. I hope Minister of War comes for you loser antifa asses. I hope he sends more ICE and they kill you while you're resisting arrest.
>>541523581>how the only manifestation of the Divineretard, do you think I picked up the bible at some point and just decided, yup this is my God now?God manifested himself to me first.
>>541522229>there is more reliable proof in the scriptures of historical accuracy in the reality of Jesus Christ, and His resurrection, than the existence of Alexander the Great. Yet nobody is clamoring to say that Alex wasn't real.We have relics of Alexander's army even here. Meanwhile you have a zombie outbreak in the bible that allegedly everyone saw but there zero proof of an episode of walking dead happening
>>541521793He is mentioned in historical texts. Jesus as a person did exist.
>>541521793>the 12 apostles willingly and separately let themselves be murdered over something they knew they just made updoesn't hold water.you'd never willingly die for something you knew for fact was made up.They died claiming they saw Jesus alive and walking and talking 3 days after His crucifixion.Would you make something up and then let someone crucify you or behead you without renegging on it to save your own life?Remember, you knowingly falsified it so you don't actually believe in heaven or resurrection or Jesus, that's just something you're telling other people to trick them!
>>541521793>Christ Blessing, first half of the 6th century, encaustic on panel, 84 x 45.5 x 1.2 cm (The Holy Monastery of Saint Catherine, Sinai, Egypt)
>>541521793>Are the Abrahamics retarded?I recently read Richmond Lattimore's translation of the Book of Mark. Lattimore was a classicist who made a career translating Homer and Sophocles and so on. He translated the book as literally as possible, choosing to not attempt to find modern idioms to match those ancient, to not dress it in modern vernacular.And it is truly a strange book. No reddit atheist has ever read this... you surely haven't. In the Book of Mark, Mark says nothing about three magi, a virgin birth, royal ancestry, Jesus being the son of god, or any other nonsense. And it is, I cannot stress this enough, the strangest book I've ever read. Mark is taking dictation from some other person who knew Jesus many years ago, speculated to be Peter. Peter is recounting something that he has seen, in the way that a man does when he knows what he saw but does not fully understand it. He adds these little details to it that are specific... Jesus casts out possessing demons, but warns the apostles that it will not work on epilepsy. Jesus is constantly telling everyone "don't tell anyone that I was here". Refuses to say who he is the emissary of, and only names the deity he works for once: and it is not Yahweh/Jehovah. In the Book of Mark, there is no resurrection! When they go to the tomb, there's just a strange man there (described much the same way the bible tends to describe angels). Hell, Jesus is using pre-arranged signals to communicate with who-knows, but his followers are so stupid they chalk that up as prophetic visions.If the Book of Mark is fiction, it is simply too sophisticated to have been written 1900 years ago. It has convinced me that there was, at minimum, a historical Jesus. And it's half-way to convincing me to be a gnostic. Jesus' god and the jewish god are enemies, if you believe in that sort of thing.
>>541523676I was well aware that Ashkenazi genetics predispose you to schizophrenia, but thanks for reminding me
>>541522109Look at this bullshit kike.Unlike this faggot disinfo poster Josephus wasn't a rabbinic kike:>was born rich from a priestly family>studied the pharisees>decided to go rebel military>lost to Rome and became a slave advisor>personally witnessed the destruction of the 2nd temple because he was an advisor to Titus>won his freedom and stayed in Rome writing the history of the Jews/Judeans (not rabbinics).Josephus confirmed:>the existence of Jesus (and a brother)>that he was called Christ>That Pilate put him on trial>The Sadducees/Temple Priests rejected the Pharisees so-called 'traditions of the elders'>Confirmed/recounts the Letter of Aristeas re:Greek Septuagint>Confirmed edomites were converted ~110bc>Confirmed the edomites war-like culture and refusal to assimilate/retained identity.>Confirmed Herod the Edomite was an affront to the religion of the Israelites and castigates him.>Confirms the destruction of the temple was seen as judgement from God promised through their numerous prophets>Confirms roman troops tore the very stones of the temple down to get the gold that had melted into the seams after they burned it all down.There's a reason kikes don't want you learning roman history.All of this is from a priest-class-level, educated 2nd temple-era Jew/Judean.You also have the fake ass talmuds (which they can't admit are fake) mentioning Jesus directly.So you have two non-Christian, actual Jewish sources/confirmations right there.Add all that info to the Greek Septuagint+ Philo, + Dio and you get a more-clear timeline and picrel.Get wrecked kikes.If you want an example of a fake religious figure who never existed, look for any non-rabbinic reference to a Prince of Judah...
>>541524258>you believe in God you must be mentally ill
>>541521793You don't have to follow the historical analysis, as it gets complicated quickly.The story itself is very plausible, this is what matters. If it happened in reality, which I believe it did, it likely would have developed exactly like it was.
>>541522178>all the witnesses say he was realAny evidence outside the Bible? One book claiming there were tons of witnesses to something is one data point, not many.>jews claim he lived but that he's in hell not heavenDo you trust what hews say in other circumstances?
God doesnt want you to have proofYou will come to Him by faith or you wont For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
>>541522264His name was Joshua, c'mon, haven't you read the Bibble? Joshua's always wondering who's this Jesus people keep referring to.
>>541522312>okay, nothing in the Bible is real and its a complete work of fiction>but I'm still going to structure my life around what it says and denigrate people who don't do the same
>>541521793Chinese records talk about him and the eclipse at his crucifixion. They called him the man god.
