What is actually wrong with 'NATO expansion'? If countries willingly want to join, what is bad about it?
>>541525372it makes ziggers seethe uncontrollably while they shit and piss themselves. its based and redpilled
Nobody wants a world government
>>541525372>what is bad about it?literally nothing. russia wanted to join but was too corrupt. they blamed the west for it to save face, then invaded crimea. it's retarded
>>541525372there is nothing wrong about it.there is a sphere of influence and others have to respect itsimple as
>>541525470NATO isn't a government in any way though it's basically a defensive pact
>>541525372Do you want to fight another countries war?
>>541525518Do you want other countries like the US to back us up if we got into a war? It has to work both ways. That's how pacts work
>>541525515It's a platform for the United-States to project power on the world stage.Mark Rutte's words not mine.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELNl5s42KjM&t=414
Because NATO presents itself a defense alliance that expands into territories that act as buffer zones between NATO and non-NATO areas. If NATO stopped lying and accurately presented itself as the offensive alliance that is then the false pretense that NATO is non-offensive could be met by non-NATO on the level>NATO: NATO is a defense alliance>Non-NATO: Why are you expanding into previously agreed upon buffer zones>NATO: *Attempts to gaslight non-NATO and populations in NATO countries that NATO expansion is not an act of aggression*>Non-NATO: If you are going to act then so will we>NATO: ARTICLE 5!!!!!! Only NATO can act not you!!!!
>>541525372>>541525372I like this flag.
Any alliance/union that expands too much eventually reaches decisional blockage.Realistically NATO was supposed to keep Russia's expansionist tendencies into Europe at bay.And it kinda worked until now, for its members.Russians must have seethed hard seeing the Baltics join, meaning they couldn't be occupied anymore.Russia only has one single idea of its mission: how to keep expanding by taking neighbours' territory. They're stuck in this mode. They have no idea they could have any other mission as a state. This won't be over until Russia disappears. This people cannot function without periodically launching invasions.
>>541525939by Russia's logic, any non-NATO state is a "buffer zone" and every "buffer zone" is de facto Russian property. and any time a "buffer zone" decides to get wise and join NATO, Russians consider this an act of aggression, because they thought the "buffer zone" belonged to them. get Putin's dick out of your ass retard
>>541525372Absolutely nothing.NATO is a defensive alliance and you should have no problem with it except if you're a war spreading hostile nation.Just don't invade other nations it's literally that simple.
>>541525372I dunno man. Maybe a 20MT nuke on London should answer this question better than I.
US pays for all of that, doesn't help me at all if fucking Latvia or whatever wants to defend the US. It's a joke is what it is.Plus NATO shills on the US Internet, that's shady as fuck. You know what I'm talking about OP...
>>541525700The world was honestly better when America was a world power. When you have a (good) guy at the tippy top of the food chain everyone else calms down. (except trump hes an orange nigger)
>>541525515every country under Nigger And Tranny Organisation's occupation is flooded with jeets
>>541525372Has NATO defended NATO countries from Islamist invasion and African savages sponsored by Jews
>>541526094Just admit that NATO is not a defense alliance. NATO wants expansion when it sees fit and claims any suggestion otherwise is Russian propaganda. NATO wants to lie and gaslight the world into believing it has no expansionist ambitions
>>541525372I don't care that NATO bombed us but they suck jewish cock 24/7 and it's annoying. So to answer your question, NATO should not exist because it sucks jewish cock.
>>541525939>Previously agreed upon That never happened only in the shizoid mind of ziggers.
>>541526102Don’t attempt genocide and lie to the country that has more nukes and more missiles than America ?
>>541525372Optimus Prime just died....F
>>541526181Russia is flooded by jeets tooIt's a global pandemic and nobody came with a vax to stop the spread
>>541526263The small nations should have never been allowed any participation in NATO general command.
>>541525939>Why are you expanding into previously agreed upon buffer zonesGee I wonder why the "buffer zones" want to join it.
>>541526170The USA are total leeches, small Germany pays more for NATO than the USA.
>>541526263>Russia wants to lie and gaslight the world into believing it has no expansionist ambitions
>>541526309You are presenting the pro-NATO revision of the claimed purpose of NATO. Just admit NATO is not a defense alliance. You want NATO expansion and with that comes a cost in the form of war
>>541525518Americans do it for us, we're bestie
>>541526431Wow I'm really sorry Hans, you should kick us out.
>>541526538Already working on it.USA is weak and can't even handle shithole Iran we don't need you to pull us down.
It's a ponzi scheme.An attempt by kikes to take the NWO "global police" job from mutts (since they're losing control over america and their NWO attack dog is dying) and dump it on our shoulders.