>>541523986How do you feel about Muslim suicide bombers?
>>541521793Ancient graffiti suggests he existed. Strange thing to carve into stone if not.
>>541522284>The practice of all the bodhisattvas is to make a genuine exchange>Of one’s own happiness and well-being for all the sufferings of others.>Since all misery comes from seeking happiness for oneself alone,>Whilst perfect buddhahood is born from the wish for others’ good.
>>541521793I dont understand this.
>>541521793> has conquered Rome> not realpick one
>>541524863ironically some of the best evidence that jesus existed came from those who detracted him
>>541521793https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTllC7TbM8M Good video on the subject, no he never existed. There doesn't exist a single piece of writing pretending he ever did before the Gospels, the first of which came many decades after his supposed death. His entire story is a retelling of literally 16 previous myths like that of Krishna or Dionysus. The early Christian groups fought each other because to make it palatable to the Romans, Yeshuah had to be a man, but the stories were obviously fictional and parables, and the pro-existence side won, which is why so many "hidden gospels from Gnostics" exist, they were all the stories that were too obvious about the fact Yeshuah wasn't real.
>>541522109Josephus' writings confirming Yeshuah's stuff are universally agreed to be complete forgeries. Our earliest actual non-biblical sources are the likes of Tacitus who only spend 3 sentences saying "yeah there's some group calling themselves Christians I guess".
>>541524863nothing about that graffiti suggests anything except that christians exist
>>541524863what makes a christkike this fucking retarded? is it the holy water?
>>541524342I believe in God, just not the semitic weather idol in your head
>>541525726yes, youre a child of satan. I already figured that out.
>>541524860so, secondary believers, ones who are putting faith in something they honestly legitimately believe to be true, even if someone made it up hundreds of years ago, is a distinctly different thing than the people who actually founded the religion.The founder either witnessed something they whole heartedly believe is real and convince others based on what they personally witnessed... or they knowingly made it up and are deceiving others for control. Future generations place faith in what the founders gave them, they whole heartedly believe it.But the founders themselves would know whether it was true or something they made up.A Muslim suicide bomber 100% believes that this is the way to go to Paradise, they believe what Muhammad promised because Muhammad claimed to have gotten a revelation from God by an angel. Did Muhammad get willingly martyred for his beliefs? No.Muhammad died the exact way that he said he would die if he was a false prophet.Qur'an 66:44-47>Had the Messenger made up something in Our Name, We would have certainly seized him by his right hand, then severed his aorta, and none of you could have shielded him ˹from Us˺!then the Hadith about the end of Muhammad's lifeSahih al-Bukhari 4428>The Prophet (ﷺ) in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O `Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."So let's contrast with St Peter. Peter, at Jesus' trial denied even knowing Jesus 3 times. It is an utter moral failing, he'd followed Jesus for 3 years, and even claimed he was willing to die for Jesus...then out of fear for his own life, denied even knowing Jesus. In essence, he didn't truly believe Jesus was who He said He was anymore. He couldn't be the Messiah if He just was gonna get crucified and die.Then Peter saw Jesus resurrected.Now he believed for real. He was martyred for it.
>>541521909nope
>>541526058Yup. Pontius Pilate, Tacitus and that Josephus fella. Yes indeed.
>>541521909Tacitus' account is believable but hardly a slam dunk, just says they worship a guy that was ACKed by Pilate, that's believable, lots of apocalyptic rabble-rousing preachers were being put down to keep the province stable
>>541525272Rabbinic beliefs can't help but give themselves away because there is no concept of impartiality in their culture, it's 100% zero sum, they're like jeets.They'll never acknowledge legitimate points that defame their religion nor answer with anything else but pilpul when logically cornered.This faggot lies and says 'universally' agreed upon...fucn lol. EST.Read up on the controversy yourselves, you'll see the previous references only deal with the core Josephus claims.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus>>>541524311
>>541522752Tacitus briefly commenting on a cult on the other side of the empire does not prove that jesus ever lived. Notice i said 'wrote about him', not 'wrote about jewish cults'>>541524311>Josephus wasn't a jew! >Well okay he was, but he was a different kind of jew>writes a bunch of shit that has nothing to to with jesus be a historical figureAlso Josephus had one mention of 'James, brother of Christ'. 'Brother' is how Christians referred to each other at the time, so it is just as likely, if not more so, that he was refering to james simply as a christian rather than as the literal brother of christ. Also the passage in which he says that is heavily suspected to be interpolated and the only people saying it isnt are 'scholars' who have a vested or personal interest in it not being so. The singular source outside of the bible that is used to defend the historicity of jesus is1) easily and reasonably interpreted differently2) interpolated into the original text3) written by a kikego ahead and slander me as a kike, idgaf. I'm objectively correct and all you have as 'proof' is a book of jewish fairytales
>>541526674Josephus wasn't an edomite like Herod and the pharisees that debated Jesus.You have to keep pretending that information doesn't exist lollololYou look like a fucking moron trying to lobby and convince people when you're discounting actual Jew/Judean history to defend rabbinic bullshit.You can't see that because you're a zealot clinging to rabbinic arguments.>pic of your boys, Israelites/Judeans NEVER did that
>>541526291but that's the argument of this thread. Not whether Jesus' claims were accurate, just whether Jesus existed as a historical person.
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>>541526891>actual Jew/Judean historyis complete fariytales. there was no king david, there was no jew kingdom, there was only an assyrian genital mutilation cult that elevated one god that was part of a polytheistic pantheon to head god status. the magic jew you worship is a composite of several earlier stories, including mithra, dionysus and osirus that's been wrapped in a platonistic shell
>>541526891lmaoing at your lifeI denounce all kikery in all forms, rabbinic, talmudic, demonic etc etc. Yaweh is a donkey headed desert god and his followers are all insane, deluded retards. I dont care what tribe of semite they come from, they're all dirty kikes to me. Worthy of only extermination, their genetic lineage erased from the globe. How about you give me some proof that rabbi yeshua was a real, living, breathing historical figure from a contemporary source besides Josephus. Which we have already established is suspect at best, but in all reality a farce. A farce written by a kike at that.>protip>you cantseethe about it jew lover
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>>541524229I think the framing that Peter or who knows is the singular source is not provable.Did Mark have first person witnesses, or did he only have second hand accounts?You're right in that Mark is weird because he's not obviously pushing an agenda like the other evangelists,he's turning what I assume are a bunch of reports about a miracle man into a coherent biography.What really happened? It's impossible to know because there aren't any corroborating witnesses.Fact or fiction is the wrong question to ask. What did people think happened and what can we actually reconstruct are more useful paths of inquiry.>If the Book of Mark is fiction, it is simply too sophisticated to have been written 1900 years agoNo, 1st century Judea had a complex written and oral text culture
>>541527062Can you explain why in 365, saulstian Rome declared a full on death penalty on all practicing Pagans, but in the let's say 1500 years of absolute saulstian power, they NEVER even once made a similar law towards jews? All saulstians are jew-worshipers who hate the Aryan race, hate Adolf Hitler, hate NS, and would rather a planet full of jew-worshiping niggers than Pagan Aryans.
>>541527167just stop worshiping jewsstop believing jewish horseshit
>>541527203what is it to you who I worshipin what way is that your problem get out of my face
>>541527014The guy on the right was Christian too, you fucking retarded half nigger half frankish jew abomination.You'd literally have to go back 1000 years more and swap him with a Gaul warrior to prove your point
>>541527246people who worship a fictional foreskin eating demon should be exterminated
>>541527000fine, but the historical jesus and the literary jesus are equated by christians for obvious purposesI personally don't have reasons to disbelieve a yeshua son of yosef existed and was a successful preacher, from that to THE jesus of the gospels that's another story
>>541521793You're a giant fucking retard. Wait til this retard finds how we know so much about the ancient greeks and romans and other civilizations.
>>541527146ahahahahahHold up your fake talismans kikewhat other performative shit ya got?You think repeating your lil c/p will ward of the truth? Anyone with AI can look this info up and they're definitely not confusing me with kikes like you.
>>541527146>How about you give me some proof that rabbi yeshua was a real, living, breathing historical figure from a contemporary source besides Josephus.They really can't. Yeshuah has every single characteristic of a mythical figure in the way he's narrated, plagiarizing 16 previous such figures, and there doesn't exist a single contemporary source mentioning him in any way. They'll kvetch endlessly around that fact. The entire muh saulstian persecution by Nero was utter bullshit too, they cry about imaginary shit just like their jew masters.
>>541527317>I worship the Lord Jesus Christ>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>541522752>>no roman wrote about him contemporaneously>Tacitus didHe didn't, he was born after the supposed death of Jesus
>>541527369magic jew magic jew magic jewretard
>>5415274052000 (two thousand) years later and they are still madI kneel my Lord Jesus Christstay mad
>>541527338>refuses to give any evidence>hides behind calling me a jewyawngive me historical proof rabbi yeshua isnt a fictional character or no more (you)s
>>541527469lick some nigger toes, jew worshiper
>>541527469Reminder: jews control the world. Christian larpers don't
>>541527329>I personally don't have reasons to disbelieve a yeshua son of yosef existed and was a successful preacherThere were certainly some preachers with that name as it was a very common name, but there doesn't exist a single indication that the stories of the magical jew were inspired by any real human being. Again, it's jews blatantly stealing stories from other myths and pretending it's theirs. Yeshuah wasn't meant to even exist as a person in the first place, this was a canon forced upon the believers over centuries of bloodshed. All the "hidden texts of the gnostics" are so hated because they reveal this blatant fact, that this SCP shit was never meant to be real.
Just do the following, listen to Christian larpers for 5 minutes straight. Jews, control the world, they say. Yet somehow Jesus is almighty. What concludsion would we draw here?
>>541527573>reminder money money money power fame control greed
>>541527580this even the letters attributed to paul, which are considered the earliest christian sources extant, that are considered authentic paint a picture of a being only interacted with through divine visions and the like. Not of a living, breathing man that walked around and did stuff on earth.
>>541521793Yes, probably he existed
>>541527715But isn't Jesus almighty?
>>541521793He was really the Jewish messiahHe also explicitly said you must keep all 613 commandments and take them from the written torah not the fake oral torah
>>541527781yes, so ?6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
>>541527478Notice none of these faggots attack the talmud referencing Jesus.you know why lolFolks, just look into Josephus, Dio, Philo, Tacitus, and the Greek Septuagint reconciled against the Masoretic texts.Rabbinic history was invented by pagan edomites between 200-600AD, well after these events, to stop people from converting to Christianity and create authority.If you simply cut their bullshit input out of 2nd temple-era history you'll have a more-clear idea of what's going on and you'll understand why modern jews arel amalek.Incidentally, if you hold all their rabbinic bullshit to the same evidence standard they're trying to impose here, none of their own history is valid. See Jacob Neusner and try to find any historical reference to the mythical Prince of Judah... lol
>>541527875Not a hair of your head falls without Jesus wanting it. But jews Control the world... Really now...