>>541525372Absolutely nothing. NATO expands around and finds out those countries invaded.
>>541526538>usyour not in it zigger.
>>541525372>If countries willingly want to join, what is bad about it?It doesn't work like this in modern world.In Ukraine most of population in 2013 lived in East and South (pro-russian areas), with only a third population being pro-western.What happened next - staged protests and American top officials in Kiev, what means Ukrainian security forces are already gave ready for coup. Protests give an image of pro-western Ukraine oppressed by russian puppet, many of protesters got shot in false-flag operation. All of it was used as cause to ban russian influence in a country.Not everything went according to a plan, putin took crimea and launched separatism on east but the goal was partly achieved, now government could ban everything related to russia despite majority of population being sympathetic.
>>541525372What if Ireland decides to join a military alliance with Russia? Put some military installations there? Probably fine right? They willingly joined, nothing bad about that.
>>541526664You mean like orban?
>>541525372Also if NATO increases more and more it has more chances to collapse.I mean even now Portuguese couldn't care less about estonians. What will be if u take Kazakhstan for example, kazakhs don't give a fuck about westoids
>>541526652>NATO countries invaded 0>Current non NATO euro countries invaded by ziggers 1Seems like NATO works as intended
>>541526664>What if Ireland decides to join a military alliance with Russiaasks the question without asking himself why they haven't yet
>>541526664Russia should start supporting united Ireland. Absolutely nothing wrong about it. The British empire expanded to their island illegally and unprovokedly.
>>541526432NATO claims to be the defense alliance as it expands. Just admit NATO is not a defense alliance. This is what breaks you on this issue
>>541526123lmao he couldn't help himself but laugh at the goys they're slaughteringdo people still remember when the war started? 3 days earlier they started wheeling all the jews to safety to israel and USA and europ
>>541526664What if Russia supported a pro-Russian coup in Ireland, then started attacking all the Protestants in Ireland and forcing them to become Catholic, banned their churches, and started shelling Northern Ireland? Then later used Ireland as a launching pad to attack the UK... How would the UK respond?
>>541526791NATO invaded shitload of countries including european
>>541526259>Has NATO defended NATO countries from Islamist invasion and African savages sponsored by JewsAsking the real questions here.The thing is, these threads concerning nato are filled with shitskins and kikes, and your question is not something they want to answer :D
>>541525372Okay, so look at what the US just did to Iran with NATO help, and tell me how that's not relevant.
>>541525372Not all of us want to be arrested for thought crimes by an unelected bureaucracy because we don't like the caste system importees raping our children you pathetic cowardly half human piece of cattle
>>541526664They're free to do that but no one ever became willingly an ally of Russia, Russia always invades and makes vassals forcefully.
>>541526825>This is what breaks you on this issuelets break down what you just wrote>nato claims to be a defence allianceyes>as it expandspeople join it yes also a fact>just admit nato is not a defence allianceit isWhere am i broken on the issue? God ziggers are getting more and more retarded by the day.
>>541525507Our election was openly stolen in 2020 and a huge percentage of days and secretaries of state and even judges are on the sorts payroll but Russia is the corrupt state? People like you are so fucking dumb I am amazed you can even operate your client software
>>541527020>t. Rudy Guiliani
>>541525372>overthrow governments>install pro nato politicians>this is countries willingly joining natoNATO has always been about the US projecting influence and opposing influence from their enemies. It has little to do with actual mutual defence for the benefit of the various nations. Neutrality is almost always a better option if nations are willing to settle things diplomatically. Sweden, Finland, Austria and Switzerland proved that. The supposed threat of Russia is almost entirely manufactured. NATO and the US already won the cold war, but boomers in the intelligence agencies wanted to keep being relevant. You will see that this was a major blunder because it has pushed Russia into an unlikely alliance with China, and China has become a much greater threat to US influence world wide. Nobody in 1991 seemed to understand that China would become something other than another east asian backwater. There is a timeline where Russia is closely alligned with the west against the rise of China, but unfortunately we're not in that one.
>>541525554What country would invade us, that's more powerful? France? Just hit them with conditioned air and they WILL melt like the witch in the wizard of oz.
>>541526039The irony that you just described the EU and israel is lost on you because you are basically retarded
>>541526846Only NATO mission was against Yugoslavia and that was to stop a genocide the serbs were doing.USA doing lots of invasions on their own has nothing to do with NATO just like now then Iran war has nothing to do with NATO.