>>541527918define jewstell me who do you think jews are today
>>541527906>Notice none of these faggots attack the talmud referencing Jesus.Kek>attack the book attacking a made up Character You sound dumb
>>541527329sure but that's the base claim being made by the OP, that the Jesus of the Gospels is not real, because there was no historic Jesus.If you believe Jesus was a historic person, but don't believe in His claims, there's a difference.I would say it's quite rational, to not believe Jesus was divine, or believe in miraculous things He did, and believe that when He was crucified He stayed dead. But yet believe 2 things:1. That there was really a Jewish preacher named Jesus bin Joseph (or Yeshua bin Yosef or whatever translation we're going with) who was crucified in Jerusalem who had a devout set of followers.2. That those followers legitimately believed they saw Jesus physically after He died, and testified that He'd died for our sins and resurrected and they physically saw Him to validate this claim that He was the Son of God and were all executed for it.That's acceptable and then we move into things like were the disciples hallucinating, were they mentally insane, was Jesus mentally insane to actually believe He was divine and therefore willing to be put to death with that belief.But at least we have a framework better than 12 guys made a person up, then each, individually spread out in different geographic locations of the world willing to die for something they knowingly did not honestly believe themselves and know they made up.Because that framework is a house of cards, it does not hold up. You'd only willingly die for something you honestly believed. If you had doubts and expressing those doubts could save your life.. you'd renounce.If I told you I was the 2nd coming of Christ and you threatened to kill me for it.. I'd renounce that claim because I know I was just making it up and what good would it do for me to die for a known lie?
>>541527977Idk, I don't claim jews control the world.
>>541527573>Reminder: jews control the world.>>541527918>But jews Control the world...>>541528036>Idk, I don't claim jews control the world.pablito, esta bien ?
Anyone that believes in religion is a drooling retard
>>541528021there's enough evidence from your country straight from last century about the sheer insanity religious people can reach including mass suicides so that angle is hardly workable
>>541528125You firgot to add: Christian larpers say
>>541528169so what is your argument ? what is your question ? what's your point ?
>>541528169Because, lets be frank, the world =\= the west
>>541527918>Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!>13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.>17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive rootRomans 11:11-17
Even if Jesus doesn't exist, the Bible version of Jesus is totally astounding and the message is truth on its own account. Patience, forgiveness and love is what he meant, and he spoke directly to the heart in intangible ways that the mind cannot comprehend. Parables, you have to feel His word, not develop a strict order of laws to enforce it. That's why he came to the Jews, to save them from themselves. Or if he didn't exist, the Jews invented this great philosophy to save themselves from their religion.
541527906>still can't post a single piece of contemporary evidence>still trying to make excuses for some jews while excusing others>completely avoiding any discourse what a sad little faggothis church must be the only thing he has in life besides feeling guilty when he jerks offsad>>541528021>house of cardsyour house of cards rests on the disciples being real just as much as jesus. show me proof outside of scripture that they existed and at least some were executed.
>>541528213My point is that you claim to gollow an omnipotent dude, of jewish origin while simultaneously claiming jews control everything. I'm fucking losing it here
>>541521793It’s called faith for a reason.
>>541528308againi will ask you one more time, who do you think jews arethe people you call jews, who do you think they aregive me a location, an ethnicity, a race, a place, something to describe them
>>541528308He obviously favors the cultivated olive branch over the wild olive branch
>>541528365>WE WUZ DA REEL JOOS N SHEEIT
>>541528365What I understand for jews, people of jewish origin and genetics, doesnt marry well with the Christian idea of schizo lizard vampires.
>>541528475go ahead, don't be afraid if you know better than me. tell me who they are
>>541528365>i will ask you one more time, who do you think jews aredont be obtusenoses, tiny hats, run the banks and produce porn etc. Im sure you could find genetic specifics with a quick google search
>>541528510Look anon, if you start arguing conspiracy David Icke grade golden nuggets, I'm going to zap you with a taser
>>541528517i'm glad we are talking about the same peoplethese people are not jews, they never werethey are canaanitesstraight from their own university :https://www.jpost.com/archaeology/article-860458>DNA study: Modern Jews and Arabs retain more than half their ancestry from Bronze Age ‘Canaanites’Genome-wide analysis of 93 skeletons from Israel, Jordan and Lebanon traces an unbroken genetic thread across three millennia.they are not jewish, they never were, they never will bethese people existed since the old testament, they never were anything else other than cananites, they always worshiped baal and molochesau married with cannanites women after being specifically told not tothey are edomites
>>541528169>Christian larpers saythat is not what you saidyou are too low iq to play this kind of game
>>541528021>acceptable In theory yes, but acceptable doesn't mean true. And the 12 apostles story is just as bullshit as the rest, there never was muh persecution, the jew-worshipers and jews themselves were the intolerant schizoid genocidal fucks, the Romans were extremely tolerant as long as you accepted the Emperor into your pantheon and paid taxes.There is no evidence of yeshuah ever existing, because he didn't, and all evidence that he was a myth.