>>541526881Because ultimately, that is the actual, real threat we are facing right now.Jews destroying our countries from the inside with shitskin bioweapons.But these NATO threads want to ignore this question completely because like said, kikes and shitskinsBecause it break their brain when they think that USA/EU/NATO are pro-kike pro-shitskin anti-white, then Russia is also pro-kike pro-shitskin anti-whiteIts as if there were no actual option and the only real opposition died in WWII, but this is something the russkikes of course will never admit, because they still pretend they were the good guysAmericans some are breaking through the brainwashing and realizing what Patton did that the jews are the real enemyBut russians they are so brainwashed - they will never admit that
>>541525372>What is actually wrong with 'NATO expansion'?Russia is unable to form their own military alliance so they get jealous and butt-hurt.
First and foremost of all that is a swastika and is run by the same people. If you want proof. They started it with people obtained through "project paperclip" hence how you can see their "calling card" if you will in the insignia. Second is this man's father, this man whose father was head of death camps, runs the w.e.f and all your leaders and all your governments and all future governments through the young global leaders system. Don't like it? That's how it is. It just is.
>>541526652The west and Israel first couping and then looting Ukraine is the biggest current hypocrisy of our lifetimes
>>541527180They have poor people NATO named CSTO and Russia successfully betrayed all allies in it LMAO
>>541527141>Only NATO mission was against Yugoslavia and that was to stop a genocide the serbs were doing.Actually that was to let the shitskin kosovans who were brought in by ottoman invaders to stayIt was 100% a jewish operation so muslims could keep a foothold in Europe called kosovoSerbs were doing the right thing they were trying to repel invaders, it was essentially a Reconquista of the modern agePutting a stop to that was wrong entirelyIslam and ottoman spawn don't belong in europeIf anything there should be an operation against Turkey to get them the fuck out of cyprus and anatoliaBut turkey is also in NATO because the shitskins control the boshporus strait, which should be in white christian controlThats also the difference between post-jew bolshevik russia and imperial russia, the imperial one wasn't always bad it actually helped europe to kick shitskin assBut of course post-jew post-1917 russia is just a jewish plaything, pro muslim anti white
>>541525372It makes invading nato members a lot more risky and difficult
>>541527288But yeah again in these threads neither of the shills can be honest because russia is ALSO pro muslim pro jewish, as is NATONeither is actually on our side, and the shills can't compute that, so they basically ignore that whole angle and start pushing something else
Also if any of you think you're wise and get the idea you can escape the system through so called crypto. Schwab's son runs all of it. Every last bit of it. So that is not an option whatsoever and it wasn't, ever since it's beginnings.
>>541526094You don't understand, every single country on earth deserves its inviolable 2000 km buffer zone.
>>541527394>>>/x/schizo indians congregate there
This is nato. This is the future for everyone, wanted "gone".
>>541525515Yeah and the eu is just an economic zone
>>541525372They should let Russia join it. That would make everyone in NATO even safer
>>541525372Read up on what caused WW1
>>541527288Balkanmonkeys are all the same and for sure all mudslimes should be killed it but that's not how it works. Serbia did a genocide and NATO stopped it.
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>>541527512went from schizo posting to zigger posting pretty quickly there bud. Perfect example of people who support Russia.
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>>541525372> If countries willingly want to joinThat’s an interesting way of characterizing the fact that globohomo coup’d the legitimately elected government of Ukraine precisely so the Ukrainian people would have no choice and they could be sacrificed.Some >defensive alliance U got there bud
>>541527644>u must supprt globohomo jews who hate you and the west No. Fuck off
>>541527541I cba to google what that adelhajd claims to have discovered but the problem of Balkans is that ottomans fucked their gene pool overIts why there are no alexander the greats and no greek high civilization because the shitskins came and raped it allIts a horrible fate but that is what happened, and there is no fixing that. You cant fix ethnic damage which is actually what jews are now trying to inflict to entire europeLike if you as white mate with some 50IQ mudslime shitskin thats it, 1000s of years of evolution is gone and your bloodline is done
>>541527644Who runs Russia's finances and system then? You are a complete imbecile. Wish you the worst, and judging by your flag and the vids of dancing underage girls for recruitment in your country, you're going to get it too. Well deserved too for being sofa king stupid. Well earned. Boisterous bunch of know nothing kidfucking scum. Just like your intelligence agency and it's head and your fucking sorry excuse for a so called "country", which it is in fact isn't. See you in hell.
>>541527804>.t mcdonalds worker lmao>>541527937>>>/x/
NATO using gas? Seen some suspicious vids..... We all have. Also seen lots of war crimes too. Doesn't matter though. Does it. Neither does Nuremberg which was also a lie neither human rights.
>>541526431>the U.S. is the parasite in natoRemarkable how all you have is “no u” from 15yrs ago
>>541527804The amazing thing is how Russian propaganda has convinced you that Russia isn't part of globohomo.
>>541527833Slavshits infesting the Balkans ruined it too just look at Macedonia oh sorry north Macedonia, dirty slavshits infesting the land where once Alexander come from and ever since it's a poor shitty area filled with crime and subhumanism, the Greeks should reclaim all these lands and kick dirty slavs out of Greece too.Make Greece great again.
>>541526649>yourESL shitskin
>>541526938It is amazing how all you have is pilpul yet you keep doubling down
>>541528071Yes your wars for Israel hurt Europe very much and helped no one besides Israel.
>>541525372They did not let Russia in...hahahaha.
Schneerson's a hero! Right binman? See you and your wife on the front! You're all the same. Kids too. They train them too, then "they" are "enemy combatants. Want to see that vid also?
>>541525372It's an economic framework more than a defensive pact, it allows for the undermining of national sovereignty through economics and culture pollution via immigration initiatives. If that isn't world government, then what is it? When nations agree to reciprocal application of their laws and policies outside of of their nations, they are more or less a global government, appropriations with citizen taxes included. The ICC might be being rejected by some nations but all that means is some corruption is allowed by default.
>>541528118>us>is actually Russian not AmericanLiterally ESL shit skin kek
>>541528110Newsflash Ahmed, Greece isn't paradise either. Poland literally has a higher GDP per capita and I'm not talking Poor People Points, retard
makes russians seethe because they cant do their wars so easilybarbaric people everything is as it should be
>>541525372If you do not border the North Atlantic then you have no business being in NATO. Simple as.
>>541525372Its a money pit. This money pit has allowed jews across the West to divert trillions of goybux to shadowy interconnected scams operating under the pretext of "world peace".And a good amount of that money gets rerouted to fund color revolutions and mass migration to the very same countries that are being fleeced by NATO.
>>541525372look at ukraine for an answer
You wot mate.
>>541528428You're just leeching from the German economy exactly like USA and Mexico.Greece has even poorer neighbors so there's no one they could leech from.
>>541528620shouldn't have completely ruined us in two world wars, fuckhead :^) maybe I'd understand this point if the yurobux were mismanaged and stolen
>>541525939>into territories that act as buffer zonesIts called sovereign nations and they're not there as a buffer zone for the benefit of Russia.Imagime how brain damaged you have to be to believe that
Tuck tail is right.See you there on the front lines glowies. Who do you work for and towards what exactly?Exactly! See you there. See you in hell. Just like you want. Just like you work towards. You want it and it's coming by your ownefforts and thine own hand. Bravo!
>>541528913The average yank conservative has completely given up on all ideals and morals. They follow in their daddy's footsteps
>>541525939nato never launched a war on its own except small meaningless things like libya or what not that even russia signed off on.russia isn't actually afraid of being attacked by nato which is proven by the fact that finland entering was unproblematic for them.there was never any agreement about nato not expanding east.
>>541525372No sovereign power tolerates nukes near their borders.The US didn't in 1962 in Cuba and Russia didn't 2022 in Ukraine.
>>541528794Poland didn't existed in WWI and in WWII it didn't existed after 30 days too.Being under German rule gave poles a civilisation and culture with good living standards but it's still nonstop butthurt from you guys.
>>541529198>ukraine has nukesI know you russniggers are retarded, but this is a new low
>>541529198>zigger>nietschewhat a fag
>>541529198Then Russia shouldn't have planted nukes in Kaliningrad, right in the heart of Europe.And they're pointed at you. And here you are, defending Russia on a basketweaving Mongolian forum, for free.
>>541529126NATO's war against Yugoslavia 1999 was an unlawful war of aggression.There was no mandate of the UN Security Council for it. We did it anyway.What are we accusing Russia of doing in Ukraine?
>>541529277>Poland didn't existed in WWIThe land just went poof off the face of the earth?>and in WWII it didn't existed after 30 days tooSo you came in and decided to destroy Poland again>Being under German rule gave poles a civilisation and cultureOf course, people loved it so much they kept rebelling and cockroaches used to be called "Prussians">but it's still nonstop butthurt from you guys.No, you're just an AfD liar
>>541525372The only thing wrong with it is operation unthinkable didn't happen in 46Russians are butthurt faggots
>>541529443Jews signed for the war in YugoslaviaJews signed for the war in UkraineThat's what countsthe opposition died in 1945It will never change if the people are not ready to wipe the jewry outAnd it doesnt currently look like it, in fact majority of the people are brainwashed to think that the nazis were the bad guys
>>541529443There was a resolution but indeed the air striked went beyond the resolution.They did because mah genocide had to stop.Basically Serbs were getting in a killing frenzy and sometimes you can't get a resolution when one of the security council members is Russia and will block it.UN is just useless in these situations.