>>541528665literally the same shit, we have DNA from israel spanning the stone age all the way through bronze and iron age roman ages, those populations were homogeneously sandniggers like you most similar to modern palestinians, lebanese, jordanians and the like
>>541528665>they are canaanitesWhich is what the Isrealites came from.
>>541528611Let me be clear, I don't know why, but for some reason Christians mix stuff like David Icke and passport to Magonia with their mythology, and the pile of books keeps rising. I'm sure you think crazy shit like, as a scott, I am a jew, and other mired in dual seed doctrine tutti frutti of ideas. You niggers need to calm the fuck down.
>>541528744Here >>541528308>>541527695
>>541528827>israelites came from canaanitesnonsense>When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5
>>541528744Are you aware of what you splurt in public? It's not easy to follow and requires lots of /x/ material.
>>541521793yeah he existed but he wasn't magical he was just really cunning
>>541528748>There is no evidence of yeshuah ever existingI am sorry you failed at history and archaelogical research bantu anon but argumentum ad ignorantium is a fallacy for a reason
>>541528665>more semitic tribe hair splittingthey're all dirty kikes. Okay, whatever say they're not 'real jews' whatever the fuck that means: what does it matter? A kike is a kike is a kike. Jews, however you want to specifically and granularly define them, have always worshipped gods of death and degeneracy. Baal and Yaweh were both desert storm warrior gods, what difference does it make to distinguish between all the different peoples of Canaan beyond the academic? Cleanse them all, or we will be stuck on this rock forever and never tread the stars.
>>541521793His story is an huge pile of shit
>>541528954>>israelites came from canaanites>nonsenseNope. Historical facts Thers also zero evidence of a mass Exodus of Hebrews from Egypt
>>541528954ah yes, the jewish book all about how special and chosen they are says they're different and chosen and specialgreat point, i hadn't considered that
>>541527573>jews control the world>>541528904concession accepted
>>541529012>what does it matter?it matters because that spanish dude kept asking me why jews rule the worldthey don't, they are not jews they are canaanitesthey worship baal and moloch and that is why they rule the world because the devil is of this world>>541529040>provided a source that specifically points to kikes being canaanites>dude says "israelites come from canaanites">nonsense because they were distinct group of people in the ancient times and were told not to intermarry>no its not nonsense its truefantastic argument
>>541528146like I said, that's a completely different matter and I think a more valid basis. If you have crazy people who legitimately believed something that's not real, they can be willing to die for it....however, they legitimately believed in it, they didn't knowingly make it up just to trick others then willingly die for it. Do you see the difference I'm making here?>>541528275>>541528748so you just trickle down the dilemma a generation or two. You are still operating on the concept of people knowingly making things up, and then being martyred for it without renouncing a known lie.For what purpose?If you don't legitimately believe in these things why would you be martyred over it, especially if the difference between being fed to a lion in the arena, and living, is something as simple as acknowledging the Emperor as one of the gods?You talk about Roman religious tolerance being so great that all they had to do to not get martyred is include the Emperor... and Christians would not do it, including the ones who authored the books in question, whether they were actually Matthew and Luke and John or not, SOMEONE wrote those books and had a high chance of being killed for doing so and not including the emperor in their belief system.You're still operating on the basis of people willingly dying for something they knowingly made up.and that's disingenuous.
>>541521793Reminder that the Shroud of Turin (Jesus burial shroud) can not be replicated.The chemical, physical and microscopic details of this 2000 year old shroud can not be replicated with todays's technologyhttps://rentry.org/shroud-of-turin-27042026/
>>541529140>israelites come from canaanitesYes, modern scholarship and genetic evidence indicate that the ancient Israelites were largely descended from indigenous Canaanite populations
>>541529224
>>541528969>Are you aware of what you splurt in public? It's not easy to follow and requires lots of /x/ material.I am sorry reading books is hard for you to follow, theology is a certifiable degree for this reason anon, same as C# and Engineeringyou know, things that require disciplined reading skills.the world must be very confusing for illiterate africans with short attention spans and sub 90 iqs who think that books are just white man magic that makes no sense.
>>541529252I accept your concession
>>541529160>You're still operating on the basis of people willingly dying for something they knowingly made up.you're still operating on the basis of those people actually dying. And on things needing to be true for people to believe them and die for them.Dumbfucks go to war all the time and die for things they believe in that are complete lies>>541529140>they don't, they are not jews they are canaanitesalright dude, whatever.
What I have read:Bible (Ortho Stdy bible, eng, biblia de Navarra, es).Gnostic gospels. ApocryphaSome (not all) qabalah, incl zohar fragments.Some books (jewish) on qabalah practice. Conspiracy books for fun thst Christian uses. Golden Dawn and other Christian esoteric readsAngelic magick books. Plus I practiced (while reading a lot) esoteric Christian religion back in the day. And I still have trouble understanding /pol/ retardation with separating Christian larpers from joos. To put it into perspective: I even had schizo visions and personal teachings ftom Jesus untill The Thing happened.
>>541529000Jew-worshipers are such pilpuling chutzpaing niggers it's unreal>hehe chud, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!>therefore I don't ever have to bring forth the slightest bit of evidence, I can just say shitCool, I fucked your mom, you have to believe it now, I don't have to present evidence>>541529160No one was fucking martyred for muh yeshuah, that's holobunga tier bullshit. All those stories of muh persecution are completely bullshit and we know it because they paint themselves as >REEE I AM BEING GENOCIDED AND BLAMED FOR THE FIRES BY THE EVIL GOYIMwhen later extremely well-read Romans didn't have a clue what the saulstians were about, they weren't even a thought in anyone's mind at the time they claim to have lost 6 gorillions Are you genuinely fucking retarded and believe the 26 millions turned into soap? You also believe fucking picrel and their 64 million jews burned alive by muh Romans? Fucking pathetic nigger, it's too late to bother with you, kill yourself fucking bitch subhuman freak speaking like a retarded AI.