>>541525372More countries = more problems
>>541525939>country x: I agree>NATO: I agree>russia: I DON'T
>>541525515>defensive pactkek
Shot will clean things up "somewhat" but the all the "right people at the top" didn't get it. Biggest fuckover ever! Fuck!
>>541529302Just two weeks before Russia's invasion Zelensky announced at the Munich Security Conference that Ukraine seeks nuclear rearmament. Is Russia supposed to wait until Ukraine has them deployed? Amerika didn't wait in 1962.>>541529403> And they're pointed at youBut we are not a sovereign power.And I haven't heard any official complaints from Goymoney's government or any other NATO member government about Russian nukes in Königsberg.
>>541525515Who voted her in though? Who decided a tyrant should be dictator of the EU if we have no government?
>>541529778>Just two weeks before Russia's invasion Zelensky announced at the Munich Security Conference that Ukraine seeks nuclear rearmament.At this point it's obvious that you're on the millions of russians who hate gayrope, but can't imagine living in russiahttps://securityconference.org/en/publications/books/selected-key-speeches-volume-i/2020-2024/speech-volodymyr-zelenskyy-2022/Go ahead, point out the part where he says he wants nuclear weapons
>>541529778news about russian invasion were circulating in nov 2021
You think that brit bastard here will answer truthfully whether he took the shot? I'll bet he's one of those that never tell the truth types. A worthless waste of existence. Like his empty headed brothers that march in lockstep with him. Fools the lot of 'em. Ne'er forgotten my ass.
>>541529538We created a precedence and Russia can refer to it.
>>541529454And even more butthurt
>>541526263Its a coalition which nations can choose to join. In what way is that expanist. Maybe if you ziggers stop raping young boys all the time more nations would be willing to cooperate with russia. But the only nations that willingly want to ally with russia are 80 sub iq sand nigger shitholes. Dont you think that says something?
>>541525372>Just let people enjoy thingsNope. Take your pride parades back to america.
>>541529989>no refutals
>>541529894She is responsible for so much corruption and death and it's all documented. No one will prosecute! It will never happen because that is the entire global system. It is "above". Guess who she works for? They all do. Blatantly!
>>541526652This whole post is zigger propaganda.
>>541530104Just a reminder
>what's wrong with US bases all over the world if puppet governments accepted the terms Are you retarded ?
>>541527520>Yeah and the eu is just an economic zoneno one thinks that and I dont even think the EU says that themselves or at least not since the 90sThe EU has a parliament and MEPs. NATO does not
>>541529443it was a minor thing anywayI have never cared about looking into this thing for even one minuteonly serbs are still butthurt about itlibya was signed off on, afghanistan was justified because 911, did we do anything else then? not that I can think of
>>541526842Maybe if you stop anally raping young boys all the time then Ireland would be willing to work with you. But i guess the IRA rather have intact buttholes. Sorry dude...
>>541525372Because NATO has only 3 objectives.>keep germans down>keep russians out>keep americans in
>>541529914Rumors about Ukraine deploying nukes were also circulating before Zelensky's speech. This was considered a given if Ukraine ever joined NATO. Who would seriously doubt this?
>>541525515>defensive pactDidn't Trump call the entirety of NATO to arms for the sake of the war of US aggression against Iran? Not very defensive, if you ask me.
it's another arm of jewish globalism you tool
>>541530252>https://securityconference.org/en/publications/books/selected-key-speeches-volume-i/2020-2024/speech-volodymyr-zelenskyy-2022/>Go ahead, point out the part where he says he wants nuclear weaponsyou failed, ivan, and nobody will believe you
>>541529778>And I haven't heard any official complaints from Goymoney's government or any other NATO member government about Russian nukes in Königsberg.Because only Russia uses this constant whining about other countries that could only intend to install nukes pointed at them if they do as little as wanting to join the EU.But as usual they are crying wolf, knowing they were planning to be the wolf and invade. So they panic at the thought that some neighbouring country could become uninvadable.
>>541525372 Nothing and I’m perfectly fine with it after we remove the jew parasite from every western nation.
>>541530252they werent then but they are working on them nowhere is to hoping ukraine nukes moscow before christmas
>>541530206> afghanistan was justified because 911No Afghan was involved in 9/11.All alleged terrorists of 9/11 were Arabs.
>>541530473>No Afghan was involved in 9/11.this retard keeps going, I'm outta here, I'd rather watch cocomelon
>>541530196> The EU has a parliamentA pseudo parliament, a farce of a parliament.
>>541529911> Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.Now play dumb and claim this doesn't mean what it means.
>>541525372nobody asked us, if we wanted to join..russia will give us our independence back.. again. :)
>>541530527Wait wait wait. Are you saying there was an Afghan hijacker on 9/11? Which one?