>>541529287No, you simply are retards, see >>541529350>I'm very smartOh, can you play one of these? I can, that's a Synth, you need keyboard, programming snd physics of sound skills.
>>541529347i'm talking with a dude who is arguing about kikes and you barge in and ask me why does it matterwho are you ? it matters in the context of the discussion i'm havingof course it doesn't matter out of this context, why would you even ask that question ? that's not what i'm arguing about
>>541529224>cant back up his claimsoof
>>541522109You fucking people... this website has gone to shit. It's as bad as Facebook. Full of fucking midwits.
>>541529498It already was>>541528665Lurk more dumbshit
>>541526291>lots of apocalyptic rabble-rousing preachers were being put down to keep the province stableThis is something christgroids refuse to understand. The Romans were constantly nailing up messiahs. Jewsus just caught on as a meme because the women in Rome didn't want their husbands to tell them what to do.
>>541521793>some random Jew 100 years later Paul wrote about him in the 50s.Late dating puts the gospel of Mark in the 70s, early dating puts Matthew in the 40s.Josephus, Philo and Tacitus mention Jesus.The earliest church fathers are all pretty much in agreement on basic doctrines, church history, the gospels et cetera.Underrated, but the Talmud mentions Jesus. Admitting "yes we killed him and we'd do it again" about a guy who never existed is weird to say the least.There's a reason why the Christ myth is a fringe position: given all the data mentioned, it's hard to imagine how ideas about him would've emerged so quickly. The alternative, that Jesus as a figure was made up wholesale, runs into a very difficult problem. >hey, remember that local celebrity who had a public execution 15 years ago?>who?>well, he rose from the dead!>bro, literally who are you even talking about?Jesus' execution was very much a public affair and the beliefs emerging about Jesus later, regardless of veracity, require the crucifixion to have actually happened. This isn't a "way back in the days of the ancients" story.
>>541529522Tacitus isn't a contemporary. He was born after the supposed death of Jesus.Yoi are a dumb person
>>541529546>it was thonope
>>541529613Sure was
>>541521793There is no evidence he was real
>>541529604>Tacitus mention JesusHe doesn't. Never says the name. Rather, he is describing who the cult believed in.
>>541521793Most history from before the 10th century is either made up or heavily altered, perhaps even as late as the 16th century
>>541521793There is numerous writings from period Jesus was alive what mentions him. Even jewish documents.
>>541529604>Underrated, but the Talmud mentions Jesuscounter reformation judaism mentions reform judaism specifically to denigrate it? no shit>hey, remember that local celebrity who had a public execution 15 years ago?and now you are really playing with time. it was closer to 50 to 100 years later. it emerged so quickly because Saul was selling his apocalypse cult
>>541526891nigger YOU are the edomite, all of the bad goys of the old testament were actually the good guys of history. you're accepting the framing of jews being righteous and chosen while portraying anybody who opposes them as evil (including other sects of judaism you disagree with). let go of the christian identity bullshit, you are not yahweh's chosen and you shouldn't want to be
>>541529347Someone wrote the books at a time when it could get you killed.Nobody's fabricating something then dying for it when renouncing it could save their life.>>541529470Disingenuous argument, the Romans killed Christians for hundreds of years before Constantine, and you yourself said that all they had to do is include the Emperor in their pantheon to spare their lives.They refused.If they were knowingly lying about everything what would be the harm in changing your story to include the Emperor.Muhammad changed his story (the Satanic verses, etc) when it fit his purposes.
>541529647>uh huhconcession accepted
>>541529481I guarantee I can play that fucking thing
>>541521909wrong
>>541529470>jew madlel
>>541522752>contempory >tacitusKek
>>541529350>What I have read:anecdotal attempt to appeal to yourself as an authority, yeah you failed bantu
>was this guy real?yes
>>541524311josephus was a jew
>>541530573
>>541530712Why are those numbers so high???
>>541529609No you are projecting like some fucking know it all asshole. Go ahead fuckface everybody is wrong but you and your towering fucking intellect (lol) you fucking narcissist. Did you even bother reading it or do you just assume you know fucking everything? Like most of the arrogant conceited assholes on the internet....> The scholarly consensus is that Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman sourcebut NO... everyone should listen to YOU. fucking joke.
>>541530914>The scholarly consensusDo you believe the Holocaust happened?
>>541530826He was and he wrote one thing when he was afraid and then when he no longer was beholden to somebody he wrote completely different shit. Pilpul got an early start.
>>541530914I'm still right. Tactistus isn't a contemporary. Zero scholars agree he is
>>541531050>TactistusTacitus*
>541530827>gets paid per linked responseexplains why you are just shitting up thread for the sake of it.ghost of mesa fatty confirmed lol
>>541531122>feelings hurtKek
>>541530477>the Romans killed ChristiansNo, the Romans killed criminals, some of which where christians
>>541530974I believe Titus killed most of the jews and I am just sorry he didn't get them all ( i think he might have) and I know the Germans really ran camps during WWII where a couple hundred thousand jews died yes I do. What I don't do is suffer fools gladly...