>>541530597It was either that the EU parliament was weak or the national parliament was weak.One of them had to have the last word.Which one would you prefer?If the EU parl was stronger, then you'd whine about your own parliament being a farce.
Hey look it's that swastika looking thing the allies adopted. How odd
>>541531045>either that the EU parliament was weak or the national parliament was weak.Or both are weak and the EU commission is powerful.
>>541531027Someone fucked and killed your mom. He went into this house and is hiding there. The owner of the house didn't have anything to do with the fucking and killing of your mom tho but he is known for providing shelter for mom fuckers.
>>541531149Uh huh. So Afghanistan is guilty of not actively hunting down someone who was involved? It's not sufficient to be merely opposed to terrorism, one must be actively anti-terrorist?
>>541531149But israel wasn't attacked for doing 9/11 now was it?
>>541531145What do you think the EU commission is?The commissioners are appointed by national governments.And their competences are limited to certain areas. For example they have no say on a country's defence or citizenship decisions. They only have the powers that were delegated to them from each nation-member, because everyone agreed to this by treaty.People keep making it sound like someone put a gun to their head and they had to give their powers to Brussels. No, everyone did it because they wanted to and agreed to that to gain some benefits from that.
>>541531430Oh right, speaking of israel and hiding criminalsA good recent example how everything is so absolutely fucking jewed in both West and ex-USSR is what happened in November when Zelensky's inner circle was discovered embezzling hundreds of millions from the aid that was delivered to Ukraine.Well, I mean that is a huge fucking deal wouldn't the media talk about this for weeks? Nope, couple of articles were posted and then memoryholed.And hey, this would give ammunition to the Kreml I mean stealing aid money showing how the Ukraine government is corrupt, so Russia were just handed a major media win which would make the Western taxpayer support for Ukraine lower since its their tax money that is being stolen, so Russia Today is blasting this story everywhere and all the time, right?!Yeah, nope, neither want to touch the story because Zelensky's inner circle is jewish, all of the people involved in the corruption were jews and all the accused were tipped off and fled from prosecution to Israel.Even the Western medias that reported on it, left the reader with the impression that the scammers were caught because they somehow all failed to mention the part that they were jewish and escaped prosecution to Israel which will not extradite jews to face goyim prosecution. I mean that's quite a huge part of the story to "forget" to mention.At the same time while Russia is staying quiet about this jewish bombshell, US dropped the requirement of having the aid money audited in the peace plan because the breadcrumbs would all lead to jews and israeland all the russians, ukrainians, americans, europeans, are so mindbroken by propaganda they still cannot admit that the Nazis were the good guys all along
>>541525372Russia doesn't like itso 4chan seethes about itmeanwhile russia's actions caused the largest border increase in NATO since the end of the soviet union
>>541531467Nothing you said has any bearing on the point I was contesting, which is that it is either the EU parliament or the national parliaments which will be weak. They can both be weak in favor of the EU commission. Which is of course the case. Given that this was completely unambiguous in the context of what I said, you are clearly being both deliberately disingenuous and absolutely inept about it.
>>541531467>No, everyone did it because they wanted to and agreed to that to gain some benefits from that.Yeah indeed EU was created in 1993 and referendums were held in countries whether to join or not.Well you need to understand the situation in 1994 when the vote was held. Finland was a 99,9% whitopia and so was the whole of scandinavia, even sweden was still a beautiful country with no shitskin gang anywhere (although they did have their own non-EU mandated browning already going on that was created by local swedish jews).And there was no mass migration, every european country was actually european, and how the whole idea was sold that its going to be a Reich of European ethnostates which will ease movement of people and goods.What it was made to sound like is that its about business like the "movement of people" being truckers being able to move cargo businessman do trades without worrying about any trade wars and tariffs and customs.Essentially be a big boost for the economy.Nobody ever told anyone that EU is going to have the "values of Talmud" and that its going to be actually used as a weapon to force shitskins down every member states throats and that free movement means that shitskins can move freely to any country they like and infest every corner of the continent
>>541531647It's not that simple.The EU Comm doesn't simply get to make laws on its own.It has to reach an agreement with the EU Council.And guess who goes to EU Council meetings to reach a decision? Representatives of national governments. It's co-decision.That's what happened during that migration crisis in 2015. The majority of westoid 'librul' states won the decision and they imposed it on Eastern Euro states who refused to take any muzzos. But when the issue was debated in national politics everyone only noticed it was Brussels who imposed it. And their local politicians kept mum about the fact that they participated in those decisions and they were the ones responsible for them. The EU was just a useful scapegoat for them.
>>541531776>Nobody ever told anyone that EU is going to have the "values of Talmud" and that its going to be actually used as a weapon to force shitskins down every member states throats and that free movement means that shitskins can move freely to any country they like and infest every corner of the continentThat;s just the boomer mentality of politicians who made those decisions. They think if locals aren't having kids, they need to import brownies so there will be someone to work and pay for their retirement.
Nato is basically american empire with nice fluffy window dressing. You scede your national sovereignty when you join because in times of war your military leadership literally has to follow orders of american generals.
>>541531973>It's not that simple.The specific point I'm making absolutely is absolutely that simple, and you keep trying to dodge it. The EU commission is the primary seat of power in the EU, and the parliaments, both national and EU, are weak. The fact that you keep trying to weasel out of admitting that fact is further evidence of your dishonesty. I don't know what you are trying to push, I haven't gone back through the thread to check, but I know you're a lying rat who is definitely up to no good. If anyone is following along and is unsure about which side of the argument is correct, it's definitely not yours. The other side may not be completely right, but you've been discredited by your own filthy tricks.
>>541532295That's by design, because the commission is the executive power. Without this, no actual policy would get done.And they didn't allow the EU parliament to be stronger because that would mean national politicians would lose their power over the EU.And the highest level of power and decision in the EU is not the commision, it's the council of heads of states, you know, those summits where they all meet to decide on future strategy and stuff.
>>541532208>with nice fluffy window dressing.And bureaucracy, don't forget all the bureaucracy! Also the nice fluffy window dressing is actually the cheap stuff bought at a discount store because after extensive trials they determined this was the optimal window dressing by virtue of massive lobbying by Raytheon, but you're still paying for the nice stuff with a 5000% markup.>You scede your national sovereignty when you join because in times of war your military leadership literally has to follow orders of american generals.Oh come now, they technically don't *have* to, they can choose not to and have their lives and careers ruined even if they aren't thrown in prison. That's Freedom™.>>541532656>That's by design, because the commission is the executive power.So do you admit I was right and you were wrong to disagree with me?>Without this, no actual policy would get done.That sounds like a massive improvement over the current state of affairs.>the highest level of power and decision in the EU is not the commision, it's the council of heads of statesnominally not practically, just like the executive is *nominally* the weakest branch of the US government.
>>541532295And no the EU commission is not simply more powerful than national parliaments, they are not competing over the same kind of power.National parliaments don't have competence to do EU-wide policy. For example they decide the country's budget, on which the EU commission has no say. They're on different lanes, mate.
>>541532854>they are not competing over the same kind of power.Yes they are. They are competing to wield aggressive violence.
>>541525372What is actually wrong with 'Communism Expansion? If countries willingly want to join, what is bad about it?
>>541532941Nobody in Europe 'joined communism' out of their own will.It was imposed on them by Russian tanks at the end of WW2.It was part of the deal between Stalin and Churchill, who supposedly saved Europe lmao
>>541532941communism expanded on pidor bayonets to join NATO a country has to apply and meet terms and conditionsit's not easy to join either
>>541533024>Nobody in Europe 'joined communism' out of their own will.Nobody in Europe 'joined democracy' of their own will.>It was imposed on them by Russian tanks at the end of WW2.It was imposed on them by American stormtroopers at the end of WW1.>It was part of the deal between Stalin and Churchill, who supposedly saved Europe lmaoIt was part of the deal between Lenin and Wilson, who supposedly saved Europe lmao
>>541525372If anyone could join it wouldn't make sense as a military alliance. Military alliances are created to oppose common enemy. NATO's existence implies there is an enemy, even if not directly pointed out.By joining a military alliance against "implied enemy", you are claiming proactive opposition.In this particular case, they might as well call themselves "Against Russia Alliance".
>>541525372>"We made a military alliance guys, but we won't tell against whom! Could be ANYONE!"
>>541533323>If anyone could join it wouldn't make sense as a military alliance.You're not really an ancap are you? If you read Hoppe's "The Private Production of Defense" it obviously implies that alliances between private defense agencies are entirely sensible in the same way insurance and reinsurance are. This is in no way to be construed to imply that NATO is not anti-russian nor that NATO is justifiable at all, merely that a libertarian social order does not need to engage in aggression in order for military alliances to exist.
>>541530196It was supposed to be. It was when we joined. The burgers point is that globalist orgs can quickly mutate into something you didn't sign up for.
>>541533791>It was when we joined.It was not. There were many policy papers which were available even at the time which made it clear that the purpose was always to be an extension of the American Empire.
>>541533149historical illiteracy award
>>541533913So do you think Wilson joined WWI for reasons other than to spread democracy at gunpoint? Ol' Woody just did it because he loved European civilization right?