>>541531005yeah his work is riddled with lies
>>541530881france is a secular diverse multicultural first for nigger worship country, its a perfect home for them considering since the Revolution jews were granted full citizenship rights to buy and sell property and loans
>>541531191So, do you believe the Holocaust happened?
>>541521793>Was this guy even real?Yes he was real, a real piece of shit that is.Now kneel to ded piece of shit white man, it’s good for you, that’s how you win. Your opponents are trembling because of your such superior beliefs in the kang. West is in decline because there is not enough faith in the kang.
>>541531050No what you are is an arrogant fuck who thinks he is smarter than all of humanity. You Are a fucking vain conceited piece of shit Whose ego can’t stand being challenged. People like you are a dime a dozen on the internet.
>>541521793All religionfags should get the rope. Nothing good has ever come out of fake stories about muh heckin skydaddy. Total theist death.
>>541531326Can't believe I was this fucking stupid.
>>541531464>NoI am correct. Tactitus isn't a contemporary to JesusTacitus was born approximately 56 CE, roughly two decades after the traditional date of Jesus’ crucifixion, making him not a contemporary or eyewitness source.
>>541522109One did but there was a language barrier. Not 100% certain it was Jesus people were gathered around.
>>541522350Not gnosticism, actual Christianity for a change. The Word of God = LOGOS THEOU in Greek. The Word of God is what He said in the beginning, "Let there be Light"And Jesus says, "I am the Light of the world"
>>541531502We can't either
>>541522350Not gnosticism, actual Christianity for a change. The Word of God = LOGOS THEOU in Greek. The Word of God is what He said in the beginning, "Let there be Light"And Jesus says, "I am the Light of the world."
>>541531656>actual Christianity for a changeGood luck figuring that out. Over 30k different versions say they are actual Christianity
>>541531597Nope
>>541531661Yeah, I'm seeing that now. Two people. I learned some terrible lessons. No love and nothing matters.
>>541521793There is more evidence that Jesus Christ was a real historical person who actually existed than there is for any other person who has ever lived. Literally no serious historian thinks Jesus Christ wasn't a real historical figure. Even that faggot Richard Carrier admits that he is just saying that it's theoretically possible that Jesus didn't exist:>"The non-existence of Jesus is simply not plausible, as arguments from silence in the matter aren't valid, nor could they ever be sufficient to challenge what is, after all, the near-universal consensus of well-qualified experts."
>>541523743The proof is in His church. The true church He founded. No other faith can boast as much of His grace. But as God is humble, so is His grace. It is not manifest light a laser show for the masses to oggle. He is after the hearts of His children, not their minds. He wants to save our souls, not our bodies. And the proliferation of the faith, like wildfire, without military conquest, without force, without political aid, is a testimony in and of itself - no other faith or philosophy can boast the same.
>>541531326>>541531661I knew this was going to happen again. I'm just a fool. Can't believe I thought this was something. What was it all even for?
>>541531951>There is more evidence that Jesus Christ was a real historical person who actually existed than there is for any other person who has ever livedIncorrect
>>541532095I'll stay gone this time and just pay the price.
>>541531782No, there is only 1. Then, there are the misled, by wolves in sheep's clothing. But what matters is the heart - many adherents if the true faith (Orthodoxy) are highly fallible and definitely poor examples of the faith (like me), but even among the misguided there is true faith. And His grace operates however He wishes. We pray for the whole world. And as it is written, "God so loved the world that He sent His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life."
The white one? Absolutely not.The Muslim one? Probably not.
>>541522109>no roman wrote about him contemporaneouslyIf you actually knew ANYTHING about history, you would know that there is almost zero surviving first hand contemporary eyewitness accounts of anyone or anything from that long ago. Everything we know about Alexander the Great or Hannibal of Carthage and the Punic Wars or pretty much anything else that you have zero doubts about is based on documents written long afterwards or from second or third hand accounts. The only known eyewitness accounts we have of Vesuvius destroying Pompeii is just two letters written by Pliny the Younger.
>>541532241>No, there is only 1. Then, there are the misled, by wolves in sheep's clothingYeah they all say that.
>>541522623Anon the youngest book of Christ was written 50 years (supposedly) after his (supposed death) some books are like 200 years (supposedly) after his (supposed) death.
>>541531951wrong>muh historiansyeah the also believe jesus was a jewcan they be relied on?
>>541531502>>541532095Wtf are you talking about, specifically?
>>541524587>Any evidence outside the Bible? The Bible is literally the result of the early Christians going out and finding the best, most reliable sources and documents about Jesus and compiling them together to make it easier for people to learn about the life of Jesus Christ. It's completely retarded and nonsensical to insist that those documents "don't count" because they are part of the Bible.Also, there are many other documents from back then that aren't part of the Bible and are considered apocryphal that describe historical Jesus. However, the early Christians decided that those documents should not be included in the Bible because they weren't convinced they were reliable or accurate enough to include them.>One book claiming there were tons of witnesses to something is one data point, not many.The Bible isn't just one book you stupid shitskin. The New Testament is 27 different books and letters and texts about Jesus compiled into one collection.
>>541532640>The Bible is literally the result of the early Christians going out and finding the best, most reliable sources and documents about JesusNo lolThers zero proof that there was a mass Exodus of Hebrews out of Egypt.
>>541532640>The Bible is literally the result of the early Christians going out and finding the best, most reliable sources and documents about Jesus and compiling them together
>>541532339So did Christ.
>>541532241Thanks for renouncing your right of free choice to submit to ded jesus desired identity. Without free choice you’re so much harder to manipulate and taken advantage of. Keep up the kang work
>>541532917>So did Christ.
If this post ends in consecutive digits jesus is in fact a real, living, guy, who died for Your sins, and was resurrected on the third day
>>541521793I'm hardcore atheist and i don't understand why it's such a big problem. Sure some rabbi that talked big and was used as a base of a christian sect existed, why not.
>>541533613He ded for your sin of not taking enough mRNA boosters. Kneel to kang and boost up
>>541527182>I think the framing that Peter or who knows is the singular source is not provable.Irrelevant, because nothing is provable to the standard that you are demanding for this.>Did Mark have first person witnesses, or did he only have second hand accounts?Mark was probably written by a translator/scribe as a written version of the oral testimony that Peter was giving to the Romans. Mark was almost certainly the first gospel to be written down, because some of the other gospels seem to use it as a source.Luke (and Acts, which is basically a follow up describing what happens to the early Christians after the ascension of Jesus) was written by a hellenistic physician who wanted to write basically a historical account of this Jesus guy based on different eyewitness accounts (like Mark) he found while investigating what happened.Matthew was written by a well educated early Christian from a jewish background, possibly one of the 12, who was also trying to write down a more comprehensive account of Jesus's life than what was given in Mark.John is based on the oral eyewitness account that John the apostle had been giving, probably late in John's life when someone in his community realized he wouldn't be around for much longer. There are signs of someone using something the memory palace / method of Loci technique to remember and recall information in the account. There are also parts where the scribe writing it down changed the original first person point of view to references to the "Beloved Disciple" which confuses people.There also seems to have been some kind of collection of direct quotations and things Jesus said that someone wrote down, that is now lost. Once Matthew and Luke incorporated those quotes into their gospels, there did not seem to be a need to keep a separate copy of just those quotes.>No, 1st century Judea had a complex written and oral text cultureNo one was writing grounded, realistic fiction until the 1600s (Don Quixote)
>>541533870because it's a very quick gish gallop from believing a rabble rousing jew probably existed to saying magic tricks are real so you should abandon material reality and worship a magic jew
>>541533068More like one pure woman, in total obedience to God, was the fruit of countless unfaithful generations that would allow for God to take the purest human flesh to incarnate from and thereby lift up the fallen nature of man to Sanctification. And there is no greater love than to last down one's life for his friends. This is what God did for us. The wages of sin is death, and He took that consequence away for those who follow His example. Not as catchy, granted, but that's why it's a calling. Only the pure in heart can see and hear what God has to say.
>>541532969Freedom is an illusion. We don't exist to be our own gods. There are 2 masters, and you are given the choice, which will you serve, each moment of your existence.
>>541527754>even the letters attributed to paul>paint a picture of a being only interacted with through divine visions and the like. Not of a living, breathing man that walked around and did stuff on earth.That's a massive oversimplification (because you've never actually read any of them) but Paul didn't write about living, breathing historical Jesus because Paul wasn't a witness to that stuff. Paul only became a Christian after Jesus had been crucified.The gospels are what provide the eyewitness accounts of the living breathing Jesus walking around and doing stuff.
>>541522284The "fellow gentiles" equivalent of Mosiach. But it sounded too semitic and they were in the process of subverting the Empire, so they changed many terms and names into forms more palatable to the gentiles like Yeshua>Ieosus, Shimon>Petrus, Saul>Paulus, etc.
>>541529604Additionally, it's very telling that none of the people who opposed or denigrated Christ or Christianity or prosecuting early Christians seemed to think Jesus didn't actually exist or that the whole thing was made up. Which seems like it would be the first thing someone opposing it would bring up if they thought it was true. Instead, they mocked Christians for worshipping a weak god who died or for refusing to pay tributes to the other gods too.
>>541536000>to think Jesus didn't actually exist or that the whole thing was made upIt's their primary defense.
>>541530116>it emerged so quickly because Saul was selling his apocalypse cult15-20 years after the crucifixion. If said crucifixion didn't happen, it's kind of a hard sell. That's my whole point.
>>541532838>Thers zero proof that there was a mass Exodus of Hebrews out of Egypt.Completely irrelevant because we are talking about historical Jesus, not the historicity of jew lore from 1500 years earlier.Also, the Hebrews came from Mesopotamia, it was the Israelites who made the exodus from Egypt.
>>541521793>was this guy even real?
>>541522264>surplus of words notwithstanding. When Jesus Christ comes a second time, finally the Boouchwooch will be shlamelavel oy gevalt, Hashem will give his Children the 2600 Goyim Slaves and Shiksas he promised. Whites will depart from this Earth and pay for their crimes against the Jew in the middle east palestine Egypt, Babylon and Europe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1yP_JlTX3k
>>541535310>More like one pure womanLmao
>>541536000No, they criticsed christians for being degenerates and practicing abominations, if early christians didn't want to be 'persecuted' they should have followed the law
>>541536453>Completely irrelevantNot really. The bible is full of holes like that
>>541521793he has to be a chad and real. just his name makes every idioit seethe. its pure kino.
>>541536824Sure, because people are typically happy when a new religion shows up making statements contradictory to the established one.Acts 19:24-27 (KJV) For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.