>>541530196Not publicly or officially, yeah
>>541525372Well, we can probably wait to see what the Western reaction would be if China or Russia wanted to build military bases in Mexico or Ireland.
>>541534018>we can probably wait to see what the Western reaction would be if China or Russia wanted to build military bases in Mexico or Ireland.There wouldn't be a public reaction. There would be a nuclear reaction which would preclude public discourse.
I don't want to be enslaved to the Judeo-amerimutt Epstein Empire
>>541526309People agreed to leave Ukraine alone as a buffer, neutral state decades ago. Then NATO tried to expand, Russia got mad, and everyone acts like they're just irrational lol when in reality there are no good actors on the world stage. No irrational ones, either If Russia or China tried to build strong military ties with Canada or Mexico, what do you think America would do?
>>541533865No, retard.
>>541534107>People agreed to leave Ukraine alone as a buffer, neutral state decades agonever happened>no good actors on the world stage. No irrational ones, eitheridiot moron take. you watch "geopolitics pro" vids along with indian teenagers and feel clever and cynical for it.>>541533978I think the kraut chimped out too bad and had to be put in his place and that european nations democritized through their own internal processes overwhelmingly, as can be seen from the fact that there were plenty of democracies or half-democracies in europe before ww1
>>541534140Fuuck, lemme dredge 'em up, I'll have to find them again. The think tanks in Washington were totally clear that the EU was supposed to be basically an economic NATO. I get why you're skeptical, they didn't say any of this in the media, but it wasn't classified, it just wasn't discussed in the mainstream media.>>541534455>I think the kraut chimped out too bad and had to be put in his placeit was a fairly standard European scuffle until the US decided to put its massive economic and industrial thumb on the scale. There are some pretty interesting revisionist histories of WWI now which make a very big deal out of Wilson's hatred of monarchy and his desire to spread democracy, and the role that the US played in WWI even before becoming officially involved. In fact the only reason the US became officially involved was because the Tsarists were replaced by the communists, turning the fight into a pure fight between monarchy and democracy in Wilson's mind.
>>541534697none of that is true, you don't know the first thing about history.
>>541534818I just checked through your posts in this thread to see if you were just a schizo, and hooooly shit. Wow. Your whole point is explicitly "NATO is a defensive alliance because the times it attacked other countries aggressively don't matter". That's the most half assed excuse I've ever seen. You're just going to apply the standard of "anything that contradicts my claims isn't important" to anything I say, so fuck you. I'm not going to waste my time with someone who hasn't just demonstrated that he's dishonest, but proudly proclaimed that he is.
>>541525515Why did defensive pact attack Yugoslavia?
>>541533323nato was on its deathbed until monke decided to chimp out in 2022 now its all revitalizedthanks for reminding us what subhumans we have to deal with
>>541535891>nato was on its deathbed until monke decided to chimp out in 2022 now its all revitalizedSo does a policy being implemented imply that it is a good policy? If that it the case, wouldn't the majority of all policies by all government be justified? There must be some limiting principle here right?
Stage: bargaining
>>541536084yep
>>541536084We're ping ponging between anger and bargaining. Any time bargaining doesn't lead to Russian surrender our governments return to anger. Can you please send a letter to Putin informing him that Mr. Oreshnik should be sent to negotiate directly with all "western" politicians in range?
>>541525372What's actually wrong with countries being commie or having nukes if they want to ? World is unfair.
>>541536022everybody wants natonot ziggers of course for obvious reason but fuck them
>>541536475>everybody wants natoI do not want NATO>not ziggers of course for obvious reason but fuck themPutin asked to join NATO, Bush laughed awkwardly. Then Beslan happened, Bush told Putin to chill out and not overreact while he was in the middle of invading a totally unrelated country out of sheer excess rage (ostensibly, the real reasons were even more unethical) about a similar terrorist attack by the same enemy.
>>541532208>american generals
>>541536892to join nato you have to have approval of all member statesguess what half of europe hates russia because well - they are scumthere was never any point to even ask
>>541530255>Didn't Trump call the entirety of NATO to arms for the sake of the war of US aggression against Iran? Not very defensive, if you ask me.and NATO countries said no. keep in mind that trump does not control NATO and is not president of NATO
>>541536084So you can't answer the question
>>541537140>to join nato you have to have approval of all member statesThen how the FUCK did Poland get in?>guess what half of europe hatesAmerica? Wait, that's way more than half, uhhh... Whisky?>russiawait that's what you go with for what half of Europe hates? Because outside of the political classes I'd say maybe 2% of Europe has strong feelings about Russia one way or another.>there was never any point to even askTrue, Putin is a naive idealist.
